Blind Faith in Obama

Maybe when you grow up you'll be as smart as us. In the meantime, stay stupid.

:lol: Yeah, that's it. I aspire to be as smart as you and Ribeye.

You could go a long way there if you started reading some basic books on economics and political science instead of spewing your ignorance all over this board.

Oh, thought you had me on 'iggy?'

Believe me, you are the king of ignorance around here... Loser:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Show of hands... Anyone here besides RedneckLogic think that Rabbi is not an idiot?

Anyone?

Bueller?
 
"Thank you, Rabbi!" "No, Thank you, Lonestar!" "You're soooo smart!" "No, you are!" "Why doesn't everyone else 'get it?'" "Well, they're just not as smart as us I guess!"

Maybe when you grow up you'll be as smart as us. In the meantime, stay stupid.

OMG another one, "Thank you Lonestar you're soooo smart!"

Watching you two nitwits compete for dumbest drone is growing tiresome. OUT!
 
"Thank you, Rabbi!" "No, Thank you, Lonestar!" "You're soooo smart!" "No, you are!" "Why doesn't everyone else 'get it?'" "Well, they're just not as smart as us I guess!"

Maybe when you grow up you'll be as smart as us. In the meantime, stay stupid.

OMG another one, "Thank you Lonestar you're soooo smart!"

Watching you two nitwits compete for dumbest drone is growing tiresome. OUT!

Your concession is duly noted.
 
That is of course anything but honest and real.
And Obama seems to have continued Bush's "failed policies."

Bush's failed policies were thinking he could conduct two ground wars of major import and cut taxes at the same time. Obama's failed policy is that he thought a major health care initiative could be installed during a time when the economy was flat on its face. Let's just say they both had visions of grandeur, but I have to wonder why Bush's failure is now being minimized and Obama is taking the heat for the failures of not just himself but of Bush.

No, actually that is false. The downturn in the economy has nothing, zero, to do with expenditures in Iraq or tax cuts, which happened considerably before the wars.
In fact, nothing you post is true, even remotely so. Are you really that out of touch with reality?
I think you belong on iggy because your posts are not intelligent, not well informed, not well reasoned, and frankly a waste of my time.

The Bush administration funded $100 billion from war supplementals that were not added to his budget, thereby giving a faux deficit figure attributed to his administration. And those were just nuts and bolts. The true cost of the Iraq war (veterans health care, veterans benefits, replacement of destroyed equipment, nation-building) will be in the trillions.

Next?
 
That is of course anything but honest and real.
And Obama seems to have continued Bush's "failed policies."

You mean like promoting sweeping healthcare and financial reform or maybe an overhaul of the student loan system? I suppose I might have missed the Shrub admin doing those things....:eusa_think:

Those aren't the only things you've missed.
I think you'll go on iggy too.

Ooh THAT'S what "iggy" means. I thought you referring to your favorite cartoon. :lol:
 
You name it, economy, jobs, national debt, foreign policy et all., all headed in the wrong direction since the Democratic party took over Congress in 2007 and Obama took over the Presidency in 2009. Yet Democrats still hold out hope for positive change, I just can't figure out why..? What is making them so hopeful? I mean, I like to be hopeful that all this is going to turn around but logically, I just don't see how. What's the secret?

George W. Bush and the GOP controlled Congress....

Well.. Bush brought us out of the Clinton recession, got us through 9/11 , he did start the Iraqi and Afghanistan war with the American people and Democratic Party support.

I would agree Republicans spent their way out of control of the Congress and the Presidency but in comparison things are a hell of a lot worse now. In comparison Bush was far superior to the road we're on now and yet Democrats keep the faith in Obama... what gives?

Didn't the economy crash after 9/11? Didn't Bush's policies put us 'back on track' in less than a year?

If this pres is so great, and so smart, why isn't the economy fixed? Is he admitting that he isn't as capable as Bush (to turn the economy around after ~18months in office)?
 
That is of course anything but honest and real.
And Obama seems to have continued Bush's "failed policies."

You mean like promoting sweeping healthcare and financial reform or maybe an overhaul of the student loan system? I suppose I might have missed the Shrub admin doing those things....:eusa_think:

Boooooooooooosh!!!!


You could catch Barry ******* your cat and you'd be trying to have someone take a picture of you with your arm around him....

The 0ssiah worshipers like you are to be laughed at....

And you?

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As long as you have a breath to breathe, there is always hope.

It doesn't matter which party brings about the change. We can and should hold out hope for a better America and I believe there is yet hope.

Immie

So do I believe there's still hope but my hope is wrapped up in disillusionment at the present. I'm trying to understand why there's this blind faith that things are going to turn around under this present situation.

What's that called when you keep doing something and get the same results, but yet you keep doing the same thing expecting different results ... oh yeah: futility.
People voted for moderate or conservative democrats, only to watch them go to DC and join the far left. Watch, in this election, they will do it again.
 
Hope sure beats fearmongering. At least in my book.

Look at the facts, Obama's attempt to shut down deep sea drilling, is a job killer, cap and trade another job killer, now explain to me what Obama is doing to help the economy. And please be specific.

No. BP's oil leak is a job killer. Cap and trade is not in effect and hasn't killed any jobs. Obama is pushing green energy and jobs. Obama and the Democrat led Congress just recently passed a jobs bill as well as a small business lending intiative.

Didn't Spain 'push' green jobs? And where are they now?
 
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

Interesting. So when was the last time the Republicans had a successful run at driving the boat? Reagan? Thirty years ago. Oh, nice record. :lol:

Well, the R's had the Congress from 94 until.......06? Pretty damn big economic explosion during those times, was it not?
Oh yes, that's why Bush41 lost reelection after he tried to clean up Reagan's huge deficit problems.

We also had the balls to respond PROPERLY to the 2nd WTC boming, unlike Clinton's response after the 1st WTC bombing in 93.
I really don't think you want to go there. I might have to pull up my extensive library on the subject. In the meantime, you might try actually reading the 911 Commission's report.
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You name it, economy, jobs, national debt, foreign policy et all., all headed in the wrong direction since the Democratic party took over Congress in 2007 and Obama took over the Presidency in 2009. Yet Democrats still hold out hope for positive change, I just can't figure out why..? What is making them so hopeful? I mean, I'd like to be hopeful that all this is going to turn around but logically, I just don't see how. What's the secret?

You almost got it right. It should read:

You name it, economy, jobs, national debt, foreign policy et all., all headed in the wrong direction WHEN the Democratic party took over Congress in 2007 and Obama took over the Presidency in 2009.

Fortunately, it looks like things are finally headed in the right direction.

The problem isn't "blind faith" in Obama, it's "blind hate" for Obama from the lemmings on the right.

Well, please, tell us, what has he improved? the stock market? the economy? citizen's rights (after the health-care fiasco)? not raising taxes on those making under $250,000 a year? Afganistan? Has he caught Osama?

You are telling us, we are blind, demonstrate how this man has done anything to improve this country.
 
You name it, economy, jobs, national debt, foreign policy et all., all headed in the wrong direction since the Democratic party took over Congress in 2007 and Obama took over the Presidency in 2009. Yet Democrats still hold out hope for positive change, I just can't figure out why..? What is making them so hopeful? I mean, I'd like to be hopeful that all this is going to turn around but logically, I just don't see how. What's the secret?

I can understand people sticking with him who believe the same fucked up ideology, but it's the flagrant abuses of power, and fuckups, that they stamp their feet while trying to justify the unjustifiable that gets me.
I just don't get it.

What abuse of power? Facts, please.

And do try to remember that one person's fuckup is another person's victory. It's exactly the same regardless which party is in power.
 
Look at the facts, Obama's attempt to shut down deep sea drilling, is a job killer, cap and trade another job killer, now explain to me what Obama is doing to help the economy. And please be specific.

The oil spill is creating jobs. By your logic, plugging the leak is a bad idea because it's a job killer.

Another example of an idiot that can't defend Obama on his job making promises. Fact is the oil spill has created some jobs, but that's no reason to prolong the leak. Only an idiot such as yourself would suggest such a thing.

House Republicans are offering a better solution: an economic recovery plan that will create 6.2 million new American jobs over the next two years, according to a methodology used by President Obama’s own nominee as Chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisors, Dr. Christina Romer. The Camp-Cantor alternative – crafted by House Ways & Means Committee ranking member Dave Camp (R-MI), Republican Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA), and the members of the House GOP Economic Recovery Working Group – will provide fast-acting tax relief to help the economy create jobs, as opposed to the congressional Democrats’ bill, which is loaded with government spending on programs and projects. Here’s a quick summary of the House GOP’s Economic Recovery alternative:


•Immediate Tax Relief for Working Families: House Republicans propose reducing the lowest individual tax rates from 15 percent to 10 percent and from 10 percent to five percent. Under the proposal, a married couple filing jointly could save up to $3,400 a year in taxes. The alternative also ensures that no additional middle class taxpayers will fall victim to the Alternative Minimum Tax.

•Help for America’s Small Businesses: House Republicans propose to allow small businesses to take a tax deduction equal to 20 percent of their income. This will immediately encourage investment and free up funds for small businesses to hire new employees and create jobs.

•Assistance for the Unemployed: House Republicans propose to make unemployment benefits tax free so that those looking for work can focus on providing for their families.

•Extension of Unemployment Insurance Benefits: The alternative extends through December 2009 the current temporary federal extended unemployment benefits program to help more long-term unemployed workers.

•Stabilizing Home Values: In order to encourage responsible buyers to enter the market and stabilize prices, House Republicans propose a home-buyers credit of $7,500 for those buyers who make a minimum down-payment of five percent.

•Expanded Net Operating Losses (NOLs): The proposal expands the NOL carryback rules, permitting businesses to carry back their NOL deductions for five years, rather than two. This would provide many previously profitable companies the opportunity to seek immediate refunds of past taxes paid, giving them cash infusions that would help them weather the current economic storm.

•Bonus Depreciation / Small Business Expensing: The House GOP alternative extends the favorable depreciation rules contained in the 2008 economic stimulus package, providing businesses, both large and small, enhanced incentives to make critical investments that they might otherwise forgo during these challenging economic times.

•Repeal of Three Percent Withholding Requirement for Government Contractors: The measure repeals the rule requiring three percent withholding on certain payments made to taxpayers under contracts with federal, state, and local governments.

•Health Insurance Deduction: The alternative levels the playing field regarding the tax treatment of health insurance by providing a new above-the-line deduction for those Americans who do not receive tax-preferred, employer-sponsored health coverage. This provision would provide a critical tax benefit to Americans who must purchase insurance on their own, regardless of whether they itemize their taxes or take the standard deduction.

•No Tax Increases to Pay for Spending: House Republicans are concerned that the level of spending in the congressional Democrats’ trillion dollar package could result in near-term tax increases on American families and are insisting that any economic package include a provision precluding any tax increases now or in the future to pay for this new spending.
House Republican Leader John Boehner

Some of those were implemented. In any case, all in all 25 tax cuts or incentives were made available as part of the stimulus bill which everyone conveniently forgets.

Individual Tax Cuts:

1. "Making Work Pay" Tax Credit (Sec. 1001, Page 195). In tax years 2009 and 2010, the Making Work Pay provision will provide a refundable tax credit of 6.2 percent of earned income up to $400 for individuals and up to $800 for married taxpayers filing joint returns.

2. Increase in the Earned Income Tax Credit (Sec. 1002, Page 198). Go to the stimulus bill for all the details, but it essentially expands this benefit for the working poor.

3. Increased Eligibility for the Refundable Portion of Child Credit (Sec. 1003, Page 199). In 2009 and 2010, families who don’t earn enough to pay income tax would be eligible to claim the $1,000 child credit.

4. "American Opportunity" Education Tax Credit (Sec. 1004, Page 199). Increases the Hope Scholarship Credit to $2,500.

5. Refundable First-time Home Buyer Credit. (Sec. 1006, Page 202). This extended and increased the first-time home buyer tax credit from $7,500 to $8,000.

6. Temporary Suspension of Taxation of Unemployment Benefits (Sec. 1007, Page 203). This exempts from taxable gross income the first $2,400 of unemployment benefits.

7. Tax Credits for Energy-Efficient Improvements to Existing Homes (Sec. 1121, Page 208). This provides up to a $1,500 tax credit for qualified energy efficiency improvements.

8. Sales Tax Deduction for Vehicle Purchases (Sec. 1008, Page 203). This allows people to write off state and local sales taxes related to the purchase of a new vehicle costing up to $49,500.

9. Premium Credits for COBRA Continuation Coverage for Unemployed Workers (Sec. 6432, Page 348)

10. Economic Recovery Credits to Recipients of Social Security, SSI, Railroad Retirement and Veterans Disability Compensation Benefits (Sec. 2201, Page 336). This was a $250 payment for senior citizens, disabled veterans and disabled people living on Social Security benefits.

11. Computers as Qualified Education Expenses in 529 Education Plans (Sec. 1005, Page 202). This allows college students to write off the expense of computers and software, provided it's for educational purpose and not for games.

12. Plug-in Electric Drive Vehicle Credit (Sec. 1141, Page 212). Allows purchasers of plug-in electric vehicles to write off up to $5,000 of their purchase (depending on the power of the battery).

13. Tax Parity for Transit Benefits (sec. 1151, Page 219). This relates to an increased exclusion amount for commuter transit benefits and transit passes.

14. Health Coverage Tax Credit Expansion (Sec. 1899, Page 309).

Small Business Tax Cuts:

1. Extension of Enhanced Small Business Expensing (Sec. 1202, Page 221). This is a temporary increase in limitations on expensing some depreciable business assets.

2. 5-Year Carryback of Net Operating Losses for Small Businesses (Sec. 1211, Page 221).

3. Extension of Bonus Depreciation (Sec. 1201, Page 220). This extends by a year election to accelerate the AMT and Research Credits in lieu of bonus depreciation.

4. Exclusion of 75% of Small Business Capital Gains from Taxes (Sec. 1241, Page 228).

5. Temporary Small Business Estimated Tax Payment Relief (Sec. 1212, Page 222).

6. Temporary Reduction of S Corporation Built-In Gains Holding Period from 10 Years to 7 Years (Sec. 1251, Page 228).

Other Business Tax Cuts:

1. Advanced Energy Investment Credit (Sec. 1302, Page 231). This relates to properties designed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, such as those that produce
energy from the sun, wind, geothermal deposits, fuel cells, microturbines, or an energy storage system for use with electric or hybrid-electric vehicles.

2. Tax Credits for Alternative Refueling Property (Sec. 1123, Page 211). This is a temporary increase for alternative fuel vehicle refueling businesses.

3. Work Opportunity Tax Credits for Hiring Unemployed Veterans and Disconnected Youth (Sec. 1221, Page 223). This is a tax credit to provide incentive to businesses to hire unemployed veterans and "disconnected youth." That latter term is defined, in part, as young adults "not readily employable by reason of lacking a sufficient number of basic skills."

4. Delayed Recognition of Certain Cancellation of Debt Income (Sec. 1231, Page 224).

5. Election to Accelerate Recognition of Historic AMT/R&D Credits (Sec. 1201, Page 220).

In all, tax cuts amounted to about a third of the cost of the $862 billion stimulus over the next decade. About $40 billion more is remaining also designated for small business tax cuts.
 
Wake up dude!! I think you're dreaming.

What good does negative thinking do?

If you consider facing reality as negative, then cling to your hope and change mantra. By the way, how is that hope and change thing working for you?

Just fine, thank you. Of course when the economy tanked as fast and as severe as it did, I didn't delude myself into believing that quick solutions (or a different elected leadership) were going to be able to put it back together again anytime soon.
 
Look at the facts, Obama's attempt to shut down deep sea drilling, is a job killer, cap and trade another job killer, now explain to me what Obama is doing to help the economy. And please be specific.

The ban imposed on deep water drilling was lifted by court order, so none of the other rigs has yet been shut down. According to the Interior Department, there are 3,500 drilling rigs and platforms in the Gulf, 79 of them deepwater wells, and they are operating at 97% capacity.

And I fail to see how cap and trade will be a job killer when production will go on as usual.

That's not true. Please provide the link to the Interior Departments rig count and status.
See map in this link. The same information can be found in numerous places. My posted information came from a CBS news item which quoted the Interior Department. Why would I lie about something that can so easily be verified?
What Investors are Learning From the BP Oil Spill | Before It's News

The list indicates that nine rigs have already shut down operations as a result of the May 27 directive from Interior Secretary Ken Salazar in his 30-day report on the blowout of the Deepwater Horizon well and the oil spill, the worst in U.S. history, that has followed. Another 16 will cease operations at the first safe opportunity.

Cap and trade is a job killer and even the democrats acknowledge it. Obviously only idiots like you can't accept that fact.

Democrats Admit That Their Cap and Trade Bill Is a Job Killer

Why are you liberals incapable of being honest?

Talk about dishonesty, I don't know where The Washington Times got its figures, but the bill as passed by the House doesn't specify subsidies for potential layoffs. I suspect if that happens, those people laid off would be compensated in the same way any other industry employees are. That said, I also don't think they envision a lot of layoffs in any event. Additional, new training of certain employees, yes. Highlights of the House bill are in the Wiki link (the bill is hyperlinked therein). The Senate has not yet passed anything, and in fact, a completely revised version will be proposed by Senators Lugar and Graham, possibly next week, which contains a watered-down cap and trade.

American Clean Energy and Security Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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BP is actually hiring 2000+ people to help with the cleanup and has not laid anyone off. Cap and trade will kill jobs if it ever passes. What specifically has Obama done to create jobs, and where are these jobs? Unemployment rate is in fact rising, so again what specific jobs in the private sector has Obama created.

Again, how do you figure cap and trade will kill jobs? Currently, it's beginning to look as though cap and trade will be strictly an energy initiative and have nothing to do with promoting global warming projects. So show me your proof that it will "kill" jobs.

As for Obama creating jobs in the private sector, he cannot FORCE businesses to hire. He has provided a slew of tax credits and hiring initiatives, which is the extent of authority the executive branch has over "creating jobs" for the private sector. Another reality is that private businesses have discovered that using temporary help keeps their costs down and still maintains productivity, so it's possible many of the old jobs won't be coming back at all. What should Obama do about that? Does he have some special authority to demand that businesses re-employ laid off workers? Of course not. What would a Republican president do in that situation?

You want proof? Hell google it yourself and listen to you rfellow democratic idiots, they even acknowledge it's a job killer.

Obama promised he would create jobs and I'm holding him to his promise. Did you even listen to his State of the Union Address where he laid out his plan for creating jobs?

Obama claimed that his stimulus policies worked and “saved jobs.” He also said that his policies staved off another Great Depression. But lets take a look at some of the graft, waste and pointless, useless, wild-eyed spending that was in his so-called stimulus.

•$5 million to create a geothermal energy system for a shopping mall in Tennessee. The mall is over half empty of tenants and has had falling shopper attendance for years *
•$1.57 million to Penn State University study fossils in Argentina *
•$100,000 to a puppet theater in Minnesota *
•$2 million to build a replica railroad tourist trap in Carson City, Nev. *
•A boat cruise company in Chicago got almost $1 million to “combat terrorism” *
•$500,000 went to Ariz. State Univ. to study ant genetics *
•Another $450,000 went to Uinv. of Arizona to study ants *
•Almost $400,000 went to Univ. of New York to pay students to drink beer and smoke marijuana for a study there *
•$219,000 to the Nat’l Institute of Health to study if young people “hook-up” after getting drunk *
•$210,000 to the Univ. of Hawaii to study bees *
•$700,000 to crab fishermen in Oregon to pay for lost crab pots *
•$5,000 a person tax rebate if you buy a new electric golf cart (Wall Street Journal)
•Up to $1 million went to prisoners in $250 stimulus checks (FoxNews)
•$54 mil to a New York Indian tribe to run its casino (New York Post)
•$1 billion for a power plant in Mattoon, Illinois that is based on speculative science and may not even work **
•$15 million to back-road bridges that get little traffic in Wisconsin **
•$800,000 for a practically unused airport in Pennsylvania **
•$3.4 million for an animal walk way under a road in Florida **
•$1.15 million to install a guard rail for a lake that doesn’t even exist in Oklahoma **
•$10 million to renovate a rail station that has stood unused for a decade **
•$578,000 to battle homelessness in Union, New York even though the town says they have no homeless people there **
•$233,000 to the Univ. of Calif. to study why Africans vote… in Africa ***
•$2 million to build a new fire house in a Nevada town that has no firemen ***
•North Carolina schools got $4.4 million for literacy and math coaches… to teach their teachers! ***
•$54 million for a railroad project in Napa Valley went to a minority-owned company that then hired a local construction company for half the price, pocketing the rest ***
•A California company was given $15 million in stimulus money to monitor water quality in a stream it was under indictment for polluting previously***

:lol: See? That's what happens when the federal government allows THE STATES to do whatever they want with money. However, that said, is that all you've got? Out of an $800 billion package, there were bound to be some programs that would fall through the cracks. Just keep on reading your negative information and totally ignoring anything good. I know you won't disappoint.

You can check out every single dollar spent, the good the bad and the ugly, at this all-inclusive website which will save you time scavenging the Internet for all the BAAAAAAD reports:

How Much Stimulus Funding is Going to Your County? | ProPublica Recovery Tracker
 
Another example of an idiot that can't defend Obama on his job making promises. Fact is the oil spill has created some jobs, but that's no reason to prolong the leak. Only an idiot such as yourself would suggest such a thing.

No you supported it with your foolish notion that we should continue deepwater drilling, even now that we know beyond a reasonable doubt that the drillers have NO means of effectively fixing a blowout before it causes massive JOB KILLING damage, just for the sake of a few oil drilling jobs.

That is insanity, and I've yet to hear anyone made a good case that it isn't.

Yes I fully support deepwater drilling. You wouldn't suggest that trucks stop driving on the interstate because of one major accident , would you?

How many drilling rigs have you worked on?

Look, it ain't gonna happen anyway, by court order, so why don't you just go bury that chewed up bone you continue to gnaw on! MOVE ON! I'm sure there's some other truly awful thing Obama did today that you can pick apart and spend the next 24 hours wringing your hands over.
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"•Extension of Unemployment Insurance Benefits: The alternative extends through December 2009 the current temporary federal extended unemployment benefits program to help more long-term unemployed workers. "

Did they make mention of how they'll pay for it?

Just curious, they've been pretty vocal and adamant about that so I think it only right they back it up.
FTR, I don't support extending it anymore whether it's paid for or not. Hopefully welfare would shame some of them back to work if they haven't found any in fuckin' near 2 years.

I provided the link, but I imagine tax dollars would pay for it. Tax dollars that are now being wasted by Obama stimuls package such as :

Create interactive dance performance technology: $762,372

This grant to UNC-Charlotte will fund the development of computer technology to digitally record the dance moves of performers. The recorded movements can then be reviewed and manipulated by a computer program. Although creating virtual-reality type technology for dance movements may be interesting to those involved, how does this serve to “protect the education of our children”? At an average salary of roughly $47,000, this money could have saved 16 North Carolina teacher jobs

Collecting, researching and reporting on the stimulus act: $115,000; $150,000; $227,940
Total: $492,940

Nearly half a million taxpayer dollars will go toward funding more propaganda selling the “benefits” of the stimulus plan. The federal government created the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board, while North Carolina established the Office of Economic Recovery & Investment for these very purposes. Apparently, that’s just not enough propaganda.

Reducing hot flashes through yoga: $147,694

Funds granted to Wake Forest University to study “preliminary data on the efficacy of integral yoga for reducing menopausal hot flashes.” The President warned us that the stimulus plan was needed to avoid an economic “catastrophe.” How does this study help revive the economy?

American Dance Festival, Inc.: $50,000

A graphic designer and archivist will retain their jobs thanks to this grant. The American Dance Festival hosts dance classes, workshops and engages in other charitable activities to help support dancers. How will this help reverse a major international financial crisis, exactly?

This is just examples of wasted stimulus spending in North Carolina.

Why isn't the governor of North Carolina taking any responsibility for such boondoggles? Huh?
 
Blind faith in Obama? Not demonizing him as the Antichrist cometh to rip our babies' head off and drink their blood like it was one of Hilary's shots of rum is complete and utter blind faith.
 

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