British gun murder is low...because another shooter didn't kill his 16 year old victim....

[2aguy]

What is it with British criminals.....they have guns, they just can't shoot straight.......this 16 year old was shot, but the shooter obviously needs more practice......

Britain banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate has gone up......

Teenage boy shot as he sat in car

A 16-year-old boy was shot as he sat in a car.

Police were called around 9.10pm to a report of "a male having sustained gunshot wounds" on The Croft, Runcorn.

The teenage victim is believed to have been shot while sitting in a Ford Mondeo. Another male was seen to run from the scene.
The boy has been taken to hospital with serious injuries, which are not believed to be life threatening.

 

[Mousterian]

From Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

Did you get that? USA gun deaths = 160XBritish gun deaths.

 

[JGalt]

Any serious anti-gun legislation will never happen in this country. Barack Obama, the most virulent anti-gun President this country has ever had couldn't get any passed. Even when the Democrats had control of the House and Senate. In fact, Obama's presidency had the opposite effect,: causing the sale of a record number of firearms.

If Obama couldn't do it, what makes anyone think anyone else could? It will never ever come to pass.

 

[2aguy]

From Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

Did you get that? USA gun deaths = 160XBritish gun deaths.

Yes.....what you don't understand, because you don't know the issue, is that Britain had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns.

Do you understand that?

They had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns.

Then, they banned guns.....what happened after that? Do you know?

Their gun crime rate went up.....and is still going up......their criminals just aren't killing each other as often.....yet....but they are getting there...please...read the following links and learn about British gun crime....

Firearms amnesty as UK gun crime rises 27% this year

The amnesty comes less than a month after national figures revealed the number of crimes involving firearms in England and Wales increased by 27% to 6,696 in the year ending June 2017.

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

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as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

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London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.

 

[2aguy]

Any serious anti-gun legislation will never happen in this country. Barack Obama, the most virulent anti-gun President this country has ever had couldn't get any passed. Even when the Democrats had control of the House and Senate. In fact, Obama's presidency had the opposite effect,: causing the sale of a record number of firearms.

If Obama couldn't do it, what makes anyone think anyone else could? It will never ever come to pass.

Sorry....but he went to the courts to get his anti gun agenda......he didn't want to lose congressional seats to anti gun votes...since he wanted to pass and protect obamacare first and foremost...so he stacked all levels of the judiciary with anti gun judges and justices......you can see this in the 9th and 4th Circuit court rulings...

 

[otto105]

What is it with British criminals.....they have guns, they just can't shoot straight.......this 16 year old was shot, but the shooter obviously needs more practice......

Britain banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate has gone up......

Teenage boy shot as he sat in car

A 16-year-old boy was shot as he sat in a car.

Police were called around 9.10pm to a report of "a male having sustained gunshot wounds" on The Croft, Runcorn.

The teenage victim is believed to have been shot while sitting in a Ford Mondeo. Another male was seen to run from the scene.
The boy has been taken to hospital with serious injuries, which are not believed to be life threatening.

So just one gun victim can change the gun murder rate so much that you would post about it?

 

[JGalt]

Any serious anti-gun legislation will never happen in this country. Barack Obama, the most virulent anti-gun President this country has ever had couldn't get any passed. Even when the Democrats had control of the House and Senate. In fact, Obama's presidency had the opposite effect,: causing the sale of a record number of firearms.

If Obama couldn't do it, what makes anyone think anyone else could? It will never ever come to pass.

Sorry....but he went to the courts to get his anti gun agenda......he didn't want to lose congressional seats to anti gun votes...since he wanted to pass and protect obamacare first and foremost...so he stacked all levels of the judiciary with anti gun judges and justices......you can see this in the 9th and 4th Circuit court rulings...

That he did. What little he did accomplish was on a judicial-level or what laws individual states passed. Hopefully Trump will appoint enough judges to overturn everything Obama accomplished.

 

[2aguy]

What is it with British criminals.....they have guns, they just can't shoot straight.......this 16 year old was shot, but the shooter obviously needs more practice......

Britain banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate has gone up......

Teenage boy shot as he sat in car

A 16-year-old boy was shot as he sat in a car.

Police were called around 9.10pm to a report of "a male having sustained gunshot wounds" on The Croft, Runcorn.

The teenage victim is believed to have been shot while sitting in a Ford Mondeo. Another male was seen to run from the scene.
The boy has been taken to hospital with serious injuries, which are not believed to be life threatening.

So just one gun victim can change the gun murder rate so much that you would post about it?

No.....I post these shootings to show that criminals in Britain get guns....that their gun control laws have failed to do what they promised the British people they would do.....Notice the age of the victim...read my links.....teenagers are getting guns in Britain and shooting each other.....they are at the point we were at in the mid 1960s just before the crime rate went nuts.....

They are cutting their police numbers. They are cutting their police money. They are tying the hands of their police with politically correct policies and calling their police bad guys...just like here. Their welfare state can no longer civilize their young, poor, males.....they are importing violent people from 3rd world countries who are now running British drug gangs......so their crime rate is going to skyrocket...and their people won't have guns to save themselves...

 

[2aguy]

Any serious anti-gun legislation will never happen in this country. Barack Obama, the most virulent anti-gun President this country has ever had couldn't get any passed. Even when the Democrats had control of the House and Senate. In fact, Obama's presidency had the opposite effect,: causing the sale of a record number of firearms.

If Obama couldn't do it, what makes anyone think anyone else could? It will never ever come to pass.

Sorry....but he went to the courts to get his anti gun agenda......he didn't want to lose congressional seats to anti gun votes...since he wanted to pass and protect obamacare first and foremost...so he stacked all levels of the judiciary with anti gun judges and justices......you can see this in the 9th and 4th Circuit court rulings...

That he did. What little he did accomplish was on a judicial-level or what laws individual states passed. Hopefully Trump will appoint enough judges to overturn everything Obama accomplished.

This is why it is so important to keep the Republicans in control of the Senate...no matter how stupid they are.....we have the chance to get 3 real justices to replace ginsburg, breyer and kennedy, and we need to protect Thomas's seat should anything happen to him or the other real justices......not to mention all the lower court appointments we need Trump to make....

So we will need to hold our noses and vote for Republicans to keep the Senate...

 

[otto105]

What is it with British criminals.....they have guns, they just can't shoot straight.......this 16 year old was shot, but the shooter obviously needs more practice......

Britain banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate has gone up......

Teenage boy shot as he sat in car

A 16-year-old boy was shot as he sat in a car.

Police were called around 9.10pm to a report of "a male having sustained gunshot wounds" on The Croft, Runcorn.

The teenage victim is believed to have been shot while sitting in a Ford Mondeo. Another male was seen to run from the scene.
The boy has been taken to hospital with serious injuries, which are not believed to be life threatening.

So just one gun victim can change the gun murder rate so much that you would post about it?

No.....I post these shootings to show that criminals in Britain get guns....that their gun control laws have failed to do what they promised the British people they would do.....Notice the age of the victim...read my links.....teenagers are getting guns in Britain and shooting each other.....they are at the point we were at in the mid 1960s just before the crime rate went nuts.....

They are cutting their police numbers. They are cutting their police money. They are tying the hands of their police with politically correct policies and calling their police bad guys...just like here. Their welfare state can no longer civilize their young, poor, males.....they are importing violent people from 3rd world countries who are now running British drug gangs......so their crime rate is going to skyrocket...and their people won't have guns to save themselves...

You post this BS while guns in America kill 25,000 and those in Britian kill 25.

You just hoping stupid people believe you on the rates.

 

[2aguy]

What is it with British criminals.....they have guns, they just can't shoot straight.......this 16 year old was shot, but the shooter obviously needs more practice......

Britain banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate has gone up......

Teenage boy shot as he sat in car

A 16-year-old boy was shot as he sat in a car.

Police were called around 9.10pm to a report of "a male having sustained gunshot wounds" on The Croft, Runcorn.

The teenage victim is believed to have been shot while sitting in a Ford Mondeo. Another male was seen to run from the scene.
The boy has been taken to hospital with serious injuries, which are not believed to be life threatening.

So just one gun victim can change the gun murder rate so much that you would post about it?

No.....I post these shootings to show that criminals in Britain get guns....that their gun control laws have failed to do what they promised the British people they would do.....Notice the age of the victim...read my links.....teenagers are getting guns in Britain and shooting each other.....they are at the point we were at in the mid 1960s just before the crime rate went nuts.....

They are cutting their police numbers. They are cutting their police money. They are tying the hands of their police with politically correct policies and calling their police bad guys...just like here. Their welfare state can no longer civilize their young, poor, males.....they are importing violent people from 3rd world countries who are now running British drug gangs......so their crime rate is going to skyrocket...and their people won't have guns to save themselves...

You post this BS while guns in America kill 25,000 and those in Britian kill 25.

You just hoping stupid people believe you on the rates.

First, you don't know the stats.....Second, Britain, again, has increasing gun crime....they were told by their government if they gave up their guns, their gun crime and violent crime would go down. That didn't happen, it has been going up, and their violent young males are murdering more and more people....

And then you have the fact that Americans, on average, use guns in this country 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminal attack, and some mass shooters, which means they save lives......

Here are the actual stats on guns and gun deaths, notice, gun suicide is the biggest number. And this means nothing to the argument because Japan, China, South Korea have absolute gun control...only criminals and cops have easy access to guns and their suicide rates are higher than ours....which means guns are not the issue in suicide.....

Gun suicide..

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015
Gun suicide...

22,018

Non Gun suicide...

22,078
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Gun Accidental death.....
2015

489

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Gun murder ( 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are actual criminals, not law abiding people)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


2015--

9,616

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Suicide
...even though Japan, Korea, China, all have absolute gun control for law abiding citizens...only criminals and cops can have guns.......and they have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non-gun suicide rate has been higher than our gun suicide rate for 2 years in a row.....

Gun Accidental Death...

Gun accidents....in a country with over 320,000,000 people...... with 400,000,000 guns in private hands, and over 15,700,000 people carrying guns for self defense..... 489 accidental gun deaths....

Gun murder
Of the 9,616 gun murders in this country, 70-80% of the victims are criminals, engaged in criminal activity or part of the criminal life style....and of the remaining victims....many of them are friends and family of the criminal...caught up in the criminal's lifestyle.....