BREAKING: White House proposes path to citizenship for 1.8 million people

[bripat9643]

Deporting the dreamers was never on the table at all. Most of America does not want them deported. Most democrats do not want them deported. Even most republicans do not want them deported. Getting upset that there is Amnesty on the table in that respect is really silly. Particularly when there is real reform as well like moving to a more merit based immigration setting.

Merit based immigration is simply a guise for reducing legal immigration. The vast number of people seeking to become Americans are described on the statue of liberty, the tired, the poor, the homeless, and those seeking to breath free air.

The Trump plan seeks to bring those to the US that have no desire to make America their home. It is unusually for anyone who are successful to give up their home, friends, family, to travel to a strange land and start over again. It is those that have suffered, fought for survival, and endured extreme hardships that want to become Americans today. These people and their descendants as in the past, are the ones that will build a 21st century America. Doctors, lawyers, and scientists in developed countries are not seeking American citizenship. They come for a jobs and return home.

Baseless nonsense. Merit based immigration was passed by the Democrats in the 1960's when the Democrats controlled the WH and both houses of Congress and the Democrats staunchly supported the law right up until Obama became president, hence their staunch defense of the border wall in 2005. All their rants today are strictly partisan politics.

That was 58 years ago. The immigration problem is far different today than then. In the 1960's Democrats were trying to hold on to the Solid South. When it came to immigration legislation they declared that Northern Europeans are a superior subspecies of the white race. The Nordics were superior to the Alpines, who in turn were superior to the Mediterraneans, and all of them were superior to the Jews and the Asians. Trump seems to be taking a similar course which is big mistake.

You're just flailing and posting nonsense. There is nothing racist about merit based immigration, you ignorant bigot. Just look at all the Asian and Indian doctors and engineers and scientists who came to America because of it. And if you weren't so ignorant, you would realize LBJ's merit based immigration overall was passed in 1965, a year after the Civil Rights bill and the same year as the voting rights bill, so your notion the Democrats were trying to hold on to the South when they passed it may have set a new record for ignorance and bigotry on this forum.

What immigration bill are you referring to? Certainly not the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. This Act repealed the national-origins quotas, in place since the 1920s, which had ensured that immigration to the United States was primarily reserved for European immigrants. The 1921 national-origins quota law was racist from start to finish. The formula in the 1921 act was designed to favor Western and Northern European countries and drastically limit admission of immigrants from Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and Southern and Eastern Europe.

The 1965 immigration bill ended an immigration-admissions policy based on race and ethnicity, and gave rise to large-scale immigration, both legal and unauthorized. This is certainly, not a merit based immigration bill. Both Kennedy and Johnson flirted with merit based immigration in hopes of appeasing the South but the bill that passed was the very opposite of merit based immigration.
Fifty Years On, the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act Continues to Reshape the United States

Yep. it is "reshaping" the USA for the worst. We should have left immigration policy as it was.

 

[basquebromance]

"I have to be honest with you. I used to feel compassion for "Dreamers". After their arrogant, demanding response to Trump's overly generous offer, not so much anymore. Trump is sunlighting the vampires..." - Wacky Stephen Miller

they're not Dreamers, they're nightmares!

 

[Fang]

You mean Trump is giving something to get something - as in everyone wins? No, say it ain't so please! LOL

It's a brilliant move by Trump. Now lets see if Democrats really care about the Dreamers.

 

[Flopper]

"I have to be honest with you. I used to feel compassion for "Dreamers". After their arrogant, demanding response to Trump's overly generous offer, not so much anymore. Trump is sunlighting the vampires..." - Wacky Stephen Miller

they're not Dreamers, they're nightmares!

I think what you're hearing is Democrats fighting to maintain family sponsorship and reduction in funds for the Trump wall. Since neither of these two Trump conditions is popular with Democrats or Republicans, look for another government shutdown next month. What Trump should do is just propose the DACA legislation and leave it to Senate and House Republicans to work out a deal with Democrats.

 

[Flopper]

You mean Trump is giving something to get something - as in everyone wins? No, say it ain't so please! LOL

It's a brilliant move by Trump. Now lets see if Democrats really care about the Dreamers.

No, everybody doesn't win. Any US citizen, native born or naturalized will be limited in their ability to sponsor family members desiring to immigrate to the US. Those who had little chance of immigrating to the US except through the lottery certainly won't be happy.

The combination of the 3 Trump conditions:

• Build a wall to keep Latinos from the South out of the US,
• Eliminate the immigration lottery to keep Africans and Eastern Europeans out
• Restrict Americans ability to bring foreign family members into the country

will help fulfill the Trump goal of making America less diverse.

 

[bripat9643]

"I have to be honest with you. I used to feel compassion for "Dreamers". After their arrogant, demanding response to Trump's overly generous offer, not so much anymore. Trump is sunlighting the vampires..." - Wacky Stephen Miller

they're not Dreamers, they're nightmares!

I think what you're hearing is Democrats fighting to maintain family sponsorship and reduction in funds for the Trump wall. Since neither of these two Trump conditions is popular with Democrats or Republicans, look for another government shutdown next month. What Trump should do is just propose the DACA legislation and leave it to Senate and House Republicans to work out a deal with Democrats.

Hmmm, no, not a chance. No Republican wants Lindsey Grahamnesty working out a compromis with Lying Dirty Durbin. Neither do most of the votors.

 

[bripat9643]

You mean Trump is giving something to get something - as in everyone wins? No, say it ain't so please! LOL

It's a brilliant move by Trump. Now lets see if Democrats really care about the Dreamers.

No, everybody doesn't win. Any US citizen, native born or naturalized will be limited in their ability to sponsor family members desiring to immigrate to the US. Those who had little chance of immigrating to the US except through the lottery certainly won't be happy.

The combination of the 3 Trump conditions:

• Build a wall to keep Latinos from the South out of the US,
• Eliminate the immigration lottery to keep Africans and Eastern Europeans out
• Restrict Americans ability to bring foreign family members into the country

will help fulfill the Trump goal of making America less diverse.

Good. Diversity is not a benefit.

 

[Flopper]

"I have to be honest with you. I used to feel compassion for "Dreamers". After their arrogant, demanding response to Trump's overly generous offer, not so much anymore. Trump is sunlighting the vampires..." - Wacky Stephen Miller

they're not Dreamers, they're nightmares!

I think what you're hearing is Democrats fighting to maintain family sponsorship and reduction in funds for the Trump wall. Since neither of these two Trump conditions is popular with Democrats or Republicans, look for another government shutdown next month. What Trump should do is just propose the DACA legislation and leave it to Senate and House Republicans to work out a deal with Democrats.

Hmmm, no, not a chance. No Republican wants Lindsey Grahamnesty working out a compromis with Lying Dirty Durbin. Neither do most of the votors.

What republicans congressmen and voters want or don't want is open to debate but the president putting preconditions on a deal just makes any type of deal that much harder. Even without Trump's conditions, coming up with a deal is going be difficult.

Many House republican want no part of DACA and Democrats in the Senate can block the legislation if DACA is not included. When you throw the wall into the mix, and a radical reduction in legal immigration, you get no democrat votes in the Senate and a half dozen or more republican voting no.

Seems to me we're going to be looking at a shutdown in a few weeks with eventual passage of the bill that includes DACA some money for the Trump wall, a slight modification of sponsorship, and a reduction in size of the immigration lottery.

However if Senate Democrats really want to win the midterms, they need to refuse any funding for Trump's wall and compromise somewhat on sponsorship and the lottery but not DACA. That will force Trump to veto any legislation and start deportations of dreamers. There is nothing that would help democrats more in the the midterms than front page stories of young people being separating from their families and the only home they have every known because of the illegal acts of their parents.

 

[bripat9643]

"I have to be honest with you. I used to feel compassion for "Dreamers". After their arrogant, demanding response to Trump's overly generous offer, not so much anymore. Trump is sunlighting the vampires..." - Wacky Stephen Miller

they're not Dreamers, they're nightmares!

I think what you're hearing is Democrats fighting to maintain family sponsorship and reduction in funds for the Trump wall. Since neither of these two Trump conditions is popular with Democrats or Republicans, look for another government shutdown next month. What Trump should do is just propose the DACA legislation and leave it to Senate and House Republicans to work out a deal with Democrats.

Hmmm, no, not a chance. No Republican wants Lindsey Grahamnesty working out a compromis with Lying Dirty Durbin. Neither do most of the votors.

What republicans congressmen and voters want or don't want is open to debate but the president putting preconditions on a deal just makes any type of deal that much harder. Even without Trump's conditions, coming up with a deal is going be difficult.

So what your saying is that Trump isn't entitled to get anything he wants out of the deal. Do you understand the point of making deals? Do you agree to a mortgage with the bank if you don't get a house to live in?

Many House republican want no part of DACA and Democrats in the Senate can block the legislation if DACA is not included. When you throw the wall into the mix, and a radical reduction in legal immigration, you get no democrat votes in the Senate and a half dozen or more republican voting no.

If not enough of them vote "yes," then a lot of DACA people will be going to Mexico. That's the deal.

Seems to me we're going to be looking at a shutdown in a few weeks with eventual passage of the bill that includes DACA some money for the Trump wall, a slight modification of sponsorship, and a reduction in size of the immigration lottery.

However if Senate Democrats really want to win the midterms, they need to refuse any funding for Trump's wall and compromise somewhat on sponsorship and the lottery but not DACA. That will force Trump to veto any legislation and start deportations of dreamers. There is nothing that would help democrats more in the the midterms than front page stories of young people being separating from their families and the only home they have every known because of the illegal acts of their parents.

The voters are not going to take kindly to the party that shutdown the government for the sake of illegal aliens. Polls show that voters overwhelmingly support the deal Trump is offering. Dims reject it at their peril. If they do, taking them down in 2018 will be like shooting fish in a barrel. I hope the shutdown lasts right up until the election.

 

[Flopper]

"I have to be honest with you. I used to feel compassion for "Dreamers". After their arrogant, demanding response to Trump's overly generous offer, not so much anymore. Trump is sunlighting the vampires..." - Wacky Stephen Miller

they're not Dreamers, they're nightmares!

I think what you're hearing is Democrats fighting to maintain family sponsorship and reduction in funds for the Trump wall. Since neither of these two Trump conditions is popular with Democrats or Republicans, look for another government shutdown next month. What Trump should do is just propose the DACA legislation and leave it to Senate and House Republicans to work out a deal with Democrats.

Hmmm, no, not a chance. No Republican wants Lindsey Grahamnesty working out a compromis with Lying Dirty Durbin. Neither do most of the votors.

What republicans congressmen and voters want or don't want is open to debate but the president putting preconditions on a deal just makes any type of deal that much harder. Even without Trump's conditions, coming up with a deal is going be difficult.

So what your saying is that Trump isn't entitled to get anything he wants out of the deal. Do you understand the point of making deals? Do you agree to a mortgage with the bank if you don't get a house to live in?

Many House republican want no part of DACA and Democrats in the Senate can block the legislation if DACA is not included. When you throw the wall into the mix, and a radical reduction in legal immigration, you get no democrat votes in the Senate and a half dozen or more republican voting no.

If not enough of them vote "yes," then a lot of DACA people will be going to Mexico. That's the deal.

Seems to me we're going to be looking at a shutdown in a few weeks with eventual passage of the bill that includes DACA some money for the Trump wall, a slight modification of sponsorship, and a reduction in size of the immigration lottery.

However if Senate Democrats really want to win the midterms, they need to refuse any funding for Trump's wall and compromise somewhat on sponsorship and the lottery but not DACA. That will force Trump to veto any legislation and start deportations of dreamers. There is nothing that would help democrats more in the the midterms than front page stories of young people being separating from their families and the only home they have every known because of the illegal acts of their parents.

The voters are not going to take kindly to the party that shutdown the government for the sake of illegal aliens. Polls show that voters overwhelmingly support the deal Trump is offering. Dims reject it at their peril. If they do, taking them down in 2018 will be like shooting fish in a barrel. I hope the shutdown lasts right up until the election.

The president's job is to veto or sign legislation and if congressmen can't make a deal the president should step in and provide leadership. It is not the president job to make laws. Yes, I know all presidents at one time or another do this but that doesn't make it right. However, in this case Trump's proposal is going to make a compromise more difficult and increase the chance of a shutdown.

If the congress says no, to the wall Trump will have no option other than to veto the bill and this is what democrats in congress want, Trump going against both congress and the voters. And considering Trump's temperament, Democrats just might get some DACD deportation. With most congressmen and over 80% of the voters supporting DACA, it will pass eventually.

 

[bripat9643]

"I have to be honest with you. I used to feel compassion for "Dreamers". After their arrogant, demanding response to Trump's overly generous offer, not so much anymore. Trump is sunlighting the vampires..." - Wacky Stephen Miller

they're not Dreamers, they're nightmares!

I think what you're hearing is Democrats fighting to maintain family sponsorship and reduction in funds for the Trump wall. Since neither of these two Trump conditions is popular with Democrats or Republicans, look for another government shutdown next month. What Trump should do is just propose the DACA legislation and leave it to Senate and House Republicans to work out a deal with Democrats.

Hmmm, no, not a chance. No Republican wants Lindsey Grahamnesty working out a compromis with Lying Dirty Durbin. Neither do most of the votors.

What republicans congressmen and voters want or don't want is open to debate but the president putting preconditions on a deal just makes any type of deal that much harder. Even without Trump's conditions, coming up with a deal is going be difficult.

So what your saying is that Trump isn't entitled to get anything he wants out of the deal. Do you understand the point of making deals? Do you agree to a mortgage with the bank if you don't get a house to live in?

Many House republican want no part of DACA and Democrats in the Senate can block the legislation if DACA is not included. When you throw the wall into the mix, and a radical reduction in legal immigration, you get no democrat votes in the Senate and a half dozen or more republican voting no.

If not enough of them vote "yes," then a lot of DACA people will be going to Mexico. That's the deal.

Seems to me we're going to be looking at a shutdown in a few weeks with eventual passage of the bill that includes DACA some money for the Trump wall, a slight modification of sponsorship, and a reduction in size of the immigration lottery.

However if Senate Democrats really want to win the midterms, they need to refuse any funding for Trump's wall and compromise somewhat on sponsorship and the lottery but not DACA. That will force Trump to veto any legislation and start deportations of dreamers. There is nothing that would help democrats more in the the midterms than front page stories of young people being separating from their families and the only home they have every known because of the illegal acts of their parents.

The voters are not going to take kindly to the party that shutdown the government for the sake of illegal aliens. Polls show that voters overwhelmingly support the deal Trump is offering. Dims reject it at their peril. If they do, taking them down in 2018 will be like shooting fish in a barrel. I hope the shutdown lasts right up until the election.

The president's job is to veto or sign legislation and if congressmen can't make a deal the president should step in and provide leadership. It is not the president job to make laws. Yes, I know all presidents at one time or another do this but that doesn't make it right. However, in this case Trump's proposal is going to make a compromise more difficult and increase the chance of a shutdown.

If the congress says no, to the wall Trump will have no option other than to veto the bill and this is what democrats in congress want, Trump going against both congress and the voters. And considering Trump's temperament, Democrats just might get some DACD deportation. With most congressmen and over 80% of the voters supporting DACA, it will pass eventually.

I couldn't care less if there is a shutdown. Getting the wall funded and ending chain migration is what I care about. The voters want exactly what Trump is offering, so your claim that they are against Trump is obvious bullshit. Only open-borders Democrates are opposed to it.

 

[Faun]

I think what you're hearing is Democrats fighting to maintain family sponsorship and reduction in funds for the Trump wall. Since neither of these two Trump conditions is popular with Democrats or Republicans, look for another government shutdown next month. What Trump should do is just propose the DACA legislation and leave it to Senate and House Republicans to work out a deal with Democrats.

Hmmm, no, not a chance. No Republican wants Lindsey Grahamnesty working out a compromis with Lying Dirty Durbin. Neither do most of the votors.

What republicans congressmen and voters want or don't want is open to debate but the president putting preconditions on a deal just makes any type of deal that much harder. Even without Trump's conditions, coming up with a deal is going be difficult.

So what your saying is that Trump isn't entitled to get anything he wants out of the deal. Do you understand the point of making deals? Do you agree to a mortgage with the bank if you don't get a house to live in?

Many House republican want no part of DACA and Democrats in the Senate can block the legislation if DACA is not included. When you throw the wall into the mix, and a radical reduction in legal immigration, you get no democrat votes in the Senate and a half dozen or more republican voting no.

If not enough of them vote "yes," then a lot of DACA people will be going to Mexico. That's the deal.

Seems to me we're going to be looking at a shutdown in a few weeks with eventual passage of the bill that includes DACA some money for the Trump wall, a slight modification of sponsorship, and a reduction in size of the immigration lottery.

However if Senate Democrats really want to win the midterms, they need to refuse any funding for Trump's wall and compromise somewhat on sponsorship and the lottery but not DACA. That will force Trump to veto any legislation and start deportations of dreamers. There is nothing that would help democrats more in the the midterms than front page stories of young people being separating from their families and the only home they have every known because of the illegal acts of their parents.

The voters are not going to take kindly to the party that shutdown the government for the sake of illegal aliens. Polls show that voters overwhelmingly support the deal Trump is offering. Dims reject it at their peril. If they do, taking them down in 2018 will be like shooting fish in a barrel. I hope the shutdown lasts right up until the election.

The president's job is to veto or sign legislation and if congressmen can't make a deal the president should step in and provide leadership. It is not the president job to make laws. Yes, I know all presidents at one time or another do this but that doesn't make it right. However, in this case Trump's proposal is going to make a compromise more difficult and increase the chance of a shutdown.

If the congress says no, to the wall Trump will have no option other than to veto the bill and this is what democrats in congress want, Trump going against both congress and the voters. And considering Trump's temperament, Democrats just might get some DACD deportation. With most congressmen and over 80% of the voters supporting DACA, it will pass eventually.

I couldn't care less if there is a shutdown. Getting the wall funded and ending chain migration is what I care about. The voters want exactly what Trump is offering, so your claim that they are against Trump is obvious bullshit. Only open-borders Democrates are opposed to it.

Most Americans are against Trump's wall.

Do you support or oppose building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico?

Support: 34%
Oppose: 63%

Immigration

 

[bripat9643]

Hmmm, no, not a chance. No Republican wants Lindsey Grahamnesty working out a compromis with Lying Dirty Durbin. Neither do most of the votors.

What republicans congressmen and voters want or don't want is open to debate but the president putting preconditions on a deal just makes any type of deal that much harder. Even without Trump's conditions, coming up with a deal is going be difficult.

So what your saying is that Trump isn't entitled to get anything he wants out of the deal. Do you understand the point of making deals? Do you agree to a mortgage with the bank if you don't get a house to live in?

Many House republican want no part of DACA and Democrats in the Senate can block the legislation if DACA is not included. When you throw the wall into the mix, and a radical reduction in legal immigration, you get no democrat votes in the Senate and a half dozen or more republican voting no.

If not enough of them vote "yes," then a lot of DACA people will be going to Mexico. That's the deal.

Seems to me we're going to be looking at a shutdown in a few weeks with eventual passage of the bill that includes DACA some money for the Trump wall, a slight modification of sponsorship, and a reduction in size of the immigration lottery.

However if Senate Democrats really want to win the midterms, they need to refuse any funding for Trump's wall and compromise somewhat on sponsorship and the lottery but not DACA. That will force Trump to veto any legislation and start deportations of dreamers. There is nothing that would help democrats more in the the midterms than front page stories of young people being separating from their families and the only home they have every known because of the illegal acts of their parents.

The voters are not going to take kindly to the party that shutdown the government for the sake of illegal aliens. Polls show that voters overwhelmingly support the deal Trump is offering. Dims reject it at their peril. If they do, taking them down in 2018 will be like shooting fish in a barrel. I hope the shutdown lasts right up until the election.

The president's job is to veto or sign legislation and if congressmen can't make a deal the president should step in and provide leadership. It is not the president job to make laws. Yes, I know all presidents at one time or another do this but that doesn't make it right. However, in this case Trump's proposal is going to make a compromise more difficult and increase the chance of a shutdown.

If the congress says no, to the wall Trump will have no option other than to veto the bill and this is what democrats in congress want, Trump going against both congress and the voters. And considering Trump's temperament, Democrats just might get some DACD deportation. With most congressmen and over 80% of the voters supporting DACA, it will pass eventually.

I couldn't care less if there is a shutdown. Getting the wall funded and ending chain migration is what I care about. The voters want exactly what Trump is offering, so your claim that they are against Trump is obvious bullshit. Only open-borders Democrates are opposed to it.

Most Americans are against Trump's wall.

Do you support or oppose building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico?

Support: 34%
Oppose: 63%

Immigration

That's a loaded question because it doesn't define exactly what "the wall" means. Does it mean a 2000 mile long wall along the entire border, or does it mean a wall half that long in the places where it's most needed? You would get two very different answers to those questions.

Your poll is fake news. Given the source, ABC/WAPO, that's hardly surprising.

A recent poll said 65% of Americans agree with Trumps plan to build the wall, end chain migration and end the visa lottery in exchange for amnesty for DACA.

The Dims are going to lose if they shutdown the government over that.

 

[Faun]

What republicans congressmen and voters want or don't want is open to debate but the president putting preconditions on a deal just makes any type of deal that much harder. Even without Trump's conditions, coming up with a deal is going be difficult.

So what your saying is that Trump isn't entitled to get anything he wants out of the deal. Do you understand the point of making deals? Do you agree to a mortgage with the bank if you don't get a house to live in?

Many House republican want no part of DACA and Democrats in the Senate can block the legislation if DACA is not included. When you throw the wall into the mix, and a radical reduction in legal immigration, you get no democrat votes in the Senate and a half dozen or more republican voting no.

If not enough of them vote "yes," then a lot of DACA people will be going to Mexico. That's the deal.

Seems to me we're going to be looking at a shutdown in a few weeks with eventual passage of the bill that includes DACA some money for the Trump wall, a slight modification of sponsorship, and a reduction in size of the immigration lottery.

However if Senate Democrats really want to win the midterms, they need to refuse any funding for Trump's wall and compromise somewhat on sponsorship and the lottery but not DACA. That will force Trump to veto any legislation and start deportations of dreamers. There is nothing that would help democrats more in the the midterms than front page stories of young people being separating from their families and the only home they have every known because of the illegal acts of their parents.

The voters are not going to take kindly to the party that shutdown the government for the sake of illegal aliens. Polls show that voters overwhelmingly support the deal Trump is offering. Dims reject it at their peril. If they do, taking them down in 2018 will be like shooting fish in a barrel. I hope the shutdown lasts right up until the election.

The president's job is to veto or sign legislation and if congressmen can't make a deal the president should step in and provide leadership. It is not the president job to make laws. Yes, I know all presidents at one time or another do this but that doesn't make it right. However, in this case Trump's proposal is going to make a compromise more difficult and increase the chance of a shutdown.

If the congress says no, to the wall Trump will have no option other than to veto the bill and this is what democrats in congress want, Trump going against both congress and the voters. And considering Trump's temperament, Democrats just might get some DACD deportation. With most congressmen and over 80% of the voters supporting DACA, it will pass eventually.

I couldn't care less if there is a shutdown. Getting the wall funded and ending chain migration is what I care about. The voters want exactly what Trump is offering, so your claim that they are against Trump is obvious bullshit. Only open-borders Democrates are opposed to it.

Most Americans are against Trump's wall.

Do you support or oppose building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico?

Support: 34%
Oppose: 63%

Immigration

That's a loaded question because it doesn't define exactly what "the wall" means. Does it mean a 2000 mile long wall along the entire border, or does it mean a wall half that long in the places where it's most needed? You would get two very different answers to those questions.

Your poll is fake news. Given the source, ABC/WAPO, that's hardly surprising.

Aww, you poor baby. Americans are against building "a wall." Crying, "fake news," is a white flag on your part. Not to mention, every poll reveals the same outcome. Americans are against the wall AND Americans know the U.S. would ultimately pay for it, not Mexico.

 

[bripat9643]

So what your saying is that Trump isn't entitled to get anything he wants out of the deal. Do you understand the point of making deals? Do you agree to a mortgage with the bank if you don't get a house to live in?


If not enough of them vote "yes," then a lot of DACA people will be going to Mexico. That's the deal.

The voters are not going to take kindly to the party that shutdown the government for the sake of illegal aliens. Polls show that voters overwhelmingly support the deal Trump is offering. Dims reject it at their peril. If they do, taking them down in 2018 will be like shooting fish in a barrel. I hope the shutdown lasts right up until the election.

The president's job is to veto or sign legislation and if congressmen can't make a deal the president should step in and provide leadership. It is not the president job to make laws. Yes, I know all presidents at one time or another do this but that doesn't make it right. However, in this case Trump's proposal is going to make a compromise more difficult and increase the chance of a shutdown.

If the congress says no, to the wall Trump will have no option other than to veto the bill and this is what democrats in congress want, Trump going against both congress and the voters. And considering Trump's temperament, Democrats just might get some DACD deportation. With most congressmen and over 80% of the voters supporting DACA, it will pass eventually.

I couldn't care less if there is a shutdown. Getting the wall funded and ending chain migration is what I care about. The voters want exactly what Trump is offering, so your claim that they are against Trump is obvious bullshit. Only open-borders Democrates are opposed to it.

Most Americans are against Trump's wall.

Do you support or oppose building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico?

Support: 34%
Oppose: 63%

Immigration

That's a loaded question because it doesn't define exactly what "the wall" means. Does it mean a 2000 mile long wall along the entire border, or does it mean a wall half that long in the places where it's most needed? You would get two very different answers to those questions.

Your poll is fake news. Given the source, ABC/WAPO, that's hardly surprising.

Aww, you poor baby. Americans are against building "a wall." Crying, "fake news," is a white flag on your part.

The minute anyone points out the flaws in your justifications for open-borders, the insults start flying.

 

[Flopper]

I think what you're hearing is Democrats fighting to maintain family sponsorship and reduction in funds for the Trump wall. Since neither of these two Trump conditions is popular with Democrats or Republicans, look for another government shutdown next month. What Trump should do is just propose the DACA legislation and leave it to Senate and House Republicans to work out a deal with Democrats.

Hmmm, no, not a chance. No Republican wants Lindsey Grahamnesty working out a compromis with Lying Dirty Durbin. Neither do most of the votors.

What republicans congressmen and voters want or don't want is open to debate but the president putting preconditions on a deal just makes any type of deal that much harder. Even without Trump's conditions, coming up with a deal is going be difficult.

So what your saying is that Trump isn't entitled to get anything he wants out of the deal. Do you understand the point of making deals? Do you agree to a mortgage with the bank if you don't get a house to live in?

Many House republican want no part of DACA and Democrats in the Senate can block the legislation if DACA is not included. When you throw the wall into the mix, and a radical reduction in legal immigration, you get no democrat votes in the Senate and a half dozen or more republican voting no.

If not enough of them vote "yes," then a lot of DACA people will be going to Mexico. That's the deal.

Seems to me we're going to be looking at a shutdown in a few weeks with eventual passage of the bill that includes DACA some money for the Trump wall, a slight modification of sponsorship, and a reduction in size of the immigration lottery.

However if Senate Democrats really want to win the midterms, they need to refuse any funding for Trump's wall and compromise somewhat on sponsorship and the lottery but not DACA. That will force Trump to veto any legislation and start deportations of dreamers. There is nothing that would help democrats more in the the midterms than front page stories of young people being separating from their families and the only home they have every known because of the illegal acts of their parents.

The voters are not going to take kindly to the party that shutdown the government for the sake of illegal aliens. Polls show that voters overwhelmingly support the deal Trump is offering. Dims reject it at their peril. If they do, taking them down in 2018 will be like shooting fish in a barrel. I hope the shutdown lasts right up until the election.

The president's job is to veto or sign legislation and if congressmen can't make a deal the president should step in and provide leadership. It is not the president job to make laws. Yes, I know all presidents at one time or another do this but that doesn't make it right. However, in this case Trump's proposal is going to make a compromise more difficult and increase the chance of a shutdown.

If the congress says no, to the wall Trump will have no option other than to veto the bill and this is what democrats in congress want, Trump going against both congress and the voters. And considering Trump's temperament, Democrats just might get some DACD deportation. With most congressmen and over 80% of the voters supporting DACA, it will pass eventually.

I couldn't care less if there is a shutdown. Getting the wall funded and ending chain migration is what I care about. The voters want exactly what Trump is offering, so your claim that they are against Trump is obvious bullshit. Only open-borders Democrates are opposed to it.

I seriously doubt that most voters know enough about the immigration system to understand what Trump is offering. Over 80% of the voters want to see DACA passed and Trump is offering that. They don't like the Trump wall but that's not that important to them, because they know the 2000 mile wall was campaign talk and is now a combination of wall, fences, other enhancements to boarder security. The immigration lottery and sponsorship is far beyond their scope of interest.

 

[Faun]

The president's job is to veto or sign legislation and if congressmen can't make a deal the president should step in and provide leadership. It is not the president job to make laws. Yes, I know all presidents at one time or another do this but that doesn't make it right. However, in this case Trump's proposal is going to make a compromise more difficult and increase the chance of a shutdown.

If the congress says no, to the wall Trump will have no option other than to veto the bill and this is what democrats in congress want, Trump going against both congress and the voters. And considering Trump's temperament, Democrats just might get some DACD deportation. With most congressmen and over 80% of the voters supporting DACA, it will pass eventually.

I couldn't care less if there is a shutdown. Getting the wall funded and ending chain migration is what I care about. The voters want exactly what Trump is offering, so your claim that they are against Trump is obvious bullshit. Only open-borders Democrates are opposed to it.

Most Americans are against Trump's wall.

Do you support or oppose building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico?

Support: 34%
Oppose: 63%

Immigration

That's a loaded question because it doesn't define exactly what "the wall" means. Does it mean a 2000 mile long wall along the entire border, or does it mean a wall half that long in the places where it's most needed? You would get two very different answers to those questions.

Your poll is fake news. Given the source, ABC/WAPO, that's hardly surprising.

Aww, you poor baby. Americans are against building "a wall." Crying, "fake news," is a white flag on your part.

The minute anyone points out the flaws in your justifications for open-borders, the insults start flying.

Crying, "fake news," is not pointing out flaws in my argument. Even worse for you, your own position is so weak, you just tried to tie opposition for the wall to open borders. Yet that is nothing but a falsehood from you. Most illegal immigrants come here legally but then overstay their visa. No wall will prevent that. And there is already fencing and walls along strategic locations on the border. And no walls keep out 100% of those who want to cross, so even adding more will not do much in lowering border crossings. As has been stated more times than anyone can count, fining businesses which hire illegal immigrants would be the most effective measure against illegal aliens. No wall is necessary.

 

[bripat9643]

Hmmm, no, not a chance. No Republican wants Lindsey Grahamnesty working out a compromis with Lying Dirty Durbin. Neither do most of the votors.

What republicans congressmen and voters want or don't want is open to debate but the president putting preconditions on a deal just makes any type of deal that much harder. Even without Trump's conditions, coming up with a deal is going be difficult.

So what your saying is that Trump isn't entitled to get anything he wants out of the deal. Do you understand the point of making deals? Do you agree to a mortgage with the bank if you don't get a house to live in?

Many House republican want no part of DACA and Democrats in the Senate can block the legislation if DACA is not included. When you throw the wall into the mix, and a radical reduction in legal immigration, you get no democrat votes in the Senate and a half dozen or more republican voting no.

If not enough of them vote "yes," then a lot of DACA people will be going to Mexico. That's the deal.

Seems to me we're going to be looking at a shutdown in a few weeks with eventual passage of the bill that includes DACA some money for the Trump wall, a slight modification of sponsorship, and a reduction in size of the immigration lottery.

However if Senate Democrats really want to win the midterms, they need to refuse any funding for Trump's wall and compromise somewhat on sponsorship and the lottery but not DACA. That will force Trump to veto any legislation and start deportations of dreamers. There is nothing that would help democrats more in the the midterms than front page stories of young people being separating from their families and the only home they have every known because of the illegal acts of their parents.

The voters are not going to take kindly to the party that shutdown the government for the sake of illegal aliens. Polls show that voters overwhelmingly support the deal Trump is offering. Dims reject it at their peril. If they do, taking them down in 2018 will be like shooting fish in a barrel. I hope the shutdown lasts right up until the election.

The president's job is to veto or sign legislation and if congressmen can't make a deal the president should step in and provide leadership. It is not the president job to make laws. Yes, I know all presidents at one time or another do this but that doesn't make it right. However, in this case Trump's proposal is going to make a compromise more difficult and increase the chance of a shutdown.

If the congress says no, to the wall Trump will have no option other than to veto the bill and this is what democrats in congress want, Trump going against both congress and the voters. And considering Trump's temperament, Democrats just might get some DACD deportation. With most congressmen and over 80% of the voters supporting DACA, it will pass eventually.

I couldn't care less if there is a shutdown. Getting the wall funded and ending chain migration is what I care about. The voters want exactly what Trump is offering, so your claim that they are against Trump is obvious bullshit. Only open-borders Democrates are opposed to it.

I seriously doubt that most voters know enough about the immigration system to understand what Trump is offering. Over 80% of the voters want to see DACA passed and Trump is offering that. They don't like the Trump wall but that's not that important to them, because they know the 2000 mile wall was campaign talk and is now a combination of wall, fences, other enhancements to boarder security. The immigration lottery and sponsorship is far beyond their scope of interest.

Oh, so if they approve of what you want, they understand what they're agreeing to, but if they want what Trump is trying to pass, then they are ignorant rubes?

Chain migration and the visa lottery are definitely in their scope of interest. Trump got elected mainly because the voters are sick of the immirgation policies you endorse.

Turds like you have done everything possible to cloud the issue of the wall. You're trying to do it now. When a polster asks "do you support the wall," what is that supposed to mean, exactly? Do they support a wall on the eniter 2000 miles of the border? It's amazing that 35% support that. A lot more support the proposition of building about half that much wall where it's really needed.

Nothing an open-borders traitor like you says about immigration can be believed.

 

[Moonglow]

The diversity visa lottery would also be abolished, with those visas going to work through a backlog of people already waiting for family visas and high-skilled immigration green cards.

Canada does the same..

 

[basquebromance]

"He sat there and he looked at us and he heard our cries. I can only hope and pray that he fulfills his promise." - Angel Wife of Hero Cop killed by Illegal