Right, because only police states have planes and roads and postal services and public parks and food safety standards and drug safety standards.
Again with the argumentum absurdum you gutless hack.
The government does regulate where and how those planes can fly, dipshit.
But go ahead, shut all that down and go fly somewhere. Let us know how that works out.
Great start and analogy.
This analogy --- not so good. Yes, the micromanagement of soft drink sizes is overreach, BUT trans fats are in no way comparable. It's not a "choice" anyone wants-- as we said nobody goes shopping for trans fats, sprinkles them on their food or even advertises it. For the same reason nobody advertises how many bug parts and rodent droppings are in their hot dogs.
Let's develop that --
>> Here’s a taste of what you can expect to find on the table this Thanksgiving. Bon appétit!
Canned mushrooms can include more than 20 maggots “of any size” and 75 mites, per 100 grams. Same goes for 15 grams of dried mushrooms. No more than 10% of your mushrooms can be “decomposed.”
For every 100 grams of ground cinnamon, it’s OK to include 400 or more insect fragments (legs, heads, wings, thoraxes, etc.), and 22 or more rodent hairs—a substance the FDA charmingly refers to as “rodent filth.”
Brussels sprouts can include 30 or more tiny insects, called aphids, per every 100 grams of veggie. << (source)
..... Is the Big Bad fascist FDA depriving us of the right to eat more maggots? Are my Constitutional rights to munch rodent hairs infringed here? Who is the government to tell me I can't have insect thoraxes?
This is the absurd point we reach when we ride the ideological dogma into the ground. Makes no sense. Defending the right for a company we're not part of to inject toxins into food that we wouldn't eat anyway? What the hell is the point?
Once AGAIN -- what the FDA is doing is proposing, with the requisite comment period, to take trans fats off the GRAS list. ALL of what we eat is already regulated by the GRAS list, and as noted before, not nearly to the extent it should be (see Aspartame -- if only some of you so rabid about government abuse were equally vigilant about corporate abuse, but noooooo....)
No. It isn't. This is the FDA. The government has been overseeing safety standards in food and drugs for over a century and a half. Because as you correctly noted at the top, institutional regulation is necessary.
Some people just need to pull their head out of the Rand.
Right, because only police states have planes and roads and postal services and public parks and food safety standards and drug safety standards.
Again with the argumentum absurdum you gutless hack.
Again, learn the meaning of sarcasm. Perhaps you're just not smart enough.
It's prolly the lead paint you're eating as a matter of principle.
Hey, get the FDA on it.
This is where the irony comes in -- the same wags (not you but others) who sing the blues about the government übercontrol, claiming they want the choice to poison themselves, also gang up to neg me, trying to übercontrol my posts. My hypocrisy meter finds that hilarious.
You offer mostly bullshit, with a strong dose of blowing smoke.
Hey, get the FDA on it.
This is where the irony comes in -- the same wags (not you but others) who sing the blues about the government übercontrol, claiming they want the choice to poison themselves, also gang up to neg me, trying to übercontrol my posts. My hypocrisy meter finds that hilarious.
As you pointed out, I neg no one. Besides, I like you and your posts, why would I neg you?
I like a lot of people around here that I disagree with.
Great start and analogy.
This analogy --- not so good. Yes, the micromanagement of soft drink sizes is overreach, BUT trans fats are in no way comparable. It's not a "choice" anyone wants-- as we said nobody goes shopping for trans fats, sprinkles them on their food or even advertises it. For the same reason nobody advertises how many bug parts and rodent droppings are in their hot dogs.
Let's develop that --
>> Here’s a taste of what you can expect to find on the table this Thanksgiving. Bon appétit!
Canned mushrooms can include more than 20 maggots “of any size” and 75 mites, per 100 grams. Same goes for 15 grams of dried mushrooms. No more than 10% of your mushrooms can be “decomposed.”
For every 100 grams of ground cinnamon, it’s OK to include 400 or more insect fragments (legs, heads, wings, thoraxes, etc.), and 22 or more rodent hairs—a substance the FDA charmingly refers to as “rodent filth.”
Brussels sprouts can include 30 or more tiny insects, called aphids, per every 100 grams of veggie. << (source)
..... Is the Big Bad fascist FDA depriving us of the right to eat more maggots? Are my Constitutional rights to munch rodent hairs infringed here? Who is the government to tell me I can't have insect thoraxes?
This is the absurd point we reach when we ride the ideological dogma into the ground. Makes no sense. Defending the right for a company we're not part of to inject toxins into food that we wouldn't eat anyway? What the hell is the point?
Once AGAIN -- what the FDA is doing is proposing, with the requisite comment period, to take trans fats off the GRAS list. ALL of what we eat is already regulated by the GRAS list, and as noted before, not nearly to the extent it should be (see Aspartame -- if only some of you so rabid about government abuse were equally vigilant about corporate abuse, but noooooo....)
No. It isn't. This is the FDA. The government has been overseeing safety standards in food and drugs for over a century and a half. Because as you correctly noted at the top, institutional regulation is necessary.
Some people just need to pull their head out of the Rand.
The problem we have here, my dear friend Pogo, is a failure to communicate.
I have not at any time objected to NECESSARY regulation from government that ensures safety in our food supply that we cannot reasonably achieve on our own. So yes, manufacturers should be required to use safe canning and other production methods, reasonable sanitation, and should be required to be honest and ethical in the labeling of their products.
There is a HUGE difference between that and the government dictating to us what we must or must not buy, what size soft drink we will be permitted to purchase, or even whether we should be able to enjoy a product including trans fat if we enjoy that product. I have no problem with the government issuing guidelines and warnings about certain products, but if you love liberty more than you trust Big Brother and the nanny state, it should be our choice what we will eat or drink. For example, I enjoy peanut butter. Just because the same product could be fatal to my neighbor, there is no reason that I should not enjoy it and there is no justification for the government banning it.
the influence of different substances on the human body is a constant research theme and as such is destined to ever change.
That is why we have FDA to start with.
To regulate and mandate the INDUSTRIES which produce food, nutritional supplements and medications.
That is the agency's sole purpose.
yes, I have a personal professional beef with the agency - because there are tons of decisions which are questionable at best.
But neither of those decisions is impacting the freedom of choice to eat, drink, even medicate oneself. Because, as I have stated before - the agency regulates the process of synthesis, maintenance and safe distribution of the substances which are done by businesses for profit.
equating this regulatory necessity with one's freedom of choice to ingest poisons - is a humongous stretch.
you can manufacture and then ingest a lot of poisons - and there is the whole internet to educate you how to do that. You can do it if you chose to.
Does not mean those particular and proven poisons should be allowed in an industry for massive consumption.
It is exactly the area where we, collectively, and with grumpy regret, delegate some of our unlimited freedoms to the agency and expect it to maintain our safety and security in response.
Trans fats are neither necessary nor beneficial for the food you are eating. Same is pertinent for high fructose corn syrup - which should have been banned a decade ago 9 but the lobby is too potent).
Making trans fats a banner of freedom is ridiculous, to say the least.
it is strange that a ban on butter in NYC schools did not encounter such a fierce resistance - and the latter one is an example of exponential idiocy - because butter is not only healthy and natural, it looks like the nutritional science and medicine will make a full circle and return to the point of start - where all of us were eating butter, lard and natural vegetable oils only
