Boots on the Ground in Iran by Mid-Terms?

[justoffal]

Marines are on their way to Iran right now.

Time to draft Barron Trump. Then Trump will have a real reason to end this thing.

We disagree on much but on this....no.
It is a disgrace to see that kind of separtion in the ranks of a nation. But there it is....in every nation and ever culture.

The privileged versus the peons.

JO

 

[Roudy]

More like swearing in of the new govt and or the crown prince.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You don’t understand those oil rich Sheiks
They pay others to do their dirty work

In the case of the US, we do the fighting for them and they repay us by jacking up the price of oil

How is the U.S. or U.S. leaders getting paid by the oil rich sheiks? Where does the money go, exactly?

 

[Independent thinker]

If it isn't possible to bring regime change to Iran without putting US boots on the ground, what percentage of eligible voters will support that policy next November?

Mohammad Marandi - Wikipedia

I'm going to stop a little short of actually saying that but regime change is imperative. Iran is demanding assurances they will never be attacked again - while they rebuild their weaponry and make nuclear weapons and will once again be murdering anti-regime protesters. That should simply not be an option. I would give them assurances as long as we have assurances they will quit building missiles, enriching Uranium, importing nuclear bombs and other weaponry, and murdering protesters inside their country. They will do none of that so we shouldn't make any assurances.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Has MAGA enlistment increased since this war started?

 

[georgephillip]

I'm going to stop a little short of actually saying that but regime change is imperative. Iran is demanding assurances they will never be attacked again - while they rebuild their weaponry and make nuclear weapons and will once again be murdering anti-regime protesters. That should simply not be an option. I would give them assurances as long as we have assurances they will quit building missiles, enriching Uranium, importing nuclear bombs and other weaponry, and murdering protesters inside their country. They will do none of that so we shouldn't make any assurances.

Which agency would enforce any assurances the US, Iran, and Israel provided? Iran has been attacked twice in the last nine months by Israel and the US while negotiations were taking place.

What we are seeing today in Iran was forecast decades ago; Iranians have been preparing for this fight since 2003, and Trump has not:

Wesley Clark - Wikipedia

"In Clark's book Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven countries in five years: "'As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more.'

"'This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran.'"

 

[justoffal]

I'm going to stop a little short of actually saying that but regime change is imperative. Iran is demanding assurances they will never be attacked again - while they rebuild their weaponry and make nuclear weapons and will once again be murdering anti-regime protesters. That should simply not be an option. I would give them assurances as long as we have assurances they will quit building missiles, enriching Uranium, importing nuclear bombs and other weaponry, and murdering protesters inside their country. They will do none of that so we shouldn't make any assurances.

You cannot take any assurances from the Islamic mindset. A basic tenet of Islam is the permissibility of deception in conjunction with infidels. Lying to non Muslims to gain an advantage is part of their schtick.

 

[georgephillip]

Marines are on their way to Iran right now.

Time to draft Barron Trump. Then Trump will have a real reason to end this thing.

I don't think any member of Donald Trump's family has ever served a single day in the US military. Trump himself received five deferments during the Vietnam War in spite of attending a military academy-type high school.

Early life and education of Donald Trump - Wikipedia

 

[d0gbreath]

I think hundreds of thousands of troops would be needed to effect regime change in a country the size of western Europe with a population of 90 million.

Imho, Israel convinced Trump the Iranians would rise against their government after the murder of their Supreme Leader; that appears to have been a mistake.

It's interesting how a population will come together against a common enemy after being attacked. We did it post 911, but our war secretary and CiC forgot about that apparently.

 

[georgephillip]

I see a coalition forming Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Dubai and so on will all begrudgingly pay in to military action against the regional bully.
They all understand that once they're in the end result must be the dissolution of the regime in Iran lest there be payback later on. It's more or less like the new Mafia Chief in town assassinating all of his predecessors children so that they don't grow up to hunt him down.
Iran has made a very severe miscalculation sending attack missiles into these regional areas.

What if those gulf Arab states see Israel as the bully?
They don't see Iran committing genocide in Gaza.
They don't see Iran invading Lebanon and Syria.
The do see nuclear weapons in Israel but not in Iran.

I think it's too early to claim Iran made a mistake by attacking US allies in the Gulf; it depends on whether or not regime change comes to those states as a result of their fealty to America and the Jewish supremacist state of Israel.

Jewish supremacy - Wikipedia

 

[georgephillip]

It's interesting how a population will come together against a common enemy after being attacked. We did it post 911, but our war secretary and CiC forgot about that apparently.

I worry about Trump and Hegseth counting on a mass casualty event involving US military personnel producing a similar "rally "round the flag" effect in this country?

There is also the very real possibility Israel has some Epstein-related blackmail evidence on Trump he doesn't want revealed

 

[georgephillip]

Hypothetically, if SOMEONE sank a carrier or destroyed a US base you would be told exactly who done it and then you would be told to blame. To ask questions or ask for proof would not be appropriate nor effective.

Who would you ask?

 

[justoffal]

What if those gulf Arab states see Israel as the bully?
They don't see Iran committing genocide in Gaza.
They don't see Iran invading Lebanon and Syria.
The do see nuclear weapons in Israel but not in Iran.

I think it's too early to claim Iran made a mistake by attacking US allies in the Gulf; it depends on whether or not regime change comes to those states as a result of their fealty to America and the Jewish supremacist state of Israel.

Jewish supremacy - Wikipedia

Sunni versus Shia is much older than Arab versus Jew.

 

[georgephillip]

Democrats helped as well dimbass

Eternal war is a bipartisan effort in the US.

 

[georgephillip]

Sunni versus Shia is much older than Arab versus Jew.

Yet there are far more Sunni and Shi in West Asia than Jews

"Yes, Iranian ballistic and cruise missiles launched from Iran can reach IDF forces in southern Lebanon, as they possess ranges exceeding 2000 km..."

GoogleAI Overview

 

[georgephillip]

That "if" depends on the Iranian & Western "hype" around Iran's missiles and their "factual" capacity.

There may be 2500 Marines headed for Kharg Island right now. If they suffer thousands of casualties, I suspect millions of Americans will blame Iran and a roughly equal number will blame Trump.

Perhaps it will all be decided next November?

 

[Kruska]

There may be 2500 Marines headed for Kharg Island right now. If they suffer thousands of casualties, I suspect millions of Americans will blame Iran and a roughly equal number will blame Trump.

Perhaps it will all be decided next November?

Right now, I would place my bet on TACO propagating the "largest and most significant ever US military victory - the likes of which the world has never seen" - and subsequently running away from this conflict by the end of next week.

There is already a newly TACO appointed - US negotiator - holding talks through back-channels with Iran - since mid of last week. !

 

[Blaster]

If it isn't possible to bring regime change to Iran without putting US boots on the ground, what percentage of eligible voters will support that policy next November?

Mohammad Marandi - Wikipedia

Send in the Kurds.

 

[TimFitz]

I think hundreds of thousands of troops would be needed to effect regime change in a country the size of western Europe with a population of 90 million.

Imho, Israel convinced Trump the Iranians would rise against their government after the murder of their Supreme Leader; that appears to have been a mistake.

And Israel has stepped back, confined itself to launching missiles and attacking Lebanon.

Iran is the problem Netanyahu talked Trump into, and is now leaving him holding the bag.

 

[justoffal]

Yet there are far more Sunni and Shi in West Asia than Jews

"Yes, Iranian ballistic and cruise missiles launched from Iran can reach IDF forces in southern Lebanon, as they possess ranges exceeding 2000 km..."

GoogleAI Overview

Dude.... I guess you haven't been paying attention. So far the United States is using a very small percentage of its firepower against Iran. They are using it in a highly restrained way. That's because they respect the lives and rights of the non-combatants that are in the way.