Boy, 3, shoots self, parents charged.

Seems to me the real "crime" of the parents was not properly teaching their child what to touch and what not to touch. I guarantee that child will no longer touch a firearm without proper adult supervision. He learned the lesson the hard way, but that's what some children need.

I've got a smaller selection of firearms around my condo, and less loose ammo, but when one considers the other self-defense tools (knives, swords, axes, etc....) that are strategically placed around my home, I'd say that I'm well beyond 20.

Why, of course! It is the three year old's fault!
Hey...uh... I missed your answer:
How would background checks, need-justidied licensieng, registration, a 3-day waiting period, a ban on hi-cap magazines and/or 'assault wepaons' prrevent this from happening?

I can't be responsible for your failure to read my post. I will type it very slow this time. If this man is convicted of Child Endangerment, he should be forbidden by law to have any guns in his house until his children reach majority. That is a my opinion of an appropriate gun control advocacy law. But, now that you mention it, I would also be in favor of a law requiring a person to demonstrate proficiency and safety to legal authorities, before he is allowed to own a gun. This would be similar to passing a driver's license test before dad tosses you the keys to the F350.
 
Why, of course! It is the three year old's fault!
Hey...uh... I missed your answer:
How would background checks, need-justidied licensieng, registration, a 3-day waiting period, a ban on hi-cap magazines and/or 'assault wepaons' prrevent this from happening?
I can't be responsible for your failure to read my post.
Or your own, apparently.

You said
This man, who is the chief of the volunteer fire Department, no less, should be the poster child of the Arizona branch of the NRA. He is exactly the kind of man that gun control advocates are trying to stop.
I asked:
How would background checks, need-justidied licensieng, registration, a 3-day waiting period, a ban on hi-cap magazines and/or 'assault wepaons' prrevent this from happening?
Well?

But, now that you mention it, I would also be in favor of a law requiring a person to demonstrate proficiency and safety to legal authorities, before he is allowed to own a gun. This would be similar to passing a driver's license test before dad tosses you the keys to the F350.
You do not need a license to buy, own, possess or store an F350
You do not need a license to operate an F350 on private property.
You do not need a license to transport an F350 on public property
You don't need a license to do these things w/ anF350s; why, under your premise, would you need a license to do any of them with a gun?
 
Instructing the child :lol::lol: it's obvious you have no kids!

Not yet. However, I was one, some years back and my brother now has five kids ranging in age from 2 months to almost 6 years old. I would suggest that it's obvious you don't know how to set expectations for your children and/or are unwilling to undertake the methods necessary to ensure they are met.


How much, "Time Out" would be appropriate for the 3 year old to stand in the corner for manslaughter?

I don't believe in "time outs" and never have. A good stiff hand or belt is SO MUCH more efficient in achieving results nowadays, even as it was when I was a child.
 
Why, of course! It is the three year old's fault!
Hey...uh... I missed your answer:
How would background checks, need-justidied licensieng, registration, a 3-day waiting period, a ban on hi-cap magazines and/or 'assault wepaons' prrevent this from happening?

I can't be responsible for your failure to read my post. I will type it very slow this time. If this man is convicted of Child Endangerment, he should be forbidden by law to have any guns in his house until his children reach majority. That is a my opinion of an appropriate gun control advocacy law. But, now that you mention it, I would also be in favor of a law requiring a person to demonstrate proficiency and safety to legal authorities, before he is allowed to own a gun. This would be similar to passing a driver's license test before dad tosses you the keys to the F350.

Bad ideas

-Geaux
 
Hey...uh... I missed your answer:
How would background checks, need-justidied licensieng, registration, a 3-day waiting period, a ban on hi-cap magazines and/or 'assault wepaons' prrevent this from happening?
I can't be responsible for your failure to read my post.
Or your own, apparently.

You said

I asked:
How would background checks, need-justidied licensieng, registration, a 3-day waiting period, a ban on hi-cap magazines and/or 'assault wepaons' prrevent this from happening?
Well?

But, now that you mention it, I would also be in favor of a law requiring a person to demonstrate proficiency and safety to legal authorities, before he is allowed to own a gun. This would be similar to passing a driver's license test before dad tosses you the keys to the F350.
You do not need a license to buy, own, possess or store an F350
You do not need a license to operate an F350 on private property.
You do not need a license to transport an F350 on public property
You don't need a license to do these things w/ anF350s; why, under your premise, would you need a license to do any of them with a gun?

Shooter, just what is your malfunction? I never even mentioned back-ground checks, need justified licensing, etc., etc. So, what you are doing is reading your own words into my post, and demanding that I defend them? Ain't going to happen, bro....
 
Instructing the child :lol::lol: it's obvious you have no kids!

Not yet. However, I was one, some years back and my brother now has five kids ranging in age from 2 months to almost 6 years old. I would suggest that it's obvious you don't know how to set expectations for your children and/or are unwilling to undertake the methods necessary to ensure they are met.


How much, "Time Out" would be appropriate for the 3 year old to stand in the corner for manslaughter?

I don't believe in "time outs" and never have. A good stiff hand or belt is SO MUCH more efficient in achieving results nowadays, even as it was when I was a child.

Great idea! If you are not skilled enough to control your children as an adult should be able to, resort to control by pain. You are being true to form!
 
"why, under your premise, would you need a license to do any of them with a gun?[/QUOTE]"

Because maybe we could weed out people who are not even smart or educated enough to lock up their guns in a house where 4 children live, resulting in the deaths to innocent people.

Sorry that it was necessary to spell that out for you, but frankly, if I have to do that, I am beginning to suspect that you are one of those people who do not see the necessity of keeping your own guns locked away from children.
 
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Instructing the child :lol::lol: it's obvious you have no kids!

Not yet. However, I was one, some years back and my brother now has five kids ranging in age from 2 months to almost 6 years old. I would suggest that it's obvious you don't know how to set expectations for your children and/or are unwilling to undertake the methods necessary to ensure they are met.


How much, "Time Out" would be appropriate for the 3 year old to stand in the corner for manslaughter?

I don't believe in "time outs" and never have. A good stiff hand or belt is SO MUCH more efficient in achieving results nowadays, even as it was when I was a child.
I would suggest you are talking out your ass...
 
Great idea! If you are not skilled enough to control your children as an adult should be able to, resort to control by pain. You are being true to form!

LOL. Corporal punishment isn't a "resorting to" concept. It should be the Principle means of discipline. As my parents found out, for some children it's literally the ONLY thing that works, so why not cut through the BS and get straight down to it. FEAR and PAIN are the only two truly universal motivators of human beings.



I would suggest you are talking out your ass...

What would make you say that?
 
Great idea! If you are not skilled enough to control your children as an adult should be able to, resort to control by pain. You are being true to form!

LOL. Corporal punishment isn't a "resorting to" concept. It should be the Principle means of discipline. As my parents found out, for some children it's literally the ONLY thing that works, so why not cut through the BS and get straight down to it. FEAR and PAIN are the only two truly universal motivators of human beings.



I would suggest you are talking out your ass...

What would make you say that?
guess you don't read your own posts...
 
"The parents of a 3-year-old boy who shot himself in the abdomen March 3 have been indicted on four counts of felony child abuse.



Don and Sharina Marion, who live in Elephant Head, were indicted July 2 by a grand jury; court records were made available this week.



They entered not guilty pleas, were appointed an attorney and were released on their own recognizance July 23. They face an Aug. 25 case management court date.





Don Marion, 50, is the volunteer fire chief for Elephant Head Fire Department.





Detectives found 20 unsecured guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition throughout the couple's home after their 3-year-old son accidentally shot himself in the abdomen, according to Pima County Sheriff's reports. The child survived.

"



Parents charged after boy, 3, shoots himself - Green Valley News: Local News



The father had a gun safe, but left it unlocked because he could not remember the combination. The children were removed from the home by Child Protective Services, but were later returned.





This man, who is the chief of the volunteer fire Department, no less, should be the poster child of the Arizona branch of the NRA. He is exactly the kind of man that gun control advocates are trying to stop. In this man's case, if convicted, he should be prohibited by law from owning or having a gun in his home until his children reach majority.


I hope [MENTION=33194]PredFan[/MENTION] reads this and thinks about his decision to leave loaded guns scattered around his home.




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Read it. I still have my guns loaded. Now mind you, my youngest is 16 now. I have no 3 year olds but all 5 of my kids were around guns, loaded ones, when they were 3. A gun owner just has to be smart about it.
 
I can't be responsible for your failure to read my post.
Or your own, apparently.

You said

I asked:

Well?

But, now that you mention it, I would also be in favor of a law requiring a person to demonstrate proficiency and safety to legal authorities, before he is allowed to own a gun. This would be similar to passing a driver's license test before dad tosses you the keys to the F350.
You do not need a license to buy, own, possess or store an F350
You do not need a license to operate an F350 on private property.
You do not need a license to transport an F350 on public property
You don't need a license to do these things w/ anF350s; why, under your premise, would you need a license to do any of them with a gun?

Shooter, just what is your malfunction? I never even mentioned back-ground checks, need justified licensing, etc., etc. So, what you are doing is reading your own words into my post, and demanding that I defend them? Ain't going to happen, bro....

So your post had no purpose? Ummm....ok.
 
No one wants reponsible gun owners' weapons. Only the stupid peoples' who make the rest of us look bad.

Here the $64,000 questions.

How do you separate out the stupid ones before they do something stupid?

And how would any form of gun control stop something like this?
 
"The parents of a 3-year-old boy who shot himself in the abdomen March 3 have been indicted on four counts of felony child abuse.

Don and Sharina Marion, who live in Elephant Head, were indicted July 2 by a grand jury; court records were made available this week.

They entered not guilty pleas, were appointed an attorney and were released on their own recognizance July 23. They face an Aug. 25 case management court date.


Don Marion, 50, is the volunteer fire chief for Elephant Head Fire Department.


Detectives found 20 unsecured guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition throughout the couple's home after their 3-year-old son accidentally shot himself in the abdomen, according to Pima County Sheriff's reports. The child survived.
"

Parents charged after boy, 3, shoots himself - Green Valley News: Local News

The father had a gun safe, but left it unlocked because he could not remember the combination. The children were removed from the home by Child Protective Services, but were later returned.


This man, who is the chief of the volunteer fire Department, no less, should be the poster child of the Arizona branch of the NRA. He is exactly the kind of man that gun control advocates are trying to stop. In this man's case, if convicted, he should be prohibited by law from owning or having a gun in his home until his children reach majority.

Confiscate all the guns, ammo, and related things and toss both parents in the clink til the boy's 18.

Reminds of a similar story but with more dire and stupid details,
Boy, 8, Shoots Self With Uzi at Gun Show | Fox News


But this convicted felon got 15 months for an attempted murder intentional shooting, with an illegally owned firearm, of another convicted felon AND his innocent 1 year old toddler.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/clean...do-we-curtail-gun-violence-4.html#post9579527
 
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I can't be responsible for your failure to read my post.
Or your own, apparently.

You said

I asked:

Well?

But, now that you mention it, I would also be in favor of a law requiring a person to demonstrate proficiency and safety to legal authorities, before he is allowed to own a gun. This would be similar to passing a driver's license test before dad tosses you the keys to the F350.
You do not need a license to buy, own, possess or store an F350
You do not need a license to operate an F350 on private property.
You do not need a license to transport an F350 on public property
You don't need a license to do these things w/ anF350s; why, under your premise, would you need a license to do any of them with a gun?

Shooter, just what is your malfunction? I never even mentioned back-ground checks, need justified licensing, etc., etc. So, what you are doing is reading your own words into my post, and demanding that I defend them? Ain't going to happen, bro....
You want to stop people like this.
How do you plan to do so?
 
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"why, under your premise, would you need a license to do any of them with a gun?
Because maybe we could weed out people who are not even smart or educated enough to lock up their guns in a house where 4 children live, resulting in the deaths to innocent people.

Sorry that it was necessary to spell that out for you, but frankly, if I have to do that, I am beginning to suspect that you are one of those people who do not see the necessity of keeping your own guns locked away from children.
You miss the point.
if we treat guns like F350s, as you suggest, you will not need a license to buy, own, possess, store, etc a gun.
Not sure how you do not understand that.
 
20 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition? This guy didn't have guns to protect himself, he probably was planning a massacre or something. I'd consider him a danger to the general population.

We don't keep guns and ammo to kill civilians, rather, we hoard guns and ammo to kill bent cops and government thugs when the time comes. Plus, a little hunting, plinking and so on.

Yep, so on. A crowded grade school classroom or two, a movie theater, maybe a shopping mall, now and then.

This always just cracks me up. These fools actually believe they will be going up against the US military and that they will win.

Meanwhile, they're shooting three year old babies.

:rolleyes:
 
You miss the point.
if we treat guns like F350s, as you suggest, you will not need a license to buy, own, possess, store, etc a gun.
Not sure how you do not understand that.

I've seen you make this case a couple of times in the thread, and I'm not sure how you come up with it.

At least here in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts one most definitely requires a driver's license to purchase, own, and operate a motor vehicle. You even need a "learner's permit" to be taught how to operate a vehicle. I'd love to see you walk into the RMV here and tell the teller that you're registering your vehicle without a valid driver's license. You'd likely get a visit from the very nice MSP troopers who are stationed at most of the RMV locations to have a conversation about how you got to the office.

Just as I'd love to see you walk into a gun shop here and tell the dealer that you want to buy pretty much ANYTHING (firearm or ammo) in his shop without a MASSACHUSETTS license. Hell, I can't even legally sell you a firearm PRIVATELY here without ensuring that you have a license to carry.
 
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