BP: Okay? Now what?

[The T]

Apparently the crickets have more to say than the dogs.

This is Obama's concept of leadership. He thinks that beating up on them, maybe destroying BP as an operating company is what leadership is all about. Their own people failed at regulating BP and this is just a cover-up of that failure.

-And all the while [as they demonize them] have their hands out for campaign cash-

 

[Big Fitz]

Apparently the crickets have more to say than the dogs.

This is Obama's concept of leadership. He thinks that beating up on them, maybe destroying BP as an operating company is what leadership is all about. Their own people failed at regulating BP and this is just a cover-up of that failure.

-And all the while [as they demonize them] have their hands out for campaign cash-

In zee olde country, we call zees "Extortion".

Give us money and we will prosecute you.
NO!
Give us money OR we'll prosecute you?
NO!
Give us money and we WON'T prosecute you?
Ummm okay?
HAH! We lie! We take your cash tax you AND prosecute you!

 

[The T]

This is Obama's concept of leadership. He thinks that beating up on them, maybe destroying BP as an operating company is what leadership is all about. Their own people failed at regulating BP and this is just a cover-up of that failure.

-And all the while [as they demonize them] have their hands out for campaign cash-

In zee olde country, we call zees "Extortion".

Give us money and we will prosecute you.
NO!
Give us money OR we'll prosecute you?
NO!
Give us money and we WON'T prosecute you?
Ummm okay?
HAH! We lie! We take your cash tax you AND prosecute you!

Bingo. It's ALL about power of the Imperial FED...period.

 

[Care4all]

If Holder and Co are going to go after those responsible, does that also include the government? Seems to me blame lies with both BP and uncle.



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Separate cases....

the MMS employees should be brought up on bribery charges, with BP or whoever it was, as the briber.

BP and their partners, CAUSED this mess, and they should PAY for this mess....I could care less if criminal charges are brought up against them, unless of course, they also did break the law...then of course, I would EXPECT charges against them, for what THEY did wrong/criminal.

Not disagreeing with you Care, just pointing out that, imo, both BP and MMS (gov) are at fault. . . . . BP more so.

bp did not do this, the company they hired did....so far, bp has said the ''buck stops here'' but be certain bp will sue the company they hired for some of the cost of the damages....

the mms was bribed or received tit for tat from the oil industry, and became too cozy with them....this WAS THE GOAL of the oil companies that sent ''people out'' to do this....

they offered the bribes, drugs, sex so that they could get mms to ''look the other way''....they are the bribers, mms was the bribed...both criminal, imho.

 

[Old Rocks]

BWAHAHA......

Obama is going to "punish" ALL "BIG OIL" by withdrawing all subsidies.



Gee, I wonder how ExxonMobil, Shell, BP, et al could possibly survive without government help???

Well, I think we will see how well they survive in that manner.

And we can damned well tax the oil now to start us down the road to energy independence, and independence from the robber barons.

 

[Old Rocks]

-And all the while [as they demonize them] have their hands out for campaign cash-

In zee olde country, we call zees "Extortion".

Give us money and we will prosecute you.
NO!
Give us money OR we'll prosecute you?
NO!
Give us money and we WON'T prosecute you?
Ummm okay?
HAH! We lie! We take your cash tax you AND prosecute you!

Bingo. It's ALL about power of the Imperial FED...period.

Sure, you dumb shit. All about power. That is how we damned near ended up in the Second Great Republican Depression. And now, thanks to the criminal incompetance of another corperation, we have the greatest ecological catastrophe this nation has ever suffered happening as we post.

But for you, it is all about your stupid hatred of the government. And the leaders of that government that were elected by the people of this nation.

The fault of our government is that we have not kept the greedy that were in positions to great harm on a tight rein.

 

[elvis]

In zee olde country, we call zees "Extortion".

Give us money and we will prosecute you.
NO!
Give us money OR we'll prosecute you?
NO!
Give us money and we WON'T prosecute you?
Ummm okay?
HAH! We lie! We take your cash tax you AND prosecute you!

Bingo. It's ALL about power of the Imperial FED...period.

Sure, you dumb shit. All about power. That is how we damned near ended up in the Second Great Republican Depression. And now, thanks to the criminal incompetance of another corperation, we have the greatest ecological catastrophe this nation has ever suffered happening as we post.

But for you, it is all about your stupid hatred of the government. And the leaders of that government that were elected by the people of this nation.

The fault of our government is that we have not kept the greedy that were in positions to great harm on a tight rein.

are you ever going to explain when clinton became a republican, Monica?

 

[Old Rocks]

I listen to the news and keep thinking the econazis are just dogs chasing cars. They wanna catch one, but once they do, they've no idea what to do with it.

So, civil and criminal investigations have begun against BP. What do you hope to achieve? Put them out of business? Lock up the board of directors? Round up all the investors and send them all to a prison or something for daring to invest in an inherently evil company?

What do you think the consequences of your actions are going to be if you shut BP down? How is that good for you, your family, your locality, your state, your nation, the whole world? BP is a leading producer of petroleum and in that helps keep modern society moving. If they did not contribute their part, what good will come of it?

Do you foresee any problems with your 'solution' to BP? Any unintended consequences perchance? What will happen when production drops?

What then dawg? What will you do when you catch one-a-them cars?

are you saying that if someone donates a million dollars to charity a year and employs a bunch of people they should never be charged with murder, even if they murdered someone, because of the good they did, or they should never be charged with any criminal acts that they DID or even be investigated for them, because they did a lot of good?

That sure sounds like what your gripe is about and if it is, then i totally disagree with you.

***NOTE

your thread starter post is the only one i have read, so far.....plus a few others, but not the whole thread

To prove murder, you have to prove they intended to kill. At best you can probably get is manslaughter. Most likely you'll get a civil judgment of accidental death.

Second, trying to tar, feather, plop on a rail and drag off to the gallows for a brief recital of the "Stonegate Jig" is going to do the world no favors in the short term, and probably long term in an essential industry for the operation of the entire world.

My mother used to call it 'cutting off one's nose to spite their face'. That's what these screams for death, dismemberment and destruction for BP remind me of. People demanding the doing of stupid things that only hurt themselves in the end for the short term schadenfreude enjoyment of seeing others suffer more first.

Murder is not the charge. Negligent Homocide. And easily provable by their own records.

Holding all involved, at BP and the MMS, accountable has to be done. If the total bill, which is likely, exceeds the value of BP's assets in the US, then those assets should be seized in order to pay as much as possible.

 

[Old Rocks]

Bingo. It's ALL about power of the Imperial FED...period.

Sure, you dumb shit. All about power. That is how we damned near ended up in the Second Great Republican Depression. And now, thanks to the criminal incompetance of another corperation, we have the greatest ecological catastrophe this nation has ever suffered happening as we post.

But for you, it is all about your stupid hatred of the government. And the leaders of that government that were elected by the people of this nation.

The fault of our government is that we have not kept the greedy that were in positions to great harm on a tight rein.

are you ever going to explain when clinton became a republican, Monica?

Oh, go out and find yourself a TV holy roller preacher, Rent-a-Boy.

 

[elvis]

Sure, you dumb shit. All about power. That is how we damned near ended up in the Second Great Republican Depression. And now, thanks to the criminal incompetance of another corperation, we have the greatest ecological catastrophe this nation has ever suffered happening as we post.

But for you, it is all about your stupid hatred of the government. And the leaders of that government that were elected by the people of this nation.

The fault of our government is that we have not kept the greedy that were in positions to great harm on a tight rein.

are you ever going to explain when clinton became a republican, Monica?

Oh, go out and find yourself a TV holy roller preacher, Rent-a-Boy.

I guess not. This "rent-a-boy agency you keep talking about...

Is that how you and chris hooked up?

 

[American Horse]

Separate cases....

the MMS employees should be brought up on bribery charges, with BP or whoever it was, as the briber.

BP and their partners, CAUSED this mess, and they should PAY for this mess....I could care less if criminal charges are brought up against them, unless of course, they also did break the law...then of course, I would EXPECT charges against them, for what THEY did wrong/criminal.

Not disagreeing with you Care, just pointing out that, imo, both BP and MMS (gov) are at fault. . . . . BP more so.

bp did not do this, the company they hired did....so far, bp has said the ''buck stops here'' but be certain bp will sue the company they hired for some of the cost of the damages....

the mms was bribed or received tit for tat from the oil industry, and became too cozy with them....this WAS THE GOAL of the oil companies that sent ''people out'' to do this....

they offered the bribes, drugs, sex so that they could get mms to ''look the other way''....they are the bribers, mms was the bribed...both criminal, imho.

It always starts very subtly at first in very small ways, (local game tickets for instance) and then procedes more and more to greater influence.

Since regulation of this type industry is necessary, how do we "keep our boot on the necks" of the regulators so as to not be bribed by sex and drugs when they are eventually offered, which they are and always will be, by the regulated?

 

[Care4all]

Not disagreeing with you Care, just pointing out that, imo, both BP and MMS (gov) are at fault. . . . . BP more so.

bp did not do this, the company they hired did....so far, bp has said the ''buck stops here'' but be certain bp will sue the company they hired for some of the cost of the damages....

the mms was bribed or received tit for tat from the oil industry, and became too cozy with them....this WAS THE GOAL of the oil companies that sent ''people out'' to do this....

they offered the bribes, drugs, sex so that they could get mms to ''look the other way''....they are the bribers, mms was the bribed...both criminal, imho.

It always starts very subtly at first in very small ways, (local game tickets for instance) and then procedes more and more to greater influence.

Since regulation of this type industry is necessary, how do we "keep our boot on the necks" of the regulators so as to not be bribed by sex and drugs when they are eventually offered, which they are and always will be, by the regulated?

well, i actually think the administration's idea of SPLITTING it, is good and should help... those that are responsible for inspecting/regulating them, are not the same people giving them leases....

i was in a position where vendors tried to ''bribe'' me all the time....with dinners/drinks/ gifts at Christmas/flowers for birthdays etc...all to try to get me to buy their product....yet not once, could i be bribed....character has a lot to do with it....there are unbribeable people out there.

 

[The T]

Sure, you dumb shit. All about power. That is how we damned near ended up in the Second Great Republican Depression. And now, thanks to the criminal incompetance of another corperation, we have the greatest ecological catastrophe this nation has ever suffered happening as we post.

But for you, it is all about your stupid hatred of the government. And the leaders of that government that were elected by the people of this nation.

The fault of our government is that we have not kept the greedy that were in positions to great harm on a tight rein.

are you ever going to explain when clinton became a republican, Monica?

Oh, go out and find yourself a TV holy roller preacher, Rent-a-Boy.

And THIS has to do with the topic...HOW exactly?

 

[The T]

are you ever going to explain when clinton became a republican, Monica?

Oh, go out and find yourself a TV holy roller preacher, Rent-a-Boy.

I guess not. This "rent-a-boy agency you keep talking about...

Is that how you and chris hooked up?

Nailed.

 

[The T]

bp did not do this, the company they hired did....so far, bp has said the ''buck stops here'' but be certain bp will sue the company they hired for some of the cost of the damages....

the mms was bribed or received tit for tat from the oil industry, and became too cozy with them....this WAS THE GOAL of the oil companies that sent ''people out'' to do this....

they offered the bribes, drugs, sex so that they could get mms to ''look the other way''....they are the bribers, mms was the bribed...both criminal, imho.

It always starts very subtly at first in very small ways, (local game tickets for instance) and then procedes more and more to greater influence.

Since regulation of this type industry is necessary, how do we "keep our boot on the necks" of the regulators so as to not be bribed by sex and drugs when they are eventually offered, which they are and always will be, by the regulated?

well, i actually think the administration's idea of SPLITTING it, is good and should help... those that are responsible for inspecting/regulating them, are not the same people giving them leases....

i was in a position where vendors tried to ''bribe'' me all the time....with dinners/drinks/ gifts at Christmas/flowers for birthdays etc...all to try to get me to buy their product....yet not once, could i be bribed....character has a lot to do with it....there are unbribeable people out there.

HOW does that work when it IS the same Entity...for the SAME purpose?

It doesn't WORK in your synopsis. The AIM is the same.

 

[American Horse]

bp did not do this, the company they hired did....so far, bp has said the ''buck stops here'' but be certain bp will sue the company they hired for some of the cost of the damages....

the mms was bribed or received tit for tat from the oil industry, and became too cozy with them....this WAS THE GOAL of the oil companies that sent ''people out'' to do this....

they offered the bribes, drugs, sex so that they could get mms to ''look the other way''....they are the bribers, mms was the bribed...both criminal, imho.

It always starts very subtly at first in very small ways, (local game tickets for instance) and then procedes more and more to greater influence.

Since regulation of this type industry is necessary, how do we "keep our boot on the necks" of the regulators so as to not be bribed by sex and drugs when they are eventually offered, which they are and always will be, by the regulated?

well, i actually think the administration's idea of SPLITTING it, is good and should help... those that are responsible for inspecting/regulating them, are not the same people giving them leases....

i was in a position where vendors tried to ''bribe'' me all the time....with dinners/drinks/ gifts at Christmas/flowers for birthdays etc...all to try to get me to buy their product....yet not once, could i be bribed....character has a lot to do with it....there are unbribeable people out there.

Do you think that an employee's spending working hours viewing pornography on company computers (or even shopping online, or spending time on forum boards) exhibits a willingness to break rules, and a tendency to break down restrictions, among them those they themselves are expected to enforce?

 

[Big Fitz]

Sure, you dumb shit. All about power.

Moron. Your environazi posts have been proving that's the case for months now.

And now, thanks to the criminal incompetance of another corperation, we have the greatest ecological catastrophe this nation has ever suffered happening as we post.

You don't even understand what a criminal act is do you? You behave as if this is a terrorist act. It is not. It is an ACCIDENT. A horrible, terrible ACCIDENT!!!! Once we finish a thorough investigation can we know if there were criminal acts taking place to cause this disaster, but from every bit I've heard it's sounded like a series of fuckups from BP to the Rig to the Gubmint Regulators (NO! Not them! They can't be at fault ever!)

BP will be held accountable. But your freakish desire to drag their board of directors into the streets and have them shot and then composted for the sake of ecofascism is INSANE. If you want to start doing this, we should start dragging the board of directors of PETA into the street and have them beaten to death like baby seals every time they help enable another 'rescue' of animals. Or ELF if they burn another car dealership.

The fault of our government is that we have not kept the greedy that were in positions to great harm on a tight rein.

You are an utter economic moron, you inbred commie shithead. The purpose of government is NOT TO DECIDE WHO GETS WHAT!!!!!! You want that, move to Venezuela, should be a tropical paradise now. Move to Cuba. THERE is where government decides everything you get and makes everyone share the misery mostly equally. Unless you're government, then you're royalty. You don't deserve the pay you're making. You make way too much. You should live in a small 1 room apartment like the soviets used to build. Unless you have a family of 4 or larger, then you can have 2 bedrooms.

You're such a greedy shit. Sitting on your high horse judging what people should make while you yourself never take one second to realize you don't deserve anything either by your morality. The hypocrisy you need to maintain to function during the day is just staggering to view.

BP will be civilly held responsible for cleanup costs. So will the contracting company. But the Gubmint needs to as well. And shrill screeching... wow... I can't think of an insulting description for you low enough... fucktards will have to do... fucktards wanting revenge for their god, Gaia for an accident aren't helping! I mean seriously. I'd say grow a brain, but you're completely incapable of rational coherent thought that isn't screeching rage on the same level as pissed off camel spider being poked with a broom handle.

Shut the fuck up or be constructive for once in your life.

 

[Big Fitz]

Oh, go out and find yourself a TV holy roller preacher, Rent-a-Boy.

I guess not. This "rent-a-boy agency you keep talking about...

Is that how you and chris hooked up?

Nailed.

He's going to make a good brown shirt incinerator guard. That degree of hatred for his fellow man only comes from true belief in a rat is a cat is a dog is a boy.

I doubt he'd have his sleep disrupted as long as the slaughter was done for the sake of Gaia.

Climate Change Cargo Cultist.

Anyone else notice all the more dangerous the attitude of the chicken littles becomes the more their science is totally debunked and more turn from the lie?

It was never about the environment... it's all about killing people who won't agree.

 

[Care4all]

It always starts very subtly at first in very small ways, (local game tickets for instance) and then procedes more and more to greater influence.

Since regulation of this type industry is necessary, how do we "keep our boot on the necks" of the regulators so as to not be bribed by sex and drugs when they are eventually offered, which they are and always will be, by the regulated?

well, i actually think the administration's idea of SPLITTING it, is good and should help... those that are responsible for inspecting/regulating them, are not the same people giving them leases....

i was in a position where vendors tried to ''bribe'' me all the time....with dinners/drinks/ gifts at Christmas/flowers for birthdays etc...all to try to get me to buy their product....yet not once, could i be bribed....character has a lot to do with it....there are unbribeable people out there.

Do you think that an employee's spending working hours viewing pornography on company computers (or even shopping online, or spending time on forum boards) exhibits a willingness to break rules, and a tendency to break down restrictions, among them those they themselves are expected to enforce?

Yes, I think viewing pornography while at work is showing a willingness to break the rules or maybe a better description would be a sign that they suffer from weakness or lack of control or lack of the ability to do what is right and lack of respect for the people paying them to do a job....

this lack of the ability to do what is right, (not watch porn on your boss's dime) is a sign of weakness and can not be good for any company/business, private or gvt.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Sure, you dumb shit. All about power.

Moron. Your environazi posts have been proving that's the case for months now.

And now, thanks to the criminal incompetance of another corperation, we have the greatest ecological catastrophe this nation has ever suffered happening as we post.

You don't even understand what a criminal act is do you? You behave as if this is a terrorist act. It is not. It is an ACCIDENT. A horrible, terrible ACCIDENT!!!! Once we finish a thorough investigation can we know if there were criminal acts taking place to cause this disaster, but from every bit I've heard it's sounded like a series of fuckups from BP to the Rig to the Gubmint Regulators (NO! Not them! They can't be at fault ever!)

BP will be held accountable. But your freakish desire to drag their board of directors into the streets and have them shot and then composted for the sake of ecofascism is INSANE. If you want to start doing this, we should start dragging the board of directors of PETA into the street and have them beaten to death like baby seals every time they help enable another 'rescue' of animals. Or ELF if they burn another car dealership.

The fault of our government is that we have not kept the greedy that were in positions to great harm on a tight rein.

You are an utter economic moron, you inbred commie shithead. The purpose of government is NOT TO DECIDE WHO GETS WHAT!!!!!! You want that, move to Venezuela, should be a tropical paradise now. Move to Cuba. THERE is where government decides everything you get and makes everyone share the misery mostly equally. Unless you're government, then you're royalty. You don't deserve the pay you're making. You make way too much. You should live in a small 1 room apartment like the soviets used to build. Unless you have a family of 4 or larger, then you can have 2 bedrooms.

You're such a greedy shit. Sitting on your high horse judging what people should make while you yourself never take one second to realize you don't deserve anything either by your morality. The hypocrisy you need to maintain to function during the day is just staggering to view.

BP will be civilly held responsible for cleanup costs. So will the contracting company. But the Gubmint needs to as well. And shrill screeching... wow... I can't think of an insulting description for you low enough... fucktards will have to do... fucktards wanting revenge for their god, Gaia for an accident aren't helping! I mean seriously. I'd say grow a brain, but you're completely incapable of rational coherent thought that isn't screeching rage on the same level as pissed off camel spider being poked with a broom handle.

Shut the fuck up or be constructive for once in your life.

I don't disagree that this was an accident and there is blame all around but . . . if relief wells had been drilled along side/at the same time as the oil wells, wouldn't this accident be fixed by now and be much, much less serious? Why weren't relief wells drilled from the beginning? If gov didn't regulate relief wells - an obviously they didn't - why didn't BP have the common sense to do it? It doesn't matter that the risk was 'one in a million', there is always a risk that a horrible event could occur. Didn't BP ever stop to consider how they would fix a gusher if an accident occurred or did they just assume nothing would ever happen? They gambled that it wouldn't happen, didn't drill relief wells (saving the big bucks, eh?) and now . . . . we are all losing.