Brown v. Board: Anti-American

[William Joyce]

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/2004b/41004roperbrown.htm

 

[Hobbit]

I refuse to give any credit to an article written for a web site whose slogan is "No Jews. Just right." It's just some anti-jew page that will spin any statistics it can find to make a point. The article points out that educational standards have dropped over the past 50 years, but they refuse to acknowledge other possible reasons for this. First off, the elimination of special education and repeating grades has forced people who are not intelligent enough to be in a certain grade to be compared to others of that same grade. Also, standardized test scores are lower because now, more people are taking these tests because they realize that they need to get into college to get a decent job, which is why it's fortunate for them that more colleges means lower standards.

Here's another conclustion I can draw using the same logic. Ever since the 1954 Brown vs. Board decision, more and more people have been going to college every year. Therefore, I attribute desegregation to the increase in popularity of higher education.

 

[William Joyce]

The fact that "more and more go to college" is proof of nothing. College is just dumbed down, that's all. Once upon a time, you could get a better education in an American public high school than you could today in an American private colllege. That's a fact. But multiracialism has meant a lowering of standards for everyone. To make it look like blacks are smart, we have to drag whites down. How is that "justice"?

Today, public schools are war zones with metal detectors and "gangstas" roaming the halls. This is what Brown has given us.

 

[insein]

thats his point if you missed it. You can make statistics say anything.

 

[UhihaJax]

You can make statistics mean anything if you hide some of them.
You can tell a lot by statistics and you can get some hard facts which is better than speculation, but you need all of them for a correct projection.

jax

 

[Hobbit]

Yeah, I really hate the misuse of statistics. I learned in science fair that you must first eliminate or account for all outside variables before you can draw a conclusion. Sure, you can say that you've discovered that giving someone a regular dose of crack causes them to live longer and give statistics to back it up...that is, as long as you omit the fact that you never fed your control group.

The one I hate the most, I hear all the time from people I usually agree with, preachers. The quote is, "Half of all marriages end in divorce in the first year." That's a fallacy. It's not a lie, since I'm sure they believe it, but they need to research the source. The actual statistic shows that the number of divorces each year is equal to half the number of marriages. If the above quote was true, that would mean that all marriages that made it through the first year would never end in divorce.

 

[William Joyce]

In any event, we don't need statistics to tell us what happens when blacks are bused into the schools. They turn it into a violent, chaotic mess.

 

[Hobbit]

I can see where you draw that conclusion, but I, being one of those optimistic SoB's you hear about all the time, have hope that they'll learn from those who have risen above that and become good, respectable human beings. They could all take a lesson from the Colin Powells and Condoleeza Rices of our time.

 

[Said1]

Originally posted by Hobbit
I can see where you draw that conclusion, but I, being one of those optimistic SoB's you hear about all the time, have hope that they'll learn from those who have risen above that and become good, respectable human beings. They could all take a lesson from the Colin Powells and Condoleeza Rices of our time.

 

[William Joyce]

Douglas Wright of VNN has a different idea:

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/2004b/41104wrighttalkingpoints.htm

 

[Hobbit]

Well, that's because Douglas Wright is an ignorant bigot who writes for a publication that believes we'd all be better off if the Nazis won WWII.

 

[William Joyce]

I bet he's smarter than you.

 

[Hobbit]

Education does not make one smart. Education merely makes one informed. That being said, I'll take that bet.

 

[William Joyce]

Bet low.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by William Joyce
Bet low.

Not only will I bet high, but I will take him up on that bet as well. I would like to see where someone with such flawed logic, tunnel vision, no common sense, and 2 dimensional thinking can compare to ANYONE with reason.

William Joyce, can you prove the weight of his grey matter?

 

[Hobbit]

First off, the only arguements he refutes are the weak arguments made by crazy liberals who think all racists just need to see their side for a minute before the truth shines through and corrects their twisted minds. I, however, don't use these weak arguments, since they're weak.

Secondly, his refutations aren't much stronger than the arguments.

Thirdly, these are talking points. I hate talking points. They only encourage people to stop thinking for themselves.

 

[William Joyce]

NOW you're thinking!

Douglas Wright understands this, I imagine. But he wants to see his side do better, break in to the debate. Talking points can help in that effort.

I guaran-fuckin'-tee you the "anti-racists," colorblinders and friends aren't "thinking for themselves." They're just spitting out whatever the system tells them to. Racists need to get in the game.

 

[5stringJeff]

Speaking of Brown v. Board... hope you weren't planning on commemorating it, WJ!



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White Supremacists Banned From Dedication

TOPEKA, Kan. - White supremacist groups who plan to protest next month's dedication of the Brown vs. Board of Education National Historic Site will not be allowed on the property that day, the site superintendent said.

The dedication will be on May 17, the 50th anniversary of the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) ruling that declared racially segregated schools unconstitutional.

Site spokeswoman LaTonya Miller said the White Revolution, the White Knights and the Ku Klux Klan are expected to protest the dedication. Only the White Revolution has confirmed its plans.

Site superintendent Stephen E. Adams decided the protesters will not be allowed on the property for the dedication, Miller said. "That is the superintendent's call," she added.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm.../20040414/ap_on_re_us/brown_decision_protests

 

[William Joyce]

Well, you know what they say: if you can't meet your opponents on the issues, BAN THEM FROM THE PROPERTY. Do not allow them to speak. Do not allow protest, do not allow dissent. Do not allow anyone with a different point of view to express themselves. Simple as that. Then, you win!

See how easy it is to be a liberal?

 

[William Joyce]

Ha! I almost forgot. I guess these guys will get to see THEIR desire for segregation respected!