BREAKING!! Michael Mann.....climate criminal?

[Peterf]

That is not what they do. If you think it is, then show us the research that comes to opposing conclusions. If the IPCC's position is false, the majority of research must also come to opposing conclusions. It should be child's play to find such work. Have at it.

It is what they do. The even have included opinion pieces from environmentalist activists as supposedly "peer reviewed".

IPCC has been smoked out as the political hack machine that it is. Time to wake up and smell the latte.

No, hold your noses. The smell emanating from the steaming, festering heap of warmist propaganda is not that of coffee but something foul.

 

[IanC]

That is not what they do. If you think it is, then show us the research that comes to opposing conclusions. If the IPCC's position is false, the majority of research must also come to opposing conclusions. It should be child's play to find such work. Have at it.

It is what they do. The even have included opinion pieces from environmentalist activists as supposedly "peer reviewed".

IPCC has been smoked out as the political hack machine that it is. Time to wake up and smell the latte.

No, hold your noses. The smell emanating from the steaming, festering heap of warmist propaganda is not that of coffee but something foul.

I thought the consensus was that civet-poop coffee was the best in the world!

 

[skookerasbil]

Clearly the bitter cold winter has resulted in Americans reassessing the whole global warming issue. Lets face it, when you are standing outside shoveling 40 feet of snow and your balls are turning blue.......and then you hear the president say that the issue of global warming is settled......you start scratching your balls and your head. Accordingly, in the last 6 weeks or so, the far left has gone full blown retard with the bomb throwing on global warming.......if there is an extra cloud in the sky these days its a global warming event. For skeptics, its good news.......and a quick look across the ocean to Europe tells one that the whole global warming alarmism is being ignored by the people. Green energy subsidies are being thrown under the bus as we speak due to staggering costs........people are finally getting that there is a huge cost attached to a theory. And they are using common sense and punting!!!

 

[Abraham3]

I thought that the distinction between weather and climate was something that the general public had come to understand early on in this debate.

Either I was wrong or those opposing the IPCC have again chosen ignore the facts.

 

[skookerasbil]

I thought that the distinction between weather and climate was something that the general public had come to understand early on in this debate.

Either I was wrong or those opposing the IPCC have again chosen ignore the facts.

Yeah..... but over time, people have seen the double talk on this. They see the hard core AGW crowd stripping their teeth and spitting if a weather event is mentioned by a skeptic crowd "its about the climate, not weather!!!".......but turn around the next week and go full blown retard when a typhoon blasts and island in the pacific. In 2014, the bogusness has been exposed. The iPhone zombie OCD's are probably still duped though......and that's a lot of dummies for the AGW k00ks to take advantage of.

 

[laziale]

go to hell for criminal people.

 

[Abraham3]

Welcome to the board.

What criminal people?

 

[Abraham3]

I thought that the distinction between weather and climate was something that the general public had come to understand early on in this debate.

Either I was wrong or those opposing the IPCC have again chosen ignore the facts.

Yeah..... but over time, people have seen the double talk on this. They see the hard core AGW crowd stripping their teeth and spitting if a weather event is mentioned by a skeptic crowd "its about the climate, not weather!!!".......but turn around the next week and go full blown retard when a typhoon blasts and island in the pacific. In 2014, the bogusness has been exposed. The iPhone zombie OCD's are probably still duped though......and that's a lot of dummies for the AGW k00ks to take advantage of.

What you have heard from us repeatedly is that global warming will bring more intense weather. What you have heard about this particular winter is that the Rossby waves in the circumpolar vortex (jet stream) have been caused by the warming of the Arctic reducing the delta T between the Equator and the Pole. If you want to talk about the temperature in Green Bay TODAY, you are talking about the weather and you are NOT talking about the climate. If you catch any of us doing the same thing, I invite you to correct us on the matter.

 

[mamooth]

Or it's the crushing weight of the atmosphere of Venus swamps any "Global Warming"

Um, no. A denser atmosphere alone would have no effect on temps, if no greenhouse gases were involved.

Oh wait, I take that back. A denser atmosphere, if it had no greenhouse gases, and didn't make the atmosphere deeper, would have a cooling effect, since the denser gas would conduct heat outward faster.

And fer Glub's sake, don't embarrass yourself by citing the Ideal Gas Law, which only applies to a closed system and has jack to do with heat flow.

 

[flacaltenn]

I thought that the distinction between weather and climate was something that the general public had come to understand early on in this debate.

Either I was wrong or those opposing the IPCC have again chosen ignore the facts.

Yeah..... but over time, people have seen the double talk on this. They see the hard core AGW crowd stripping their teeth and spitting if a weather event is mentioned by a skeptic crowd "its about the climate, not weather!!!".......but turn around the next week and go full blown retard when a typhoon blasts and island in the pacific. In 2014, the bogusness has been exposed. The iPhone zombie OCD's are probably still duped though......and that's a lot of dummies for the AGW k00ks to take advantage of.

The cat is out of the bag. Trenberth, the AMeteroSoc and others are teaming up to indoctrinate your local TV waether teams to purposely confound the diffs between climate and weather. There is NO DOUBT who condones the confusion...

 

[Abraham3]

Trenberth, the AMeteroSoc and others are teaming up to indoctrinate your local TV waether teams to purposely confound the diffs between climate and weather. There is NO DOUBT who condones the confusion...

Again, EVIDENCE? LINKS?

 

[Abraham3]

Trenberth, the AMeteroSoc and others are teaming up to indoctrinate your local TV waether teams to purposely confound the diffs between climate and weather.

Again, EVIDENCE? LINKS?

 

[Abraham3]

Why don't you explain, using the greenhouse hypothesis as described by climate science, why the base of the troposphere on Uranus is 33K warmer than the base of the troposphere on earth even though Uranus is 30X further away from the sun than earth and has an atmosphere composed almost entirely of hydrogen and helium.

From Wikipedia's article on Uranus:

It is the coldest planetary atmosphere in the Solar System, with a minimum temperature of 49 K (−224.2 °C), and has a complex, layered cloud structure, with water thought to make up the lowest clouds, and methane the uppermost layer of clouds. In contrast, the interior of Uranus is mainly composed of ices and rock.

...

The standard model of Uranus's structure is that it consists of three layers: a rocky (silicate/iron-nickel) core in the center, an icy mantle in the middle and an outer gaseous hydrogen/helium envelope. The core is relatively small, with a mass of only 0.55 Earth masses and a radius less than 20% of Uranus's; the mantle comprises its bulk, with around 13.4 Earth masses, whereas the upper atmosphere is relatively insubstantial, weighing about 0.5 Earth masses and extending for the last 20% of Uranus's radius. Uranus's core density is around 9 g/cm3, with a pressure in the center of 8 million bars (800 GPa) and a temperature of about 5000 K. The ice mantle is not in fact composed of ice in the conventional sense, but of a hot and dense fluid consisting of water, ammonia and other volatiles. This fluid, which has a high electrical conductivity, is sometimes called a water–ammonia ocean.
According to research conducted at the University of California, Berkeley, the extreme pressure and temperature deep within Uranus may break up the methane molecules, with the carbon atoms condensing into crystals of diamond that rain down through the mantle like hailstones. Very-high-pressure experiments at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory suggest that the base of the mantle may comprise an ocean of liquid diamond, with floating solid 'diamond-bergs'.

...

Troposphere
The troposphere is the lowest and densest part of the atmosphere and is characterized by a decrease in temperature with altitude. The temperature falls from about 320 K at the base of the nominal troposphere at −300 km to 53 K at 50 km. The temperatures in the coldest upper region of the troposphere (the tropopause) actually vary in the range between 49 and 57 K depending on planetary latitude. The tropopause region is responsible for the vast majority of Uranus's thermal far infrared emissions, thus determining its effective temperature of 59.1 ± 0.3 K.
The troposphere is believed to possess a highly complex cloud structure; water clouds are hypothesised to lie in the pressure range of 50 to 100 bar (5 to 10 MPa), ammonium hydrosulfide clouds in the range of 20 to 40 bar (2 to 4 MPa), ammonia or hydrogen sulfide clouds at between 3 and 10 bar (0.3 to 1 MPa) and finally directly detected thin methane clouds at 1 to 2 bar (0.1 to 0.2 MPa). The troposphere is a very dynamic part of the atmosphere, exhibiting strong winds, bright clouds and seasonal changes.

Now what was your question?

 

[skookerasbil]

I thought that the distinction between weather and climate was something that the general public had come to understand early on in this debate.

Either I was wrong or those opposing the IPCC have again chosen ignore the facts.

Yeah..... but over time, people have seen the double talk on this. They see the hard core AGW crowd stripping their teeth and spitting if a weather event is mentioned by a skeptic crowd "its about the climate, not weather!!!".......but turn around the next week and go full blown retard when a typhoon blasts and island in the pacific. In 2014, the bogusness has been exposed. The iPhone zombie OCD's are probably still duped though......and that's a lot of dummies for the AGW k00ks to take advantage of.

What you have heard from us repeatedly is that global warming will bring more intense weather. What you have heard about this particular winter is that the Rossby waves in the circumpolar vortex (jet stream) have been caused by the warming of the Arctic reducing the delta T between the Equator and the Pole. If you want to talk about the temperature in Green Bay TODAY, you are talking about the weather and you are NOT talking about the climate. If you catch any of us doing the same thing, I invite you to correct us on the matter.

s0n.....you're confused.


I posted up a thread on Green Bay having the coldest winder EVER. And who was one of the first to respond?

You!!!!


What a dickhead.......if weather is irrelevant in your mind, why bother chiming in on the weather??


And by the way......the more intense weather thing is so bogus and phoney its beyond stoopid. Indeed.....intense weather has had ups and downs forever as is clearly displayed by clicking on this link >>>

HISTORICAL CHRONOLOGY OF EXTREME WEATEHR>>>>>>>> http://worldtimeline.info/weather/


absolutely decimates the whole "extreme weather" ruse that is perpetuated by the climate nuts.

 

[Abraham3]

Winter (not "winder") is not weather, it's a season. That just long enough to begin having some significance.

Now you've got to think about the rest of the planet. You've seen the pictures of the jet stream. For every area unseasonable chilled by the jet stream dipping south, an equivalent area is unseasonably warmed by the jet stream bending north.

That's not that complicated an idea. I'm sure if you concentrate just a little you'll be able to grasp it.

 

[natstew]

They should throw him in jail

Immediately

And Algore right with him. They can be butt buddies!

 

[Abraham3]

They should throw him in jail

Immediately

I think the world would be better served if they threw you in jail Frank, followed by natstew, who seems to want to volunteer to be your butt buddie. But we can't always get what we need.

How many times have you heard mainstream climate science supporters (like Mamooth, Old Rock, I and others) state that Lord Monckton or Steve McIntyre or Anthony Watts or Roger Pielke Sr or Roy Spencer be thrown in jail? Ever? Likely not. Yet yours must be the tenth or twentieth time I've heard deniers say that Michael Mann deserves to go to prison.

What the **** is wrong with you people?

 

[HelenaHandbag]

This thread needs some music.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAlMomLvu_4]Censoring The Decrease in Global Temperatures - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Abraham3]

You Tube, the finest in objective scientific resources.

Tell us, Helen, if you had Michael Mann on the gallows trapdoor with a noose around his neck, would you pull the lever to send him hurtling down, watch him choke and turn purple and shit himself? Would you enjoy that? Would you feel you'd done the world a great service? Do any of you out there think you'd change any climate scientists' minds by getting rid of Michael Mann?

 

[SSDD]

Why don't you explain, using the greenhouse hypothesis as described by climate science, why the base of the troposphere on Uranus is 33K warmer than the base of the troposphere on earth even though Uranus is 30X further away from the sun than earth and has an atmosphere composed almost entirely of hydrogen and helium.

From Wikipedia's article on Uranus:

It is the coldest planetary atmosphere in the Solar System, with a minimum temperature of 49 K (−224.2 °C), and has a complex, layered cloud structure, with water thought to make up the lowest clouds, and methane the uppermost layer of clouds. In contrast, the interior of Uranus is mainly composed of ices and rock.

...

The standard model of Uranus's structure is that it consists of three layers: a rocky (silicate/iron-nickel) core in the center, an icy mantle in the middle and an outer gaseous hydrogen/helium envelope. The core is relatively small, with a mass of only 0.55 Earth masses and a radius less than 20% of Uranus's; the mantle comprises its bulk, with around 13.4 Earth masses, whereas the upper atmosphere is relatively insubstantial, weighing about 0.5 Earth masses and extending for the last 20% of Uranus's radius. Uranus's core density is around 9 g/cm3, with a pressure in the center of 8 million bars (800 GPa) and a temperature of about 5000 K. The ice mantle is not in fact composed of ice in the conventional sense, but of a hot and dense fluid consisting of water, ammonia and other volatiles. This fluid, which has a high electrical conductivity, is sometimes called a water–ammonia ocean.
According to research conducted at the University of California, Berkeley, the extreme pressure and temperature deep within Uranus may break up the methane molecules, with the carbon atoms condensing into crystals of diamond that rain down through the mantle like hailstones. Very-high-pressure experiments at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory suggest that the base of the mantle may comprise an ocean of liquid diamond, with floating solid 'diamond-bergs'.

...

Troposphere
The troposphere is the lowest and densest part of the atmosphere and is characterized by a decrease in temperature with altitude. The temperature falls from about 320 K at the base of the nominal troposphere at −300 km to 53 K at 50 km. The temperatures in the coldest upper region of the troposphere (the tropopause) actually vary in the range between 49 and 57 K depending on planetary latitude. The tropopause region is responsible for the vast majority of Uranus's thermal far infrared emissions, thus determining its effective temperature of 59.1 ± 0.3 K.
The troposphere is believed to possess a highly complex cloud structure; water clouds are hypothesised to lie in the pressure range of 50 to 100 bar (5 to 10 MPa), ammonium hydrosulfide clouds in the range of 20 to 40 bar (2 to 4 MPa), ammonia or hydrogen sulfide clouds at between 3 and 10 bar (0.3 to 1 MPa) and finally directly detected thin methane clouds at 1 to 2 bar (0.1 to 0.2 MPa). The troposphere is a very dynamic part of the atmosphere, exhibiting strong winds, bright clouds and seasonal changes.

Now what was your question?

The defeat just never ends for you, does it? My question was, using the greenhouse effect as described by climate science, explain why the BASE OF THE TROPOSPHERE on uranus is 33K warmer than the base of the troposphere on earth in spite of the fact that it is 30X further away from the sun and has an atmosphere composed almost entirely of hydrogen and helium. Clearly, in your zeal to try and prove me wrong, you never bothered to look at the temperature profile of Uranus. Here, from wiki since you seem to trust that site... Note that the profile on wiki puts the temperature even more than 33K warmer than the base of the troposphere on earth.