Breaking News: 'Hamas accepts Israel's right to exist'

[elvis]

Hamas ready to cancel charter, senior member says | Middle East

Hamas has accepted Israel's right to exist and would be prepared to nullify its charter, which calls for the destruction of Israel, Aziz Dwaik, Hamas's most senior representative in the West Bank, said on Wednesday.

Dwaik's remarks are seen in the context of Hamas's attempts to win recognition from the international community.

Dwaik is the elected speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council. He was released a few months ago after spending nearly three years in an Israeli prison.

During the meeting in Hebron, Dwaik stressed that other Hamas leaders, including Damascus-based leader Khaled Mashaal and Gaza Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, have voiced support for the idea of establishing an independent Palestinian state within the pre-1967 boundaries.

"The [Hamas] charter was drafted more than 20 years ago," Dwaik noted, adding that his movement would even be prepared to "nullify" the document.

"No one wants to throw anyone into the sea," he said.

Willing to bet a number of people didn't see this coming.

In other news, Hitler and Stalin signed a non-aggression pact.

 

[Marc39]

The Palestine Mandate,[1] or Mandate for Palestine,[2] or British Mandate of Palestine was a legal instrument for the administration of Palestine formally approved by the League of Nations in June 1922, based on a draft by the principal Allied and associated powers after the First World War. The mandate formalized British rule in Palestine from 1917-1948. The boundaries of two new states were laid down within the territory of the Mandate, Palestine and Transjordan.[3][4]

Post war court decisions on statehood

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory detached from the Ottoman Empire to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations under the terms of the treaty. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain also decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[50]

The English High Court ruling in the King v Ketter case dealt with nationality under the Mandate. The Court held that the territory of Palestine was not transferred to Great Britain as a consequence of article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne and that residents were citizens of Palestine, not Great Britain.[51]

The Supreme Court of Palestine ruled in 1945 that Transjordan was a foreign state for the purposes of article 15 of the Palestine Citizenship Order.[52]

The Jewish national home

The United Nations Special Committee on Palestine said the Jewish National Home, which derived from the formulation of Zionist aspirations in the 1897 Basle program has provoked many discussions concerning its meaning, scope and legal character, especially since it had no known legal connotation and there are no precedents in international law for its interpretation. It was used in the Balfour Declaration and in the Mandate, both of which promised the establishment of a "Jewish National Home" without, however, defining its meaning. A statement on "British Policy in Palestine," issued on 3 June 1922 by the Colonial Office, placed a restrictive construction upon the Balfour Declaration. The statement excluded "the disappearance or subordination of the Arabic population, language or customs in Palestine" or "the imposition of Jewish nationality upon the inhabitants of Palestine as a whole", and made it clear that in the eyes of the mandatory Power, the Jewish National Home was to be founded in Palestine and not that Palestine as a whole was to be converted into a Jewish National Home. The Committee noted that the construction, which restricted considerably the scope of the National Home, was made prior to the confirmation of the Mandate by the Council of the League of Nations and was formally accepted at the time by the Executive of the Zionist Organization.[54]

British Mandate of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aimlessly cutting and pasting Wiki references without actually having studied the subject matter is amateurish and embarrassing, you big dummy.



The reference to Jewish National Home was synonymous to Jewish state, as evidenced by its use in the Basle Programme in the First Zionist Congress...


You see, dummy, the term "Israeli statehod" was assiduously avoided by Herzl and his colleagues so as not to cause alarm with the Ottoman Sultanate and by the parties involved with the drafting of the Palestine Mandate seeking to mollify the Arab population.

However, it is clear in studying the Palestine Mandate that the legal and political foundations were established for Jewish statehood and as I have already stated, dummy, the key figures at the time, from Lord Balfour to PM Lloyd George to Winston Churchill to Woodrow Wilson all went on record as stating their vision of eventual Israeli statehood flowing from the Jewish National Home.

You, of course are not informed of these facts as you are a big dummy.

Palestine is Palestine The Jewish homeland was to be set up in Palestine. Again no mention of "Israel" or Jewish State."

Again, you are brain-dead and thoroughly ill-equipped to discuss the matter.

I think you are grasping at straws.

You are incapable of thought, dummy.

A homeland for the Jews in Palestine. What would that look like? What would that have to be?

It's called Israel, you mental case.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Aimlessly cutting and pasting Wiki references without actually having studied the subject matter is amateurish and embarrassing, you big dummy.



The reference to Jewish National Home was synonymous to Jewish state, as evidenced by its use in the Basle Programme in the First Zionist Congress...


You see, dummy, the term "Israeli statehod" was assiduously avoided by Herzl and his colleagues so as not to cause alarm with the Ottoman Sultanate and by the parties involved with the drafting of the Palestine Mandate seeking to mollify the Arab population.

However, it is clear in studying the Palestine Mandate that the legal and political foundations were established for Jewish statehood and as I have already stated, dummy, the key figures at the time, from Lord Balfour to PM Lloyd George to Winston Churchill to Woodrow Wilson all went on record as stating their vision of eventual Israeli statehood flowing from the Jewish National Home.

You, of course are not informed of these facts as you are a big dummy.



Again, you are brain-dead and thoroughly ill-equipped to discuss the matter.

You are incapable of thought, dummy.

A homeland for the Jews in Palestine. What would that look like? What would that have to be?

It's called Israel, you mental case.

No, I mean as specified in the Mandate where the right of the indigenous people are not compromised.

 

[Toronado3800]

On one hand the UN charter is of little interest to me. If I was Iraqi, Iranian, or whoever I'd be pretty upset about who is and isn't on the security council. That's a legitimate gripe.

The US has been paying Egypt $2B a year since 1979 to side with Israel.

Israel has no borders.

Palestinians are rationed with little water while settlers have swimming pools and lush lawns.

The proposed Palestinian "state" would not be allowed any defense of its borders.

If someone was doing to you what Israel is doing to Gaza, you would be lobbing missiles too.

Whether Israel or Palestine are states are debatable issues.

I am just a person seeking justice.

Thanks the Muslim transgressions over the last half a century I have little sympathy for Palestinians (who I somewhat improperly include with the rest) or other folks in the 21st century whose treatment of women is centuries behind the rest of the world.

So yup, I'm 100% for using my tax money to enable a thorn in their side Jewish state with a heck of a military. Personally I've wrapped my mind around paying tax dollars for the next 50 years to keep our military stationed near and ready to spank the world's trouble makers just as my grandparents did after WWII.

 

[Toronado3800]

No, I mean as specified in the Mandate where the right of the indigenous people are not compromised.

It is very compromised I agree.

 

[Kalam]

Thanks the Muslim transgressions over the last half a century I have little sympathy for Palestinians (who I somewhat improperly include with the rest) or other folks in the 21st century whose treatment of women is centuries behind the rest of the world.

So yup, I'm 100% for using my tax money to enable a thorn in their side Jewish state with a heck of a military. Personally I've wrapped my mind around paying tax dollars for the next 50 years to keep our military stationed near and ready to spank the world's trouble makers just as my grandparents did after WWII.

This brazen illogic is precisely why most of the world seems to hate America.

 

[Marc39]

Thanks the Muslim transgressions over the last half a century I have little sympathy for Palestinians (who I somewhat improperly include with the rest) or other folks in the 21st century whose treatment of women is centuries behind the rest of the world.

So yup, I'm 100% for using my tax money to enable a thorn in their side Jewish state with a heck of a military. Personally I've wrapped my mind around paying tax dollars for the next 50 years to keep our military stationed near and ready to spank the world's trouble makers just as my grandparents did after WWII.

This brazen illogic is precisely why most of the world seems to hate America.

Most of the world hates America until they get into a jam and beg us to bail their asses out. The Islamists are the worst offendors.

 

[Kalam]

Thanks the Muslim transgressions over the last half a century I have little sympathy for Palestinians (who I somewhat improperly include with the rest) or other folks in the 21st century whose treatment of women is centuries behind the rest of the world.

So yup, I'm 100% for using my tax money to enable a thorn in their side Jewish state with a heck of a military. Personally I've wrapped my mind around paying tax dollars for the next 50 years to keep our military stationed near and ready to spank the world's trouble makers just as my grandparents did after WWII.

This brazen illogic is precisely why most of the world seems to hate America.

Most of the world hates America until they get into a jam and beg us to bail their asses out. The Islamists are the worst offendors.

"Us"?

It's relatively clear that your loyalty is reserved for a specific country, Zionist, and it is not America.

 

[Toronado3800]

This brazen illogic is precisely why most of the world seems to hate America.

I see no logic problem. My opinion is a world with a strong Israel and weaker "Muslim" countries is a better place. SO I support Israel because it furthers my interests.

Immoral? I don't think so. Sure the Jews have claims to the land. Sure the Palestinians do. How do I decide? "The Jews" cause me fewer problems.

Want to change my mind? Get "them" Muslim countries to modernize and maybe I'll consider splitting the holy land up.

 

[Toronado3800]

Don't think I won't point the finger at Caucasians, Christians, or whoever. They have their problems also. After the second time in Germany in 25 years I would have turned the place into a nature preserve unoccupied by humans before I let them do it a third time.

 

[P F Tinmore]

On one hand the UN charter is of little interest to me. If I was Iraqi, Iranian, or whoever I'd be pretty upset about who is and isn't on the security council. That's a legitimate gripe.

The US has been paying Egypt $2B a year since 1979 to side with Israel.

Israel has no borders.

Palestinians are rationed with little water while settlers have swimming pools and lush lawns.

The proposed Palestinian "state" would not be allowed any defense of its borders.

If someone was doing to you what Israel is doing to Gaza, you would be lobbing missiles too.

Whether Israel or Palestine are states are debatable issues.

I am just a person seeking justice.

Thanks the Muslim transgressions over the last half a century I have little sympathy for Palestinians (who I somewhat improperly include with the rest) or other folks in the 21st century whose treatment of women is centuries behind the rest of the world.

So yup, I'm 100% for using my tax money to enable a thorn in their side Jewish state with a heck of a military. Personally I've wrapped my mind around paying tax dollars for the next 50 years to keep our military stationed near and ready to spank the world's trouble makers just as my grandparents did after WWII.

Women in Palestine can and do drive cars, own land homes and businesses. They do not need escorts and are not subject to dress codes. Women are judges, hold seats in parliament, and have cabinet positions. The mayor of Ramallah is a Catholic woman.

 

[Toronado3800]

Interesting. That softens my opinion slightly.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Interesting. That softens my opinion slightly.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

University life and graduation are good albums.

Birzeit University : Palestine

 

[Toronado3800]

Interesting. I'll go reading up on moderate or progressive Islam. The bad apples give the whole religion a bad name and really cost the moderates quite a bit. Perhaps if the moderates realized this they'd do something about it.

I still think the world would be a safer place with Israel owning the lands of Iran instead of the Iranians.

 

[SwingVoter]

did you really think Hamas wants peace?

I don't doubt it for a second. They want a piece of Jerusalem, a piece of Haifa, and a big slice of Tel Aviv.

 

[SwingVoter]

I still think the world would be a safer place with Israel owning the lands of Iran instead of the Iranians.

I still don't understand why we're so reluctant to let them do our dirty work, like they did with Iraq in '82.

That said, it would help if we had a president who supported the Iranian protesters, and wasn't trying to Carterize the relationship we have with the country by appeasing the dictator in charge.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Interesting. I'll go reading up on moderate or progressive Islam. The bad apples give the whole religion a bad name and really cost the moderates quite a bit. Perhaps if the moderates realized this they'd do something about it.

I still think the world would be a safer place with Israel owning the lands of Iran instead of the Iranians.

It is a good idea to read up. You have to be careful with labels though. We will call a brutal dictator "moderate" if he takes our money and does what he is told.

 

[Marc39]

Women in Palestine can and do drive cars, own land homes and businesses. They do not need escorts and are not subject to dress codes. Women are judges, hold seats in parliament, and have cabinet positions. The mayor of Ramallah is a Catholic woman.

Dummy, Israel IS Palestine.

Furthermore, dummy, women in Gaza are not permitted to laugh in public and are subjected to dress codes, so, you don't know shit...
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YVWk8qjsU8]YouTube - Hamas Imposing Sharia Law In Gaza[/ame]

 

[Marc39]

This brazen illogic is precisely why most of the world seems to hate America.

Most of the world hates America until they get into a jam and beg us to bail their asses out. The Islamists are the worst offendors.

"Us"?

It's relatively clear that your loyalty is reserved for a specific country, Zionist, and it is not America.

Dummy, the majority of Americans are Zionists.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Women in Palestine can and do drive cars, own land homes and businesses. They do not need escorts and are not subject to dress codes. Women are judges, hold seats in parliament, and have cabinet positions. The mayor of Ramallah is a Catholic woman.

Dummy, Israel IS Palestine.

Furthermore, dummy, women in Gaza are not permitted to laugh in public and are subjected to dress codes, so, you don't know shit...
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YVWk8qjsU8]YouTube - Hamas Imposing Sharia Law In Gaza[/ame]

Here are some women in Gaza without a hijab.

http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/2008/12/28/gaza - woman wounded.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/gaza_12_31/g15_17434239.jpg