Breaking News: 'Hamas accepts Israel's right to exist'

[Marc39]

UN resolution 181 is irrelevant. It was never implemented. Palestine was never partitioned.

The Palestine Mandate never promised or set up a Jewish State.

Wrong, dummy. UN Res. 181 was implemented insofar as granting international legitimacy to Israeli statehood.

The Palestine Mandate set up a Jewish state, dummy...

Article 2

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions...

 

[jillian]

UN resolution 181 is irrelevant. It was never implemented. Palestine was never partitioned.

The Palestine Mandate never promised or set up a Jewish State.

And this is why I don't believe for a second you want "justice".

this is Resolution 181:

Part I. - Future Constitution and Government of Palestine

A. TERMINATION OF MANDATE, PARTITION AND INDEPENDENCE

The Mandate for Palestine shall terminate as soon as possible but in any case not later than 1 August 1948.
The armed forces of the mandatory Power shall be progressively withdrawn from Palestine, the withdrawal to be completed as soon as possible but in any case not later than 1 August 1948.
The mandatory Power shall advise the Commission, as far in advance as possible, of its intention to terminate the mandate and to evacuate each area. The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure that an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.

Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in Parts II and III below.
The period between the adoption by the General Assembly of its recommendation on the question of Palestine and the establishment of the independence of the Arab and Jewish States shall be a transitional period

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 - Wikisource

 

[P F Tinmore]

UN resolution 181 is irrelevant. It was never implemented. Palestine was never partitioned.

The Palestine Mandate never promised or set up a Jewish State.

Wrong, dummy. UN Res. 181 was implemented insofar as granting international legitimacy to Israeli statehood.

The Palestine Mandate set up a Jewish state, dummy...

Article 2

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions...

UN resolution was never implemented. None of it.

Article 2
I don't see "state" mentioned here.

 

[Marc39]

UN resolution was never implemented. None of it.

Wrong, dummy. UN Res. 181 was implemented in legitimizing Israeli statehood, its stated purpose.

Article 2
I don't see "state" mentioned here.

Dummy, you don't see very much. The Palestine Mandate establishes the legal, political and economic framework for Israeli statehood.

Do your homework, dummy. All key figures involved with the establishment of the Jewish homeland in Palestine, from Lord Balfour, on which the Palestine Mandate was based, to PM Lloyd George to Winston Churchill to Woodrow Wilson, who was instrumental in the creation of the League of Nations that adopted the Palestine Mandate, are all on record as agreeing that their vision for the Jewish National Home was eventual Israeli statehood.

 

[Shogun]

then, muslims came along in the 7th century and destroyed the holy land, shit head. There has been nothing but death and destruction since, retard.

not!

Retard, open a book. Are your parents retarded, too?

careful, little chosen boy, you just broke one of USMB's few rules..

i'd sure hate to forward this to a mod...

 

[jillian]

UN resolution 181 is irrelevant. It was never implemented. Palestine was never partitioned.

The Palestine Mandate never promised or set up a Jewish State.

And this is why I don't believe for a second you want "justice".

this is Resolution 181:

Part I. - Future Constitution and Government of Palestine

A. TERMINATION OF MANDATE, PARTITION AND INDEPENDENCE

The Mandate for Palestine shall terminate as soon as possible but in any case not later than 1 August 1948.
The armed forces of the mandatory Power shall be progressively withdrawn from Palestine, the withdrawal to be completed as soon as possible but in any case not later than 1 August 1948.
The mandatory Power shall advise the Commission, as far in advance as possible, of its intention to terminate the mandate and to evacuate each area. The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure that an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.

Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in Parts II and III below.
The period between the adoption by the General Assembly of its recommendation on the question of Palestine and the establishment of the independence of the Arab and Jewish States shall be a transitional period

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 - Wikisource

UN resolution 181 is irrelevant. It was never implemented. Palestine was never partitioned.

The Palestine Mandate never promised or set up a Jewish State.

Wrong, dummy. UN Res. 181 was implemented insofar as granting international legitimacy to Israeli statehood.

The Palestine Mandate set up a Jewish state, dummy...

Article 2

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions...

UN resolution was never implemented. None of it.

Article 2
I don't see "state" mentioned here.

Really? look at the bolded parts.

 

[Anguille]

Retard, open a book. Are your parents retarded, too?

careful, little chosen boy, you just broke one of USMB's few rules..

i'd sure hate to forward this to a mod...

He's not chosen but he is special. Cut him some slack for low IQ.

 

[P F Tinmore]

UN resolution was never implemented. None of it.

Wrong, dummy. UN Res. 181 was implemented in legitimizing Israeli statehood, its stated purpose.

Article 2
I don't see "state" mentioned here.

Dummy, you don't see very much. The Palestine Mandate establishes the legal, political and economic framework for Israeli statehood.

Do your homework, dummy. All key figures involved with the establishment of the Jewish homeland in Palestine, from Lord Balfour, on which the Palestine Mandate was based, to PM Lloyd George to Winston Churchill to Woodrow Wilson, who was instrumental in the creation of the League of Nations that adopted the Palestine Mandate, are all on record as agreeing that their vision for the Jewish National Home was eventual Israeli statehood.

The mandate called for a Jewish national home IN PALESTINE that would not inhibit the rights of the other citizens.

The Jews already had a national home in Palestine as Jews were already there and citizens of Palestine. The place of birth on their birth certificates said Palestine. They lived in peace with the Muslims and Christians who also lived in their homeland.

 

[Marc39]

The mandate called for a Jewish national home IN PALESTINE that would not inhibit the rights of the other citizens.

Dummy, the Mandate called for a Jewish National Home IN ALL of Palestine. It does not establish a homeland for non-Jews.

The Jews already had a national home in Palestine as Jews were already there and citizens of Palestine. The place of birth on their birth certificates said Palestine. They lived in peace with the Muslims and Christians who also lived in their homeland.

Jews did not live in peace with Muslims, dummy. Jews were persecuted and lived as dhimmis.

 

[P F Tinmore]

UN resolution 181 is irrelevant. It was never implemented. Palestine was never partitioned.

The Palestine Mandate never promised or set up a Jewish State.

And this is why I don't believe for a second you want "justice".

this is Resolution 181:



United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 - Wikisource

Wrong, dummy. UN Res. 181 was implemented insofar as granting international legitimacy to Israeli statehood.

The Palestine Mandate set up a Jewish state, dummy...

Article 2

UN resolution was never implemented. None of it.

Article 2
I don't see "state" mentioned here.

Really? look at the bolded parts.

B. STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE

A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.
The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission, which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent coordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required. The mandatory Power shall not take any action to prevent, obstruct or delay the implementation by the Commission of the measures recommended by the General Assembly.

On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in Part II of this Plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.
The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of the Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.

Subject to the provisions of these recommendations, during the transitional period the Provisional Councils of Government, acting under the Commission, shall have full authority in the areas under their control including authority over matters of immigration and land regulation.
The Provisional Council of Government of each State, acting under the Commission, shall progressively receive from the Commission full responsibility for the administration of that State in the period between the termination of the Mandate and the establishment of the State's independence.
The Commission shall instruct the Provisional Councils of Government of both the Arab and Jewish States, after their formation, to proceed to the establishment of administrative organs of government, central and local.
The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, within the shortest time possible, recruit an armed militia from the residents of that State, sufficient in number to maintain internal order and to prevent frontier clashes.

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 - Wikisource

When did all this happen? It didn't. Palestine was never partitioned and no state was established.

 

[Marc39]

And this is why I don't believe for a second you want "justice".

this is Resolution 181:



United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 - Wikisource

UN resolution was never implemented. None of it.

Article 2
I don't see "state" mentioned here.

Really? look at the bolded parts.

B. STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE

A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.
The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission, which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent coordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required. The mandatory Power shall not take any action to prevent, obstruct or delay the implementation by the Commission of the measures recommended by the General Assembly.

On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in Part II of this Plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.
The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of the Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.

Subject to the provisions of these recommendations, during the transitional period the Provisional Councils of Government, acting under the Commission, shall have full authority in the areas under their control including authority over matters of immigration and land regulation.
The Provisional Council of Government of each State, acting under the Commission, shall progressively receive from the Commission full responsibility for the administration of that State in the period between the termination of the Mandate and the establishment of the State's independence.
The Commission shall instruct the Provisional Councils of Government of both the Arab and Jewish States, after their formation, to proceed to the establishment of administrative organs of government, central and local.
The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, within the shortest time possible, recruit an armed militia from the residents of that State, sufficient in number to maintain internal order and to prevent frontier clashes.

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 - Wikisource

When did all this happen? It didn't. Palestine was never partitioned and no state was established.

Dummy, the fact that Arabs rejected partition did not revoke Israeli statehood, whose legal establishment is vested in the binding Palestine Mandate.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Really? look at the bolded parts.

B. STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE

A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.
The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission, which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent coordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required. The mandatory Power shall not take any action to prevent, obstruct or delay the implementation by the Commission of the measures recommended by the General Assembly.

On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in Part II of this Plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.
The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of the Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.

Subject to the provisions of these recommendations, during the transitional period the Provisional Councils of Government, acting under the Commission, shall have full authority in the areas under their control including authority over matters of immigration and land regulation.
The Provisional Council of Government of each State, acting under the Commission, shall progressively receive from the Commission full responsibility for the administration of that State in the period between the termination of the Mandate and the establishment of the State's independence.
The Commission shall instruct the Provisional Councils of Government of both the Arab and Jewish States, after their formation, to proceed to the establishment of administrative organs of government, central and local.
The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, within the shortest time possible, recruit an armed militia from the residents of that State, sufficient in number to maintain internal order and to prevent frontier clashes.

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 - Wikisource

When did all this happen? It didn't. Palestine was never partitioned and no state was established.

Dummy, the fact that Arabs rejected partition did not revoke Israeli statehood, whose legal establishment is vested in the binding Palestine Mandate.

The Mandate never called for a state.

When was any of 181 implemented. It was not. None of it. It is completely moot. It made no partition and created no state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

you know, you keep saying things like that. yet you presume that the propaganda that you listen to is true. I don't. And given your lack of knowledge of history, I don't know why I would accept your assertions about anything else.

How would Israel control all border crossings when Egypt shares at least one border?

Frankly, what you want is a situation where Israel has no defensible borders. And if you think I don't know that's what the lies are about, you're mistaken. People like you seem to think everyone else is stupid and they don't know when you're saying things that aren't true and don't know what your agenda is.

As for water, Israel already shares riparian rights with Syria, which has repeatedly tried to shut down Israel's access to water. Israel has no problem sharing riparian rights with the pals either. It's the pals who have asserted for as long as I can remember that Israel has no right to water.

I don't know what you're talking about in terms of Israel's right to "re-enter" Gaza. But if you mean that Israel will absolutely retaliate against terrorist attacks, well, yeah, and?

If someone were lobbing missiles at your children, you'd blow them off the face of the earth. Israel has been remarkably restrained in that regard, if not always perfect.

And if the pals won't agree to anything other than israel's self-immolation, well, that's their problem because jews aren't going to die to appease terrorists. In the meantime, the pals are the ones who want a state (which they should have formed in the last 60 plus years, anyway)... israel already has one.

Finally, as for refugees. Will never happen because disparate birth rates would have the pals overruning israel in a decade... and we all know that's what that argument is about, too.

Me? I want my great grandfather's property in Belarus. You out there fighting for my "right" to it?

I am curious about your "interest" in this subject, though, since it's clear your "knowledge" is intensely flawed and biased.

The US has been paying Egypt $2B a year since 1979 to side with Israel.

Israel has no borders.

Palestinians are rationed with little water while settlers have swimming pools and lush lawns.

The proposed Palestinian "state" would not be allowed any defense of its borders.

If someone was doing to you what Israel is doing to Gaza, you would be lobbing missiles too.

Whether Israel or Palestine are states are debatable issues.

I am just a person seeking justice.

how much does the U.S. give to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and the pals every year?

Israelis have water because they learned how to de-salinate and actually built things.

no. terrorists wouldn't be allowed to be armed. japan had no military for a long time, too. that's life.

Israel is surrounded by Arab countries, so I don't know what you're talking about in terms of Israel having no borders.

No. israel is a State. Too bad if you don't like that.

And no, you aren't a person seeking justice or you wouldn't be spreading lies and would actually learn your history. THEN you can talk about "justice".

And like I said... are you fighting for my right to my family's land in Belarus? Or is it just the only Jewish country that gets your ire?

What don't you understand about Israel having no borders. Israel has no borders. Palestine has defined borders that have not changed since before 1947. Israel is an undefined... well...something within Palestine's borders. You cannot point to any area on a map and claim it is inside Israel's borders. You can go from Gaza to Sderot or from the Jordan river to Tel Aviv without crossing a border.

One of the main attributes of a legitimate state is a territory within defined borders. Israel has none. Israel has political recognition but it has no legal standing.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Palestinians are Muslims, Christians, and Jews. They lived together peacefully for centuries. Those who wanted to move to, or return to, the Holy Land were welcome to do so. Palestine was self sufficient with a good export trade.

Then Israel came along and destroyed the Holy Land. There has been nothing but death and destruction since.

Where do you get your (mis)information?
Palestine in the 19th century was a pit, no one wanted it. I believe if you check Mark Twain you can find a colorful description of his sojourn to the holy lands which paints a vivid picture of the wretched conditions there.
As for Peace? There was peace during the Roman rule - Pax Romana - but since then, not so much. Just so you know - it was Arabs who invaded the region and took it from the eastern Romans (aka the Byzantines) and ended the centuries of peace.

 

[hylandrdet]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3787685.ece

In one year, Former President Jimmy Carter went from being arguably "the worst president ever" to now arguably "the greatest former president ever" after announcing today that Hamas is ready to drop its charter calling for the destruction of Israel.

With this announcement, Hamas has now put pressure on Israel to acknowledge that a Palestinian state must exist.

"Mr Carter said that Hamas would accept a peace deal reached in the current talks between Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, and Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian President – as long as the deal was brought before the entire Palestinian population in a referendum vote."

Srill, there are still many challenges that lie ahead.

1. Gathering the votes needed to approve any final deal. Hamas wants the Palestinians who were sent into exile by Israeli actions, to participate in the vote. Many militant Hamas leaders believe that the votes aren't there.

2. The borders of a potential Palestinian state must contain some part part of Jerusalem. This may be difficult when considering that 32% of Jerusalem population are muslim. This means factoring in massive relocations efforts.

3. Overcoming Israeli skepticism.

"The only Israeli cabinet member to meet with Mr Carter was Eli Yishai, the Minister of Trade and Industry.

Representatives in Mr Yishai’s office said that he would meet with Mr Carter again in the coming days.

“I would not call the Hamas comment today a serious step. I believe Hamas is toying with Mr Carter… they will never accept a peace deal,” one Israeli official said."

Hmmm... That sounds like the GOPs attitude towards a health care reform bill.

To make this long story short, Hamas appears to be sticking out their hand. The ball is now on Israel's court.

Your thoughts....

 

[Xenophon]

Thoughts?

Its the same unacceptable to israel thing they have pushed for years.

They said they would accept a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders if approved by Palestinians ... even though Hamas might disagree with some terms of the agreement

Which means HAMAS doesn't agree.

 

[Marc39]

What don't you understand about Israel having no borders. Israel has no borders.

Israel's borders were established by the League of Nations, dummy.

Palestine has defined borders that have not changed since before 1947.

Israel IS Palestine, dummy.

Balfour Declaration...

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

Israel is an undefined... well...something within Palestine's borders. You cannot point to any area on a map and claim it is inside Israel's borders. You can go from Gaza to Sderot or from the Jordan river to Tel Aviv without crossing a border.

The Palestine Mandate allocates all of Palestine to Israel, dummy...

Article 6

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

One of the main attributes of a legitimate state is a territory within defined borders. Israel has none. Israel has political recognition but it has no legal standing.

Dummy, I just proved you wrong.

Moron.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestine Mandate,[1] or Mandate for Palestine,[2] or British Mandate of Palestine was a legal instrument for the administration of Palestine formally approved by the League of Nations in June 1922, based on a draft by the principal Allied and associated powers after the First World War. The mandate formalized British rule in Palestine from 1917-1948. The boundaries of two new states were laid down within the territory of the Mandate, Palestine and Transjordan.[3][4]

Post war court decisions on statehood

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory detached from the Ottoman Empire to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations under the terms of the treaty. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain also decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[50]

The English High Court ruling in the King v Ketter case dealt with nationality under the Mandate. The Court held that the territory of Palestine was not transferred to Great Britain as a consequence of article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne and that residents were citizens of Palestine, not Great Britain.[51]

The Supreme Court of Palestine ruled in 1945 that Transjordan was a foreign state for the purposes of article 15 of the Palestine Citizenship Order.[52]

The Jewish national home

The United Nations Special Committee on Palestine said the Jewish National Home, which derived from the formulation of Zionist aspirations in the 1897 Basle program has provoked many discussions concerning its meaning, scope and legal character, especially since it had no known legal connotation and there are no precedents in international law for its interpretation. It was used in the Balfour Declaration and in the Mandate, both of which promised the establishment of a "Jewish National Home" without, however, defining its meaning. A statement on "British Policy in Palestine," issued on 3 June 1922 by the Colonial Office, placed a restrictive construction upon the Balfour Declaration. The statement excluded "the disappearance or subordination of the Arabic population, language or customs in Palestine" or "the imposition of Jewish nationality upon the inhabitants of Palestine as a whole", and made it clear that in the eyes of the mandatory Power, the Jewish National Home was to be founded in Palestine and not that Palestine as a whole was to be converted into a Jewish National Home. The Committee noted that the construction, which restricted considerably the scope of the National Home, was made prior to the confirmation of the Mandate by the Council of the League of Nations and was formally accepted at the time by the Executive of the Zionist Organization.[54]

British Mandate of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no "Israel" or "Jewish State" mentioned. The borders of Palestine were defined as I stated and remain unchanged.

Palestine is Palestine The Jewish homeland was to be set up in Palestine. Again no mention of "Israel" or Jewish State."

 

[Marc39]

The Palestine Mandate,[1] or Mandate for Palestine,[2] or British Mandate of Palestine was a legal instrument for the administration of Palestine formally approved by the League of Nations in June 1922, based on a draft by the principal Allied and associated powers after the First World War. The mandate formalized British rule in Palestine from 1917-1948. The boundaries of two new states were laid down within the territory of the Mandate, Palestine and Transjordan.[3][4]

Post war court decisions on statehood

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory detached from the Ottoman Empire to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations under the terms of the treaty. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain also decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[50]

The English High Court ruling in the King v Ketter case dealt with nationality under the Mandate. The Court held that the territory of Palestine was not transferred to Great Britain as a consequence of article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne and that residents were citizens of Palestine, not Great Britain.[51]

The Supreme Court of Palestine ruled in 1945 that Transjordan was a foreign state for the purposes of article 15 of the Palestine Citizenship Order.[52]

The Jewish national home

The United Nations Special Committee on Palestine said the Jewish National Home, which derived from the formulation of Zionist aspirations in the 1897 Basle program has provoked many discussions concerning its meaning, scope and legal character, especially since it had no known legal connotation and there are no precedents in international law for its interpretation. It was used in the Balfour Declaration and in the Mandate, both of which promised the establishment of a "Jewish National Home" without, however, defining its meaning. A statement on "British Policy in Palestine," issued on 3 June 1922 by the Colonial Office, placed a restrictive construction upon the Balfour Declaration. The statement excluded "the disappearance or subordination of the Arabic population, language or customs in Palestine" or "the imposition of Jewish nationality upon the inhabitants of Palestine as a whole", and made it clear that in the eyes of the mandatory Power, the Jewish National Home was to be founded in Palestine and not that Palestine as a whole was to be converted into a Jewish National Home. The Committee noted that the construction, which restricted considerably the scope of the National Home, was made prior to the confirmation of the Mandate by the Council of the League of Nations and was formally accepted at the time by the Executive of the Zionist Organization.[54]

British Mandate of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aimlessly cutting and pasting Wiki references without actually having studied the subject matter is amateurish and embarrassing, you big dummy.

There is no "Israel" or "Jewish State" mentioned. The borders of Palestine were defined as I stated and remain unchanged.

The reference to Jewish National Home was synonymous to Jewish state, as evidenced by its use in the Basle Programme in the First Zionist Congress...

Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law.

You see, dummy, the term "Israeli statehod" was assiduously avoided by Herzl and his colleagues so as not to cause alarm with the Ottoman Sultanate and by the parties involved with the drafting of the Palestine Mandate seeking to mollify the Arab population.

However, it is clear in studying the Palestine Mandate that the legal and political foundations were established for Jewish statehood and as I have already stated, dummy, the key figures at the time, from Lord Balfour to PM Lloyd George to Winston Churchill to Woodrow Wilson all went on record as stating their vision of eventual Israeli statehood flowing from the Jewish National Home.

You, of course are not informed of these facts as you are a big dummy.

Palestine is Palestine The Jewish homeland was to be set up in Palestine. Again no mention of "Israel" or Jewish State."

Again, you are brain-dead and thoroughly ill-equipped to discuss the matter.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestine Mandate,[1] or Mandate for Palestine,[2] or British Mandate of Palestine was a legal instrument for the administration of Palestine formally approved by the League of Nations in June 1922, based on a draft by the principal Allied and associated powers after the First World War. The mandate formalized British rule in Palestine from 1917-1948. The boundaries of two new states were laid down within the territory of the Mandate, Palestine and Transjordan.[3][4]

Post war court decisions on statehood

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory detached from the Ottoman Empire to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations under the terms of the treaty. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain also decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[50]

The English High Court ruling in the King v Ketter case dealt with nationality under the Mandate. The Court held that the territory of Palestine was not transferred to Great Britain as a consequence of article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne and that residents were citizens of Palestine, not Great Britain.[51]

The Supreme Court of Palestine ruled in 1945 that Transjordan was a foreign state for the purposes of article 15 of the Palestine Citizenship Order.[52]

The Jewish national home

The United Nations Special Committee on Palestine said the Jewish National Home, which derived from the formulation of Zionist aspirations in the 1897 Basle program has provoked many discussions concerning its meaning, scope and legal character, especially since it had no known legal connotation and there are no precedents in international law for its interpretation. It was used in the Balfour Declaration and in the Mandate, both of which promised the establishment of a "Jewish National Home" without, however, defining its meaning. A statement on "British Policy in Palestine," issued on 3 June 1922 by the Colonial Office, placed a restrictive construction upon the Balfour Declaration. The statement excluded "the disappearance or subordination of the Arabic population, language or customs in Palestine" or "the imposition of Jewish nationality upon the inhabitants of Palestine as a whole", and made it clear that in the eyes of the mandatory Power, the Jewish National Home was to be founded in Palestine and not that Palestine as a whole was to be converted into a Jewish National Home. The Committee noted that the construction, which restricted considerably the scope of the National Home, was made prior to the confirmation of the Mandate by the Council of the League of Nations and was formally accepted at the time by the Executive of the Zionist Organization.[54]

British Mandate of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aimlessly cutting and pasting Wiki references without actually having studied the subject matter is amateurish and embarrassing, you big dummy.

There is no "Israel" or "Jewish State" mentioned. The borders of Palestine were defined as I stated and remain unchanged.

The reference to Jewish National Home was synonymous to Jewish state, as evidenced by its use in the Basle Programme in the First Zionist Congress...

Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law.

You see, dummy, the term "Israeli statehod" was assiduously avoided by Herzl and his colleagues so as not to cause alarm with the Ottoman Sultanate and by the parties involved with the drafting of the Palestine Mandate seeking to mollify the Arab population.

However, it is clear in studying the Palestine Mandate that the legal and political foundations were established for Jewish statehood and as I have already stated, dummy, the key figures at the time, from Lord Balfour to PM Lloyd George to Winston Churchill to Woodrow Wilson all went on record as stating their vision of eventual Israeli statehood flowing from the Jewish National Home.

You, of course are not informed of these facts as you are a big dummy.

Palestine is Palestine The Jewish homeland was to be set up in Palestine. Again no mention of "Israel" or Jewish State."

Again, you are brain-dead and thoroughly ill-equipped to discuss the matter.

I think you are grasping at straws.

A homeland for the Jews in Palestine. What would that look like? What would that have to be?