Breaking News: Restaurants Closing All Over Seattle As $15 Minimum Wage Mandate Starts April 1st.

[Sonny Clark]

As long as we're getting rid of the minimum wage, why not got all out and eliminate Child Labor Laws also?

KIds will work dirt cheap and be thankful for their daily bowl of gruel.

Why not keep the governemnt out of the business of forcing employers to pay employees a certain rate?

What business is it of the government what I pay my employees?

You can't keep government out of business.

No...not completely....but if government dictates your CoGS, should it be there to take on your losses if you fail?

Do you want the government to bail out every ma and pa company that fails due to government intervention?

I don't want the damn government in anything.

 

[Mr Natural]

As long as we're getting rid of the minimum wage, why not got all out and eliminate Child Labor Laws also?

KIds will work dirt cheap and be thankful for their daily bowl of gruel.

Why not keep the governemnt out of the business of forcing employers to pay employees a certain rate?

What business is it of the government what I pay my employees?

You can't keep government out of business.

No...not completely....but if government dictates your CoGS, should it be there to take on your losses if you fail?

Do you want the government to bail out every ma and pa company that fails due to government intervention?

Business losses are tax deductible.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Stop being greedy wankers. If y'all weren't so damn greedy, we wouldn't need to be having this discussion. No matter how the greedy ones try to spin it, the bottom line is that they enjoy getting richer off shitting on lowly workers. Now they're just bitchin & moanin because times may be changing. Oh well, too bad. Life goes on.

It seems to me that anyone can be greedy, including those who want to work at McDonalds forever and get paid a "living wage".

 

[Camp]

As long as we're getting rid of the minimum wage, why not got all out and eliminate Child Labor Laws also?

KIds will work dirt cheap and be thankful for their daily bowl of gruel.

Why not keep the governemnt out of the business of forcing employers to pay employees a certain rate?

What business is it of the government what I pay my employees?

Because an overabundance of experience has proven beyond a doubt that at least some employers when given the opportunity will participate in abuses that society, the community and the tax payers end up paying for. That is why businesses, like people, have to follow standards and rules for the privilege of operating in a particular community.

Wrong.

An overabundance of experience in an unskilled job does not require an over abundance of experience to be 100% efficient at that job.

When people take an unskilled labor job, they should realize that it will not be their job forever. They need to use it as a stepping stone.

Curious...if your landscaper told you he had to double his fee because the guy that mows your lawn has been on the job for 20 years and deserves a hearty raise.....

Would you be OK with it?

I was speaking of an overabundance of experience as a society. We know that the unethical and criminal will take advantage and abuse workers if they are not regulated.
The landscaper coming to me about raising my fee to him based on his decision to give an employee a raise would cause me to look for a more competitively priced landscaper. If the raise came about because of a government regulation or law, the competition would have the same cost increase. The landscaper raising his price to me had other options. He could have not given the raise, given less of a raise, let the employee go and hired a lower paid one, reduced his profit, etc.

 

[Jarhead]

As long as we're getting rid of the minimum wage, why not got all out and eliminate Child Labor Laws also?

KIds will work dirt cheap and be thankful for their daily bowl of gruel.

Why not keep the governemnt out of the business of forcing employers to pay employees a certain rate?

What business is it of the government what I pay my employees?

You can't keep government out of business.

No...not completely....but if government dictates your CoGS, should it be there to take on your losses if you fail?

Do you want the government to bail out every ma and pa company that fails due to government intervention?

Business losses are tax deductible.

I am sure a small business that takes losses will be happy to deduct those losses....but if what caused those losses will still be in effect the following year(s), the business will go down.

SO I really don't see your point.

 

[Flash]

Stop being greedy wankers. If y'all weren't so damn greedy, we wouldn't need to be having this discussion. No matter how the greedy ones try to spin it, the bottom line is that they enjoy getting richer off shitting on lowly workers. Now they're just bitchin & moanin because times may be changing. Oh well, too bad. Life goes on.

If you hire somebody to do some work for you on an agreed upon wage how does that make you greedy?

If that same person gets the government to make you pay him more money than was agreed upon doesn't that make him the greedy one?

 

[Jarhead]

As long as we're getting rid of the minimum wage, why not got all out and eliminate Child Labor Laws also?

KIds will work dirt cheap and be thankful for their daily bowl of gruel.

Why not keep the governemnt out of the business of forcing employers to pay employees a certain rate?

What business is it of the government what I pay my employees?

Because an overabundance of experience has proven beyond a doubt that at least some employers when given the opportunity will participate in abuses that society, the community and the tax payers end up paying for. That is why businesses, like people, have to follow standards and rules for the privilege of operating in a particular community.

Wrong.

An overabundance of experience in an unskilled job does not require an over abundance of experience to be 100% efficient at that job.

When people take an unskilled labor job, they should realize that it will not be their job forever. They need to use it as a stepping stone.

Curious...if your landscaper told you he had to double his fee because the guy that mows your lawn has been on the job for 20 years and deserves a hearty raise.....

Would you be OK with it?

I was speaking of an overabundance of experience as a society. We know that the unethical and criminal will take advantage and abuse workers if they are not regulated.
The landscaper coming to me about raising my fee to him based on his decision to give an employee a raise would cause me to look for a more competitively priced landscaper. If the raise came about because of a government regulation or law, the competition would have the same cost increase. The landscaper raising his price to me had other options. He could have not given the raise, given less of a raise, let the employee go and hired a lower paid one, reduced his profit, etc.

you completely misunderstood my analogy.

Regardless....

Most "unskilled" labor jobs do not require a great deal of experience for the employee to achieve 100% efficiency.

a 16 year old with 3 months experience will be no less efficient at selling burgers than a 35 year old with 19 years experience. You "experience out" in those positions.

The issue is not about the salaries for unskilled labor.

It is about those that see such jobs as career positions.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

As long as we're getting rid of the minimum wage, why not got all out and eliminate Child Labor Laws also?

KIds will work dirt cheap and be thankful for their daily bowl of gruel.

Why not keep the governemnt out of the business of forcing employers to pay employees a certain rate?

What business is it of the government what I pay my employees?

Because an overabundance of experience has proven beyond a doubt that at least some employers when given the opportunity will participate in abuses that society, the community and the tax payers end up paying for. That is why businesses, like people, have to follow standards and rules for the privilege of operating in a particular community.

Wrong.

An overabundance of experience in an unskilled job does not require an over abundance of experience to be 100% efficient at that job.

When people take an unskilled labor job, they should realize that it will not be their job forever. They need to use it as a stepping stone.

Curious...if your landscaper told you he had to double his fee because the guy that mows your lawn has been on the job for 20 years and deserves a hearty raise.....

Would you be OK with it?

I was speaking of an overabundance of experience as a society. We know that the unethical and criminal will take advantage and abuse workers if they are not regulated.
The landscaper coming to me about raising my fee to him based on his decision to give an employee a raise would cause me to look for a more competitively priced landscaper. If the raise came about because of a government regulation or law, the competition would have the same cost increase. The landscaper raising his price to me had other options. He could have not given the raise, given less of a raise, let the employee go and hired a lower paid one, reduced his profit, etc.

What an employer can pay is always based on what his customers will pay for their product or service. Even this simple market concept Leftists cannot grasp.

 

[Flash]

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You can't keep government out of business.

You can never stop government tyranny but you sure as hell can minimize it by not electing Liberals that do abusive things like artificially set labor rates.

 

[paulitician]

As long as we're getting rid of the minimum wage, why not got all out and eliminate Child Labor Laws also?

KIds will work dirt cheap and be thankful for their daily bowl of gruel.

Why not keep the governemnt out of the business of forcing employers to pay employees a certain rate?

What business is it of the government what I pay my employees?

Because an overabundance of experience has proven beyond a doubt that at least some employers when given the opportunity will participate in abuses that society, the community and the tax payers end up paying for. That is why businesses, like people, have to follow standards and rules for the privilege of operating in a particular community.

Wrong.

An overabundance of experience in an unskilled job does not require an over abundance of experience to be 100% efficient at that job.

When people take an unskilled labor job, they should realize that it will not be their job forever. They need to use it as a stepping stone.

Curious...if your landscaper told you he had to double his fee because the guy that mows your lawn has been on the job for 20 years and deserves a hearty raise.....

Would you be OK with it?

I was speaking of an overabundance of experience as a society. We know that the unethical and criminal will take advantage and abuse workers if they are not regulated.
The landscaper coming to me about raising my fee to him based on his decision to give an employee a raise would cause me to look for a more competitively priced landscaper. If the raise came about because of a government regulation or law, the competition would have the same cost increase. The landscaper raising his price to me had other options. He could have not given the raise, given less of a raise, let the employee go and hired a lower paid one, reduced his profit, etc.

What an employer can pay is always based on what his customers will pay for their product or service. Even this simple market concept Leftists cannot grasp.

I'll gladly pay a little more for my Big Mac, if it means some fellow American Workers doing a little better. But hey, that's just me.

 

[paulitician]

And btw, this thread is Bullshite anyway. The OP is being an inaccurate drama queen. The only businesses closing, are businesses that should be closing. They were weak and failing long before this.

There is no sudden rash of restaurants closing because of higher wages. It's just not happening. Therefore, i have to call Bullshite on this thread.

 

[Jarhead]

Why not keep the governemnt out of the business of forcing employers to pay employees a certain rate?

What business is it of the government what I pay my employees?

Because an overabundance of experience has proven beyond a doubt that at least some employers when given the opportunity will participate in abuses that society, the community and the tax payers end up paying for. That is why businesses, like people, have to follow standards and rules for the privilege of operating in a particular community.

Wrong.

An overabundance of experience in an unskilled job does not require an over abundance of experience to be 100% efficient at that job.

When people take an unskilled labor job, they should realize that it will not be their job forever. They need to use it as a stepping stone.

Curious...if your landscaper told you he had to double his fee because the guy that mows your lawn has been on the job for 20 years and deserves a hearty raise.....

Would you be OK with it?

I was speaking of an overabundance of experience as a society. We know that the unethical and criminal will take advantage and abuse workers if they are not regulated.
The landscaper coming to me about raising my fee to him based on his decision to give an employee a raise would cause me to look for a more competitively priced landscaper. If the raise came about because of a government regulation or law, the competition would have the same cost increase. The landscaper raising his price to me had other options. He could have not given the raise, given less of a raise, let the employee go and hired a lower paid one, reduced his profit, etc.

What an employer can pay is always based on what his customers will pay for their product or service. Even this simple market concept Leftists cannot grasp.

I'll gladly pay a little more for my Big Mac, if it means some fellow American Workers doing a little better. But hey, that's just me.

OK.
You make it sound as trivial as a little more for a burger.

A national mandate would mean a little more for everything you buy and do.

Seems like a grand idea to boost up the middle class who, on the most part, do not earn minimum wage and, therefore, do not reap the rewards of paying a little more for EVRYTHING.

 

[Flash]

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I'll gladly pay a little more for my Big Mac, if it means some fellow American Workers doing a little better. But hey, that's just me.

You always have the option of tipping the staff when you go in and get your Big Mac. Nobody is going to turn down the money you offer them.

What is wrong is you demanding that the government force others of us it to it.

Don't you believe in freedom of choice or is that only when it comes to killing children on demand?

 

[kiwiman127]

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"Hate is not a Christian value"-Redfish
Actually the Bible states that hate is equivalent to murder. John 1 3:15.
Reading most of the threads/posts/signatures on USMB, indicates we have very, very few true Christians on board here. but we do have a ton of fake Christians.

I don't think Jesus was guaranteed a minimum wage when He worked as a carpenter. Minimum wage is an invention of confused stupid ass bureaucrats.

Remember that greed and thievery are also sins and anybody that elects Liberal politicians to use the government to steal money on their behalf would not meet the definition of Christian values.

I am not liberal nor am I liberal conservative, what I am is Middle Class.
Regarding the minimum wage, I think it's a good idea as it sets a floor for wages.
In this country, we obviously have a greed issue.
The US for decades had the most prosperous Middle Class in the world, but the US middle class has lost ground to other developed nations. Canada now has the world's most prosperous middle class in the world and other nations are set to also pass the US's middle class. For example, since 2000, Canada's middle class saw a 19.7% increase in the median income, so did Britain's, while Ireland's saw 16.2%, the Netherlands 13.9%, the US saw 6.3%. Why?
Regarding upward mobility, America has fallen behind Europe.
"Economic mobility is becoming a more prominent issue in the 2012 Republican presidential race, and will likely be widely discussed in the general election. The GOP’s remaining top-tier candidates — Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich — have all sounded the alarm about American decline, promising to restore the “American Dream” and make the pursuit of happiness seem like more of a worthwhile endeavor (as Romney as consistently hammered on about recently). But what’s shocking is that rather than focusing on the American Dream these days, politicians and academics seem to be talking more about the European Dream."
The Loss of Upward Mobility in the U.S. TIME.com
Now back to the minimum wage, do you realize that raising the minimum wage helps the middle class, more so than those below the poverty line?
Minimum Wage Hike Would Benefit 3X More Middle-Class Workers Than Poor
CNSNews.com) – Three times as many workers from middle-class families would benefit from President Obama's proposal to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 an hour as those living in households below the federal poverty line, according to a new study.
Minimum Wage Hike Would Benefit 3X More Middle-Class Workers Than Poor CNS News
If the conservative Cato Institute thinks this, why would any middle class conservative deny this?
Over three decades of flat wages (in Real Dollars/constant dollars), it's no wonder why the American Middle Class is in such trouble.
Having a steadily weakening middle class hurts the US economy. As the graph below shows, as the middle class has weakened, recession have taken longer to recover. Is it all just a coincidence? Now that's doubtful.View attachment 38017
Someone is making a killing keeping wages flat as profits have hit record highs, yet wages remain flat. Why don't folks take off their ideological hats and stop to think for themselves and their own future is beyond me.

What helps the middle class is a free market for labor and less government restrictions because then business can prosper and that will always drive wages up.

Because this country has been leaning more towards the Left the Middle Class has suffered. Since Obama has took over average family income has declined.

Profits have hit record levels and wages have been flat long before Obama. They have been flat under both Democratic and Republican leadership.
How about thinking without trying to play partisan politics. In this case, both the right and left are guilty as real facts show.
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[Jarhead]

And btw, this thread is Bullshite anyway. The OP is being an inaccurate drama queen. The only businesses closing, are businesses that should be closing. They were weak and failing long before this.

There is no sudden rash of restaurants closing because of higher wages. It's just not happening. Therefore, i have to call Bullshite on this thread.

Sure...doesnt make sense......I mean, why would an unplanned increase in the number 3 operating cost of a restaurant cause it to struggle financially?

It sounds absurd.

 

[Flash]

And btw, this thread is Bullshite anyway. The OP is being an inaccurate drama queen. The only businesses closing, are businesses that should be closing. They were weak and failing long before this.

There is no sudden rash of restaurants closing because of higher wages. It's just not happening. Therefore, i have to call Bullshite on this thread.

I don't remember you Liberals complaining about General Motors being weak and not deserving of Obama's massive bailout that cost the American taxpayer billions.

 

[Jarhead]

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"Hate is not a Christian value"-Redfish
Actually the Bible states that hate is equivalent to murder. John 1 3:15.
Reading most of the threads/posts/signatures on USMB, indicates we have very, very few true Christians on board here. but we do have a ton of fake Christians.

I don't think Jesus was guaranteed a minimum wage when He worked as a carpenter. Minimum wage is an invention of confused stupid ass bureaucrats.

Remember that greed and thievery are also sins and anybody that elects Liberal politicians to use the government to steal money on their behalf would not meet the definition of Christian values.

I am not liberal nor am I liberal conservative, what I am is Middle Class.
Regarding the minimum wage, I think it's a good idea as it sets a floor for wages.
In this country, we obviously have a greed issue.
The US for decades had the most prosperous Middle Class in the world, but the US middle class has lost ground to other developed nations. Canada now has the world's most prosperous middle class in the world and other nations are set to also pass the US's middle class. For example, since 2000, Canada's middle class saw a 19.7% increase in the median income, so did Britain's, while Ireland's saw 16.2%, the Netherlands 13.9%, the US saw 6.3%. Why?
Regarding upward mobility, America has fallen behind Europe.
"Economic mobility is becoming a more prominent issue in the 2012 Republican presidential race, and will likely be widely discussed in the general election. The GOP’s remaining top-tier candidates — Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich — have all sounded the alarm about American decline, promising to restore the “American Dream” and make the pursuit of happiness seem like more of a worthwhile endeavor (as Romney as consistently hammered on about recently). But what’s shocking is that rather than focusing on the American Dream these days, politicians and academics seem to be talking more about the European Dream."
The Loss of Upward Mobility in the U.S. TIME.com
Now back to the minimum wage, do you realize that raising the minimum wage helps the middle class, more so than those below the poverty line?
Minimum Wage Hike Would Benefit 3X More Middle-Class Workers Than Poor
CNSNews.com) – Three times as many workers from middle-class families would benefit from President Obama's proposal to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 an hour as those living in households below the federal poverty line, according to a new study.
Minimum Wage Hike Would Benefit 3X More Middle-Class Workers Than Poor CNS News
If the conservative Cato Institute thinks this, why would any middle class conservative deny this?
Over three decades of flat wages (in Real Dollars/constant dollars), it's no wonder why the American Middle Class is in such trouble.
Having a steadily weakening middle class hurts the US economy. As the graph below shows, as the middle class has weakened, recession have taken longer to recover. Is it all just a coincidence? Now that's doubtful.View attachment 38017
Someone is making a killing keeping wages flat as profits have hit record highs, yet wages remain flat. Why don't folks take off their ideological hats and stop to think for themselves and their own future is beyond me.

What helps the middle class is a free market for labor and less government restrictions because then business can prosper and that will always drive wages up.

Because this country has been leaning more towards the Left the Middle Class has suffered. Since Obama has took over average family income has declined.

Profits have hit record levels and wages have been flat long before Obama. They have been flat under both Democratic and Republican leadership.
How about thinking without trying to play partisan politics. In this case, both the right and left are guilty as real facts show.
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I suggest you understand studies before you cite them.

During that 60 year span, those profits, on the most part were reinvested into R and D and expansion, allowing for the employment of millions of people....opportunities that allowed many of them to build the capital to go out on their own....

Sure, the business owners reaped the financial rewards...and the rest of us reaped the rewards of long term opportunity...and others reaped the rewards of our success.....and that is how it works.

Know the basis of a study before citing it.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

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As long as we're getting rid of the minimum wage, why not got all out and eliminate Child Labor Laws also?

KIds will work dirt cheap and be thankful for their daily bowl of gruel.

Or we can just eliminate the unconstitutional federal minimum wage law, which has nothing to do with child labor laws, and let states decide whether to have them.

Oh, and we don't need to eliminate laws against murder in order to repeal the federal minimum wage either, in case you were about to ask.

Fixing Standards for the Union is a power delegated to our federal Congress.

We also have a Commerce Clause. We should be providing for the general welfare on a more market friendly basis than we are now.

We should eliminate public sector burdens on Commerce whenever there is recourse to any Thing more market friendly, especially under our current form of Capitalism.

There is no need to burden employers with minimum wage laws if the public sector can simply reserve labor from that market through unemployment compensation that clears our poverty guidelines.

Would the private sector be worse off, if only Persons who actually want to work, apply for a job, especially in Right to Work States, in that alternative.

The "commerce clause" is actually the Interstate Commerce Clause and doesn't give the federal government unlimited power to regulate every business and doesn't even remotely give it the power to set wages.

The point is, that we have a Commerce Clause that implies market friendliness in public policies.

It ihas already been stated that the commerce clause does not apply to local MW issues, before throwing it out there again how bout's you tell us what point you are trying to make and how specifically you think that clause relates.

The natural rate of unemployment is a combination of frictional and structural unemployment that persists in an efficient, expanding economy when labor and resource markets are in equilibrium.

So we have the highest %of non participation in the labor force in history.
We have over 4 million jobs available.

Once again I ask why you make references to this term. Tell us specifically how it ties into a Seattle minimum wage.

Look dickhead, anyone can google a few catch phrases ...................................................

 

[Flash]

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"Hate is not a Christian value"-Redfish
Actually the Bible states that hate is equivalent to murder. John 1 3:15.
Reading most of the threads/posts/signatures on USMB, indicates we have very, very few true Christians on board here. but we do have a ton of fake Christians.

I don't think Jesus was guaranteed a minimum wage when He worked as a carpenter. Minimum wage is an invention of confused stupid ass bureaucrats.

Remember that greed and thievery are also sins and anybody that elects Liberal politicians to use the government to steal money on their behalf would not meet the definition of Christian values.

I am not liberal nor am I liberal conservative, what I am is Middle Class.
Regarding the minimum wage, I think it's a good idea as it sets a floor for wages.
In this country, we obviously have a greed issue.
The US for decades had the most prosperous Middle Class in the world, but the US middle class has lost ground to other developed nations. Canada now has the world's most prosperous middle class in the world and other nations are set to also pass the US's middle class. For example, since 2000, Canada's middle class saw a 19.7% increase in the median income, so did Britain's, while Ireland's saw 16.2%, the Netherlands 13.9%, the US saw 6.3%. Why?
Regarding upward mobility, America has fallen behind Europe.
"Economic mobility is becoming a more prominent issue in the 2012 Republican presidential race, and will likely be widely discussed in the general election. The GOP’s remaining top-tier candidates — Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich — have all sounded the alarm about American decline, promising to restore the “American Dream” and make the pursuit of happiness seem like more of a worthwhile endeavor (as Romney as consistently hammered on about recently). But what’s shocking is that rather than focusing on the American Dream these days, politicians and academics seem to be talking more about the European Dream."
The Loss of Upward Mobility in the U.S. TIME.com
Now back to the minimum wage, do you realize that raising the minimum wage helps the middle class, more so than those below the poverty line?
Minimum Wage Hike Would Benefit 3X More Middle-Class Workers Than Poor
CNSNews.com) – Three times as many workers from middle-class families would benefit from President Obama's proposal to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 an hour as those living in households below the federal poverty line, according to a new study.
Minimum Wage Hike Would Benefit 3X More Middle-Class Workers Than Poor CNS News
If the conservative Cato Institute thinks this, why would any middle class conservative deny this?
Over three decades of flat wages (in Real Dollars/constant dollars), it's no wonder why the American Middle Class is in such trouble.
Having a steadily weakening middle class hurts the US economy. As the graph below shows, as the middle class has weakened, recession have taken longer to recover. Is it all just a coincidence? Now that's doubtful.View attachment 38017
Someone is making a killing keeping wages flat as profits have hit record highs, yet wages remain flat. Why don't folks take off their ideological hats and stop to think for themselves and their own future is beyond me.

What helps the middle class is a free market for labor and less government restrictions because then business can prosper and that will always drive wages up.

Because this country has been leaning more towards the Left the Middle Class has suffered. Since Obama has took over average family income has declined.

Profits have hit record levels and wages have been flat long before Obama. They have been flat under both Democratic and Republican leadership.
How about thinking without trying to play partisan politics. In this case, both the right and left are guilty as real facts show.
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The fact of the matter is that family income has declined since Obama has been President and he has shifted the country farther to the Left.

I am not partisan because I will argue that the government should not be interfering with the free market of labor or anything else no matter who is President.

Government has drained wealth from this country for quite awhile and the Democrats are not the only ones responsible for it. They are just the worse at it.

Right now the combined Fed, State and Local cost of government is over 40% of the GNP and we have millions of regulations that stifle economic growth.

Stupid regulations like artificially setting the wages of workers do nothing to promote economic growth, which in turn will drive real wages up.

I believe in the free market and minimal government interference.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

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"Hate is not a Christian value"-Redfish
Actually the Bible states that hate is equivalent to murder. John 1 3:15.
Reading most of the threads/posts/signatures on USMB, indicates we have very, very few true Christians on board here. but we do have a ton of fake Christians.

I don't think Jesus was guaranteed a minimum wage when He worked as a carpenter. Minimum wage is an invention of confused stupid ass bureaucrats.

Remember that greed and thievery are also sins and anybody that elects Liberal politicians to use the government to steal money on their behalf would not meet the definition of Christian values.

I am not liberal nor am I liberal conservative, what I am is Middle Class.
Regarding the minimum wage, I think it's a good idea as it sets a floor for wages.
In this country, we obviously have a greed issue.
The US for decades had the most prosperous Middle Class in the world, but the US middle class has lost ground to other developed nations. Canada now has the world's most prosperous middle class in the world and other nations are set to also pass the US's middle class. For example, since 2000, Canada's middle class saw a 19.7% increase in the median income, so did Britain's, while Ireland's saw 16.2%, the Netherlands 13.9%, the US saw 6.3%. Why?
Regarding upward mobility, America has fallen behind Europe.
"Economic mobility is becoming a more prominent issue in the 2012 Republican presidential race, and will likely be widely discussed in the general election. The GOP’s remaining top-tier candidates — Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich — have all sounded the alarm about American decline, promising to restore the “American Dream” and make the pursuit of happiness seem like more of a worthwhile endeavor (as Romney as consistently hammered on about recently). But what’s shocking is that rather than focusing on the American Dream these days, politicians and academics seem to be talking more about the European Dream."
The Loss of Upward Mobility in the U.S. TIME.com
Now back to the minimum wage, do you realize that raising the minimum wage helps the middle class, more so than those below the poverty line?
Minimum Wage Hike Would Benefit 3X More Middle-Class Workers Than Poor
CNSNews.com) – Three times as many workers from middle-class families would benefit from President Obama's proposal to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 an hour as those living in households below the federal poverty line, according to a new study.
Minimum Wage Hike Would Benefit 3X More Middle-Class Workers Than Poor CNS News
If the conservative Cato Institute thinks this, why would any middle class conservative deny this?
Over three decades of flat wages (in Real Dollars/constant dollars), it's no wonder why the American Middle Class is in such trouble.
Having a steadily weakening middle class hurts the US economy. As the graph below shows, as the middle class has weakened, recession have taken longer to recover. Is it all just a coincidence? Now that's doubtful.View attachment 38017
Someone is making a killing keeping wages flat as profits have hit record highs, yet wages remain flat. Why don't folks take off their ideological hats and stop to think for themselves and their own future is beyond me.

What helps the middle class is a free market for labor and less government restrictions because then business can prosper and that will always drive wages up.

Because this country has been leaning more towards the Left the Middle Class has suffered. Since Obama has took over average family income has declined.

Profits have hit record levels and wages have been flat long before Obama. They have been flat under both Democratic and Republican leadership.
How about thinking without trying to play partisan politics. In this case, both the right and left are guilty as real facts show.
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We get it, You are a corporate hater .................... instead of participating in the discussion you have an agenda.
Ignore is only one click away, to be banished with the rest ........................