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In April of this year British Pathe films released hundreds of newsreels, much of which was raw footage that had never been published.

They are fascinating, the Palestinian social fabric is still intact for one thing:

Palm Sunday in Jerusalem, 1940:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W2wRhv6pzw

illegal immigration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNQxbL71H1A

1946:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYTmR83inHs

King David Hotel bombing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M6d45bHffE

Riots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TesMsFrL9E4

Martial law declared:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UsYpVJM_c0

Independence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzsc9LClwog

Palestine story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpo3dVp22Os

War in Palestine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P1GkO9R1k0

Battle of the Roads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghPrtlnraFw

with Arabs, nakba:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkgGf6EDbLc

The system will not allow me to give you a positive rep, so... :thup:
 
That's ludicrous. I have deliberately sought out films of non-Zionist Jews repeatedly, posted DOZENS, specifically so that you could finally find someone normal for a role model.

There are some nice shots of brand new Israelis dancing the hora. But you don't care, you just want to see if you can persuade others that I try to prove that "all Jews are evil." (Your words, not mine!)

So I take it my points about Zionism have hit home. Good!!

The comment about bandwidth I don't get.

NO: you have sought out 'anti-'Zionist speakers to maliciously and deceitfully portray their POV as though it is the 'normative' POV of Judaism. IT IS NOT NORMATIVE.

Self-determination means, among other things, that it's Jews who decide what is normative Judaism.

Unless you're willing to have non-Christians define what is/isn't 'normative Christianity' ? And non-Muslims decide what is/isn't 'normative Islam'?
 
you never made any points about Zionism ---or genetics----you have simply
demonstrated that you are an islamo Nazi --------the term islamo Nazi refers --
correctly to those people who espouse the ideology you espouse. It's roots
go back into antiquity-----but were actually codified by the person who could
logically be called the father of the ISLAMO NAZISM that you espouse---
interestingly it is CONSTANTINE emperor of the first REICH He was
not entirely the creator of the filth you espouse----in fact precursors of your
stinking filth are found in the code of Hummarabi. A very interesting
reality is that the actual aim of ABRAHAM included the creation of a
code of law REPUDIATING the stink and filth aspects of the Code of
Hummarabi. Just as you cannot grasp simple mendelian genetics---there
is no chance of your grasping the really meaning of the most sublime
book of the bible-----genesis

You are raving. You should really step back and take a look at yourself.

ALL my points have been about Zionism and Zionism only. I never so much as think about religion. And I particularly know nothing about Islam and have never spoken of it.

Constantine?? First reich? Hummarabi? Abraham? Mendel??
What in the FLIP are you going on about? I don't mean to flame you but I honestly can't make heads of tails of this, so it is impossible to respond.

I presented some sane sources and you launch an insane rant. If you want to read/watch my sources and discuss them that's fine. But that is not what you are doing.
 
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NO: you have sought out 'anti-'Zionist speakers to maliciously and deceitfully portray their POV as though it is the 'normative' POV of Judaism. IT IS NOT NORMATIVE.

I never said it was "normative." I did argue that it was not fringe. These anti-Zionist Jews are not small in number. They should be answered, so I gave you opportunity to do that.
Self-determination means, among other things, that it's Jews who decide what is normative Judaism.
But that doesn't mean that YOU get to determine who represents "normative Judaism" either. We do still get to hear all those other people, too, and consider what they are saying. And the Jews on this forum are not being well served by statements that unquestioningly equate Judaism and Zionism.
 
Its based on the fact that Z's stole their country, psycho.

Plus when you see an entire heavily populated and highly developed landscape it disproves the Z's thesis that Palestinians were just squatters. There aren't 'many different styles.' There is not "architecture from many different civilizations." There is one civilization ... Arab, with the thinnest veneer of Zionist laid over it. It looks very much like Beirut or Damascus of the same period.



How many more times do you need to be told about your RACIST INTOLERANCDE and INCITEMENT TO RELIGOUS HATRED. As well as being told time and time again that the Jews were INVITED TO PALESTINE BY THE LEGAL OWNERS. The arab muslims came illegally to steal the land. Under the Ottomans the land of Palestine was as devoid of arab muslims as the dark side of the moon. They could not get them to stay and be land owners they were that lazy. By the start of the 20c the arab muslims were migrating to Palestine illegally on the promise of free fertile land when the Jews had finished the hard work. By the way arab has never been a civilisation it has always been a thief in the night. So called Arabic architecture is a mix of Assyrian and Persian, so called arab food is a mixture of the surrounding countries and arab culture is what ever they could steal. They don't even have a religion that wasn't stolen from the Jews and Christians.


Now how about you step up to the mark and tell everyone in your own words what you mean when you call people Zionists. ( I believe that it is the new profanity used by the ISLAMONAZIS because they use their old one to give themselves credibility )

You cannot possibly believe this! No one could. The keys to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre have been in the same family for hundreds of years!! (a Muslim family, by the way...) People can easily trace their roots back. Someone is trying to feed you a lie, but at least it is an easily disproven lie.
 
Its based on the fact that Z's stole their country, psycho.

Plus when you see an entire heavily populated and highly developed landscape it disproves the Z's thesis that Palestinians were just squatters. There aren't 'many different styles.' There is not "architecture from many different civilizations." There is one civilization ... Arab, with the thinnest veneer of Zionist laid over it. It looks very much like Beirut or Damascus of the same period.



ROFLMAO "arab architecture" it continues to struggle to prove is ignorance. For those
who may not know----there is no "arab architecture" there is Egyptian architecture----
developed long before the rapist pig of Arabia was born and whilst arabs were living in tents.
There is greek architecture-----lots of which is taken from Egyptian models----and roman---
mostly from greek but with some development-------there is actually no real jewish architecture---
it is modeled on Egyptian and greek There is some INDIAN architecture-----but what some
idiots call "Islamic" is really greek/roman -----already emulated by jews whilst
arabs were "building" tents and living with their goats. Damascus was a city long before
the arabs left off living with their goats in tents. Its towers were emulations of the architecture
of Mesoopotamia and Egypt There are other architectures----Mayan, Chinese, Japanese---=
but 'arab architecture' is a tent There are islamicists in the world who actually
insist that the DOME was "invented" by muslims. The very first muslim I knew well and
who was educated was a surgeon from new dehli. He insisted that "MUSLIMS INVENTED
SHISH KEBAB" to be precise MOGHULS did it There is a Moghul "architecture" ---
a tent called a YURT ----but it does precede islam
 
NO: you have sought out 'anti-'Zionist speakers to maliciously and deceitfully portray their POV as though it is the 'normative' POV of Judaism. IT IS NOT NORMATIVE.

I never said it was "normative." I did argue that it was not fringe. These anti-Zionist Jews are not small in number. They should be answered, so I gave you opportunity to do that.
Self-determination means, among other things, that it's Jews who decide what is normative Judaism.
But that doesn't mean that YOU get to determine who represents "normative Judaism" either. We do still get to hear all those other people, too, and consider what they are saying. And the Jews on this forum are not being well served by statements that unquestioningly equate Judaism and Zionism.



Normative is what the MAJORITY are, not as you are trying to say the least of the minorities. What is normative for Palestinians at the moment, apart from starving themselves during the day and then overindulging all night. Is it to riot and violently murder others as is in the news all the time.
 
Its based on the fact that Z's stole their country, psycho.

Plus when you see an entire heavily populated and highly developed landscape it disproves the Z's thesis that Palestinians were just squatters. There aren't 'many different styles.' There is not "architecture from many different civilizations." There is one civilization ... Arab, with the thinnest veneer of Zionist laid over it. It looks very much like Beirut or Damascus of the same period.



How many more times do you need to be told about your RACIST INTOLERANCDE and INCITEMENT TO RELIGOUS HATRED. As well as being told time and time again that the Jews were INVITED TO PALESTINE BY THE LEGAL OWNERS. The arab muslims came illegally to steal the land. Under the Ottomans the land of Palestine was as devoid of arab muslims as the dark side of the moon. They could not get them to stay and be land owners they were that lazy. By the start of the 20c the arab muslims were migrating to Palestine illegally on the promise of free fertile land when the Jews had finished the hard work. By the way arab has never been a civilisation it has always been a thief in the night. So called Arabic architecture is a mix of Assyrian and Persian, so called arab food is a mixture of the surrounding countries and arab culture is what ever they could steal. They don't even have a religion that wasn't stolen from the Jews and Christians.


Now how about you step up to the mark and tell everyone in your own words what you mean when you call people Zionists. ( I believe that it is the new profanity used by the ISLAMONAZIS because they use their old one to give themselves credibility )

You cannot possibly believe this! No one could. The keys to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre have been in the same family for hundreds of years!! (a Muslim family, by the way...) People can easily trace their roots back. Someone is trying to feed you a lie, but at least it is an easily disproven lie.




One family that no doubt stole the property back then does not prove that 8 million arab muslims have lived there for millennia. How about the Jewish family that has farmed the same piece of land for 4 times longer than islam has been in existence. You are now clutching at straws to prove your point and failing because all you have is isolated cases. I note you refuse to give an account of your personal meaning of the term Zionist, is it because it will show your true ISLAMONAZI POV and destroy what tiny piece of credibility you have left
 
How many more times do you need to be told about your RACIST INTOLERANCDE and INCITEMENT TO RELIGOUS HATRED. As well as being told time and time again that the Jews were INVITED TO PALESTINE BY THE LEGAL OWNERS. The arab muslims came illegally to steal the land. Under the Ottomans the land of Palestine was as devoid of arab muslims as the dark side of the moon. They could not get them to stay and be land owners they were that lazy. By the start of the 20c the arab muslims were migrating to Palestine illegally on the promise of free fertile land when the Jews had finished the hard work. By the way arab has never been a civilisation it has always been a thief in the night. So called Arabic architecture is a mix of Assyrian and Persian, so called arab food is a mixture of the surrounding countries and arab culture is what ever they could steal. They don't even have a religion that wasn't stolen from the Jews and Christians.


Now how about you step up to the mark and tell everyone in your own words what you mean when you call people Zionists. ( I believe that it is the new profanity used by the ISLAMONAZIS because they use their old one to give themselves credibility )

You cannot possibly believe this! No one could. The keys to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre have been in the same family for hundreds of years!! (a Muslim family, by the way...) People can easily trace their roots back. Someone is trying to feed you a lie, but at least it is an easily disproven lie.




One family that no doubt stole the property back then does not prove that 8 million arab muslims have lived there for millennia. How about the Jewish family that has farmed the same piece of land for 4 times longer than islam has been in existence. You are now clutching at straws to prove your point and failing because all you have is isolated cases. I note you refuse to give an account of your personal meaning of the term Zionist, is it because it will show your true ISLAMONAZI POV and destroy what tiny piece of credibility you have left


Aenmity statement has me very confused on many levels ------developed landscape?
---where and when? what does the keys to the church of the holy sepulchre
have to do with anything? its a very old story-----so one family has the keys in
Jerusalem------as a symbol of Islamic supremacy. Jerusalem was a city long before
that event took place----I mean the key thing. It was even a city before
the "church of the holy sepulchre" existed -------in fact most FAMOUS "ARAB"
Cities were cities long before anyone ever heard a word of Arabic in those cities---
did I say most? actually ---virtually all
 
Geez, will ya stop spamming the forum with your stupid youtube propaganda clips, nobody is interested.
Toady,when did anyone appoint you as an arbiter here, you do not speak for me,.
 
What an ignoramus.

Don't you even know what this is?



Yes cutting room floor rubbish that was considered of no value back then. For every 6 hours of film at least 5 1/2 hours gets scrapped.

...and yet considered worthy enough to preserve when the "1/2 hour" is long forgotten; doesn't sound like "cutting room rubbish" to anyone with a brain.
 
you never made any points about Zionism ---or genetics----you have simply
demonstrated that you are an islamo Nazi --------the term islamo Nazi refers --
correctly to those people who espouse the ideology you espouse. It's roots
go back into antiquity-----but were actually codified by the person who could
logically be called the father of the ISLAMO NAZISM that you espouse---
interestingly it is CONSTANTINE emperor of the first REICH He was
not entirely the creator of the filth you espouse----in fact precursors of your
stinking filth are found in the code of Hummarabi. A very interesting
reality is that the actual aim of ABRAHAM included the creation of a
code of law REPUDIATING the stink and filth aspects of the Code of
Hummarabi. Just as you cannot grasp simple mendelian genetics---there
is no chance of your grasping the really meaning of the most sublime
book of the bible-----genesis

You are raving. You should really step back and take a look at yourself.

ALL my points have been about Zionism and Zionism only. I never so much as think about religion. And I particularly know nothing about Islam and have never spoken of it.

Constantine?? First reich? Hummarabi? Abraham? Mendel??
What in the FLIP are you going on about? I don't mean to flame you but I honestly can't make heads of tails of this, so it is impossible to respond.

I presented some sane sources and you launch an insane rant. If you want to read/watch my sources and discuss them that's fine. But that is not what you are doing.


gee Aenmity----you know nothing about Constantine, Hummarabi,
Abraham and Mendel? sheeeesh Did you ever hear of Thomas
Edison? your sources are of two types-----islamo Nazi propaganda---
and minor studies which you do not understand and ludicrously misinterpret----
Before you talk about the "cohen haplotype" it would be nice if you
understood its significance. The term "cohen mutation" is hilarious---
but your use of that term does prove that you are clueless. Try not to
discuss subjects of which you have no grasp at all.
 
How many more times do you need to be told about your RACIST INTOLERANCDE and INCITEMENT TO RELIGOUS HATRED. As well as being told time and time again that the Jews were INVITED TO PALESTINE BY THE LEGAL OWNERS. The arab muslims came illegally to steal the land. Under the Ottomans the land of Palestine was as devoid of arab muslims as the dark side of the moon. They could not get them to stay and be land owners they were that lazy. By the start of the 20c the arab muslims were migrating to Palestine illegally on the promise of free fertile land when the Jews had finished the hard work. By the way arab has never been a civilisation it has always been a thief in the night. So called Arabic architecture is a mix of Assyrian and Persian, so called arab food is a mixture of the surrounding countries and arab culture is what ever they could steal. They don't even have a religion that wasn't stolen from the Jews and Christians.


Now how about you step up to the mark and tell everyone in your own words what you mean when you call people Zionists. ( I believe that it is the new profanity used by the ISLAMONAZIS because they use their old one to give themselves credibility )

You cannot possibly believe this! No one could. The keys to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre have been in the same family for hundreds of years!! (a Muslim family, by the way...) People can easily trace their roots back. Someone is trying to feed you a lie, but at least it is an easily disproven lie.




One family that no doubt stole the property back then does not prove that 8 million arab muslims have lived there for millennia. How about the Jewish family that has farmed the same piece of land for 4 times longer than islam has been in existence. You are now clutching at straws to prove your point and failing because all you have is isolated cases. I note you refuse to give an account of your personal meaning of the term Zionist, is it because it will show your true ISLAMONAZI POV and destroy what tiny piece of credibility you have left

That is all great. i would love to see a source on the Jewish family that farmed the same piece of land in Israel for all that time! I am collecting such stories. Muslims have not lived there for millenia, but Palestinians have. As we know, Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews.

But none of that is in the films I showed. All these films show is what Palestine was like BEFORE Israel came into existence. Again, it is sort of "Palestine without Zionism."
 
You cannot possibly believe this! No one could. The keys to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre have been in the same family for hundreds of years!! (a Muslim family, by the way...) People can easily trace their roots back. Someone is trying to feed you a lie, but at least it is an easily disproven lie.




One family that no doubt stole the property back then does not prove that 8 million arab muslims have lived there for millennia. How about the Jewish family that has farmed the same piece of land for 4 times longer than islam has been in existence. You are now clutching at straws to prove your point and failing because all you have is isolated cases. I note you refuse to give an account of your personal meaning of the term Zionist, is it because it will show your true ISLAMONAZI POV and destroy what tiny piece of credibility you have left

That is all great. i would love to see a source on the Jewish family that farmed the same piece of land in Israel for all that time! I am collecting such stories. Muslims have not lived there for millenia, but Palestinians have. As we know, Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews.

But none of that is in the films I showed. All these films show is what Palestine was like BEFORE Israel came into existence. Again, it is sort of "Palestine without Zionism."




Get it right before Arafat stole the name in 1960 the only Palestinians before that were the Jews.

Who Are The Palestinians?* What And Where Is Palestine?

Israel became a nation in 1312B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C. these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel [Judea] were overrun and its First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple upon the Temple Mount. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the Arabs is preposterous!

Then in 70 A.D. (nearly 2000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire's turn to march through ancient Israel and destroy the SECOND Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of its Jewish population. Many Jews left on their own because conditions for life were made unbearable in many respects... yet thousands upon thousands stayed and rebelled on for centuries in order to once again rebuilt a Jewish Nation in this Holy Land.

Over the next 2,000 years various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel's ancient capital. None bothered, nor were they in the least bit inclined, to build a Nation of their own. The region was successively ruled by the Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, Crusaders, Mamelukes and finally the Ottoman Turks who indifferently governed the backward, neglected territory from the 16th century until the British drove them out during World War I (1914-18). It must be noted that in 636 A.D., when the Arabs marauders came to the land and uprooted even more of its Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there... and certainly not a "Palestinian" nation. They were simply "Arabs" who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called "Palestine!" And remember this one fact... it was not the Jews who "usurped" (a favorite word from the Arab propagandists) the land from the Arabs. If anything, it was the Arabs in 636A.D. who overran and stole it from the Jews!

In Conclusion: No nation, other than the ancient nation of Israel and later again in 1948 with the rebirth of the Nation of Israel, has ever ruled as a sovereign national entity on this land. A mighty Jewish empire extended over this entire area before the Arabs and their Islam were even born! The Jewish People have one of the most legitimate Birth Certificates of any nations in the world. And if you want to talk religion, fine. G-d GAVE the Land of Israel to the Jewish People. And G-d does nothing by accident!

"PALESTINE?"

The term "Palestine" came from the name that the conquering Roman Empire gave the ancient Land of Israel in an attempt to obliterate and de-legitimize the Jewish presence in the Holy Land. The Roman Procurator in charge of the Judean-Israel territories was so angry at the Jews for revolting that he called for his historians and asked them who were the worst enemies of the Jews in their past history. The scribes said, ‘the Philistines." So, the Procurator declared that Land of Israel would from then on be called "Philistia" [further bastardized into "Palaistina"] to dishonor the Jews and obliterate their history. Hence the name "Palestine." One more thing. Very often one hears the revisionists and propagandists finding ancient historical links between the "Philistines" and the Arab "Palestinians." There is no truth to this claim! The Philistines were one of a number of Sea Peoples who reached the eastern Mediterranean region approximately 1250-1100B.C. They were actually an amalgamation of various ethnic groups, primarily of Aegean and south-east European origin [Greece, Crete and Western Turkey] ... but surely not of Arabian origin! These Philistines were not Arab... and neither was Goliath! The Arabs of "Palestine" are just that... Arabs! And these Arabs of "Palestine" have about as much historical roots to the ancient Philistines as Yasser Arafat has to the Eskimos!

If anything, the name "Palestine" was associated with Jews. In the years leading up to the rebirth of Israel in 1948, those who spoke of "Palestinians" were nearly always referring to the region's Jewish residents. In fact, Arab leaders rejected the notion of a unique "Palestinian Arab" identity, insisting that Palestine was merely a part of "Greater Syria."
 
You cannot possibly believe this! No one could. The keys to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre have been in the same family for hundreds of years!! (a Muslim family, by the way...) People can easily trace their roots back. Someone is trying to feed you a lie, but at least it is an easily disproven lie.



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That is all great. i would love to see a source on the Jewish family that farmed the same piece of land in Israel for all that time! I am collecting such stories. Muslims have not lived there for millenia, but Palestinians have. As we know, Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews.

But none of that is in the films I showed. All these films show is what Palestine was like BEFORE Israel came into existence. Again, it is sort of "Palestine without Zionism."

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"Palestinians" at the time that the term Palestine was coined (approximately 600 BC)
by the greek historian Herodotus-----were philistines and greeks living in Syria. For
Herodotus "people" meant greeks or greek like persons. The people who lived
in PHILISTIA were aegeans-----like JASON ----they were for the greeks like
greeks. Greece had invaded and---kinda colonized Syria ----and were very much
intermarried (the policy of alexander) with whoever was already in Syria---
generally PHONECIANS Thus the statement Palestinians were living in "PALESTINE"
for millennia is simply an awkward spin. It might interest my fellow posters to know
that CLEOPATRA might be called a "PALESTINIAN"-----she was actually (if I remember correctly) born in
SYRIA ----and was ---GREEK to a large extent in background. She learned the language
of Egypt as an ADULT Since the Romans began to call Israel/Judea----Palestina---
about 100 AD and more firmly 300 AD with the establishment of the FIRST REICH
under the ROMAN EMPEROR Constantine----Zionism still existed in ---Israel/Judea---
it never completely left -----Under Constantine----synagogues were developed in caves--
ie Judaism and Zionism was forced underground. Such hidden synagogues
are still being found by archaeologists in Israel/Judea. The written record
is a better source. Jews were still writing the Talmud during the early
times that Aenmity describes PALESTINE WITHOUT ZIONISM----in fact part of
the Talmud is commonly called The PALESTINIAN TALMUD gee aenmity----you
are dim The talmudists who wrote the PALESTINIAN TALMUD were not
Zionists? you are a barrel of laughs.

long ago----I had a professor-----whose name was HaKodsi (surname) very
interesting guy-----his family had continued to live in Jerusalem ----thruout
the millennia -----never left. the name HaKodsi means
"person from a holy place" ------ie it is the surname used for some people whose familes
did not leave Jerusalem after the roman destruction thereof.

The statement "today's Palestinians are descended from ancient jews" is utterly
idiotic -----What is correct is --- "today's palestinians and jews are descended from
the ancient people of the Levant" The only way anyone could conclude that
todays Palestinians are descended from "ancient jews" would be if ALL the
people of the Levant were jews in ancient times-----nope----jews were not the only
people in ancient times in the Levant. Contrary to the thinking of the shallow
minded-----even the Y chromosome cohen haplotype does not Prove descendancy
from jews---
but there is no way this kind of stuff can penetrate the brains of the simple minded---
just as some kids just cannot learn high school geometry.
 
You cannot possibly believe this! No one could. The keys to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre have been in the same family for hundreds of years!! (a Muslim family, by the way...) People can easily trace their roots back. Someone is trying to feed you a lie, but at least it is an easily disproven lie.




One family that no doubt stole the property back then does not prove that 8 million arab muslims have lived there for millennia. How about the Jewish family that has farmed the same piece of land for 4 times longer than islam has been in existence. You are now clutching at straws to prove your point and failing because all you have is isolated cases. I note you refuse to give an account of your personal meaning of the term Zionist, is it because it will show your true ISLAMONAZI POV and destroy what tiny piece of credibility you have left

That is all great. i would love to see a source on the Jewish family that farmed the same piece of land in Israel for all that time! I am collecting such stories. Muslims have not lived there for millenia, but Palestinians have. As we know, Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews.

But none of that is in the films I showed. All these films show is what Palestine was like BEFORE Israel came into existence. Again, it is sort of "Palestine without Zionism."




I would love to see a source for arab muslims in Palestine 2,000 years ago
 
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