Boehner's Plan B fails

[SniperFire]

A few ideologues in the House have slapped down the Speaker's attempt to pressure the President and avoid the fiscal cliff because it would raise taxes on people making more than a million dollars.

Is the GOP TRYING to commit political suicide?


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/u...?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20121221&_r=0

With clarity, you point out that the 'fiscal cliff' is Obama's desire.

 

[Truthmatters]

I don't get it.
The only choice the GOP has is to let the Democrats pass anything they want to avoid the "cliff". Just vote present and put the whole thing in the backs of the Democrats.
After it fails in a year make sure everyone knows who voted for it and who didn't.

becuase even they know that what the dems woudl do would work.

that would mean no more republican party

 

[ilia25]

I don't get it.
The only choice the GOP has is to let the Democrats pass anything they want to avoid the "cliff". Just vote present and put the whole thing in the backs of the Democrats.
After it fails in a year make sure everyone knows who voted for it and who didn't.

But it won't fail, and they know it.

That is why they can't let it succeed -- because then even people like you might start suspecting that GOP has been lying to you big time for the past 30 years.

I'm willing to let them prove me wrong.
First answer me this....what is your definition of success when it comes to the economy and our Nation's budget?

The economy will recover to in couple years (unemployment under 6%) and deficit will shrink to under 3% of GDP (about 500 billion) becoming sustainable.

But that is relatively easy to achieve.

 

[Truthmatters]

Npow tell me all you right wing experts?

who constructed the cliff?

 

[Truthmatters]

boner is not who Obama should be negociating is what this has proven.

He has no power to bring his party to ANY deal

 

[akelch]

I don't get it.
The only choice the GOP has is to let the Democrats pass anything they want to avoid the "cliff". Just vote present and put the whole thing in the backs of the Democrats.
After it fails in a year make sure everyone knows who voted for it and who didn't.

becuase even they know that what the dems woudl do would work.

that would mean no more republican party

Again ...I'm willing to let them try it.

What is your definition of success when you talk about "working"?

 

[Oldguy]

boner is not who Obama should be negociating is what this has proven.

He has no power to bring his party to ANY deal

Fine. Then who SHOULD he be negotiating with? Who IS the party leader?

 

[akelch]

But it won't fail, and they know it.

That is why they can't let it succeed -- because then even people like you might start suspecting that GOP has been lying to you big time for the past 30 years.

I'm willing to let them prove me wrong.
First answer me this....what is your definition of success when it comes to the economy and our Nation's budget?

The economy will recover to in couple years (unemployment under 6%) and deficit will shrink to under 3% of GDP (about 500 billion) becoming sustainable.

But that is relatively easy to achieve.

What do you mean sustainable? And how does raising taxes on the wealth help these goals?

 

[Newby]

Is the GOP TRYING to commit political suicide?

No, some of them are actually trying to do what they were sent there to do, hold the line on tax and spending increases.

This is what this country needs right now, period, nothing else is going to help, so why do people think that's a bad thing?

I don't get it. Do people really WANT to see obama and the democrats accelerate the imploding of our economy? Is your obama phone really worth that much to you that you'd prefer that and watch America go bankrupt? Where are you people's heads at?

You do realize, I hope, that they don't make a deal before the "cliff" comes, YOUR personal taxes are going up by several thousand dollars and every department of government, including DOD, will suffer a drastic hit in their budgets. There's a good chance you'll see a reduction in your Social Security or VA check (if you get one), road projects will just lie there unfinished, police, fire departments and schools won't get the money they need to operated efficiently, the stock market is likely to tank and millions more American's lose their jobs.

Is that worth making a political statement to you? Is it worth taking down the whole country?

You mean that the 'Bush tax cuts for the rich' weren't only for the rich??? Let them expire, it's what the democrats want, and then they'll try to blame it on the repubs... same old game time after time, so let them have their way. Whenever middle class Americans see their first pay check for 01/2012 and see the hundreds missing, they'll be looking at the Dems and Obama who have preached for years about how terrible the 'Bush tax cuts for the rich' were. Guess they'll find out that THEY ARE the RICH!

 

[Truthmatters]

maybe the republican party should figure that out.

word is is that the republicans are not even coming back until 2013

 

[Si modo]

It's Bush's fault.

 

[Newby]

No, some of them are actually trying to do what they were sent there to do, hold the line on tax and spending increases.

This is what this country needs right now, period, nothing else is going to help, so why do people think that's a bad thing?

I don't get it. Do people really WANT to see obama and the democrats accelerate the imploding of our economy? Is your obama phone really worth that much to you that you'd prefer that and watch America go bankrupt? Where are you people's heads at?

You do realize, I hope, that they don't make a deal before the "cliff" comes, YOUR personal taxes are going up by several thousand dollars and every department of government, including DOD, will suffer a drastic hit in their budgets. There's a good chance you'll see a reduction in your Social Security or VA check (if you get one), road projects will just lie there unfinished, police, fire departments and schools won't get the money they need to operated efficiently, the stock market is likely to tank and millions more American's lose their jobs.

Is that worth making a political statement to you? Is it worth taking down the whole country?

You do realize that if obama and the democrats increases taxes and spending, the whole country is coming down also don't you?

Pretty clear to me there's one side trying to save the country and another doesn't give a shit. The people trying to save the country are the ones that want the line held on taxes and real spending cuts made. The other side that doesn't give a shit are the ones that want more of your money so they can waste it and add to the debt.

It's clear as a bell.

Obama wants this country in ruin, it's working out exactly as he wants to see it. You'll never convince the mindless Obamabots of this tho, who knows if they'll ever realize it or believe it.

 

[Si modo]

You do realize, I hope, that they don't make a deal before the "cliff" comes, YOUR personal taxes are going up by several thousand dollars and every department of government, including DOD, will suffer a drastic hit in their budgets. There's a good chance you'll see a reduction in your Social Security or VA check (if you get one), road projects will just lie there unfinished, police, fire departments and schools won't get the money they need to operated efficiently, the stock market is likely to tank and millions more American's lose their jobs.

Is that worth making a political statement to you? Is it worth taking down the whole country?

You do realize that if obama and the democrats increases taxes and spending, the whole country is coming down also don't you?

Pretty clear to me there's one side trying to save the country and another doesn't give a shit. The people trying to save the country are the ones that want the line held on taxes and real spending cuts made. The other side that doesn't give a shit are the ones that want more of your money so they can waste it and add to the debt.

It's clear as a bell.

Obama wants this country in ruin, it's working out exactly as he wants to see it. You'll never convince the mindless Obamabots of this tho, who knows if they'll ever realize it or believe it.

Silly, Obama didn't do a thing....it's all everyone else's fault.


I would love to be able to bring Truman back to life for a day and watch him cold cock that *****.

 

[Newby]

You do realize that if obama and the democrats increases taxes and spending, the whole country is coming down also don't you?

Pretty clear to me there's one side trying to save the country and another doesn't give a shit. The people trying to save the country are the ones that want the line held on taxes and real spending cuts made. The other side that doesn't give a shit are the ones that want more of your money so they can waste it and add to the debt.

It's clear as a bell.

Obama wants this country in ruin, it's working out exactly as he wants to see it. You'll never convince the mindless Obamabots of this tho, who knows if they'll ever realize it or believe it.

Silly, Obama didn't do a thing....it's all everyone else's fault.


I would love to be able to bring Truman back to life for a day and watch him cold cock that *****.

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

With the economy in ruins, people out of work, inflation spiraling out of control, who do you think will come to save the day? How will he have to save it? Well, by temporarily crushing the constitution of course. And it will be understandable, after all someone has to do something, right? Just like Sandy Hook and gun control, either use or create a catastophe so people are willing to hand over their liberty and freedom for so called 'security'. Fools.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Npow tell me all you right wing experts?

who constructed the cliff?

Budget Control Act of 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Budget Control Act of 2011 (Pub.L. 112-25, S. 365, 125 Stat. 240, enacted August 2, 2011) is a federal statute in the United States that was signed into law by President Barack Obama on August 2, 2011. The Act brought conclusion to the 2011 United States debt-ceiling crisis, which had threatened to lead the United States into sovereign default on or about August 3, 2011.

The law involves the introduction of several complex mechanisms, such as creation of the Congressional Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction (sometimes called the "super committee"),[1] options for a balanced budget amendment and automatic budget sequestration

House vote
The House passed the Budget Control Act[1] on August 1, 2011 by a vote of 269–161. 174 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted for it, while 66 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted against it.[14

Senate vote
The Senate passed the Act on August 2, 2011 by a vote of 74–26. 6 Democrats and 19 Republicans voted against it.[21]

Presidential signature
President Obama signed the bill shortly after it was passed by the Senate.[14] In doing so, the president said, "Is this the deal I would have preferred? No. But this compromise does make a serious down payment on the deficit reduction we need, and gives each party a strong incentive to get a balanced plan done before the end of the year

 

[Truthmatters]

you people are living in an alternate universe.

YOU and your historically failed ideas CRASHED the world economy.

 

[Truthmatters]

You got us finaicially downgraded in a debt ceiling limmit bock

 

[007]

You do realize, I hope, that they don't make a deal before the "cliff" comes, YOUR personal taxes are going up by several thousand dollars and every department of government, including DOD, will suffer a drastic hit in their budgets. There's a good chance you'll see a reduction in your Social Security or VA check (if you get one), road projects will just lie there unfinished, police, fire departments and schools won't get the money they need to operated efficiently, the stock market is likely to tank and millions more American's lose their jobs.

Is that worth making a political statement to you? Is it worth taking down the whole country?

You do realize that if obama and the democrats increases taxes and spending, the whole country is coming down also don't you?

Pretty clear to me there's one side trying to save the country and another doesn't give a shit. The people trying to save the country are the ones that want the line held on taxes and real spending cuts made. The other side that doesn't give a shit are the ones that want more of your money so they can waste it and add to the debt.

It's clear as a bell.

Obama wants this country in ruin, it's working out exactly as he wants to see it. You'll never convince the mindless Obamabots of this tho, who knows if they'll ever realize it or believe it.

The media has been lying and covering for obama since he appeared on the political stage. Stupid people have believed all the hype, lies and pompom waving by the lame stream media. Problem is they have NEVER vetted obama. They have NEVER told anyone who and what he TRULY is. Thus we have the ignorant, misinformed, apathetic voter, and two terms of a very radical, socialist president who truly believes America is evil, and wants to "fundamentally change it."

He should have stayed in Kenya.

 

[Truthmatters]

Now your idiots cant get together enough to legislate.

 

[Truthmatters]

Next your elected idiots will try and repete the debt ceiling limit insanity.


your going to lose your asses in a mid term