JimofPennsylvan
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By far the biggest mistake a country has made in the twenty-first century is unfolding in the United Kingdom with the Brexit initiative it will permanently ruin the UK as a top tier country economically and politically very sadly history will likely loudly record this event as causing the irreversible downfall of this great country! The really terrible thing about this self-inflicted wound the British people have brought on themselves is that it was caused by misleading and false statements and practices cast upon the general British public to get them to vote "leave" in this referendum; one could truthfully say the British people were lied to and defrauded for their "leave" vote. The list of the false statements in this campaign is shocking!
The British people were told if they leave the EU the 350 million pounds (like a half of billion dollars) per week the UK paid into the EU would be directed to the UK National Health Service system. The British people were told that if they voted to leave the EU the large number of foreigners migrating into their country every year would stop. The British people were told by the "leave" camp that if they left the EU the UK economy would not be hurt, the "remain" camp was fear mongering with claims of serious negative repercussions. The British people were told that if they voted to leave the EU that the exit would be handled in a considerate manner for the British people where the British people would be given plenty of time to prepare, the UK negotiators would be able to negotiate with the EU negotiators and get favorable terms on all the relevant issues needed for their future relationship with the EU. The British people were told that all the needed by the UK regulation and regulatory agencies for a post EU UK would be in place by the time they exited the EU. The British people were told that if the UK left the EU Scotland would not pursue seceding from the UK and joining the EU that the Scotland referendum held in 2014 which failed was the final word on that issue.
What have the British people and people throughout the world learned since the Brexit vote where the majority of UK voters voted yes to Brexit! That there will be no Brexit financial windfall going to the UK healthcare system after Brexit, the numbers were inflated after factoring in money the EU provides to UK entities the amount is cut in half and post Brexit the UK will still have to pay significant amounts of money to the EU to access the UK markets, that post Brexit because of the separation the UK GDP will drop, the UK is facing bigger budget deficits and any savings resulting will likely be needed to shore up general UK government spending. The British people learned that there will be no drop in migration of foreigners post Brexit, EU leaders have been emphatic and final there will be no migration quotas for the UK, the UK will be treated like everyone else if the UK wants open access to EU markets it will have to accept completely free migration of EU members into the UK. Since the Brexit referendum the British people have seen their currency drop to thirty year lows, their stock market drop ten percent, a certainty of their country's GDP falling and a massive coalescing forming of businesses currently in the UK readying to move parts or the entirety of their business out of the UK and into EU that in fact for all these years one of the extremely valuable assets of the UK was just that it was a foothold for businesses seeking access to the EU market.
Since the Brexit the British people have learned the awful news from EU authorities that there will be no negotiations about a British exit prior to the UK triggering Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which makes the UK's exit from the EU irreversible which means the final state of things for the British people in regard to their relationship with the EU and its member countries and in regard to regulation the EU provided may not be entirely good and the British people will be largely stuck with that outcome! Further the vast majority of EU authorities have indicated that they want the severing of the relationship between the UK and EU once Article 50 is triggered to happen quickly they don't want the instability for their countries of a protracted separation; wisdom would indicate that a two year separation is way too optimistic try one year maximum! Remember this Brexit move by the UK has hurt the financial markets and the economies of the EU member countries prudent leadership by these countries will want to stop and reverse this speedily moving the UK out of the EU will help this goal; moreover, EU member countries stand to gain a significant economic up lift by businesses currently residing in the UK relocating to EU countries post the Brexit EU countries are going to want to expedite this economic benefit as soon as possible and further remember EU countries hold the power in the exit negotiation if the UK doesn't cooperate in an expedited schedule the EU can make the terms of the exit relationship worse for Britain and lastly remember there isn't a lot of love lost between many EU countries in the Euro currency that have had debt problems in recent years causing painful austerity on them and the UK which along with Germany was behind this austerity pressure from Brussels. Since the Brexit referendum vote in fact the very next day as election results were coming in and it was clear the leave vote was winning Scotland authorities made it clear their people's self-determination to remain in the EU was not going to be denied and independence referendum may not be held in the near future but if the Brexit goes through it will definitely be held which will almost certainly prevail meaning that the result of the Brexit initiative will be the British people will lose Scotland as part of the UK and likely Northern Ireland which will likely secede, because they voted to remain, and join the country of Ireland which is part of the EU leaving the British people with a dramatically weakened country!
To top off this mountain of misleading that the people of Britain were subjected to in this Brexit referendum and this is the mother of all tops is that the two main leaders behind this major referendum, characters that acted like Mahatma Ghandhi and Nelson Mandela figures for the movement have for all practical and intensive purposes abandoned the cause! The reference here is to Boris Johnson the high energy high volume leader of the movement and Nigel Farage the prim and proper guardian of British sovereignty. Post the Brexit vote it turns out Boris is not up to the job of leading the British people out of the EU and Nigel's goal was only to get the UK out of the EU the UK's status after that wasn't part of the bit he was committed to (nice of Nigel to tell everyone now) and also important Nigel just wants his life back although he's offered no solution for the British people's predicament that just want their life/future back for them and their children!
Hollywood couldn't have written a kookier script than what has unfolded in this Brexit initiative in the United Kingdom. This writer is not a citizen of the UK so has no legitimate say in how the British people chart their course on this issue. But as a person who is well educated and has a good moral sense I can say with full accuracy that the British people have not been treated fairly with this Brexit referendum it was not a fair vote there is way too much misleading, false statements and promises made to them for a fair vote finding. It shocks the conscience to make the claim that the will of the British people was fairly determined with this referendum vote considering the number of untruths involved, for a country whose history provided the foundation of democracy in the Magna Carta, this June 23 referendum is an affront to democracy for the British people were never given the opportunity to fairly evaluate the referendum question with the falsehoods connected to the campaign. The UK government should void thIs June 23 vote because of this unfairness and re-do this Brexit referendum vote thereby actually giving the British people their fundamental and natural right to have a say on an important question on how they are governed!
The British people were told if they leave the EU the 350 million pounds (like a half of billion dollars) per week the UK paid into the EU would be directed to the UK National Health Service system. The British people were told that if they voted to leave the EU the large number of foreigners migrating into their country every year would stop. The British people were told by the "leave" camp that if they left the EU the UK economy would not be hurt, the "remain" camp was fear mongering with claims of serious negative repercussions. The British people were told that if they voted to leave the EU that the exit would be handled in a considerate manner for the British people where the British people would be given plenty of time to prepare, the UK negotiators would be able to negotiate with the EU negotiators and get favorable terms on all the relevant issues needed for their future relationship with the EU. The British people were told that all the needed by the UK regulation and regulatory agencies for a post EU UK would be in place by the time they exited the EU. The British people were told that if the UK left the EU Scotland would not pursue seceding from the UK and joining the EU that the Scotland referendum held in 2014 which failed was the final word on that issue.
What have the British people and people throughout the world learned since the Brexit vote where the majority of UK voters voted yes to Brexit! That there will be no Brexit financial windfall going to the UK healthcare system after Brexit, the numbers were inflated after factoring in money the EU provides to UK entities the amount is cut in half and post Brexit the UK will still have to pay significant amounts of money to the EU to access the UK markets, that post Brexit because of the separation the UK GDP will drop, the UK is facing bigger budget deficits and any savings resulting will likely be needed to shore up general UK government spending. The British people learned that there will be no drop in migration of foreigners post Brexit, EU leaders have been emphatic and final there will be no migration quotas for the UK, the UK will be treated like everyone else if the UK wants open access to EU markets it will have to accept completely free migration of EU members into the UK. Since the Brexit referendum the British people have seen their currency drop to thirty year lows, their stock market drop ten percent, a certainty of their country's GDP falling and a massive coalescing forming of businesses currently in the UK readying to move parts or the entirety of their business out of the UK and into EU that in fact for all these years one of the extremely valuable assets of the UK was just that it was a foothold for businesses seeking access to the EU market.
Since the Brexit the British people have learned the awful news from EU authorities that there will be no negotiations about a British exit prior to the UK triggering Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which makes the UK's exit from the EU irreversible which means the final state of things for the British people in regard to their relationship with the EU and its member countries and in regard to regulation the EU provided may not be entirely good and the British people will be largely stuck with that outcome! Further the vast majority of EU authorities have indicated that they want the severing of the relationship between the UK and EU once Article 50 is triggered to happen quickly they don't want the instability for their countries of a protracted separation; wisdom would indicate that a two year separation is way too optimistic try one year maximum! Remember this Brexit move by the UK has hurt the financial markets and the economies of the EU member countries prudent leadership by these countries will want to stop and reverse this speedily moving the UK out of the EU will help this goal; moreover, EU member countries stand to gain a significant economic up lift by businesses currently residing in the UK relocating to EU countries post the Brexit EU countries are going to want to expedite this economic benefit as soon as possible and further remember EU countries hold the power in the exit negotiation if the UK doesn't cooperate in an expedited schedule the EU can make the terms of the exit relationship worse for Britain and lastly remember there isn't a lot of love lost between many EU countries in the Euro currency that have had debt problems in recent years causing painful austerity on them and the UK which along with Germany was behind this austerity pressure from Brussels. Since the Brexit referendum vote in fact the very next day as election results were coming in and it was clear the leave vote was winning Scotland authorities made it clear their people's self-determination to remain in the EU was not going to be denied and independence referendum may not be held in the near future but if the Brexit goes through it will definitely be held which will almost certainly prevail meaning that the result of the Brexit initiative will be the British people will lose Scotland as part of the UK and likely Northern Ireland which will likely secede, because they voted to remain, and join the country of Ireland which is part of the EU leaving the British people with a dramatically weakened country!
To top off this mountain of misleading that the people of Britain were subjected to in this Brexit referendum and this is the mother of all tops is that the two main leaders behind this major referendum, characters that acted like Mahatma Ghandhi and Nelson Mandela figures for the movement have for all practical and intensive purposes abandoned the cause! The reference here is to Boris Johnson the high energy high volume leader of the movement and Nigel Farage the prim and proper guardian of British sovereignty. Post the Brexit vote it turns out Boris is not up to the job of leading the British people out of the EU and Nigel's goal was only to get the UK out of the EU the UK's status after that wasn't part of the bit he was committed to (nice of Nigel to tell everyone now) and also important Nigel just wants his life back although he's offered no solution for the British people's predicament that just want their life/future back for them and their children!
Hollywood couldn't have written a kookier script than what has unfolded in this Brexit initiative in the United Kingdom. This writer is not a citizen of the UK so has no legitimate say in how the British people chart their course on this issue. But as a person who is well educated and has a good moral sense I can say with full accuracy that the British people have not been treated fairly with this Brexit referendum it was not a fair vote there is way too much misleading, false statements and promises made to them for a fair vote finding. It shocks the conscience to make the claim that the will of the British people was fairly determined with this referendum vote considering the number of untruths involved, for a country whose history provided the foundation of democracy in the Magna Carta, this June 23 referendum is an affront to democracy for the British people were never given the opportunity to fairly evaluate the referendum question with the falsehoods connected to the campaign. The UK government should void thIs June 23 vote because of this unfairness and re-do this Brexit referendum vote thereby actually giving the British people their fundamental and natural right to have a say on an important question on how they are governed!
