Boycott Israel

[Sixties Fan]

 

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[Sixties Fan]

Google to Officially Announce Subsea Cable to Connect Europe and Asia Via Israel - Algemeiner.com

CTech - Tech giant Google is expected to officially announce today the launch of its subsea cable project that will connect Asia and Europe through Israel, Calcalist has learned. The project was first revealed in the Wall Street Journal last November, but to date hadn't been officially confirmed...

www.algemeiner.com

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
SUBTOPIC: Primary Arguments and Claims
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Don't be foolish.


(COMMENT)

YES>>>. Israel is NOT occupying Gaza. As far as the West Bank is concerned, Israel DID NOT occupy Palestinian territory, it occupied Jordanian territory.

Arab Palestinians make these false claims all the time. But they never actually give any details to the alleged crime.


(COMMENT)

I'm not a lawyer. This is a criticism of a lawyer who, in my opinion, does a disservice to her profession. And anyone who repeats this nonsense that it is just "name-calling" is advocating for the Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters operating around the world. They conduct "criminal acts" directed against Israel, intended or calculated to create "terror" in the minds of the citizenry and general public.

There are laws in most industrialized nations that cover these notions. But then there are legal frameworks that bag them altogether. Since 1963, the international community has elaborated 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts. Other external Examples are:



Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of Terrorism (1938)
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Article 1 • European Council • Council Framework Decision of 13 June 2002 on combating terrorism
Official Journal L 164 , 22/06/2002 P. 0003 - 0007

Terrorist offences and fundamental rights and principles

1. Each Member State shall take the necessary measures to ensure that the intentional acts referred to below in points (a) to (i), as defined as offences under national law, which, given their nature or context, may seriously damage a country or an international organisation where committed with the aim of:

- seriously intimidating a population, or​

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- unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or​

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- seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation, shall be deemed to be terrorist offences:​

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;​

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(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;​

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(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;​

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(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;​

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(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;​

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(f) manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;​

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(g) release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;​

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(h) interfering with or disrupting the supply of water, power or any other fundamental natural resource the effect of which is to endanger human life;​

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(i) threatening to commit any of the acts listed in (a) to (h).​

The advocates that defend terrorism use this claim that there is "NO LAW" --- just as a Red Herring (logical fallacy).

Red herring -- An attempt to divert attention from the crux of an argument by the introduction of anecdote, irrelevant detail, subsidiary facts, tangential references, and the like.​

I cannot name a bonafide nation that does not have laws against murder/attempted murder, arson, bombings, etc. "Terrorism" is a name that defines a basket in which crimes are committed as a tool for coercion. To make an argument "There is no law. That is just name calling" is a childish notion in and by itself. Such a claim does not even pass the smell test.


(COMMENT)

Again, this is another "Red Herring" to intentionally mislead the reader. To accuse Israel of acts or operations conducted against any entity that violates Customary and International Humanitarian Law through acts directed at Israel and its citizenry is not intellectually sound or valid. The actions of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and any number of other Palestinian terrorist groups, are quasi-Government sponsored. I say quasi-Government because both the Gaza Government and the Ramallah Government have payroll connections to terrorists (they even have benefit packages for them). None of this would be possible without the impact of donor contributions. THEN, there are the shadowy connections the Gaza Strip and West Bank Arab Palestinians have with external associates like Hezbollah and the Quds Force.

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I actually feel sorry for anyone who spent their time on this lecture. It simply is not worth it.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel was founded, and continues to expand, on terrorism.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
SUBTOPIC: Internet
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

BLUF: Now this is interesting. I tend to think that the Israeli Internet Infrastructure is much further ahead of the US.

Google to Officially Announce Subsea Cable to Connect Europe and Asia Via Israel - Algemeiner.com

CTech - Tech giant Google is expected to officially announce today the launch of its subsea cable project that will connect Asia and Europe through Israel, Calcalist has learned. The project was first revealed in the Wall Street Journal last November, but to date hadn't been officially confirmed...

www.algemeiner.com

(COMMENT)

I was just reading an Article in THE VERGE (Optimum is dramatically reducing cable internet speeds to be better ‘aligned with the industry’) where the US is moving backward instead of forwards. Through a sleight of hand, they are making it sound like an improvement → where there is none. Optimum is reducing speeds "from 35Mbps to 5Mbps in some cases."

As FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel wrote for The Verge last March, as many as one in three US households doesn’t have broadband internet access, currently defined as just 25Mbps down and 3Mbps up — which feels like the bare minimum for a remote learning family these days.​

So it is interesting that Israel (neck and neck with the UAE) shows the most digital development and the pace of digital growth of any country in the Middle East North African, by a very significant margin. While Israel was the most advanced, the UAE showed a marginally better rate of momentum in digital evolution. In any event, Israel is 8 to 10 percentage points ahead of Qatar and 10(+) percentage points ahead of Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. As far as Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt go, Israel is in the range 15 to 25 percentage points ahead. With the new cable project, as it comes on line, the evolutionary state could rocket even further ahead.

Just a Thought,

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

Looking well so far...

 

[Sixties Fan]

Azerbaijan opens trade office in Tel Aviv 30 years after forming ties

The move is a preliminary step to the opening of the Azeri Embassy in Israel.

www.jpost.com

 

[P F Tinmore]

How Ben & Jerry's has exposed Israel's anti-BDS strategy

Ben & Jerry's decision to suspend its operations in the occupied Palestinian West Bank is an event that is proving critical to Palestinian efforts, which ultimately aim at holding Israel accountable for its military occupation, apartheid and war crimes.

english.palinfo.com

 

[Hollie]

How Ben & Jerry's has exposed Israel's anti-BDS strategy

Ben & Jerry's decision to suspend its operations in the occupied Palestinian West Bank is an event that is proving critical to Palestinian efforts, which ultimately aim at holding Israel accountable for its military occupation, apartheid and war crimes.

english.palinfo.com

Pretty desperate to cut and paste the above across multiple threads.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
SUBTOPIC: BDS and Israeli Strategy
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

How Ben & Jerry's has exposed Israel's anti-BDS strategy

Ben & Jerry's decision to suspend its operations in the occupied Palestinian West Bank is an event that is proving critical to Palestinian efforts, which ultimately aim at holding Israel accountable for its military occupation, apartheid and war crimes.

english.palinfo.com

(COMMENT)

Who does the termination of sales in the West Bank hurt? (RHETORICAL)

It would seem to me that the Vermont-based ice cream maker's decision (by Unilever) is to absorb the reduction in revenue the decision to stop selling ice cream in Judea-Sumaria-Jerusalem in the occupied West Bank will incur.

So there must have been some sort of decision-making process that I don't get.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
SUBTOPIC: BDS and Israeli Strategy
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,


(COMMENT)

Who does the termination of sales in the West Bank hurt? (RHETORICAL)

It would seem to me that the Vermont-based ice cream maker's decision (by Unilever) is to absorb the reduction in revenue the decision to stop selling ice cream in Judea-Sumaria-Jerusalem in the occupied West Bank will incur.

So there must have been some sort of decision-making process that I don't get.

Most Respectfully,
R

It was a moral decision not to sell their stuff in illegal settlements.

 

[Hollie]

It was a moral decision not to sell their stuff in illegal settlements.

It was a moral decision not to sell their stuff in illegal settlements.

Can you define "illegal settlements"?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
SUBTOPIC: BDS and Israeli Strategy
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I thought there was a basic understanding that the PLO agreed to this.

It was a moral decision not to sell their stuff in illegal settlements.

(COMMENT)

In Illegal Settlments?

GENERAL RULE AGREED UPON CONCERNING AREA "C" → In Area C, powers and responsibilities relating to this sphere will be transferred gradually to Palestinian jurisdiction that will cover West Bank and Gaza Strip territory, except for the issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations.

THE ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN INTERIM AGREEMENT ON THE WEST BANK AND THE GAZA STRIPANNEX III Protocol Concerning Civil Affairs ​

ARTICLE IV - Special Provisions concerning Area C
APPENDIX 1 Powers and Responsibilities for Civil Affairs

ARTICLE 27 Planning and Zoning ​

1. Powers and responsibilities in the sphere of Planning and Zoning in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip shall be transferred from the military government and its Civil Administration to the Palestinian side. This includes initiating, preparing, amending and abrogating Planning Schemes, and other legislation pertaining to issues regulated by Planning Schemes (hereinafter: "Planning Schemes") issuing building permits and supervising and monitoring building activities.
2. In Area C, powers and responsibilities related to the sphere of Planning and Zoning will be transferred gradually to Palestinian jurisdiction that will cover West Bank and Gaza Strip territory except for the issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations, during the further redeployment phases, to be completed within 18 months from the date of the inauguration of the Council.
   1. The Palestinian side shall ensure that no construction close to the Settlements and military locations will harm, damage or adversely affect them or the infrastructure serving them.
   2. Accordingly, when the Palestinian side considers that a proposed Planning Scheme pertains to construction which may fall within subparagraph a. above (in particular: waste disposal sites; electric power stations and projects regarding sewage, hazardous materials or which may have a polluting impact), it shall provide the CAC with a copy of such a Planning Scheme prior to its entry into force.
      A sub-committee established by the CAC shall, upon request by the Israeli side, discuss such Planning Scheme. Pending the decision of the committee, planning procedures shall not be concluded and no building activity shall be carried out pursuant to the said Planning Scheme.

Basic TO Declaration of Principles.

CHAPTER 3 - LEGAL AFFAIRS
ARTICLE XVII ​

Jurisdiction

1. In accordance with the DOP, the jurisdiction of the Council will cover West Bank and Gaza Strip territory as a single territorial unit, except for:
   1. issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations: Jerusalem, settlements, specified military locations, Palestinian refugees, borders, foreign relations and Israelis; and
   2. powers and responsibilities not transferred to the Council.

(QUESTION)

So when did the Arab Palestinians (ie the PLO) bring this up in negotiations?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
SUBTOPIC: BDS and Israeli Strategy
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I thought there was a basic understanding that the PLO agreed to this.


(COMMENT)

In Illegal Settlments?

GENERAL RULE AGREED UPON CONCERNING AREA "C" → In Area C, powers and responsibilities relating to this sphere will be transferred gradually to Palestinian jurisdiction that will cover West Bank and Gaza Strip territory, except for the issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations.

THE ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN INTERIM AGREEMENT ON THE WEST BANK AND THE GAZA STRIPANNEX III Protocol Concerning Civil Affairs ​

ARTICLE IV - Special Provisions concerning Area C
APPENDIX 1 Powers and Responsibilities for Civil Affairs

ARTICLE 27 Planning and Zoning ​

1. Powers and responsibilities in the sphere of Planning and Zoning in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip shall be transferred from the military government and its Civil Administration to the Palestinian side. This includes initiating, preparing, amending and abrogating Planning Schemes, and other legislation pertaining to issues regulated by Planning Schemes (hereinafter: "Planning Schemes") issuing building permits and supervising and monitoring building activities.
2. In Area C, powers and responsibilities related to the sphere of Planning and Zoning will be transferred gradually to Palestinian jurisdiction that will cover West Bank and Gaza Strip territory except for the issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations, during the further redeployment phases, to be completed within 18 months from the date of the inauguration of the Council.
   1. The Palestinian side shall ensure that no construction close to the Settlements and military locations will harm, damage or adversely affect them or the infrastructure serving them.
   2. Accordingly, when the Palestinian side considers that a proposed Planning Scheme pertains to construction which may fall within subparagraph a. above (in particular: waste disposal sites; electric power stations and projects regarding sewage, hazardous materials or which may have a polluting impact), it shall provide the CAC with a copy of such a Planning Scheme prior to its entry into force.
      A sub-committee established by the CAC shall, upon request by the Israeli side, discuss such Planning Scheme. Pending the decision of the committee, planning procedures shall not be concluded and no building activity shall be carried out pursuant to the said Planning Scheme.

Basic TO Declaration of Principles.

CHAPTER 3 - LEGAL AFFAIRS
ARTICLE XVII ​

Jurisdiction

1. In accordance with the DOP, the jurisdiction of the Council will cover West Bank and Gaza Strip territory as a single territorial unit, except for:
   1. issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations: Jerusalem, settlements, specified military locations, Palestinian refugees, borders, foreign relations and Israelis; and
   2. powers and responsibilities not transferred to the Council.

(QUESTION)

So when did the Arab Palestinians (ie the PLO) bring this up in negotiations?

Most Respectfully,
R

Agreements between an occupied people and an occupying power do not release the occupying power of its legal obligations.

 

[Hollie]

Agreements between an occupied people and an occupying power do not release the occupying power of its legal obligations.

You can't defend your "illegal settlements" claim so perhaps you could try to defend the "occupied people" slogan. What people are "occupied"?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Not surprisingly, J-Street defended Human Rights Watch's calling Israel guilty of apartheid.

We are deeply dismayed by the vitriolic response of some Jewish communal and pro-Israel organizations to the new report by Human Rights Watch titled “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution.” While J Street does not use the term “apartheid” to describe the current situation in the occupied territories, we believe this new report raises critical concerns that should deeply trouble both supporters of Israel and those who care about Palestinian rights.

J-Street tries to walk the line by saying that it doesn't use that specific term, it did not defend Israel against the charge - it instead defended Human Rights Watch against its critics.

And note what J-Street didn't say. It didn't say "J-Street doesn't agree with applying the term 'apartheid," it said it doesn't use the term itself. J-Street does not disagree!

Which means that J-Street effectively agrees with Human Rights Watch. It just knows it will lose support from credulous Zionist funders who still think it is a liberal Zionist organization that is merely against settlements, instead of an organization that is dedicated to slandering Israel nearly as much as Jewish Voice for Peace does, so it doesn't want to explicitly agree for fear of losing its "pro-Israel" facade.

It's refusal to defend Israel against the charge is itself all you need to know about J-Street. It is not pro-Israel in any sense of the word.

(full article online)

J-Street refuses to defend Israel from slanderous and false "apartheid" accusation. It is not pro-Israel by any definition.

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
SUBTOPIC: Agreements
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The law was written to protect the occupied people from acts of coercion.

Agreements between an occupied people and an occupying power do not release the occupying power of its legal obligations.

(COMMENT)

What specific obligation are you referring to ralative to the Oslo Accords. The OSLO Accords were observed by several neutral parties, and witnessed by the Russians. The transparency was such that the Nobel Prize was awarded.

You may not agree with the terms and conditions, but they were NOT negotiated under duress.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
SUBTOPIC: Agreements
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The law was written to protect the occupied people from acts of coercion.


(COMMENT)

What specific obligation are you referring to ralative to the Oslo Accords. The OSLO Accords were observed by several neutral parties, and witnessed by the Russians. The transparency was such that the Nobel Prize was awarded.

You may not agree with the terms and conditions, but they were NOT negotiated under duress.

Most Respectfully,
R

Settlements are illegal. No agreement can make them legal.

 

[Hollie]

Settlements are illegal. No agreement can make them legal.

I suspect you intended to write that settlements are legal for Pallys who occupy land and build without permits.