Budapest Memorandum.

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In 1994, Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons in exchange for receiving assurance from the US of help if their sovereignty or territory were ever threatened. Beyond being a playground bully, trump is defaulting on a treaty we made with them. The US should honor our treaties
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In 1994, Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons in exchange for receiving assurance from the US of help if their sovereignty or territory were ever threatened. Beyond being a playground bully, trump is defaulting on a treaty we made with them. The US should honor our treaties
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All deals with Ukraine are null and void because they overthrew their government in 2014.

Since then it’s been in a state of civil war with its own people, the ethnic Russians. Which in turn caused Russia to get involved, especially when Biden said Ukraine would be welcomed into NATO someday. These are fighting words for Russia and they took that seriously, so they invaded.

Now you want to give Ukraine nuclear weapons? You people are nuts.
 
All deals with Ukraine are null and void because they overthrew their government in 2014.

Since then it’s been in a state of civil war with its own people, the ethnic Russians. Which in turn caused Russia to get involved, especially when Biden said Ukraine would be welcomed into NATO someday. These are fighting words for Russia and they took that seriously, so they invaded.

Now you want to give Ukraine nuclear weapons? You people are nuts.
The countries promised not to interfere in Ukraine's internal affairs. Their affaires are theirs, and none of our business. Certainly not grounds to ignore our agreement.
 
The countries promised not to interfere in Ukraine's internal affairs. Their affaires are theirs, and none of our business. Certainly not grounds to ignore our agreement.

And Russia ignored this the day Putin entered office.
 
The countries promised not to interfere in Ukraine's internal affairs. Their affaires are theirs, and none of our business. Certainly not grounds to ignore our agreement.
Really? With American and European politicians supporting illegal and anti-Constitutional coup? This was a hell of interference.
 
And Russia ignored this the day Putin entered office.
Actually, Putin entered office exactly because Clinton commited illegal and unprovoked aggresion against Serbia, ignoring mutual Russia-US treaties.
 
Actually, Putin entered office exactly because Clinton commited illegal and unprovoked aggresion against Serbia, ignoring mutual Russia-US treaties.

No, you're just making stuff up.

Putin because a politician because he left the KGB and had contracts. He got given appointments, he got made Prime Minister, then Yeltsin resigned and Putin took over.

Putin was leader of the country in March 2000 when there were elections, the first Putin took part in.

In 1999 there were quite a few bombings by Chechens and Putin used this to make himself look like a strong man. Without them, he probably wouldn't have got very far in politics. But even that was a lot considering he literally didn't campaign and his manifesto was so vague nobody could actually attack him for anything. Putin had quite a bit of the media behind him, and they posted a positive message for him and attacked others.

Absolutely nothing to do with Serbia.
 
No, you're just making stuff up.

Putin because a politician because he left the KGB and had contracts. He got given appointments, he got made Prime Minister, then Yeltsin resigned and Putin took over.

Putin was leader of the country in March 2000 when there were elections, the first Putin took part in.

In 1999 there were quite a few bombings by Chechens and Putin used this to make himself look like a strong man. Without them, he probably wouldn't have got very far in politics. But even that was a lot considering he literally didn't campaign and his manifesto was so vague nobody could actually attack him for anything. Putin had quite a bit of the media behind him, and they posted a positive message for him and attacked others.

Absolutely nothing to do with Serbia.
It's more than just oversimplification. There were a lot of political discussions among Russians (especially among Russian decision-makers), what do they want, how they want to achieve it, who exactly fits that job, etc... Those discussion are usually less public than in America, but often gave wider spectrum of political choices. Before 1999, political candidates for becoming Eltsin's heir were mostly pro-Western liberals (like Stepashin, Kirienko, Hakamada). Ideas of cooperation with America were mainstream there and anti-American ideas were mostly part of political minorities - loud, but not really influencial.
1999 changed almost everything. Russian decision-makers made their choices, and the mainstream changed on "Appeasement doesn't work. We should stop them. Let's start confrontation with West". And the man fit this position was found. It was Putin. Further NATO expansion, as well as illegal and unprovoked aggression against Iraq proved that this opinion was correct.
 
It's more than just oversimplification. There were a lot of political discussions among Russians (especially among Russian decision-makers), what do they want, how they want to achieve it, who exactly fits that job, etc... Those discussion are usually less public than in America, but often gave wider spectrum of political choices. Before 1999, political candidates for becoming Eltsin's heir were mostly pro-Western liberals (like Stepashin, Kirienko, Hakamada). Ideas of cooperation with America were mainstream there and anti-American ideas were mostly part of political minorities - loud, but not really influencial.
1999 changed almost everything. Russian decision-makers made their choices, and the mainstream changed on "Appeasement doesn't work. We should stop them. Let's start confrontation with West". And the man fit this position was found. It was Putin. Further NATO expansion, as well as illegal and unprovoked aggression against Iraq proved that this opinion was correct.

You managed to write nothing and make that nothing quite long. Well done.
 
The countries promised not to interfere in Ukraine's internal affairs. Their affaires are theirs, and none of our business. Certainly not grounds to ignore our agreement.
Tell that to Victoria Nuland and John Kerry who went to Ukraine in 2014 to tell them who they were allowed to run in their elections. Remember Nuland’s phone call, “Fuck the EU”?

So much for not interfering in their internal affairs.
 
Tell that to Victoria Nuland and John Kerry who went to Ukraine in 2014 to tell them who they were allowed to run in their elections. Remember Nuland’s phone call, “Fuck the EU”?

So much for not interfering in their internal affairs.
Kerry was greatly supportive of Ukraine in 2014. Quit repeating Russian propaganda.
 
Those who claim Russia violated the Budapest Memorandum never tell you that it wasn't a legally binding treaty. Good thread on the topic of Soviet nukes hosted by Ukraine.
 

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