Boycotts and browbeating of Israel: What’s changed since the last Gaza war?

[Daniyel]

This have nothing to do with the world Jews, it can only reveal the motives behind.
The first part also relate -rhetorically - to the foreign affairs since they won't stop until we all be dead-so it doesn't matter what we do- well get criticized bad anyway..

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not one to Mince words
Irish Senator David Norris - Statements on the situations in Gaza and Ukraine - YouTube

One terrorist defending his fellow terrorists against legitimate reprisals to terrorism.

WOW, you played three terrorist cards in one sentence.

 

[proudveteran06]

Hamas is getting more criticism than ever

For the FIRST time, even the head of the U.N. condemned them! Ask the Palestinian exactly how Israel should have responded and there will be no response.

 

[polarbear]

The fact Israel being criticize is great, because it means we can find the weak spots and improve, plus being criticized by Iran for example is also great, they expose the real face and you know which one actually criticize from a neutral point and which one is a hateful liar tending to get emotional.
Thank you Tinmore.

Really?
If the IDF keeps bombing Gaza, then how exactly would you "improve" things for Jews that don`t live in Israel?

Let me google that for you

Is there enough room for them under the "iron dome" ?
In France, all they got for protection is riot police which is vastly outnumbered....and in the rest of the world their situation is just as bad, if not worse.
The more bombs the IDF drops on Gaza, the greater the risk for Jews in the diaspora, because they can be kidnapped &(or) killed without having to dig a tunnel to get to them.
The NSA maybe able to thwart such attempts by monitoring the internet & other forms of communication of known terrorist groups, but is powerless to prevent a spontaneous event which can have the same disastrous consequence as what happened in the 2008 Mumbai attack.
Israel is a hard target and it`s only a question of when, not if....terrorists will opt for a much softer target somewhere else.
All it takes is an assault rifle or a suicide bomber vest and somebody who is sufficiently motivated, like being related to a family which has been wiped out in Gaza by the IDF.
Should that happen there will of course be the usual condemnations from political leaders, but the victims of such an attack will be just as dead.

Don't forget that in the States most Jews are heavily armed and don't have to worry about Achmed with a bomb belt or assault rifle. In the other nations with their stupid ass no guns approach (except Switzerland), that's the country's fault if Achmed goes on a Jihad.

See what I mean:
Brooklyn rabbi killed in Miami on way to synagogue | Video | Reuters.com

Brooklyn rabbi killed in Miami on way to synagogue

11:47am EDT - 00:40
Police in Miami are investigating the shooting death of a rabbi who was on his way to a synagogue. Nathan Frandino reports.

A Florida community mourns after one of its own was shot. DR. REYNOLD STEIN, NEIGHBOR, SAYING: "He was totally innocent and was just walking to the synagogue to pray." Police are searching for two young suspects in the killing of Brooklyn rabbi Joseph Raksin. (SOUNDBITE) (English) GIDEON GRATSIANI, NEIGHBOR, SAYING: "The grandchildren heard and saw but did not realize it was their grandfather." Police say there's no indication the shooting was a hate crime. Still, it has shaken the community, especially after a swastika was painted earlier at a nearby synagogue. (SOUNDBITE) (English) GIDEON GRATSIANI, NEIGHBOR, SAYING: "As a result of seeing what's going on both in Europe and many places here in the United States, this is a very scary situation." And a tragedy for this community.


11:47am EDT - 00:40

Did you not say just a few hours ago that in the US Jews are heavily armed and are only in danger in these countries that have dumb-ass gun laws?

The police say "there is no indication of a hate crime", but why would anybody want to shoot a rabbi who is walking to a synagogue?,...which had a swastika painted on it just before he was killed.

I suppose it`s more convenient to call that a "random shooting" and it keeps the eggs out of some faces.
But I doubt, that the gunned down rabbi`s family is buying that!
I would not and say it`s more likely this was indeed a hate crime and will not be the last and only one .
What are Jews who live in other countries which have highly corrupted police forces supposed to do if a Rabbi can get gunned down on a sidewalk in Miami in broad daylight and the police say "there is no indication that this was a hate crime"?
So how hard are they looking for the killers if they can`t even be up front about the most likely motive.
Hate and revenge are the most powerful motives for murder and there is a lot of hate going around since the images of Gaza city have been shown around the world.
Somebody who gets motivated enough by these images to start killing Jews on a sidewalk in the US isn`t exactly worried about what the news media has to say about it, what Israel says about the IDF or how many Jews in New York support what the IDF is doing.
There is no way Jews for example in South Africa feel any safer because Jews in New York demonstrated in support of Israel`s actions, in fact it increases the risks they face.
Hamas does not seem to care how many other Palestinians pay with their lives for what Hamas is doing and it`s beginning to look not much better for Jews who are not as well protected as Jews in Israel or in New York while the IDF bombs Gaza.
Are these Jews expendable to the extent that when any one of them gets assassinated, that they are worth more after they are dead than alive, because they can also be used in the media the same way as Hamas is using the bodies of dead Palestinians?
In any case most of the media is certain to use these (dead) Jews as news fodder, cleverly blended with some video & sound bytes of grieving relatives to boost their ratings.

 

[Hossfly]

Really?
If the IDF keeps bombing Gaza, then how exactly would you "improve" things for Jews that don`t live in Israel?

Let me google that for you

Is there enough room for them under the "iron dome" ?
In France, all they got for protection is riot police which is vastly outnumbered....and in the rest of the world their situation is just as bad, if not worse.
The more bombs the IDF drops on Gaza, the greater the risk for Jews in the diaspora, because they can be kidnapped &(or) killed without having to dig a tunnel to get to them.
The NSA maybe able to thwart such attempts by monitoring the internet & other forms of communication of known terrorist groups, but is powerless to prevent a spontaneous event which can have the same disastrous consequence as what happened in the 2008 Mumbai attack.
Israel is a hard target and it`s only a question of when, not if....terrorists will opt for a much softer target somewhere else.
All it takes is an assault rifle or a suicide bomber vest and somebody who is sufficiently motivated, like being related to a family which has been wiped out in Gaza by the IDF.
Should that happen there will of course be the usual condemnations from political leaders, but the victims of such an attack will be just as dead.

Don't forget that in the States most Jews are heavily armed and don't have to worry about Achmed with a bomb belt or assault rifle. In the other nations with their stupid ass no guns approach (except Switzerland), that's the country's fault if Achmed goes on a Jihad.

See what I mean:
Brooklyn rabbi killed in Miami on way to synagogue | Video | Reuters.com

Brooklyn rabbi killed in Miami on way to synagogue

11:47am EDT - 00:40
Police in Miami are investigating the shooting death of a rabbi who was on his way to a synagogue. Nathan Frandino reports.

A Florida community mourns after one of its own was shot. DR. REYNOLD STEIN, NEIGHBOR, SAYING: "He was totally innocent and was just walking to the synagogue to pray." Police are searching for two young suspects in the killing of Brooklyn rabbi Joseph Raksin. (SOUNDBITE) (English) GIDEON GRATSIANI, NEIGHBOR, SAYING: "The grandchildren heard and saw but did not realize it was their grandfather." Police say there's no indication the shooting was a hate crime. Still, it has shaken the community, especially after a swastika was painted earlier at a nearby synagogue. (SOUNDBITE) (English) GIDEON GRATSIANI, NEIGHBOR, SAYING: "As a result of seeing what's going on both in Europe and many places here in the United States, this is a very scary situation." And a tragedy for this community.


11:47am EDT - 00:40

Did you not say just a few hours ago that in the US Jews are heavily armed and are only in danger in these countries that have dumb-ass gun laws?

The police say "there is no indication of a hate crime", but why would anybody want to shoot a rabbi who is walking to a synagogue?,...which had a swastika painted on it just before he was killed.

I suppose it`s more convenient to call that a "random shooting" and it keeps the eggs out of some faces.
But I doubt, that the murdered rabbi`s family is buying that!
I would not and say it`s more likely this was a hate crime and will not be only one.
What are Jews who live in other countries which have highly corrupted police forces supposed to do if a Rabbi can get gunned down on a sidewalk in Miami in broad daylight and the police say "there is no indication that this was a hate crime"?
So how hard are they looking for the killers if they can`t even be up front about the most likely motive.
Hate and revenge is the most powerful motive and there is a lot of that going around since the images of Gaza city have been shown around the world.
Somebody who gets motivated enough by these images to start killing Jews on a sidewalk in the US isn`t exactly worried about what the news media has to say about it, what Israel says about the IDF or how many Jews in New York support what the IDF is doing.
There is no way Jews for example in South Africa feel any safer because Jews in New York demonstrated in support of Israel`s actions, in fact it increases the risks they face.
Hamas does not seem to care how many other Palestinians pay with their lives for what Hamas is doing and it`s beginning to look not much better for Jews who are not as well protected as Jews in Israel or in New York.

Then they should be packin' heat.

 

[Daniyel]

Not one to Mince words
Irish Senator David Norris - Statements on the situations in Gaza and Ukraine - YouTube

One terrorist defending his fellow terrorists against legitimate reprisals to terrorism.

WOW, you played three terrorist cards in one sentence.

I don't think you realize what 'terrorist ' means.at all.
Imagine over night a man with a knife infiltrate your home and stab the entire family including the baby in your picture- you don't see it that way so to you 'terrorist ' bring up association like Vandetta or some cool movie when you. can even consider the terrorist as the good guy.
Stop advocating terrorists - and don't turn it against Israel - whether we are terrorists or not we fight against terrorists and you just favor one side but you forget that if we won't be here they would've other targets, like you.

 

[polarbear]

One terrorist defending his fellow terrorists against legitimate reprisals to terrorism.

WOW, you played three terrorist cards in one sentence.

I don't think you realize what 'terrorist ' means.at all.
Imagine over night a man with a knife infiltrate your home and stab the entire family including the baby in your picture- you don't see it that way so to you 'terrorist ' bring up association like Vandetta or some cool movie when you. can even consider the terrorist as the good guy.
Stop advocating terrorists - and don't turn it against Israel - whether we are terrorists or not we fight against terrorists and you just favor one side but you forget that if we won't be here they would've other targets, like you.

Maybe I should have addressed you with my posts instead of this "Hossfly" who replied the rabbi who just got gunned down in Miami should have been "packing the heat"....nothing short of implying it was the rabbi`s fault that he got gunned down in broad daylight.
I`m also interested in your opinion why these kids who were killed by terrorists while hitchhiking through a territory where almost everybody has a motive to carry on a vendetta against Jews.
With the tight border security that you have there in order to keep terrorists out of Israel it should not remain unanswered why nobody warned these kids what might face them where they were heading.
I don`t spend a lot of my time in this forum and might have missed it where somebody "advocates terrorism against Israel" amongst a whole lot of other nonsense.
However I did see quite a few posts which assert more or less that what the IDF is doing is not short of terrorism either, except for the methods used in your example and how an entire family in Gaza has been killed.
I do know about terrorists, their m.o. and what makes them tick and there is no question that they often do use "human shields".
I also know enough about bombs and explosives and would like an explanation why the IDF is using 2000 lbs bombs, sometimes in pairs in a highly populated city like Gaza city.
It`s easy to tell that they do by the crater size and some other tell-tale signs.
It does not take a 2000 lbs bomb to take out a Hamas "rocket launching site next to a school" or near a hospital, unless you want to inflict as much "collateral damage" as possible.
With massive bombs like that it`s not necessary for Hamas to use "human shields" to be able to show the world gruesome images of dead children.
The V2`s which impacted in London had a 1500 lbs warhead and it was called a terror weapon because a single V2 could level an entire city block..
Most of the rockets that Hamas is launching in the general direction of Israel only have a 20 lbs payload and many of them are launched without any payload in order to increase the range, but are called "weapons of terror"...even though almost all that might impact in a populated area are intercepted.
The only thing that qualifies these rockets as "terrorist weapons" is that they have been launched by terrorists.
As far as terror effect and civilian casualties is concerned that dubious honor goes to the IDF`s 2000 lbs bombs.
They are not exactly stupid at the W.H. admin not to know the difference between the effect of a 2000 lbs bomb and a 500 lbs bomb and that`s why Kerry made that sarcastic remark about this being "a hell of a pin-point operation"

 

[aris2chat]

Boycotts, some are taking thing a bit far and stabbing themselves in the process. Talk about apartheid.


>>COMMENTS by Bradford MP George Galloway that the city should be an "Israel free zone" have damaged Bradford's reputation, according to politicians from all the main parties.

A video of the Bradford West MP making the comments at a Respect Party event in Leeds last Saturday has attracted condemnation from different quarters and is being probed by West Yorkshire Police.

The video features the MP saying: "We have declared Bradford an Israel-free zone.

"We don't want any Israeli goods, we don't want any Israeli services, we don't want any Israeli academics coming to the university or the college, we don't even want any Israeli tourists to come to Bradford, even if any of them had thought of doing so.

"We reject this illegal, barbarous, savage state that calls itself Israel."

Councillor David Green, leader of Labour-run Bradford Council, said: "Mr Galloway does not speak on behalf of the district of Bradford.

"We have always welcomed people from all over the globe regardless of race, religion or colour, and will continue to do so.

"There is a lot of local concern about what is going on in Gaza and I'm aware of the boycott campaigns, but they have to be done appropriately.

"These comments will potentially be damaging to Bradford. They add nothing to the discussion and debate to find a resolution of this conflict and I ask him to re-consider them."

The Conservative group's deputy leader, Councillor Simon Cooke took to Twitter to urge people to ignore the MP and said all people were welcome in Bradford.

He added: "What is most disappointing about this is that whatever your view is on Gaza, it doesn't justify saying a group of people aren't welcome in Bradford. It gives us a bad name and what he said is damaging Bradford. This is not the message we want out about the district."

Bradford East Liberal Democrats MP David Ward spent much of yesterday speaking to constituents and said Mr Galloway's views were not shared by the majority of people he spoke to.

He has been collecting signatures for a petition calling for an end to Israeli military action in Gaza that has attracted almost 77,000 signatures.

Mr Ward said: "We don't want to be branded as a community that is racist. Theses comments are very dangerous in terms of community cohesion.

"It is a schoolboy error to brand an entire group of people in this way. The people who live in Bradford day in day out don't want this said in their name."

Mike Hookem, MEP for Yorkshire and UKIP Defence spokesman, said: "It is unacceptable and ridiculous for a British politician to call for a multicultural city such as Bradford; that is steeped in both the Islamic and Jewish cultures, to become an ‘Israel free zone’. Galloway’s words do nothing other than heighten tensions in Bradford and the country as a whole.

"Rather than stirring up racial hatred, Galloway should be looking to use any influence he has to calm the tensions and look for ways to build bridges in the communities he serves, rather than giving fuel to further divisions.”

A spokesman for Mr Galloway said: "Anyone is welcome in Bradford who doesn't support the mass bombing and genocide of the Palestinian people.

"That rules out 95 per cent or more of the Israeli population according to recent surveys." <<
Galloway accused of damaging Bradford with Israel-free' zone call (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

 

[P F Tinmore]

One terrorist defending his fellow terrorists against legitimate reprisals to terrorism.

WOW, you played three terrorist cards in one sentence.

I don't think you realize what 'terrorist ' means.at all.
Imagine over night a man with a knife infiltrate your home and stab the entire family including the baby in your picture- you don't see it that way so to you 'terrorist ' bring up association like Vandetta or some cool movie when you. can even consider the terrorist as the good guy.
Stop advocating terrorists - and don't turn it against Israel - whether we are terrorists or not we fight against terrorists and you just favor one side but you forget that if we won't be here they would've other targets, like you.

While Israel kills Palestinian civilians by the thousands it constantly plays the terrorist card on the Palestinians.

Terrorist is an Israeli propaganda campaign.

 

[Daniyel]

WOW, you played three terrorist cards in one sentence.

I don't think you realize what 'terrorist ' means.at all.
Imagine over night a man with a knife infiltrate your home and stab the entire family including the baby in your picture- you don't see it that way so to you 'terrorist ' bring up association like Vandetta or some cool movie when you. can even consider the terrorist as the good guy.
Stop advocating terrorists - and don't turn it against Israel - whether we are terrorists or not we fight against terrorists and you just favor one side but you forget that if we won't be here they would've other targets, like you.

While Israel kills Palestinian civilians by the thousands it constantly plays the terrorist card on the Palestinians.

Terrorist is an Israeli propaganda campaign.

Like the ISIS and el Qaeda and all the other bunch of insects?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I don't think you realize what 'terrorist ' means.at all.
Imagine over night a man with a knife infiltrate your home and stab the entire family including the baby in your picture- you don't see it that way so to you 'terrorist ' bring up association like Vandetta or some cool movie when you. can even consider the terrorist as the good guy.
Stop advocating terrorists - and don't turn it against Israel - whether we are terrorists or not we fight against terrorists and you just favor one side but you forget that if we won't be here they would've other targets, like you.

While Israel kills Palestinian civilians by the thousands it constantly plays the terrorist card on the Palestinians.

Terrorist is an Israeli propaganda campaign.

Like the ISIS and el Qaeda and all the other bunch of insects?

Israeli crapola.

 

[Daniyel]

While Israel kills Palestinian civilians by the thousands it constantly plays the terrorist card on the Palestinians.

Terrorist is an Israeli propaganda campaign.

Like the ISIS and el Qaeda and all the other bunch of insects?

Israeli crapola.

So what are you trying to say? It doesn't exist or its Israel created them?

 

[polarbear]

Like the ISIS and el Qaeda and all the other bunch of insects?

I was mistaken when I thought that you might be able to explain why the IDF is using 2000 lbs bombs to take out a "Hamas rocket launching site" near a school or a hospital.
Having seen some of your other "peace initiatives" like this one I should have known.
The problem with this "bunch of insects" is that they outnumber you and keep coming no matter how many 2000 lbs bombs you drop on the "insects" that have not much to shoot back with.
You maybe able to keep doing that in Gaza but that`s about it because the other "bunch of insects" is getting some pretty sophisticated Russian ground to air and guided anti-tank missiles.
Just as good as some of the stuff that the US left behind in Iraq, but also a lot more than what they have captured so far.
In Pakistan there are also a whole bunch of these "insects" and if they should be able to grab what Pakistan has and Iran wants to have then you got some real serious problems.
They won`t have to go so far to strike Israel with it. Seeing how you freak out over little rockets with a 20 lbs warhead it`s enough just to let you know that they have some with a 40-kilo ton yield.
Unless you are dead sure that the US can prevent what`s happening in Iraq in Pakistan as well you better start contemplating if these "insects" would be interested in any negotiations no matter what you offer in return once they have some major firepower.
In addition to that it must have dawned on you by now that the only way to stop the centrifuges spinning in Iran you have to take them out yourself, seeing what the future political trend is in the U.S.
There is no way a President Hillary Clinton will start a war with Iran to do that for you.
And the other NATO members are already disgusted with the spill-over into their own countries because of the way Israel "negotiates".
We already have to put up with having our phones and internet bugged and having to worry about internal threats from population segments that react increasingly hostile towards anyone who they see as collaborating with Israel.

 

[toastman]

While Israel kills Palestinian civilians by the thousands it constantly plays the terrorist card on the Palestinians.

Terrorist is an Israeli propaganda campaign.

Like the ISIS and el Qaeda and all the other bunch of insects?

Israeli crapola.

This is what Tinmore says when he is exposed with the truth.

 

[SAYIT]

Israel is getting more criticism than ever before.



In contrast to the quieter international reaction after the last Gaza war in 2008-2009, more countries are suspending diplomatic ties, enacting arms embargoes, and openly criticizing Israel.

Boycotts and browbeating of Israel: What?s changed since the last Gaza war?

In fact, the blowback from this Israeli action has been muted compared to past incursions.
The difference?
Proof that Hamas uses UN "schools" as armories - perhaps with UN approval - and actual footage from that Indian TV crew of Hamas firing rockets from a hotel sidewalk. You will note that crew left Gaza BEFORE releasing the story. Knowing the Palestinian's "peaceful" nature one can imagine their fate had they not done so.

 

[I.P.Freely]

Israel is getting more criticism than ever before.



In contrast to the quieter international reaction after the last Gaza war in 2008-2009, more countries are suspending diplomatic ties, enacting arms embargoes, and openly criticizing Israel.

Boycotts and browbeating of Israel: What?s changed since the last Gaza war?

In fact, the blowback from this Israeli action has been muted compared to past incursions.
The difference?
Proof that Hamas uses UN "schools" as armories - perhaps with UN approval - and actual footage from that Indian TV crew of Hamas firing rockets from a hotel sidewalk. You will note that crew left Gaza BEFORE releasing the story. Knowing the Palestinian's "peaceful" nature one can imagine their fate had they not done so.

When did Britain lose faith in Israel? - Telegraph

 

[pbel]

Israel is getting more criticism than ever before.



In contrast to the quieter international reaction after the last Gaza war in 2008-2009, more countries are suspending diplomatic ties, enacting arms embargoes, and openly criticizing Israel.

Boycotts and browbeating of Israel: What?s changed since the last Gaza war?

What's changed Paul is the dissemination of News by the Internet, people are seeing the slaughter by Cowards bombing from the sky on innocent civilians in their very hands on smartphones...

The Internet has changed the complete control of the world-wide Mass Media outlets and the truth is shown...

 

[Art__Allm]

Israel is getting more criticism than ever before.



In contrast to the quieter international reaction after the last Gaza war in 2008-2009, more countries are suspending diplomatic ties, enacting arms embargoes, and openly criticizing Israel.

Boycotts and browbeating of Israel: What?s changed since the last Gaza war?

What's changed Paul is the dissemination of News by the Internet, people are seeing the slaughter by Cowards bombing from the sky on innocent civilians in their very hands on smartphones...

The Internet has changed the complete control of the world-wide Mass Media outlets and the truth is shown...

Good point, but some governments in the allegedly "free world" are not allowed to criticize Zionism.
And your signature gives the answer why some politicians are not allowed to tell the truth about Zionism and Israel.

 

[Daniyel]

Israel is getting more criticism than ever before.



In contrast to the quieter international reaction after the last Gaza war in 2008-2009, more countries are suspending diplomatic ties, enacting arms embargoes, and openly criticizing Israel.

Boycotts and browbeating of Israel: What?s changed since the last Gaza war?

What's changed Paul is the dissemination of News by the Internet, people are seeing the slaughter by Cowards bombing from the sky on innocent civilians in their very hands on smartphones...

The Internet has changed the complete control of the world-wide Mass Media outlets and the truth is shown...

Good point, but some governments in the allegedly "free world" are not allowed to criticize Zionism.
And your signature gives the answer why some politicians are not allowed to tell the truth about Zionism and Israel.

Some governments are not allowed to criticize Zionism? what the hell are you talking about? everyone can criticize Israel, and last time I check many 'governments' does.
Israel is established on Zionism - the biggest Zionism idea.. but perhaps you'd like to name specific governments?

 

[Penelope]

What's changed Paul is the dissemination of News by the Internet, people are seeing the slaughter by Cowards bombing from the sky on innocent civilians in their very hands on smartphones...

The Internet has changed the complete control of the world-wide Mass Media outlets and the truth is shown...

Good point, but some governments in the allegedly "free world" are not allowed to criticize Zionism.
And your signature gives the answer why some politicians are not allowed to tell the truth about Zionism and Israel.

Some governments are not allowed to criticize Zionism? what the hell are you talking about? everyone can criticize Israel, and last time I check many 'governments' does.
Israel is established on Zionism - the biggest Zionism idea.. but perhaps you'd like to name specific governments?

The US for one, Kerry said something they didn't like he is got called anti jew, and also its well know if a congressman says anything neg about Israel they are just from then on taking up space in congress, and anyone who wants to be President of the USA must suck up to Israel and visit the "wailing wall" .