Breaking: Van runs into crowd outside N. London Mosque

[Coyote]

They aren't wearing veils....

Wearing the veil on the head or the Burqa is not part of English fashion !

They aren't wearing a burka or veil though are they? A hijab is no different then a kippah, shouldn't bother anyone.

It disturbs especially the Arab men ( the dominator) if they do not wear the veil or sometime the burqa who treat the women like shit ... those one that the leftists defend with their beaks and nails each time.

I can see reasons for banning burka's and full face coverings in western societies not the least for public safety - plus, there is nothing in Islam that actually requires it, it's cultural.

And what about this:
Excision is, in its most general sense, the removal of a part of biological tissue. But the term excision is more commonly used to denote the ablation of the clitoral cap or even the entire outer clitoris.
Excision of the clitoris, which is female genital mutilation (FGM), involves removal of the predominant external part of the clitoris (clitoridectomy) and its cap. It is sometimes accompanied by the removal of the labia minora and the suture of the labia majora. This mutilation is illegal in most countries of the world1. Many organizations are campaigning for its worldwide abolition. Excision has several variants that differ in the extent of ablation and related practices.
A friend of mine to meet an Arab woman who underwent this monstrosity and the males of the family face him when he confessed he was disgust
Female genital mutilation - Wikipedia

That too is cultural. There is nothing in Islam mandating it. It's barbaric ritual, primarily in N. Africa where even non-Muslims practice it. It needs to be eradicated and there are many people trying to but there are significant cultural barriers including the fact that women themselves support it as necessary for marriage It's a lot like the practice of burning widows in India - it took a while to end it.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

They do have free speech - no right, including that of free speech - is unlimited.

Free speech in America has reasonable limits. Europe and Canada's limits to free speech are unreasonable because they exist to appease the unreasonable demands of minorities and satisfy the tyranny of the Left.

That is why all these groups want to change your First Amendment to include what they consider "Hate Speech", hate speech = saying nothing to upset the Kebabs and other minorities.

But for instance the Blacks can say Kill All White People and that's not considered hate speech.

Yes it is considered hate speech. But it's not illegal. People who want to change our First Amendment are in a minority - they would encounter stiff resistance from the left and the right, and the ACLU would fight them in court.

Free speech is only valuable if people understand the truth when they hear it.

I support Free Speech, I think EVERYONE should be able to say what they want, if some people are offended then tough shit, grow up and deal with it.

Either we ALL have Free Speech OR there is NO Free Speech for ANYONE. We cannot have partial Free Speech, where people simply because they are Muslim or Brown or Black can say ANYTHING they want to, but people who are not Muslim and are White are told what we can and cannot say and if we criticise ANYTHING about the Muslims that's Hate Speech and we are told to STFU and apologise, get investigated by the police and sometimes even arrested and put in prison.

One of the first things that is going when NORMAL people take back control of our Governments is the Hate Speech Laws are being flushed down the toilet and we'll have 100% Free Speech like we used to have for Centuries.

 

[Dalia]

Wearing the veil on the head or the Burqa is not part of English fashion !

They aren't wearing a burka or veil though are they? A hijab is no different then a kippah, shouldn't bother anyone.

It disturbs especially the Arab men ( the dominator) if they do not wear the veil or sometime the burqa who treat the women like shit ... those one that the leftists defend with their beaks and nails each time.

I can see reasons for banning burka's and full face coverings in western societies not the least for public safety - plus, there is nothing in Islam that actually requires it, it's cultural.

And what about this:
Excision is, in its most general sense, the removal of a part of biological tissue. But the term excision is more commonly used to denote the ablation of the clitoral cap or even the entire outer clitoris.
Excision of the clitoris, which is female genital mutilation (FGM), involves removal of the predominant external part of the clitoris (clitoridectomy) and its cap. It is sometimes accompanied by the removal of the labia minora and the suture of the labia majora. This mutilation is illegal in most countries of the world1. Many organizations are campaigning for its worldwide abolition. Excision has several variants that differ in the extent of ablation and related practices.
A friend of mine to meet an Arab woman who underwent this monstrosity and the males of the family face him when he confessed he was disgust
Female genital mutilation - Wikipedia

That too is cultural. There is nothing in Islam mandating it. It's barbaric ritual, primarily in N. Africa where even non-Muslims practice it. It needs to be eradicated and there are many people trying to but there are significant cultural barriers including the fact that women themselves support it as necessary for marriage It's a lot like the practice of burning widows in India - it took a while to end it.

Coyote is disgusting and barbaric it is this culture of the Arab world that wants to impose laws in Western countries.
Not the same culture at all.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Wearing the veil on the head or the Burqa is not part of English fashion !

They aren't wearing a burka or veil though are they? A hijab is no different then a kippah, shouldn't bother anyone.

It disturbs especially the Arab men ( the dominator) if they do not wear the veil or sometime the burqa who treat the women like shit ... those one that the leftists defend with their beaks and nails each time.

I can see reasons for banning burka's and full face coverings in western societies not the least for public safety - plus, there is nothing in Islam that actually requires it, it's cultural.

And what about this:
Excision is, in its most general sense, the removal of a part of biological tissue. But the term excision is more commonly used to denote the ablation of the clitoral cap or even the entire outer clitoris.
Excision of the clitoris, which is female genital mutilation (FGM), involves removal of the predominant external part of the clitoris (clitoridectomy) and its cap. It is sometimes accompanied by the removal of the labia minora and the suture of the labia majora. This mutilation is illegal in most countries of the world1. Many organizations are campaigning for its worldwide abolition. Excision has several variants that differ in the extent of ablation and related practices.
A friend of mine to meet an Arab woman who underwent this monstrosity and the males of the family face him when he confessed he was disgust
Female genital mutilation - Wikipedia

That too is cultural. There is nothing in Islam mandating it. It's barbaric ritual, primarily in N. Africa where even non-Muslims practice it. It needs to be eradicated and there are many people trying to but there are significant cultural barriers including the fact that women themselves support it as necessary for marriage It's a lot like the practice of burning widows in India - it took a while to end it.

Female Genital Mutilation is one of the most evil crimes, any nation that does not stop this heinous practice should be made into an International Pariah and any savage in a Western nation that commits this heinous practice should be executed.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

They aren't wearing a burka or veil though are they? A hijab is no different then a kippah, shouldn't bother anyone.

It disturbs especially the Arab men ( the dominator) if they do not wear the veil or sometime the burqa who treat the women like shit ... those one that the leftists defend with their beaks and nails each time.

I can see reasons for banning burka's and full face coverings in western societies not the least for public safety - plus, there is nothing in Islam that actually requires it, it's cultural.

And what about this:
Excision is, in its most general sense, the removal of a part of biological tissue. But the term excision is more commonly used to denote the ablation of the clitoral cap or even the entire outer clitoris.
Excision of the clitoris, which is female genital mutilation (FGM), involves removal of the predominant external part of the clitoris (clitoridectomy) and its cap. It is sometimes accompanied by the removal of the labia minora and the suture of the labia majora. This mutilation is illegal in most countries of the world1. Many organizations are campaigning for its worldwide abolition. Excision has several variants that differ in the extent of ablation and related practices.
A friend of mine to meet an Arab woman who underwent this monstrosity and the males of the family face him when he confessed he was disgust
Female genital mutilation - Wikipedia

That too is cultural. There is nothing in Islam mandating it. It's barbaric ritual, primarily in N. Africa where even non-Muslims practice it. It needs to be eradicated and there are many people trying to but there are significant cultural barriers including the fact that women themselves support it as necessary for marriage It's a lot like the practice of burning widows in India - it took a while to end it.

Coyote is disgusting and barbaric it is this culture of the Arab world that wants to impose laws in Western countries.
Not the same culture at all.

"They marched over the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints" Rev 20:9

"Le Camp des Saints" written in 1973 by Jean Raspail, of course in typical fashion it's described as "racist", but it's NOT, Jean Raspail was a visionary, he foresaw what is happening now, what he wrote in his book began to happen in August 2015, the background to how it happened might be different but the stampeding of Third World Hordes from the worst and most backward places on our planet toward the European Continent has happened and IF we don't stop it exactly like what Jean Raspail wrote it will be the end of Western Civilisation and our world as we have known it.

This NIGHTMARE is what the No Borders Crowd are bringing to The West, it is happening NOW, but it can still be stopped.

The Camp of the Saints - Wikipedia

We must stop it, we must NOT live the NIGHTMARE CONCLUSION to The Camp of The Saints, we must taken action against the Third World to prevent their savage filth coming to our beautiful First World.

Look at this from the Commie UN, the Sub-Saharan African population to reach FOUR BILLION by the end of THIS Century, we already have warning signals that within the next ten years 100 MILLION African savages could descend on the European Continent as what is called "Climate Refugees", we must stop this and it'll have to be stopped by a full Military Response to sink any and ALL boats and ships carrying these Walking Biological Weapons, if not it's Western Civilisation that will be sunk.

If you look at the below graph they should have been FORCED to keep their population at no greater than the 1990 level, FORCED ie. sterilised. They left alone breed like rabbits, the graph proves that, they have NO business breeding to uncontrollable levels when they cannot take care of themselves and their offspring.

They are NOT coming to us, they WILL be stopped.

Over Population from the most backward and uncivilised hordes is as dangerous as International Terrorism, these are Human Biological Weapons.

I don't give a crap who thinks this is racist, it's not racist, it's common sense logic.

Like Jean Raspail nobody should be afraid of being called racist or anything, ignore whoever calls you that, this is about OUR survival, **** Africa and **** the Middle Easten hordes, you put your OWN peoples' survival before ANYONE elses.

 

[flacaltenn]

It's the government's job to protect the citizenry. When it fails the citizens go to the ballot box to enact change, when that fails civil unrest may become necessary. That would apply in Europe , the USA or any democracy where the people choose leadership.

When you're dealing with the likes of countries in the ME it's more complex, one faction rules, is deposed and a vacuum is created and another steps up to replace it. Been going on for a millennia.

The problem seems to be being able to assimilate, when you go to another country you adopt that nation's laws, you don't bring your own and expect it to be accepted. Many Muslims do just that but an increasing number refuse to. There is the problem, how do you separate the two? In some cases vetting is impossible, records don't exist or some other reason, how does a nation determine who is safe to let in? It's obvious they can't in Europe and the same problem exists here in the US.

"There is the problem, how do you separate the two? In some cases vetting is impossible, records don't exist or some other reason, how does a nation determine who is safe to let in?"

Which is why the Trump Travel Ban is entirely appropriate, logical and sensible. Considering the majority of these people are coming from literally some of the worst places on this planet, which are very hostile to The West in general and you have no idea who any of these people are - I mean they are not exactly going to announce at the Immigration Desk that they plan to commit acts of terrorism and kill your people - the Trump Travel Ban should not only be for 90 days it should be permanent. Period.

These Activist Groups which include the SPLC and the ACLU are basically Traitors, they do not care about the safety of either the American people or the safety of the American nation, they are using and perverting the American Constitution to go to Leftist Activist Judges to block the Trump Travel Ban and allow in potentially very dangerous individuals under the motto of them being "poor refugees", it's a Trojan Horse.

There is NOTHING in the American Constitution that says you HAVE to allow UNLIMITED amounts of hordes into your nation.

I have no problem with legal immigration if US law is followed, I do however have a problem with this "refugee" crap going on. We have no idea who these people are, their intentions, etc. Hell some of them claim to be teenagers and one look and you know they are late 20's early 30's...no way in hell they should be allowed in, they are lying from the get go

This is identical to what we have faced, where these Activist Groups are saying "poor refugee children" and 90% of them are in their 20s, 30s and some have been in their early 40s. They must think we are stupid.

Also with regard to us, this crowd have left the Middle East into Turkey on the Greek Islands and travelled across ten to twelve SAFE nations to deliberately go to the wealthier European nations where upon they DEMAND to be allowed to stay.

This is completely against the UN 1951 law on what constitutes an actual refugee. A refugee is someone who flees and the first safe nation they arrive in that isn't in a war, they ask to be considered for asylum there.

So in the case of the Kebabs that first safe nation would be Turkey.

They are not refugees, they are Economic Migrants and they've been couched by these NGOs on the ground what to say, where to head for, what to demand and also if ANYONE opposes they've been couched to say "Racist" "Nazi's"

We do need to get over this shit and say **** Political Correctness and NO you CANNOT stay so GTFO already.

I think there is a lot of conflation between refugee, asylum seeker and migrant. A lot of them aren't refugees.

These people have no business being in the West. It's not their countries. They don't belong here. Their religion and ideology isn't compatible with freedom - they don't fit. The reason they were brought in was to destroy the host culture and pave the way for a more Leftist government controlled system.

The reasons for that humanitarian disaster in MidEast are largely that the entire world refused to stem it by providing new safe DEVELOPMENTS (not camps) in the war zones. Then when the Med started to fill up with rafts and floating bodies and MILLIONS tried to pour in -- Europe THEN decided to be "humanitarian" and allow the migration and TRIED to parcel it out all over the map.

Because they see desperate Arabs -- like we "see" Mexicans. It's that short sighted vision of obtaining a low maintenance underclass to fill in for the crashing Euro birth rates. Several problems with that assessment. By the 2 or 3rd generation, this influx WONT be doing menial tasks. At least not the history of "our Mexicans" (sarcasm). Our 2 and 3rd gen Mex are fully integrated into every profession in the USA. The Euros won't be as fortunate. Because they never INTENDED to facilitate assimilation and integration. And that's an error we shouldn't repeat.

The most important vetting question to be asked should be -- Do you INTEND to become a _______ citizen? And if so, why did you choose _______ over other choices? Answer too often with the RECENT wave of "refugees" is --- they didn't HAVE a choice and don't INTEND to be citizens. They just wanted to survive..

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

"There is the problem, how do you separate the two? In some cases vetting is impossible, records don't exist or some other reason, how does a nation determine who is safe to let in?"

Which is why the Trump Travel Ban is entirely appropriate, logical and sensible. Considering the majority of these people are coming from literally some of the worst places on this planet, which are very hostile to The West in general and you have no idea who any of these people are - I mean they are not exactly going to announce at the Immigration Desk that they plan to commit acts of terrorism and kill your people - the Trump Travel Ban should not only be for 90 days it should be permanent. Period.

These Activist Groups which include the SPLC and the ACLU are basically Traitors, they do not care about the safety of either the American people or the safety of the American nation, they are using and perverting the American Constitution to go to Leftist Activist Judges to block the Trump Travel Ban and allow in potentially very dangerous individuals under the motto of them being "poor refugees", it's a Trojan Horse.

There is NOTHING in the American Constitution that says you HAVE to allow UNLIMITED amounts of hordes into your nation.

I have no problem with legal immigration if US law is followed, I do however have a problem with this "refugee" crap going on. We have no idea who these people are, their intentions, etc. Hell some of them claim to be teenagers and one look and you know they are late 20's early 30's...no way in hell they should be allowed in, they are lying from the get go

This is identical to what we have faced, where these Activist Groups are saying "poor refugee children" and 90% of them are in their 20s, 30s and some have been in their early 40s. They must think we are stupid.

Also with regard to us, this crowd have left the Middle East into Turkey on the Greek Islands and travelled across ten to twelve SAFE nations to deliberately go to the wealthier European nations where upon they DEMAND to be allowed to stay.

This is completely against the UN 1951 law on what constitutes an actual refugee. A refugee is someone who flees and the first safe nation they arrive in that isn't in a war, they ask to be considered for asylum there.

So in the case of the Kebabs that first safe nation would be Turkey.

They are not refugees, they are Economic Migrants and they've been couched by these NGOs on the ground what to say, where to head for, what to demand and also if ANYONE opposes they've been couched to say "Racist" "Nazi's"

We do need to get over this shit and say **** Political Correctness and NO you CANNOT stay so GTFO already.

I think there is a lot of conflation between refugee, asylum seeker and migrant. A lot of them aren't refugees.

These people have no business being in the West. It's not their countries. They don't belong here. Their religion and ideology isn't compatible with freedom - they don't fit. The reason they were brought in was to destroy the host culture and pave the way for a more Leftist government controlled system.

The reasons for that humanitarian disaster in MidEast are largely that the entire world refused to stem it by providing new safe DEVELOPMENTS (not camps) in the war zones. Then when the Med started to fill up with rafts and floating bodies and MILLIONS tried to pour in -- Europe THEN decided to be "humanitarian" and allow the migration and TRIED to parcel it out all over the map.

Because they see desperate Arabs -- like we "see" Mexicans. It's that short sighted vision of obtaining a low maintenance underclass to fill in for the crashing Euro birth rates. Several problems with that assessment. By the 2 or 3rd generation, this influx WONT be doing menial tasks. At least not the history of "our Mexicans" (sarcasm). Our 2 and 3rd gen Mex are fully integrated into every profession in the USA. The Euros won't be as fortunate. Because they never INTENDED to facilitate assimilation and integration. And that's an error we shouldn't repeat.

The most important vetting question to be asked should be -- Do you INTEND to become a _______ citizen? And if so, why did you choose _______ over other choices? Answer too often with the RECENT wave of "refugees" is --- they didn't HAVE a choice and don't INTEND to be citizens. They just wanted to survive..

I'm glad you have arrived in this thread, you always are sensible and also you are able to keep me calm, which is an achievement in itself....I fear I've been on the verge of veering out of control and so I need a calming influence to reign me in and so you have arrived

 

[Issa]

It would be lovely if af4ica and middle East stop sending you their natural resources and see how you'll do. Europe, af4ica, and the earth belongs to human kind. Your ancestors were Africans.

The impression I got from the reaction of Britain's politicians to this attack was they were more horrified by this attack on a mosque than they were of the attacks on their own non Moslem citizens.

Looking at the coverage - I don't think so. I think this is just one more.

What I think horrifies them is that the potential for civil unrest and more nutters taking things into their own hands in an eye for an eye retaliation - whether it's Islamic or other. All you need is a car or a knife. How do you combat that?

I wouldn't. Europeans need to rise up and defend their countries. Obviously their politicians won't do it. Sometimes violence is the only answer.

That isn't working so good in Syria....or Libya....

What's the alternative?

There is only one alternative and that's to roll over and die. Not happening, we will NOT roll over and die, we will fight to keep what is OURS, this Continent belongs to US, it is OURS.

Europa for The Europeans.

Africa for The Africans.

The Middle East for the Kebabs.

 

[Issa]

As a Muslim American who wasn't born here I can safely say I've than better than 80% Americans born in this country. So did most Muslims I know. Some employ dozens of American born citizens, some save lives of Americans. Stop your hate!!!!
Refugees are hired in factories in areas where US born men and women couldn't pass drug tests.

What's the alternative?

What's the alternative to what? Civil unrest? Vigilanteism?

I think in another thread there was discussion of what could be done that included such things as:

• making the possession/distribution of terrorism media - like ISIS propoganda etc illegal in the same way child porn is.
• expelling dual citizens who have any connections to terrorism
• better funding for police over all
• better intelligence sharing amongst European countries
• continuing to work with the Muslim communitee on identifying possible radicalization BEFORE it occurs
  
• monitor and shut down mosques that actively preach radical jihadism and violence
  
• working with internet organizations like google etc to quickly identify and remove terrorist propoganda

In the long term though - you need to address the causes and that is a whole lot harder:

• the multiple civil wars and failed states in the Middle East that are creating a power vacuum that groups like ISIS exploit
• the issues that are causing many people to flee and migrate to Europe in droves overwelming Europe's ability to assimilate
  
• human trafficking
• the role of Islam and integrating it with liberal values and rights particularly tolerance
  
• Immigrant assimilation - both from the view point of the immigrant groups and that of the host countries - how can we do it better and what can we learn from countries that are more successful?
  
• deep seated economic and social issues that create a division between immigrant groups and native citizens and create opportunities for radicalism.
• Immigration reform in Europe - correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm thinking Europe - France at least - has or had an open immigration policy for members of former colonies and that, combined with an extremely generous welfare policy encouraged thousands of poor, rural, uneducated, low skilled people to immigrate (bringing with them their Imams) - entire villages immigrated, and, settled into their own communities effectively resisting assimilating into the larger culture. This created a huge pool of necessary low skill labor but did little to either improve the econmic or social mobility of the immigrants or encourage assimilation.

There was an interesting interview I listened to, History Of Our Time: Is Islam Compatible With Democracy? -- and the author made a good point - here is an excerpt:

INSKEEP: Suppose President Trump called you up, said, hi, Shadi, interesting book. What's one thing you'd have me do? How would you answer the president in that case?

HAMID: I think there's really only one path that works in sort of addressing it, and that's finding ways to accommodate Islam's role in public life. And we don't have to like it. So President Trump might have a big problem with Islam, but this is a reality that exists in much of the Middle East and South Asia.

So it's not realistic to say, oh, they all have to become, you know, secular liberals who read John Locke. Even if we might want that, that's not realistic or pragmatic. So we have to find ways to say, hey, you can be a conservative Muslim. You can even be an Islamist as long as you respect the rules of the game and you express your ideas within the law and the Constitution in any of these countries...

INSKEEP: Allowing space for people who believe differently than you do.

HAMID: Exactly. People are going to hate each other for legitimate reasons, but they have to hate each other peacefully.​

It's the government's job to protect the citizenry. When it fails the citizens go to the ballot box to enact change, when that fails civil unrest may become necessary. That would apply in Europe , the USA or any democracy where the people choose leadership.

When you're dealing with the likes of countries in the ME it's more complex, one faction rules, is deposed and a vacuum is created and another steps up to replace it. Been going on for a millennia.

The problem seems to be being able to assimilate, when you go to another country you adopt that nation's laws, you don't bring your own and expect it to be accepted. Many Muslims do just that but an increasing number refuse to. There is the problem, how do you separate the two? In some cases vetting is impossible, records don't exist or some other reason, how does a nation determine who is safe to let in? It's obvious they can't in Europe and the same problem exists here in the US.

"There is the problem, how do you separate the two? In some cases vetting is impossible, records don't exist or some other reason, how does a nation determine who is safe to let in?"

Which is why the Trump Travel Ban is entirely appropriate, logical and sensible. Considering the majority of these people are coming from literally some of the worst places on this planet, which are very hostile to The West in general and you have no idea who any of these people are - I mean they are not exactly going to announce at the Immigration Desk that they plan to commit acts of terrorism and kill your people - the Trump Travel Ban should not only be for 90 days it should be permanent. Period.

These Activist Groups which include the SPLC and the ACLU are basically Traitors, they do not care about the safety of either the American people or the safety of the American nation, they are using and perverting the American Constitution to go to Leftist Activist Judges to block the Trump Travel Ban and allow in potentially very dangerous individuals under the motto of them being "poor refugees", it's a Trojan Horse.

There is NOTHING in the American Constitution that says you HAVE to allow UNLIMITED amounts of hordes into your nation.

I have no problem with legal immigration if US law is followed, I do however have a problem with this "refugee" crap going on. We have no idea who these people are, their intentions, etc. Hell some of them claim to be teenagers and one look and you know they are late 20's early 30's...no way in hell they should be allowed in, they are lying from the get go

People who have nothing to offer America shouldn't be allowed in here anyway. Immigration now is just inviting in more people who have many needs and nothing else to offer. And in the case of muslims, they offer dislike of our way of life and want to change it to the ways of the failed countries they came from. Ultra liberal airheads don't understand this of course

 

[SassyIrishLass]

As a Muslim American who wasn't born here I can safely say I've than better than 80% Americans born in this country. So did most Muslims I know. Some employ dozens of American born citizens, some save lives of Americans. Stop your hate!!!!
Refugees are hired in factories in areas where US born men and women couldn't pass drug tests.

What's the alternative to what? Civil unrest? Vigilanteism?

I think in another thread there was discussion of what could be done that included such things as:

• making the possession/distribution of terrorism media - like ISIS propoganda etc illegal in the same way child porn is.
• expelling dual citizens who have any connections to terrorism
• better funding for police over all
• better intelligence sharing amongst European countries
• continuing to work with the Muslim communitee on identifying possible radicalization BEFORE it occurs
  
• monitor and shut down mosques that actively preach radical jihadism and violence
  
• working with internet organizations like google etc to quickly identify and remove terrorist propoganda

In the long term though - you need to address the causes and that is a whole lot harder:

• the multiple civil wars and failed states in the Middle East that are creating a power vacuum that groups like ISIS exploit
• the issues that are causing many people to flee and migrate to Europe in droves overwelming Europe's ability to assimilate
  
• human trafficking
• the role of Islam and integrating it with liberal values and rights particularly tolerance
  
• Immigrant assimilation - both from the view point of the immigrant groups and that of the host countries - how can we do it better and what can we learn from countries that are more successful?
  
• deep seated economic and social issues that create a division between immigrant groups and native citizens and create opportunities for radicalism.
• Immigration reform in Europe - correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm thinking Europe - France at least - has or had an open immigration policy for members of former colonies and that, combined with an extremely generous welfare policy encouraged thousands of poor, rural, uneducated, low skilled people to immigrate (bringing with them their Imams) - entire villages immigrated, and, settled into their own communities effectively resisting assimilating into the larger culture. This created a huge pool of necessary low skill labor but did little to either improve the econmic or social mobility of the immigrants or encourage assimilation.

There was an interesting interview I listened to, History Of Our Time: Is Islam Compatible With Democracy? -- and the author made a good point - here is an excerpt:

INSKEEP: Suppose President Trump called you up, said, hi, Shadi, interesting book. What's one thing you'd have me do? How would you answer the president in that case?

HAMID: I think there's really only one path that works in sort of addressing it, and that's finding ways to accommodate Islam's role in public life. And we don't have to like it. So President Trump might have a big problem with Islam, but this is a reality that exists in much of the Middle East and South Asia.

So it's not realistic to say, oh, they all have to become, you know, secular liberals who read John Locke. Even if we might want that, that's not realistic or pragmatic. So we have to find ways to say, hey, you can be a conservative Muslim. You can even be an Islamist as long as you respect the rules of the game and you express your ideas within the law and the Constitution in any of these countries...

INSKEEP: Allowing space for people who believe differently than you do.

HAMID: Exactly. People are going to hate each other for legitimate reasons, but they have to hate each other peacefully.​

It's the government's job to protect the citizenry. When it fails the citizens go to the ballot box to enact change, when that fails civil unrest may become necessary. That would apply in Europe , the USA or any democracy where the people choose leadership.

When you're dealing with the likes of countries in the ME it's more complex, one faction rules, is deposed and a vacuum is created and another steps up to replace it. Been going on for a millennia.

The problem seems to be being able to assimilate, when you go to another country you adopt that nation's laws, you don't bring your own and expect it to be accepted. Many Muslims do just that but an increasing number refuse to. There is the problem, how do you separate the two? In some cases vetting is impossible, records don't exist or some other reason, how does a nation determine who is safe to let in? It's obvious they can't in Europe and the same problem exists here in the US.

"There is the problem, how do you separate the two? In some cases vetting is impossible, records don't exist or some other reason, how does a nation determine who is safe to let in?"

Which is why the Trump Travel Ban is entirely appropriate, logical and sensible. Considering the majority of these people are coming from literally some of the worst places on this planet, which are very hostile to The West in general and you have no idea who any of these people are - I mean they are not exactly going to announce at the Immigration Desk that they plan to commit acts of terrorism and kill your people - the Trump Travel Ban should not only be for 90 days it should be permanent. Period.

These Activist Groups which include the SPLC and the ACLU are basically Traitors, they do not care about the safety of either the American people or the safety of the American nation, they are using and perverting the American Constitution to go to Leftist Activist Judges to block the Trump Travel Ban and allow in potentially very dangerous individuals under the motto of them being "poor refugees", it's a Trojan Horse.

There is NOTHING in the American Constitution that says you HAVE to allow UNLIMITED amounts of hordes into your nation.

I have no problem with legal immigration if US law is followed, I do however have a problem with this "refugee" crap going on. We have no idea who these people are, their intentions, etc. Hell some of them claim to be teenagers and one look and you know they are late 20's early 30's...no way in hell they should be allowed in, they are lying from the get go

People who have nothing to offer America shouldn't be allowed in here anyway. Immigration now is just inviting in more people who have many needs and nothing else to offer. And in the case of muslims, they offer dislike of our way of life and want to change it to the ways of the failed countries they came from. Ultra liberal airheads don't understand this of course

To Issa, i never said all Muslims. Learn how to use quote

 

[Issa]

Wroooooooong most Muslim women choose to wear the hijab I speak from experience. Stop hiding behind liberating Muslim women bullshit.

Coyote If They Really Want To Be Integrated Being British Why they don't Take Off Their veil ?

They aren't wearing veils....

Wearing the veil on the head or the Burqa is not part of English fashion !

They aren't wearing a burka or veil though are they? A hijab is no different then a kippah, shouldn't bother anyone.

It disturbs especially the Arab men ( the dominator) if they do not wear the veil or sometime the burqa who treat the women like shit ... those one that the leftists defend with their beaks and nails each time.

 

[Coyote]

"There is the problem, how do you separate the two? In some cases vetting is impossible, records don't exist or some other reason, how does a nation determine who is safe to let in?"

Which is why the Trump Travel Ban is entirely appropriate, logical and sensible. Considering the majority of these people are coming from literally some of the worst places on this planet, which are very hostile to The West in general and you have no idea who any of these people are - I mean they are not exactly going to announce at the Immigration Desk that they plan to commit acts of terrorism and kill your people - the Trump Travel Ban should not only be for 90 days it should be permanent. Period.

These Activist Groups which include the SPLC and the ACLU are basically Traitors, they do not care about the safety of either the American people or the safety of the American nation, they are using and perverting the American Constitution to go to Leftist Activist Judges to block the Trump Travel Ban and allow in potentially very dangerous individuals under the motto of them being "poor refugees", it's a Trojan Horse.

There is NOTHING in the American Constitution that says you HAVE to allow UNLIMITED amounts of hordes into your nation.

I have no problem with legal immigration if US law is followed, I do however have a problem with this "refugee" crap going on. We have no idea who these people are, their intentions, etc. Hell some of them claim to be teenagers and one look and you know they are late 20's early 30's...no way in hell they should be allowed in, they are lying from the get go

This is identical to what we have faced, where these Activist Groups are saying "poor refugee children" and 90% of them are in their 20s, 30s and some have been in their early 40s. They must think we are stupid.

Also with regard to us, this crowd have left the Middle East into Turkey on the Greek Islands and travelled across ten to twelve SAFE nations to deliberately go to the wealthier European nations where upon they DEMAND to be allowed to stay.

This is completely against the UN 1951 law on what constitutes an actual refugee. A refugee is someone who flees and the first safe nation they arrive in that isn't in a war, they ask to be considered for asylum there.

So in the case of the Kebabs that first safe nation would be Turkey.

They are not refugees, they are Economic Migrants and they've been couched by these NGOs on the ground what to say, where to head for, what to demand and also if ANYONE opposes they've been couched to say "Racist" "Nazi's"

We do need to get over this shit and say **** Political Correctness and NO you CANNOT stay so GTFO already.

I think there is a lot of conflation between refugee, asylum seeker and migrant. A lot of them aren't refugees.

These people have no business being in the West. It's not their countries. They don't belong here. Their religion and ideology isn't compatible with freedom - they don't fit. The reason they were brought in was to destroy the host culture and pave the way for a more Leftist government controlled system.

The reasons for that humanitarian disaster in MidEast are largely that the entire world refused to stem it by providing new safe DEVELOPMENTS (not camps) in the war zones. Then when the Med started to fill up with rafts and floating bodies and MILLIONS tried to pour in -- Europe THEN decided to be "humanitarian" and allow the migration and TRIED to parcel it out all over the map.

Because they see desperate Arabs -- like we "see" Mexicans. It's that short sighted vision of obtaining a low maintenance underclass to fill in for the crashing Euro birth rates. Several problems with that assessment. By the 2 or 3rd generation, this influx WONT be doing menial tasks. At least not the history of "our Mexicans" (sarcasm). Our 2 and 3rd gen Mex are fully integrated into every profession in the USA. The Euros won't be as fortunate. Because they never INTENDED to facilitate assimilation and integration. And that's an error we shouldn't repeat.

The most important vetting question to be asked should be -- Do you INTEND to become a _______ citizen? And if so, why did you choose _______ over other choices? Answer too often with the RECENT wave of "refugees" is --- they didn't HAVE a choice and don't INTEND to be citizens. They just wanted to survive..

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

As a Muslim American who wasn't born here I can safely say I've than better than 80% Americans born in this country. So did most Muslims I know. Some employ dozens of American born citizens, some save lives of Americans. Stop your hate!!!!
Refugees are hired in factories in areas where US born men and women couldn't pass drug tests.

What's the alternative to what? Civil unrest? Vigilanteism?

I think in another thread there was discussion of what could be done that included such things as:

• making the possession/distribution of terrorism media - like ISIS propoganda etc illegal in the same way child porn is.
• expelling dual citizens who have any connections to terrorism
• better funding for police over all
• better intelligence sharing amongst European countries
• continuing to work with the Muslim communitee on identifying possible radicalization BEFORE it occurs
  
• monitor and shut down mosques that actively preach radical jihadism and violence
  
• working with internet organizations like google etc to quickly identify and remove terrorist propoganda

In the long term though - you need to address the causes and that is a whole lot harder:

• the multiple civil wars and failed states in the Middle East that are creating a power vacuum that groups like ISIS exploit
• the issues that are causing many people to flee and migrate to Europe in droves overwelming Europe's ability to assimilate
  
• human trafficking
• the role of Islam and integrating it with liberal values and rights particularly tolerance
  
• Immigrant assimilation - both from the view point of the immigrant groups and that of the host countries - how can we do it better and what can we learn from countries that are more successful?
  
• deep seated economic and social issues that create a division between immigrant groups and native citizens and create opportunities for radicalism.
• Immigration reform in Europe - correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm thinking Europe - France at least - has or had an open immigration policy for members of former colonies and that, combined with an extremely generous welfare policy encouraged thousands of poor, rural, uneducated, low skilled people to immigrate (bringing with them their Imams) - entire villages immigrated, and, settled into their own communities effectively resisting assimilating into the larger culture. This created a huge pool of necessary low skill labor but did little to either improve the econmic or social mobility of the immigrants or encourage assimilation.

There was an interesting interview I listened to, History Of Our Time: Is Islam Compatible With Democracy? -- and the author made a good point - here is an excerpt:

INSKEEP: Suppose President Trump called you up, said, hi, Shadi, interesting book. What's one thing you'd have me do? How would you answer the president in that case?

HAMID: I think there's really only one path that works in sort of addressing it, and that's finding ways to accommodate Islam's role in public life. And we don't have to like it. So President Trump might have a big problem with Islam, but this is a reality that exists in much of the Middle East and South Asia.

So it's not realistic to say, oh, they all have to become, you know, secular liberals who read John Locke. Even if we might want that, that's not realistic or pragmatic. So we have to find ways to say, hey, you can be a conservative Muslim. You can even be an Islamist as long as you respect the rules of the game and you express your ideas within the law and the Constitution in any of these countries...

INSKEEP: Allowing space for people who believe differently than you do.

HAMID: Exactly. People are going to hate each other for legitimate reasons, but they have to hate each other peacefully.​

It's the government's job to protect the citizenry. When it fails the citizens go to the ballot box to enact change, when that fails civil unrest may become necessary. That would apply in Europe , the USA or any democracy where the people choose leadership.

When you're dealing with the likes of countries in the ME it's more complex, one faction rules, is deposed and a vacuum is created and another steps up to replace it. Been going on for a millennia.

The problem seems to be being able to assimilate, when you go to another country you adopt that nation's laws, you don't bring your own and expect it to be accepted. Many Muslims do just that but an increasing number refuse to. There is the problem, how do you separate the two? In some cases vetting is impossible, records don't exist or some other reason, how does a nation determine who is safe to let in? It's obvious they can't in Europe and the same problem exists here in the US.

"There is the problem, how do you separate the two? In some cases vetting is impossible, records don't exist or some other reason, how does a nation determine who is safe to let in?"

Which is why the Trump Travel Ban is entirely appropriate, logical and sensible. Considering the majority of these people are coming from literally some of the worst places on this planet, which are very hostile to The West in general and you have no idea who any of these people are - I mean they are not exactly going to announce at the Immigration Desk that they plan to commit acts of terrorism and kill your people - the Trump Travel Ban should not only be for 90 days it should be permanent. Period.

These Activist Groups which include the SPLC and the ACLU are basically Traitors, they do not care about the safety of either the American people or the safety of the American nation, they are using and perverting the American Constitution to go to Leftist Activist Judges to block the Trump Travel Ban and allow in potentially very dangerous individuals under the motto of them being "poor refugees", it's a Trojan Horse.

There is NOTHING in the American Constitution that says you HAVE to allow UNLIMITED amounts of hordes into your nation.

I have no problem with legal immigration if US law is followed, I do however have a problem with this "refugee" crap going on. We have no idea who these people are, their intentions, etc. Hell some of them claim to be teenagers and one look and you know they are late 20's early 30's...no way in hell they should be allowed in, they are lying from the get go

People who have nothing to offer America shouldn't be allowed in here anyway. Immigration now is just inviting in more people who have many needs and nothing else to offer. And in the case of muslims, they offer dislike of our way of life and want to change it to the ways of the failed countries they came from. Ultra liberal airheads don't understand this of course

"As a Muslim American who wasn't born here I can safely say I've than better than 80% Americans born in this country. So did most Muslims I know. Some employ dozens of American born citizens, some save lives of Americans. Stop your hate!!!!
Refugees are hired in factories in areas where US born men and women couldn't pass drug tests."

So you are saying that you think you are better than 80% of Americans born in America and that most American men and women are drug addicts who couldn't pass a drug test.

Okay, whatever

So ridiculous American Immigration Law allowed you into America, now you trash 80% of Americans and say most American men and women are drug addicts who couldn't pass a drug test, so maybe you should just go back to Morocco then if you hate American people that much. There is no war in Morocco, so there's no reason why you can't return to your homeland is there.

You ungrateful Moroccan Camel Jockey.

 

[Issa]

I'm from N africa...and it's not a common practice at all, it's more of south,East Asian and Corn of Africa thingy. Purely cultural has nothing to do with Islam, same with honor killing.

Wearing the veil on the head or the Burqa is not part of English fashion !

They aren't wearing a burka or veil though are they? A hijab is no different then a kippah, shouldn't bother anyone.

It disturbs especially the Arab men ( the dominator) if they do not wear the veil or sometime the burqa who treat the women like shit ... those one that the leftists defend with their beaks and nails each time.

I can see reasons for banning burka's and full face coverings in western societies not the least for public safety - plus, there is nothing in Islam that actually requires it, it's cultural.

And what about this:
Excision is, in its most general sense, the removal of a part of biological tissue. But the term excision is more commonly used to denote the ablation of the clitoral cap or even the entire outer clitoris.
Excision of the clitoris, which is female genital mutilation (FGM), involves removal of the predominant external part of the clitoris (clitoridectomy) and its cap. It is sometimes accompanied by the removal of the labia minora and the suture of the labia majora. This mutilation is illegal in most countries of the world1. Many organizations are campaigning for its worldwide abolition. Excision has several variants that differ in the extent of ablation and related practices.
A friend of mine to meet an Arab woman who underwent this monstrosity and the males of the family face him when he confessed he was disgust
Female genital mutilation - Wikipedia

That too is cultural. There is nothing in Islam mandating it. It's barbaric ritual, primarily in N. Africa where even non-Muslims practice it. It needs to be eradicated and there are many people trying to but there are significant cultural barriers including the fact that women themselves support it as necessary for marriage It's a lot like the practice of burning widows in India - it took a while to end it.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

I have no problem with legal immigration if US law is followed, I do however have a problem with this "refugee" crap going on. We have no idea who these people are, their intentions, etc. Hell some of them claim to be teenagers and one look and you know they are late 20's early 30's...no way in hell they should be allowed in, they are lying from the get go

This is identical to what we have faced, where these Activist Groups are saying "poor refugee children" and 90% of them are in their 20s, 30s and some have been in their early 40s. They must think we are stupid.

Also with regard to us, this crowd have left the Middle East into Turkey on the Greek Islands and travelled across ten to twelve SAFE nations to deliberately go to the wealthier European nations where upon they DEMAND to be allowed to stay.

This is completely against the UN 1951 law on what constitutes an actual refugee. A refugee is someone who flees and the first safe nation they arrive in that isn't in a war, they ask to be considered for asylum there.

So in the case of the Kebabs that first safe nation would be Turkey.

They are not refugees, they are Economic Migrants and they've been couched by these NGOs on the ground what to say, where to head for, what to demand and also if ANYONE opposes they've been couched to say "Racist" "Nazi's"

We do need to get over this shit and say **** Political Correctness and NO you CANNOT stay so GTFO already.

I think there is a lot of conflation between refugee, asylum seeker and migrant. A lot of them aren't refugees.

These people have no business being in the West. It's not their countries. They don't belong here. Their religion and ideology isn't compatible with freedom - they don't fit. The reason they were brought in was to destroy the host culture and pave the way for a more Leftist government controlled system.

The reasons for that humanitarian disaster in MidEast are largely that the entire world refused to stem it by providing new safe DEVELOPMENTS (not camps) in the war zones. Then when the Med started to fill up with rafts and floating bodies and MILLIONS tried to pour in -- Europe THEN decided to be "humanitarian" and allow the migration and TRIED to parcel it out all over the map.

Because they see desperate Arabs -- like we "see" Mexicans. It's that short sighted vision of obtaining a low maintenance underclass to fill in for the crashing Euro birth rates. Several problems with that assessment. By the 2 or 3rd generation, this influx WONT be doing menial tasks. At least not the history of "our Mexicans" (sarcasm). Our 2 and 3rd gen Mex are fully integrated into every profession in the USA. The Euros won't be as fortunate. Because they never INTENDED to facilitate assimilation and integration. And that's an error we shouldn't repeat.

The most important vetting question to be asked should be -- Do you INTEND to become a _______ citizen? And if so, why did you choose _______ over other choices? Answer too often with the RECENT wave of "refugees" is --- they didn't HAVE a choice and don't INTEND to be citizens. They just wanted to survive..

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

 

[Issa]

Lol oh now you are fabricating lies.
I love this country and would fight for it and it's my home.
I answered the fool who said we don't need Muslims here and I explained to him, that Muslims can do better than lot of Americans who were born here.
And yes some states bring in refugees cause they couldn't find people to hire, it was all over the news Google it.

As a Muslim American who wasn't born here I can safely say I've than better than 80% Americans born in this country. So did most Muslims I know. Some employ dozens of American born citizens, some save lives of Americans. Stop your hate!!!!
Refugees are hired in factories in areas where US born men and women couldn't pass drug tests.

It's the government's job to protect the citizenry. When it fails the citizens go to the ballot box to enact change, when that fails civil unrest may become necessary. That would apply in Europe , the USA or any democracy where the people choose leadership.

When you're dealing with the likes of countries in the ME it's more complex, one faction rules, is deposed and a vacuum is created and another steps up to replace it. Been going on for a millennia.

The problem seems to be being able to assimilate, when you go to another country you adopt that nation's laws, you don't bring your own and expect it to be accepted. Many Muslims do just that but an increasing number refuse to. There is the problem, how do you separate the two? In some cases vetting is impossible, records don't exist or some other reason, how does a nation determine who is safe to let in? It's obvious they can't in Europe and the same problem exists here in the US.

"There is the problem, how do you separate the two? In some cases vetting is impossible, records don't exist or some other reason, how does a nation determine who is safe to let in?"

Which is why the Trump Travel Ban is entirely appropriate, logical and sensible. Considering the majority of these people are coming from literally some of the worst places on this planet, which are very hostile to The West in general and you have no idea who any of these people are - I mean they are not exactly going to announce at the Immigration Desk that they plan to commit acts of terrorism and kill your people - the Trump Travel Ban should not only be for 90 days it should be permanent. Period.

These Activist Groups which include the SPLC and the ACLU are basically Traitors, they do not care about the safety of either the American people or the safety of the American nation, they are using and perverting the American Constitution to go to Leftist Activist Judges to block the Trump Travel Ban and allow in potentially very dangerous individuals under the motto of them being "poor refugees", it's a Trojan Horse.

There is NOTHING in the American Constitution that says you HAVE to allow UNLIMITED amounts of hordes into your nation.

I have no problem with legal immigration if US law is followed, I do however have a problem with this "refugee" crap going on. We have no idea who these people are, their intentions, etc. Hell some of them claim to be teenagers and one look and you know they are late 20's early 30's...no way in hell they should be allowed in, they are lying from the get go

People who have nothing to offer America shouldn't be allowed in here anyway. Immigration now is just inviting in more people who have many needs and nothing else to offer. And in the case of muslims, they offer dislike of our way of life and want to change it to the ways of the failed countries they came from. Ultra liberal airheads don't understand this of course

"As a Muslim American who wasn't born here I can safely say I've than better than 80% Americans born in this country. So did most Muslims I know. Some employ dozens of American born citizens, some save lives of Americans. Stop your hate!!!!
Refugees are hired in factories in areas where US born men and women couldn't pass drug tests."

So you are saying that you think you are better than 80% of Americans born in American and that most American men and women are drug addicts who couldn't pass a drug test.

Okay, whatever

So ridiculous American Immigration Law allowed you into America, now you trash 80% of Americans and say most American men and women are drug addicts who couldn't pass a drug test, so maybe you should just go back to Morocco then if you hate American people that much.

You ungrateful Moroccan Camel Jockey.

 

[flacaltenn]

I have no problem with legal immigration if US law is followed, I do however have a problem with this "refugee" crap going on. We have no idea who these people are, their intentions, etc. Hell some of them claim to be teenagers and one look and you know they are late 20's early 30's...no way in hell they should be allowed in, they are lying from the get go

This is identical to what we have faced, where these Activist Groups are saying "poor refugee children" and 90% of them are in their 20s, 30s and some have been in their early 40s. They must think we are stupid.

Also with regard to us, this crowd have left the Middle East into Turkey on the Greek Islands and travelled across ten to twelve SAFE nations to deliberately go to the wealthier European nations where upon they DEMAND to be allowed to stay.

This is completely against the UN 1951 law on what constitutes an actual refugee. A refugee is someone who flees and the first safe nation they arrive in that isn't in a war, they ask to be considered for asylum there.

So in the case of the Kebabs that first safe nation would be Turkey.

They are not refugees, they are Economic Migrants and they've been couched by these NGOs on the ground what to say, where to head for, what to demand and also if ANYONE opposes they've been couched to say "Racist" "Nazi's"

We do need to get over this shit and say **** Political Correctness and NO you CANNOT stay so GTFO already.

I think there is a lot of conflation between refugee, asylum seeker and migrant. A lot of them aren't refugees.

These people have no business being in the West. It's not their countries. They don't belong here. Their religion and ideology isn't compatible with freedom - they don't fit. The reason they were brought in was to destroy the host culture and pave the way for a more Leftist government controlled system.

The reasons for that humanitarian disaster in MidEast are largely that the entire world refused to stem it by providing new safe DEVELOPMENTS (not camps) in the war zones. Then when the Med started to fill up with rafts and floating bodies and MILLIONS tried to pour in -- Europe THEN decided to be "humanitarian" and allow the migration and TRIED to parcel it out all over the map.

Because they see desperate Arabs -- like we "see" Mexicans. It's that short sighted vision of obtaining a low maintenance underclass to fill in for the crashing Euro birth rates. Several problems with that assessment. By the 2 or 3rd generation, this influx WONT be doing menial tasks. At least not the history of "our Mexicans" (sarcasm). Our 2 and 3rd gen Mex are fully integrated into every profession in the USA. The Euros won't be as fortunate. Because they never INTENDED to facilitate assimilation and integration. And that's an error we shouldn't repeat.

The most important vetting question to be asked should be -- Do you INTEND to become a _______ citizen? And if so, why did you choose _______ over other choices? Answer too often with the RECENT wave of "refugees" is --- they didn't HAVE a choice and don't INTEND to be citizens. They just wanted to survive..

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

Not a lot of optimists in Somalia. For valid reasons. But at OTHER times, when the bombs are not dropping and people dying daily outside their door -- The ones that WANT more liberty and WANT more opportunity -- are welcome to come. And they KNOW WHY they are coming..

 

[Coyote]

I'm from N africa...and it's not a common practice at all, it's more of south,East Asian and Corn of Africa thingy. Purely cultural has nothing to do with Islam, same with honor killing.

I stand corrected - was looking it up on UNICEF and this is what they showed for prevalence:

And in those regions - it's done irregardless of religion.

 

[Issa]

Europe is aging and they need migrants. Is a win win.

This is identical to what we have faced, where these Activist Groups are saying "poor refugee children" and 90% of them are in their 20s, 30s and some have been in their early 40s. They must think we are stupid.

Also with regard to us, this crowd have left the Middle East into Turkey on the Greek Islands and travelled across ten to twelve SAFE nations to deliberately go to the wealthier European nations where upon they DEMAND to be allowed to stay.

This is completely against the UN 1951 law on what constitutes an actual refugee. A refugee is someone who flees and the first safe nation they arrive in that isn't in a war, they ask to be considered for asylum there.

So in the case of the Kebabs that first safe nation would be Turkey.

They are not refugees, they are Economic Migrants and they've been couched by these NGOs on the ground what to say, where to head for, what to demand and also if ANYONE opposes they've been couched to say "Racist" "Nazi's"

We do need to get over this shit and say **** Political Correctness and NO you CANNOT stay so GTFO already.

I think there is a lot of conflation between refugee, asylum seeker and migrant. A lot of them aren't refugees.

These people have no business being in the West. It's not their countries. They don't belong here. Their religion and ideology isn't compatible with freedom - they don't fit. The reason they were brought in was to destroy the host culture and pave the way for a more Leftist government controlled system.

The reasons for that humanitarian disaster in MidEast are largely that the entire world refused to stem it by providing new safe DEVELOPMENTS (not camps) in the war zones. Then when the Med started to fill up with rafts and floating bodies and MILLIONS tried to pour in -- Europe THEN decided to be "humanitarian" and allow the migration and TRIED to parcel it out all over the map.

Because they see desperate Arabs -- like we "see" Mexicans. It's that short sighted vision of obtaining a low maintenance underclass to fill in for the crashing Euro birth rates. Several problems with that assessment. By the 2 or 3rd generation, this influx WONT be doing menial tasks. At least not the history of "our Mexicans" (sarcasm). Our 2 and 3rd gen Mex are fully integrated into every profession in the USA. The Euros won't be as fortunate. Because they never INTENDED to facilitate assimilation and integration. And that's an error we shouldn't repeat.

The most important vetting question to be asked should be -- Do you INTEND to become a _______ citizen? And if so, why did you choose _______ over other choices? Answer too often with the RECENT wave of "refugees" is --- they didn't HAVE a choice and don't INTEND to be citizens. They just wanted to survive..

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

 

[Coyote]

This is identical to what we have faced, where these Activist Groups are saying "poor refugee children" and 90% of them are in their 20s, 30s and some have been in their early 40s. They must think we are stupid.

Also with regard to us, this crowd have left the Middle East into Turkey on the Greek Islands and travelled across ten to twelve SAFE nations to deliberately go to the wealthier European nations where upon they DEMAND to be allowed to stay.

This is completely against the UN 1951 law on what constitutes an actual refugee. A refugee is someone who flees and the first safe nation they arrive in that isn't in a war, they ask to be considered for asylum there.

So in the case of the Kebabs that first safe nation would be Turkey.

They are not refugees, they are Economic Migrants and they've been couched by these NGOs on the ground what to say, where to head for, what to demand and also if ANYONE opposes they've been couched to say "Racist" "Nazi's"

We do need to get over this shit and say **** Political Correctness and NO you CANNOT stay so GTFO already.

I think there is a lot of conflation between refugee, asylum seeker and migrant. A lot of them aren't refugees.

These people have no business being in the West. It's not their countries. They don't belong here. Their religion and ideology isn't compatible with freedom - they don't fit. The reason they were brought in was to destroy the host culture and pave the way for a more Leftist government controlled system.

The reasons for that humanitarian disaster in MidEast are largely that the entire world refused to stem it by providing new safe DEVELOPMENTS (not camps) in the war zones. Then when the Med started to fill up with rafts and floating bodies and MILLIONS tried to pour in -- Europe THEN decided to be "humanitarian" and allow the migration and TRIED to parcel it out all over the map.

Because they see desperate Arabs -- like we "see" Mexicans. It's that short sighted vision of obtaining a low maintenance underclass to fill in for the crashing Euro birth rates. Several problems with that assessment. By the 2 or 3rd generation, this influx WONT be doing menial tasks. At least not the history of "our Mexicans" (sarcasm). Our 2 and 3rd gen Mex are fully integrated into every profession in the USA. The Euros won't be as fortunate. Because they never INTENDED to facilitate assimilation and integration. And that's an error we shouldn't repeat.

The most important vetting question to be asked should be -- Do you INTEND to become a _______ citizen? And if so, why did you choose _______ over other choices? Answer too often with the RECENT wave of "refugees" is --- they didn't HAVE a choice and don't INTEND to be citizens. They just wanted to survive..

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

Or their nations are undergoing severe privation and famine.