Britain - 90%+ of the Child rape, and Child grooming is committed by Muslims.

[Ropey]

So the INDEPENDENT is quoting the UK Times research and there it is --- 50/56 is about 90%... Deal with that carefully and responsibly..

..In that small sample.

Such statistics are not good extrapolates when used in this way, imho. The sample size is just too small. Periods are necessary to begin a healthy extrapolation because if this is the case, then it bears stricter observance. imho

 

[flacaltenn]

So the INDEPENDENT is quoting the UK Times research and there it is --- 50/56 is about 90%... Deal with that carefully and responsibly..

..In that small sample.

Such statistics are not good extrapolates when used in this way, imho. The sample size is just too small. Periods are necessary to begin a healthy extrapolation because if this is the case, then it bears stricter observance. imho

All true -- BUT ---- when the ethnic communities are concentrated in certain cities, those kind of statistics are alarming even to their OWN leaders and spokespeople. Any way you look at it -- The Brits needs to have a cup of tea and then RESOLVE to apply the laws regardless of political correctness.

 

[Vikrant]

Asians can also be Christian or Hindu.

Something is very fishy about British elites' attitude about Muslim extremists. They often label these extremists as Asians. That to me is a pretty broad brush. Asians include people from Japan, Taiwan, China, India, etc. and you get the picture. Asia is a vast continent and I would estimate about 2-billion people in Asia are not Muslims. When British elites attribute actions of a few extremist Muslims to entire Asian community, they are essentially paving the path for hatred against Asians who may or may not even be Muslims. They do not seem to want to distinguish between Muslim and Non-Muslim Asians. More importantly, they lump peaceful Muslims with violent Jihadis. This is very unfair to peaceful Muslims.

 

[Vikrant]

@Daniyel,

Well, if UK authorities wanted to publish the statistics, it would have been very easy for them to do so. All they have to do is have few people gather the data from all over the UK. So the question is: Why is UK government not being candid on this issue if Muslims are involved at such a large scale?

 

[Daniyel]

@Daniyel,

Well, if UK authorities wanted to publish the statistics, it would have been very easy for them to do so. All they have to do is have few people gather the data from all over the UK. So the question is: Why is UK government not being candid on this issue if Muslims are involved at such a large scale?

@flacaltenn did explain it very well but in a short verse.
I will try to elaborate.
Creating a tension by publishing such information could lead to a state scale riots nobody is willing to jump into, I can also add that Israel also prevented some events that could raise the ethnic tension and involve hate crimes-during protective edge- now back to the UK, with a soaring support in IS I must admit I'm not surprised, 11%!
Do you want to see a situation where hate crimes and even non violent deeds (protests, opinion reports, documentary films, etc) are causing only 1% of the IS supporters to feel uncomfortable in the UK?
The biggest danger of all societies is a social rift, such rift can not only cause more Muslims to support IS but would also cost British blood, and cause more Muslims that would be influenced by that to support radicalism we've seen the riots in London, you want a bigger scale of riots by Muslims? Nobody does.
So I hope the UK does take measures about it but in a national scale indirectly to reduce the increasing crimes and neutralize the possible of creating a social rift, but with politically correct by the time you'll succeed blocking a riven with a piece of paper you'll find yourself drowning which is why I believe people SHOULD know, and why it is best to deal with it now rather than letting the time bomb explode in their face later.
It is also the naivety-politically-correct terms that blind many of what people can even SAY, I'm talking about dismantling of future right for security which is indeed the worse of all, when there is no balance between right and left the society will fall to chaos, and by silence the rads only cutting their coupons over the easily swayed population which will promote later either a radical solution for it, or dealing with the explosions of the time bomb.
Child and Women molestation and rape in generally that's being reported is the tip of the iceberg, I'm not talking about convicted as well.
In the end, once we don't talk about the things that matter.. well.

 

[Daniyel]

Sorry for the syntax-can't edit.

 

[Vikrant]

^ Well, if you do not want the riot between Whites and the Muslims then the best thing to do is drop this subject altogether, which is not a bad idea given we do not have any reliable statistics from a credible source. Till we have statistics that proves 90% of child rapists are Muslims, we should refrain from stating such. Because as you know this can cause riot and may result in loss of innocent lives.

 

[Ropey]

Sorry for the syntax-can't edit.

Dan?

All you had to do was change the title to fit the reality. Those opinion based bloggers look for compelling titles and they're not bound by a clear journalistic integrity.

So you need to be bound by it or your OP's gain flavor of unreliability.

 

[polarbear]

Oh my.........what ever shall we do?? ......

Recognize that Muslims are no different than Nazis - and should be treated the same, as pariahs.

Sadly everywhere you have Muslims you have radicals and ignorants, and its usually followed by killing, rape, torturing, thieving, and violence.

First off you lied with that 90% of child rape in the UK is committed by Muslims.
There is no mention of that on the Jihad site that you linked
There is no mention of it in any of the videos you grabbed from youtube either.
You made it up!
Why?
You twisted this Rotherham/ UK scandal to suit your hatred of Muslims in general.
Anybody who does read the British Press also knows that the Rotherham P.D. refused to compile the kind of statistics that break down child sex abuse by race or religion and the UK, the US or the EU will not compile any statistical breakdown like the one you just pulled out off your ass either.
Because anyone who would even attempt it would be stoned to death by the main stream media as a racist.
So that makes you a racist, by their standards, not mine....(yet)...however there is a question I have what motivated you to make a post like this one,...which is in line with most of the other posts you made so far since you registered at the USMB.
You are not concerned about these sexually abused children just like you had no concern about all the children that got killed in Gaza.
And in both cases you blamed it all on Muslims!
It`s sad enough that there is a big problem with sexual abuse of children and child sex trafficking in the UK, the US and many other countries.
What`s so outrageous about the Rotherham\UK case is that the police did not really investigate the complaints that were filed for ~ 16 years.
Unlike the UK the US has taken any such complaint very seriously and pursued child sex offenders rigorously.
They just arrested 29 perpetrators in Rochester NY and their identities will be known by the public pretty soon.
If 90 % of them turn out to be Muslim, then you`ll have some fodder for another post like the kind of posts you have been making every day since you started posting.
Ooops one of the Rochester child sex traffickers has already been named by the press
Marques Williams, of Monroe County.
Is that a Muslim name?
I don`t think so.
You need at least 26 Muslims amongst the remaining 28 perpetrators to get to your 90% Muslim child rapist figure to substantiate your blatantly racist propaganda.
Normal people are concerned about children and go through great length to protect them, not you !
You have no shame to use children that were killed regardless if they were Jewish teenagers murdered by Muslim extremists, or Palestinian babies killed by the IDF,....or children that have been raped in the UK for your own purposes, which is spreading hate propaganda at the USMB...24/7.
You are disgusting

 

[Manonthestreet]

Exposed: Groomed for Sex
BBC, Fran Baker, Adil Ray (presenter)

Exposed Groomed for Sex - Watch Free Documentary Online - BBC Fran Baker Adil Ray presenter

 

[Noomi]

Oh my.........what ever shall we do?? ......

Recognize that Muslims are no different than Nazis - and should be treated the same, as pariahs.

You cannot be serious.

 

[Phoenall]

Britain - 90%+ of the Child rape, and Child grooming is committed by Muslims.

Link to actual data please? Jihadwatch is a notorious hate site.

Otherwise, I'll assume this is about as accurate as the "blood libel" claims made against Jews.

Here you go

UK sex abuse report prompts outrage reflection - US News
Tory MP Kris Hopkins Sparks Row Over Muslim Gangs Raping White Kids Remark
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/muslim-child-rape-gangs-Britain



Lets just say that those of us who live in the UK know about this and the cover up by our politicians in return for votes. We see the extent of child rapes with 1400 girls not being excessive, so multiply this figure by the number of towns and cities in the UK and the numbers become alarming. Even the childrens homes scandal did not reach this sort of figure, nor did the celebrity or Catholic priest scandals come close. Lets just say that the parents that tried to take action were threatened with arrest because the P.C. brigade were claining that speaking out against the extent of the crime was being racist.

I don't think living in the UK necessarily makes you a more "accurate" observer.

There are a number posters who live in the US and post some pretty hateful material on race and race relations in the US. The fact that they live in the US doesn't necessarily make them accurate or unbiased.

You forget that the UK is as small as many of your states so if something happens in London word quickly travels to Newcastle. We have had first hand reports of gang rapes, murders, beatings etc. within 12 hours of it happening. So being such a small nation we are more in touch with the reality. Seeing with your own eyes on a daily basis makes you very accurate, and it will also open your eyes to the enormity of the situation. Being involved at a high level also enables you to be more observant and open minded. Seeing the lies and fabrications first hand also helps you to understand more. If you faced violence every day and had no means of defence what would you do. We cant carry guns, knives or pepper spray, so our only defence is in numbers, and reducing the odds means the muslims are loath to attack in case they are hurt. You soon learn the facts of survival in ISLAMONAZI controlled inner cities, just as you have learnt the facts of survival in Detroit, New York, L.A. and Miami

 

[Phoenall]

Here is another one..take a look.
BBC News - Grooming and race - what do we know

These are Asians...

and?

..MUSLIMS of course!

over 21,000 reported sex crimes against children in the UK and you come up with 8 "Muslims"?

Not every child rape is committed by a different person. If you had read the reports you would see that 1400 girls in Rotherham were raped by just 5 muslims, who then passed them around 250 more muslims who are yet to be arrested and charged. How many murders in Detroit last week, and how many people are the Police looking for in connection to the murders

 

[Phoenall]

BTW --- From a 2ndary news site, they identified the source of the 90% to a UK Times report.. And I've seen the reprint.. It DOES take a time period of about 8 years and identifies Muslims BY NAME to be 90% of the CONVICTED child abusers. HOWEVER -- the UK Times report is old, several years, and it is paywalled.

However this press report gives enough red meat for both sides to fight over..

Child sex grooming the Asian question - Crime - UK - The Independent

Nick Griffin, leader of the BNP and a Member of the European Parliament, was there to give a video interview for the BNP website. "The mass street grooming of young girls from the English community is only being carried out by Muslims. All the paedophile groomers in this particular sort of crime – on the street, in gangs – are Muslims. That's the common denominator," he explained fluently.

The overall statistics give the lie to such claims. Greater Manchester Police, in whose area the offences took place, has declared that 95 per cent of the men on its sex offenders register are white. Just five per cent are Asian. But things do look different when the focus is narrowed to crimes involving groups of men grooming girls on the street. In 18 child sexual exploitation trials since 1997 – in Derby, Leeds, Blackpool, Blackburn, Rotherham, Sheffield, Rochdale, Oldham and Birmingham – relating to the on-street grooming of girls aged 11 to 16 by two or more men, most of those convicted were of Pakistani heritage.


Various newspapers have quoted figures complied by The Times which examined the 18 trials mentioned earlier and showed that of the 56 people found guilty of crimes including rape, child abduction, indecent assault and sex with a child, 53 were Asian. Of those, 50 were Muslim and a majority were members of the British Pakistani community. Most of the victims have been white, although in one case several Bangladeshi Muslim girls were also abused. These were reported as being supported by research by two academics at the Jill Dando Institute of Security and Crime Science at University College London (UCL) which examined just two cases, involving 25 offenders.

However, the picture presented by the academics, Ella Cockbain and Helen Brayley, is a lot less clear. "The citations are correct but they have been taken out of context," says Ms Cockbain. "Nor do they acknowledge the small sample size of the original research, which focused on just two large cases." They worried that "findings were being overextended from a small, geographically concentrated sample to characterise an entire crime type". Even their most recent work studies just five cases – though of the 52 offenders involved totals 83 per cent are Asian Pakistani, 11 per cent Asian other and 6 per cent white. That is a very small sample.

So the INDEPENDENT is quoting the UK Times research and there it is --- 50/56 is about 90%... Deal with that carefully and responsibly..

The majority of UK residents already know this to be true, it is the looney left that refuse to see the extent of the problem. This was brought home to many supporters of the left when the then leader of the country was asked by a life long labour supporter what was to be done about immigration, private pensions and ever increasing welfare bills. All things of concern to the majority of the country and the nation waited for his reply, which skirted the issues and he climbed in his car. His microphone was still on and the world heard him call the woman a bigot because she dared to ask about immigrants and his THEFT of pension pots to pay for the immigrant welfare bills. He lost labour the next election because of this. Once they were out of power the Tories started looking at the cases and ordered the police to make arrests, this was when the P.C. morons found that claiming racism was actually defending child rape and found that they were the ones looking at the sack and becoming unwanted pariahs. The cases are not yet over and expect the numbers of arrests to go ever upwards till they hit the top.

 

[Phoenall]

It is a matter of basing thing on facts, once Britain would release an official statistics about religion and crime rate it would drag riots to the streets of Britain, it is indeed a matter of responsibility, but the other alternative means keep the politically correct silence and not talk about the things that matter, you can refuse anything so its meaningless even if the government would publish such information since no actions would be taken.

One of the most "news" outlets I hate, but I assume you would see as legitimate.

I'm not sure it's adding anything useful - the Guardian article (I think) already talked about some of it.

It's not adding anything backing up the claim that 90% of sex crimes against children are by Muslims. No one is disputing that there are these child sex trafficking rings, or that Pakistani immigrants have been implicated in a number of them. You're claiming there are no "official statistics" because if Britain were to release "official statistics" then riots would ensue. Sure is convenient way of ducking out of providing factual back up to claims.

One sure way to generate hate against a group of people is to accuse them of "raping our women" and "molesting our children". The emotional outrage over runs the meagre facts.

This is like deja Vue.. A couple years ago, there were reports and a thread on USMB about "muslims committing 90% of the sex crimes in Norway".. When I dug DEEPER into the OFFICIAL sources, what was found was that this 90% came from a single police round-up in Oslo.

That does NOT give overall National statistics.. And although most Norwegian Muslims probably live in the bigger cities, this little factoid got magnified BEYOND it's usefulness.

Actually the same with the hate tainted COUNTER-factoid that Sunni injected in the 1st couple pages. This was from a SINGLE police operation, so the numbers COULD have predominantly Jewish.

Guess what? There is truth to both stories --- if they are told right.
But you'll never get the overall picture from sources that embellish the reports.

1) 1400 girls in ONE English town were discovered to have been groomed and abused LARGELY by Pakistanis. BUT -- the folks who OPERATED that ring were identified as Asian.

2) There is a disproportionate number of Muslim clients and providers being found in OTHER busts across the UK..

3) Govt of UK has HIDDEN racial demographics because they felt the citizens couldn't handle it.

That last point is important because -----

4) MANY Muslim Youth leaders have spoken out about this epidemic.

And HIDING the numbers doesn't allow the communities at fault to do the job of stifling these outrages. By trying to PREVENT ethnic tension, they are also inhibiting a natural response from the ethnic communities that NEED to act..

I don't DOUBT that PARTICULAR police operations result in disproportionate ethnic statistics. And SINGLE sweeps are indeed significant to that particular city. But we need to use the numbers more responsibly..

Living in the UK and in an area with a large immigrant community I an ideally placed to comment on the real facts.

1) 1400 girls in one town raped by not 5 muslims but by many hundreds who paid the initial ring for the use of the girls. Many having to service 10 or more muslim men a day, who came from all nationalities of muslim.

2) Not when you realise that the government issued guidelines on how to deal with immigrant crimes, a softly softly approach was demanded with the leaders of the communities being warned days beforehand of the intended police operation so they could get things hidden. No early morning raids with the police battering rams, but calls at 9:30 A.M. and the police to remove their boots before entering the home.

3) They did more than this they openly LIED about the extent of the problem. For years the government stated that there were only 2 million immigrants in the UK, and of these less than 1 million were muslim. Even after 2 census were counted the numbers remained the same, and the people started to question the validity of the data. They could see the increasing numbers of immigrants more so muslims and wanted to know why the figures did not match the reality.

4) Many muslim youth leaders knew what was going on and were in on the crime, they just did not want to be seen to be involved. When muslims were arrested for crimes they whole community would stand outside the court trying to intimidate witnesses and staff so the case would be thrown out.

 

[Daniyel]

^ Well, if you do not want the riot between Whites and the Muslims then the best thing to do is drop this subject altogether, which is not a bad idea given we do not have any reliable statistics from a credible source. Till we have statistics that proves 90% of child rapists are Muslims, we should refrain from stating such. Because as you know this can cause riot and may result in loss of innocent lives.

My point is why the UK is not hesitating to do so, I also explained my opinion why I think its a big mistake, and I did explain why I take the sources seriously, we can debate about the sources but not about the policy, statistically or not, this is very serious matter.

 

[Phoenall]

Oh my.........what ever shall we do?? ......

Recognize that Muslims are no different than Nazis - and should be treated the same, as pariahs.

You cannot be serious.

Not having to live in fear of them you would not know, thankfully we can now speak out openly against islam and not be branded RACIST, NAZI, FASCIST and all the other nasty phrases that are worn out by constant use. The latest one is Islamophobe which is pointed out to the idiots using it that there are no recorded instances of this disease in any medical books. They are now on the run and have stopped their little tricks to gain the upper hand, no longer are they given compensation when they break employment laws they just get sacked. They protest violently and then demand police protection when we turn against them, they demand to be treated better than everyone else because their god said so, and riot when it is refused.

 

[Phoenall]

^ Well, if you do not want the riot between Whites and the Muslims then the best thing to do is drop this subject altogether, which is not a bad idea given we do not have any reliable statistics from a credible source. Till we have statistics that proves 90% of child rapists are Muslims, we should refrain from stating such. Because as you know this can cause riot and may result in loss of innocent lives.

My point is why the UK is not hesitating to do so, I also explained my opinion why I think its a big mistake, and I did explain why I take the sources seriously, we can debate about the sources but not about the policy, statistically or not, this is very serious matter.

The neo Marxist ruled the people by fear, not physical fear but peer pressure. They knew that once they started a whisper that so and so was a racist the word would spread and they would be shunned by their peers. There were those of us who were no longer scared of being branded racist, Nazi, fascist and islamophobe and our few voices were never silenced. Even when threatened with violence we just carried on and spoke openly, reporting the threats to the relevant authorities. Some of us were arrested on trumped up charges and waited months to go to court only to be told the case was closed. Others fought the cases in court and won making the P.C. neo Marxists look very foolish. Then we had our chance and we voted against the neo Marxist government and put the tory's in power. This led to a witch hunt on child rape as the whispers were the neo Marxist leaders were involved in child abuse, in the process a whole new can of worms was opened up and the Pakistani muslims started to be arrested. Thinking they were still protected by their neo Marxist friends they claimed racism as the only reason for the arrests only to be silenced by the judge and told he would decide if it was racist. Many found the courts unsympathetic and branded the Pakistani muslims as the racists. The country as a whole then started to speak openly about immigration, welfare fraud, rising crime rates, Health service abuse and child rape. The neo Marxists rallied for a short while until some started losing their jobs to incompetence and gross misconduct. We now face an uphill struggle to keep Milliband and co out of power and get the country back to the old values of family life and lazy sunday afternoons

 

[Phoenall]

Asians can also be Christian or Hindu.

Something is very fishy about British elites' attitude about Muslim extremists. They often label these extremists as Asians. That to me is a pretty broad brush. Asians include people from Japan, Taiwan, China, India, etc. and you get the picture. Asia is a vast continent and I would estimate about 2-billion people in Asia are not Muslims. When British elites attribute actions of a few extremist Muslims to entire Asian community, they are essentially paving the path for hatred against Asians who may or may not even be Muslims. They do not seem to want to distinguish between Muslim and Non-Muslim Asians. More importantly, they lump peaceful Muslims with violent Jihadis. This is very unfair to peaceful Muslims.

It is all because of Political Correctness that they are called Asians, to be more forthright would result in peoples eyes being opened in regard to muslims and islam. We have many nationalities of Asians living peacefully and integrating well into British society, but the vast majority of muslims are reclusive, arrogant, haughty and insular. They wont allow their children to mix with white children in case they are somehow infected. The actions are not those of a few extremists but of the majority of muslims as shown by the violent riots involving thousands, the recordings from mosques that show hundreds agreeing with the imam as he gives his lesson on how islam will conquer the British and enslave them all. How they will fight the British by targeting children and women to send fear into the hearts of the men. So going on the evidence from the last few years there are very few peaceful muslims, but one hell of a lot of extremists and violent jihadis.

 

[Coyote]

BTW --- From a 2ndary news site, they identified the source of the 90% to a UK Times report.. And I've seen the reprint.. It DOES take a time period of about 8 years and identifies Muslims BY NAME to be 90% of the CONVICTED child abusers. HOWEVER -- the UK Times report is old, several years, and it is paywalled.

However this press report gives enough red meat for both sides to fight over..

Child sex grooming the Asian question - Crime - UK - The Independent

Nick Griffin, leader of the BNP and a Member of the European Parliament, was there to give a video interview for the BNP website. "The mass street grooming of young girls from the English community is only being carried out by Muslims. All the paedophile groomers in this particular sort of crime – on the street, in gangs – are Muslims. That's the common denominator," he explained fluently.

The overall statistics give the lie to such claims. Greater Manchester Police, in whose area the offences took place, has declared that 95 per cent of the men on its sex offenders register are white. Just five per cent are Asian. But things do look different when the focus is narrowed to crimes involving groups of men grooming girls on the street. In 18 child sexual exploitation trials since 1997 – in Derby, Leeds, Blackpool, Blackburn, Rotherham, Sheffield, Rochdale, Oldham and Birmingham – relating to the on-street grooming of girls aged 11 to 16 by two or more men, most of those convicted were of Pakistani heritage.


Various newspapers have quoted figures complied by The Times which examined the 18 trials mentioned earlier and showed that of the 56 people found guilty of crimes including rape, child abduction, indecent assault and sex with a child, 53 were Asian. Of those, 50 were Muslim and a majority were members of the British Pakistani community. Most of the victims have been white, although in one case several Bangladeshi Muslim girls were also abused. These were reported as being supported by research by two academics at the Jill Dando Institute of Security and Crime Science at University College London (UCL) which examined just two cases, involving 25 offenders.

However, the picture presented by the academics, Ella Cockbain and Helen Brayley, is a lot less clear. "The citations are correct but they have been taken out of context," says Ms Cockbain. "Nor do they acknowledge the small sample size of the original research, which focused on just two large cases." They worried that "findings were being overextended from a small, geographically concentrated sample to characterise an entire crime type". Even their most recent work studies just five cases – though of the 52 offenders involved totals 83 per cent are Asian Pakistani, 11 per cent Asian other and 6 per cent white. That is a very small sample.

So the INDEPENDENT is quoting the UK Times research and there it is --- 50/56 is about 90%... Deal with that carefully and responsibly..

In other words - the OP is false: Britain - 90%+ of the Child rape, and Child grooming is committed by Muslims

The 90 percent came from just a handfull of cases - not all of Britain's child sexual abuse cases.

Which asks the question - what is the motivation of people deliberately misusing such statistics?