BREAKING : Vance Wields Threat of Sanctions, Military Action to Push putin Into Ukraine Deal

[TimFitz]

I don't think so. The EU will not tolerate it. They made that clear to Vance and Rubio. Germany is declaring a state of emergency.

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newsukraine.rbc.ua

NOBODY is going to go along with what your orange clown wants to do, nor will Trump be allowed to negotiate ANYTHING with Putin, by the rest of the world. See the Afghanistan Peace Treaty, which handed the nation over to the Taliban and didn't even include the Afghan government in the negotiations.

Trump is negotiating with Putin. In other words, Trump will give Putin anything he wants, and the Zelensky won't even be consulted.

Yup.
And the “art of the deal¥ announced that he was going to give away someone else’s store before the first day of negotiations.

Just like he did in Afghanistan.

Lol, but it all started with obama.

"The extent of the Obama administration’s meddling in Ukraine’s politics was breathtaking. Russian intelligence intercepted and leaked to the international media a Nuland telephone call in which she and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Geoffey Pyatt discussed in detail their preferences for specific personnel in a post-Yanukovych government. The U.S‑favored candidates included Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the man who became prime minister once Yanukovych was ousted from power. During the telephone call, Nuland stated enthusiastically that “Yats is the guy” who would do the best job.

Nuland and Pyatt were engaged in such planning at a time when Yanukovych was still Ukraine’s lawful president. It was startling to have diplomatic representatives of a foreign country—and a country that routinely touts the need to respect democratic processes and the sovereignty of other nations—to be scheming about removing an elected government and replacing it with officials meriting U.S. approval."

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

Yes, this is the Moscow line.

The article starts with the fasle equivelancy between Russia’s direct meddling in favor of Trump in the 2016 US Presidential election, and open American support for the Maiden Revolution.

It conveniently forgets that Russia had already invaded and talken Crimea (that was a very inconvenient fact for the author, so best ignored).

nor, sdoes it support the dubious claim that a Ukranians flooded the streets because of Victoria Nuland, although it implies it. (athat notion is an article of faith in the Russian propoganda narrative).

 

[TimFitz]

The EU is weak. They have no say.

They have a lot more cojones than Donald Trump does.

 

[TruthNotBS]

as I expected, so guys what do you think ?



Timothy Snyder: "The West Needs To Abandon The Fantasy That There's Anything We Can Say Or Do To "Make Moscow empire Normal"


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...ook_odd_and_scary_but_we_cant_control_it.html

Ukraine can be a sovereign nation, without joining NATO. The US can form other defense treaties and alliances, with Ukraine, that don't include NATO. Russia is obsessed with NATO, so take that excuse away from them. Russians don't want American missiles in Ukraine, the country that for centuries has been the gate into Russia for most of its past invaders.

 

[Scoutster]

I don't think so. The EU will not tolerate it. They made that clear to Vance and Rubio. Germany is declaring a state of emergency.

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NOBODY is going to go along with what your orange clown wants to do, nor will Trump be allowed to negotiate ANYTHING with Putin, by the rest of the world. See the Afghanistan Peace Treaty, which handed the nation over to the Taliban and didn't even include the Afghan government in the negotiations.

Trump is negotiating with Putin. In other words, Trump will give Putin anything he wants, and the Zelensky won't even be consulted.

The EU is weak they have no influence they can talk about red lines like they did concerning Crimea as well as Obama did and it went nowhere. I knew it wouldn’t then. If there is gonna be a peace, Putin is keeping land that’s what’s gonna happen. Crimea is not going back to Ukraine and they’ll be negotiations about potentially what land he’s taken since. There will also be an agreement that they will not be admitted into NATO.

 

[Dragonlady]

Ukraine can be a sovereign nation, without joining NATO. The US can form other defense treaties and alliances, with Ukraine, that don't include NATO. Russia is obsessed with NATO, so take that excuse away from them. Russians don't want American missiles in Ukraine, the country that for centuries has been the gate into Russia by most of its past invaders.

Thank you for proving where your loyalties lie and proving, once again, your user name is a lie.

The Ukraine wasn't TRYING to join NATO before Russia invaded the Crimea, so Putin brought that one on himself. Using the USA/Cuba situation as an "equivalent" situation ignores the fact that the Russians had load of nuclear missiles on a ship on the way to Cuba. NOTHING similar was happening when Russia invaded the Ukraine.

Go back and study the beginnings of WWII - that's where your equivalencies can be found.

 

[Litwin]

Ukraine can be a sovereign nation, without joining NATO. The US can form other defense treaties and alliances, with Ukraine, that don't include NATO. Russia is obsessed with NATO, so take that excuse away from them. Russians don't want American missiles in Ukraine, the country that for centuries has been the gate into Russia by most of its past invaders.

1. not like The Budapest Memorandum?

if it includes US/EU armed forces stationed in Ukraine , They will agree ...
2. Not Ukraine, but Belarus . and by the way, Moscow empire has invaded Europe many more times. So they want Belarus and Ukr. not for defence but for ATTACKS , for imperialistic Jihad against European civilization

 

[Litwin]

Go back and study the beginnings of WWII - that's where your equivalencies can be found.

+1

FINALLY : Why Stalin—Not Hitler—was WWII's True Mastermind

why nobody talks today about American commie industrialists also help industrialize the Bolshevik empire ? As a history buff , It’s nice to see the truth finally creeping out in increments

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Litwin]

Just more reaction over the Hegseth public statement screwup, that he had to walk back. Looks like Maj Hegseth (the Fox News host) doesn't get to call negotiation policy position at the table.

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/vance-wields-threat-of-sanctions-military-action-to-push-putin-into-ukraine-deal-da9c18ac

byzantine diplomacy or stupidity ? the dirty Mongols are always lying , always ....​

Trump wants U.S., China and Moscow empires to cut military spending in half​

https://www.axios.com/2025/02/13/trump-china-russia-military-spending

 

[Seymour Flops]

The Ruskies are willing to fight a protracted shooting war to redraw Ukraine’s borders in their favor. The Ikrainians are (so far) willing to endure that war to keep their existing border.

Are Americans willing to see U.S. troops sent to die fighting for either side? No. If that happens many Trumpers would turn on Trump.

Vance is playing Bad Cop as part of Trump’s negotiations.

 

[theHawk]

I don't think so. The EU will not tolerate it. They made that clear to Vance and Rubio. Germany is declaring a state of emergency.

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NOBODY is going to go along with what your orange clown wants to do, nor will Trump be allowed to negotiate ANYTHING with Putin, by the rest of the world. See the Afghanistan Peace Treaty, which handed the nation over to the Taliban and didn't even include the Afghan government in the negotiations.

Trump is negotiating with Putin. In other words, Trump will give Putin anything he wants, and the Zelensky won't even be consulted.

Oooo, a “state of emergency”.

The Globohomos that run Germany are going to be kicked to the curb in favor of the AfD.

It’s not like Germany is going to do anything, right? Or do you support them starting their own war against Russia? How’d that work out for them last time?

Afghan is a colossal Biden fuck up, so not sure why you are bringing that up.

Germany isn’t going to do jack shit. Otherwise President Trump will withdraw all of our troops out of Germany.

President Trump can negotiate with Putin all he wants. Nothing little dictator Zelensky can do about it. You may support a little Nazi dictator like Zelensky who cancels elections and remains in power long after his term ended, but we don’t.

But hey, you can always go to Ukraine and join Zelensky’s rainbow pride brigade to fight the fascist Russians yourself. But we all know you wouldn’t do that in a million years.

 

[Litwin]

The EU is weak. They have no say.

no, EU is strong economically, democratically, demographically, etc. but EU is lacking the balls, the radical leftist (and rightest last 20 years ) pro - orient propagandists have removed them . Will they grow back? I think so I think so , We have no other choice

 

[TruthNotBS]

Thank you for proving where your loyalties lie and proving, once again, your user name is a lie.

The Ukraine wasn't TRYING to join NATO before Russia invaded the Crimea, so Putin brought that one on himself. Using the USA/Cuba situation as an "equivalent" situation ignores the fact that the Russians had load of nuclear missiles on a ship on the way to Cuba. NOTHING similar was happening when Russia invaded the Ukraine.

Go back and study the beginnings of WWII - that's where your equivalencies can be found.

DragonShit, the missiles were on their way to Cuba because Kennedy had already deployed nukes in Turkey, which was according to the Russians, way too close to Moscow. So what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If we do that to the Russians then why are we surprised when Russia responds accordingly?

In 2014, Victoria Nuland and her staff in Kyiv, turned a legitimate protest against the Ukrainian government, into a Western color revolution and coup. That coup d'etat led to Russo-Ukrainians in the Donbas and Crimea, running into the arms of Russia, as far away from the Svoboda Party - Russophobic fascist, Kyiv coup government as possible, hence Russia responded to assist their fellow Russians. If you consider that unfair, you're just fucking dishonest. The right-wing Kyiv coup government (Western, pro-NATO puppet government), literally sent neo-Nazi paramilitary groups to kill Russo-Ukrainian opposition in the Donbas and Crimea.

If in January 2021, Russia had sent its politicians to give speeches to Trump supporters in Washington, fanning the flames of what occurred on January 6th, you Democrat Liberals would be SCREAMING FOR WAR, with Russia. That's exactly what you Democrat Liberals did to Russia when you sent these assholes:

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To Kyiv, in order to create chaos on Russia's border. Ukraine is split down the middle between pro-Western EU Ukrainians, who HATE Russia, and Russo-Ukrainians, who side with Russia and identify as Russians AND Ukrainians (Russo-Ukrainians). Ukraine was always a contested borderland, with Eastern Ukraine becoming part of Ukraine, when the Soviets handed it over to the rest of Ukraine, a country that was once part of Poland, Hungary...etc. Western Ukraine was often a disputed territory, and what is today the Donbas, was part of Russia. That's why most of the people who live there are ethnic Russians who speak Russian as their first language, rather than Ukrainian.

The Kyiv coup regime, shouldn't have replaced Viktor Yanukovych with Oleksandr Turchynov and later with Petro Poroshenko's. The Western puppet regime was anti-Russian to the point of supporting right-wing neo-Nazis.

 

[Litwin]

The Ruskies are willing to fight a protracted shooting war to redraw Ukraine’s borders in their favor. The Ikrainians are (so far) willing to endure that war to keep their existing border.

Are Americans willing to see U.S. troops sent to die fighting for either side? No. If that happens many Trumpers would turn on Trump.

Vance is playing Bad Cop as part of Trump’s negotiations.

we will see, your fav. the barbaric orient has no chance against the Liberal order in the long run

 

[Litwin]

Victoria Nuland

fav target of all Moscow propagandacondom, with 1 post you lost all your credibility

FAKE: Victoria Nuland admitted that US has biolabs in Ukraine

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[Deplorable Yankee]

as I expected, so guys what do you think ?



Timothy Snyder: "The West Needs To Abandon The Fantasy That There's Anything We Can Say Or Do To "Make Moscow empire Normal"


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...ook_odd_and_scary_but_we_cant_control_it.html

Where's our money
Where's our money m***********
You need to start digging with your hands for those rare Earth materials

 

[Litwin]

Where's our money
Where's our money m***********
You need to start digging with your hands for those rare Earth materials

 

[Litwin]

 

[Dragonlady]

The EU is weak they have no influence they can talk about red lines like they did concerning Crimea as well as Obama did and it went nowhere. I knew it wouldn’t then. If there is gonna be a peace, Putin is keeping land that’s what’s gonna happen. Crimea is not going back to Ukraine and they’ll be negotiations about potentially what land he’s taken since. There will also be an agreement that they will not be admitted into NATO.

The arrogance and stupidity of Americans when it comes to the people of other nations. Your complete lack of world knowledge is pathetic.

There isn't going to be peace until Putin backs down. If the USA stops assisting, the rest of the first world will continue, and WWIII will begin in earnest. But Putin has to be restrained for the sake of all the nations of the world.

Trump doesn't have the smarts or the balls to do it. The stupid old fuck just tore up all of the deals he made the last time he was in office. The Afghanistan Peace Treaty was a clusterfuck which released thousands of ISIS fighters back into the wild.

 

[Dragonlady]

Where's our money
Where's our money m***********
You need to start digging with your hands for those rare Earth materials

You need to stick your head back up your ass and apologize for your stupidity and rudeness.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

So Vance is threatening WAR??

Are you fucking serious ? You lunatics have been wanting war since this shit started. I firmly believe you bipolar crazies would support the most vile things if the Trump administration was against it.