BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...

[Shusha]

IOW, not Palestinian.

Okay, now you are confusing even me in your attempt to run away from answering questions. You are telling me you can't tell the difference between a Jewish Palestinian and an Arab Palestinian?

I am not sure I can untangle your confusion.

Of course you can't. Your intent is to cause confusion so people don't realize how bizarre your arguments are.

 

[rylah]

IOW, not Palestinian.

Okay, now you are confusing even me in your attempt to run away from answering questions. You are telling me you can't tell the difference between a Jewish Palestinian and an Arab Palestinian?

I am not sure I can untangle your confusion.

Of course you can't. Your intent is to cause confusion so people don't realize how bizarre your arguments are.

The same laughter You use to hide behind, when dealing with Palestinian Jews that have been massacred by their fellow Arab neighbors before Israel was reestablished.

Laughing it off is convenient for keeping the denial.
The real apartheid, is in pan-Arab ideologies promoted by the Palestinian Arabs - and this is exactly what You support.

Do You see an independent Palestine here? No. But keep pretending.

 

[Roudy]

RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, you are confused in your application of the law. It is the Arabs that either made direct threats to attack --- or --- actually made an attack. By definition, they are the aggressor (albeit unsuccessful aggressors).

It is my understanding that colonial powers do not have a right to aggression against a dependent people.

(COMMENT)

First, Israel is not a colonial power. It is not listed as a colonial power and no Arab Territory anywhere in the Middle East is considered a colonial holding. It has settlements that are authorized under a joint Israeli-Palestinian Agreement under the Oslo II Accords [Area "C" (full Israeli civil and security control)]; .

Second, Israel made no act of aggression against any Arab Palestinian Sovereignty. In 1967, the West Bank was under the sovereign control of the Jordanians, and the Gaza Strip was under the Military Governorship of Egypt. Both of those issue were resolved, independently by Treaty.

Third, Israel has had the right of self-defense from acts of war, Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence, that threaten the peace and security of the Israeli People.

The act of aggression in 1948 (Arab League on mass attacks first), 1967 (Egypt push UN Emergency Force out of the buffer zone and rush the Egyptian Army forward to stage for assault, and Jordan opens up an artillery barrage), and 1973 (surprise attack by multiple Arab League nations), were on the part of the Arab League and the associate Arab Palestinians combatants. The members of the Arab League – used an armed force (or threatened and intimidated the use of an armed force) against the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel --- manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations – was committed.

The territories, often referred to as the territory occupied since 1967, were taken as they were overrun by advancing Israeli Forces in pursuit of Arab aggressor forces in retreat.

Most Respectfully,
R

Colonization was the initial aggression.

People do not get colonized voluntarily.

What country is Israel a colony of, dufus?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, you are confused in your application of the law. It is the Arabs that either made direct threats to attack --- or --- actually made an attack. By definition, they are the aggressor (albeit unsuccessful aggressors).

It is my understanding that colonial powers do not have a right to aggression against a dependent people.

(COMMENT)

First, Israel is not a colonial power. It is not listed as a colonial power and no Arab Territory anywhere in the Middle East is considered a colonial holding. It has settlements that are authorized under a joint Israeli-Palestinian Agreement under the Oslo II Accords [Area "C" (full Israeli civil and security control)]; .

Second, Israel made no act of aggression against any Arab Palestinian Sovereignty. In 1967, the West Bank was under the sovereign control of the Jordanians, and the Gaza Strip was under the Military Governorship of Egypt. Both of those issue were resolved, independently by Treaty.

Third, Israel has had the right of self-defense from acts of war, Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence, that threaten the peace and security of the Israeli People.

The act of aggression in 1948 (Arab League on mass attacks first), 1967 (Egypt push UN Emergency Force out of the buffer zone and rush the Egyptian Army forward to stage for assault, and Jordan opens up an artillery barrage), and 1973 (surprise attack by multiple Arab League nations), were on the part of the Arab League and the associate Arab Palestinians combatants. The members of the Arab League – used an armed force (or threatened and intimidated the use of an armed force) against the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel --- manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations – was committed.

The territories, often referred to as the territory occupied since 1967, were taken as they were overrun by advancing Israeli Forces in pursuit of Arab aggressor forces in retreat.

Most Respectfully,
R

Colonization was the initial aggression.

People do not get colonized voluntarily.

What country is Israel a colony of, dufus?

Oh jeese!

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, if the accusation is that Israel is either the colony of a colonial power --- or --- is itself a colonial power, then it is a very legitimate question.

Can you define your terms?
---- THEN ----
Can you answer the question?

[QUOTE="Roudy, post: 18233272, member: 36154"
What country is Israel a colony of, dufus?

Oh jeese! [/QUOTE]
(COMMENT)

Remember, the West Bank settlements are IAW the Agreement between the PLO and Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Roudy]

RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, you are confused in your application of the law. It is the Arabs that either made direct threats to attack --- or --- actually made an attack. By definition, they are the aggressor (albeit unsuccessful aggressors).

It is my understanding that colonial powers do not have a right to aggression against a dependent people.

(COMMENT)

First, Israel is not a colonial power. It is not listed as a colonial power and no Arab Territory anywhere in the Middle East is considered a colonial holding. It has settlements that are authorized under a joint Israeli-Palestinian Agreement under the Oslo II Accords [Area "C" (full Israeli civil and security control)]; .

Second, Israel made no act of aggression against any Arab Palestinian Sovereignty. In 1967, the West Bank was under the sovereign control of the Jordanians, and the Gaza Strip was under the Military Governorship of Egypt. Both of those issue were resolved, independently by Treaty.

Third, Israel has had the right of self-defense from acts of war, Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence, that threaten the peace and security of the Israeli People.

The act of aggression in 1948 (Arab League on mass attacks first), 1967 (Egypt push UN Emergency Force out of the buffer zone and rush the Egyptian Army forward to stage for assault, and Jordan opens up an artillery barrage), and 1973 (surprise attack by multiple Arab League nations), were on the part of the Arab League and the associate Arab Palestinians combatants. The members of the Arab League – used an armed force (or threatened and intimidated the use of an armed force) against the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel --- manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations – was committed.

The territories, often referred to as the territory occupied since 1967, were taken as they were overrun by advancing Israeli Forces in pursuit of Arab aggressor forces in retreat.

Most Respectfully,
R

Colonization was the initial aggression.

People do not get colonized voluntarily.

What country is Israel a colony of, dufus?

Oh jeese!

Camel got your tongue? Or maybe you don't know the definition of colony?

colony | Definition of colony in English by Oxford Dictionaries

COLONY
Noun
A country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by settlers from that country.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, if the accusation is that Israel is either the colony of a colonial power --- or --- is itself a colonial power, then it is a very legitimate question.

Can you define your terms?
---- THEN ----
Can you answer the question?

[QUOTE="Roudy, post: 18233272, member: 36154"
What country is Israel a colony of, dufus?

Oh jeese!

(COMMENT)

Remember, the West Bank settlements are IAW the Agreement between the PLO and Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R[/QUOTE]
That is way late in the process.

Classic colonialism is when a colonial power takes over a country to exploit resources and labor. Like India.

Settler colonialism is a group of people who go to a country to shove the locals aside and take the place over for themselves. Like the US and Israel.

Of course in the case of the US conquest was not illegal. But conquest was illegal when Israel conquered Palestine.

 

[Shusha]

Classic colonialism is when a colonial power takes over a country to exploit resources and labor. Like India.

Settler colonialism is a group of people who go to a country to shove the locals aside and take the place over for themselves. Like the US and Israel.

Of course in the case of the US conquest was not illegal. But conquest was illegal when Israel conquered Palestine.

To say that British, French and Spanish settler colonists are equivalent to the national liberation movement of the Jewish people is a false narrative. The settler colonists of the Americas, had a mother country from which they came and which expected to benefit from the exploitation of resources in the colonies.

You also have a problem with your narrative of the Arabs BEING colonialist (either as settlers or, as monte prefers, as a colonial power) in that they DID shove the locals aside and take the place over for themselves. The last in a long line of colonial powers which removed the rights of the indigenous Jewish peoples.

And you set yourself up for an even bigger problem with the desire for the "return" of the Arabs to Israel -- you reject the return of the Jewish people to their historical and ancestral lands as settler colonialism and then proceed to demand that Arab "Palestinian" foreign settler colonialists shove the locals aside and take the place over for themselves. Its quite a dilemma to try to talk yourself out of.

And, legal question for you -- when, exactly, and through which instruments of international law, did settler colonialism become illegal?

 

[Roudy]

RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, if the accusation is that Israel is either the colony of a colonial power --- or --- is itself a colonial power, then it is a very legitimate question.

Can you define your terms?
---- THEN ----
Can you answer the question?

[QUOTE="Roudy, post: 18233272, member: 36154"
What country is Israel a colony of, dufus?

Oh jeese!

(COMMENT)

Remember, the West Bank settlements are IAW the Agreement between the PLO and Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

That is way late in the process.

Classic colonialism is when a colonial power takes over a country to exploit resources and labor. Like India.

Settler colonialism is a group of people who go to a country to shove the locals aside and take the place over for themselves. Like the US and Israel.

Of course in the case of the US conquest was not illegal. But conquest was illegal when Israel conquered Palestine.

So you're making up your own words, rules, and history.

So you're making up your own words, definitions, rules, and history.

 

[Hossfly]

RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, if the accusation is that Israel is either the colony of a colonial power --- or --- is itself a colonial power, then it is a very legitimate question.

Can you define your terms?
---- THEN ----
Can you answer the question?

[QUOTE="Roudy, post: 18233272, member: 36154"
What country is Israel a colony of, dufus?

Oh jeese!

(COMMENT)

Remember, the West Bank settlements are IAW the Agreement between the PLO and Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

That is way late in the process.

Classic colonialism is when a colonial power takes over a country to exploit resources and labor. Like India.

Settler colonialism is a group of people who go to a country to shove the locals aside and take the place over for themselves. Like the US and Israel.

Of course in the case of the US conquest was not illegal. But conquest was illegal when Israel conquered Palestine.

So you're making up your own words, rules, and history.

So you're making up your own words, definitions, rules, and history.

Yes.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Though often conflated with colonialism more generally, settler colonialism is a distinct imperial formation. Both colonialism and settler colonialism are premised on exogenous domination, but only setter colonialism seeks to replace the original population of the colonized territory with a new society of settlers (usually from the colonial metropole). This new society needs land, and so settler colonialism depends primarily on access to territory. This is achieved by various means, either through treaties with indigenous inhabitants or simply by “taking possession.” Britain, for example, implemented the doctrine of “terra nullius” (“land belonging to no one”) to claim sovereignty over Australia. The entire continent was thereby declared legally uninhabited, despite millennia of Aboriginal occupation.

Settler Colonialism - Anthropology - Oxford Bibliographies

 

[Hollie]

Palestinian Settler-Colonialism

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The concept of “settler colonialism” has been applied with almost unique vehemence against Israel. But the fact that Jews are the indigenous population of the Southern Levant can be proved with ease. In contrast, historical and genealogical evidence shows Palestinians descend primarily from three primary groups: Muslim invaders, Arab immigrants, and local converts to Islam. The Muslim conquest of Byzantine Palestine in the 7th century CE is a textbook example of settler-colonialism, as is subsequent immigration, particularly during the 19th and 20th centuries under the Ottoman and British Empires. The application of the concept to Jews and Zionism by Palestinians is both ironic and unhelpful.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian Settler-Colonialism

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The concept of “settler colonialism” has been applied with almost unique vehemence against Israel. But the fact that Jews are the indigenous population of the Southern Levant can be proved with ease. In contrast, historical and genealogical evidence shows Palestinians descend primarily from three primary groups: Muslim invaders, Arab immigrants, and local converts to Islam. The Muslim conquest of Byzantine Palestine in the 7th century CE is a textbook example of settler-colonialism, as is subsequent immigration, particularly during the 19th and 20th centuries under the Ottoman and British Empires. The application of the concept to Jews and Zionism by Palestinians is both ironic and unhelpful.

One of the mainstays of the modern university is the idea of settler-colonialism. This argues that certain societies are birthed by settlers implanted in a foreign territory, either directly by or with the consent of an imperial power. These colonists then dominate and eradicate the indigenous population. They develop bellicose cultures that eliminate the natives from historical, literary, and other narratives. Primary examples often cited are the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, South Africa and Rhodesia, and Israel.

 

[Hollie]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Interesting.

 

[Shusha]

They develop bellicose cultures that eliminate the natives from historical, literary, and other narratives.

Do you even hear yourself talk? (Or see yourself write?)

WHOSE history, literary and other narratives are being erased in Israel, Judea and Samaria in the Arab discourse?!?!?!?!

 

[P F Tinmore]

They develop bellicose cultures that eliminate the natives from historical, literary, and other narratives.

Do you even hear yourself talk? (Or see yourself write?)

WHOSE history, literary and other narratives are being erased in Israel, Judea and Samaria in the Arab discourse?!?!?!?!

That is a quote from a link.

 

[Shusha]

They develop bellicose cultures that eliminate the natives from historical, literary, and other narratives.

Do you even hear yourself talk? (Or see yourself write?)

WHOSE history, literary and other narratives are being erased in Israel, Judea and Samaria in the Arab discourse?!?!?!?!

That is a quote from a link.

You posted it! So do you READ what you post? Whose history, literary and other narratives are being erased in Israel, Judea and Samaria in Arab discourse?

 

[Shusha]

Who is going to UNESCO and pretending that Jewish history doesn't exist?

 

[P F Tinmore]

In Historic Report, U.N. Agency Says Israel Is Imposing an "Apartheid Regime" on Palestinian People