Black racism is not a mirror image of white racism.

[westwall]

No more than blacks are. Racism is a feeling that you are superior to another person because of their race.

Being AFRAID of a person because of their race doesn't seem racist at all. It is an acknowledgement that blacks commit crimes at a rate far greater than any other racial group.

That's just reality.

So then it's an admission that whites, in general, are AFRAID of blacks, yes?

Note how the subject uses the phrase "seem racist", emphasis on the word "SEEM."

Whites have been afraid of blacks ever since slavery days when they rightfully, in my opinion, lived in fear that their slaves would rise up and kill them while they slept in their beds at night.

When you spend your life violating the basic human rights of another human being and doing everything within your power to oppress them under a doctrine whose falsity can be proven simply by the fact that had any of the things that were done to the slaves had been done to a white person, the white community would have insisted upon swift and fatal justice, it makes sense that you would live in fear of retribution.

A point in case is when whites torched and burned to the ground a community of Tusla, Oklahoma known as the Black Wall Street for the alleged assault of a white girl. All accounts indicated that she had not been assaulted, that she was bumped into by a black teen.

Never in the history of this country have black people been allowed to demand justice in this manner without being charged and convicted of the applicable crimes yet none of the white rioters ever faced justice.

This is the history of the white race in the United States, these types of acts and more, sometimes far more heinous crimes. If you want to view black people through a lens that doesn't include this history and provides no understanding of it, that's a failing on your part and the part of every other racist white person who laments the alleged "racism" of blacks which in most cases is a reaction to the institutional racism that has been practiced in this country against those of us of African descent since it's inception.

In fact many of the members posting on this site crying about their fear of being replaced or of the white race becoming a minority sound as if they fear being treated the way the white race treated black people.

The Tulsa race massacre (also called the Tulsa race riot, the Greenwood Massacre, or the Black Wall Street Massacre) of 1921[9][10][11][12][13][14] took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents attacked black residents and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma.[1] It has been called "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history."[15] The attack, carried out on the ground and from private aircraft, destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the district – at that time the wealthiest black community in the United States, known as "Black Wall Street".

More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals and as many as 6,000 black residents were interned at large facilities, many for several days.[16][17] The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics officially recorded 36 dead, but the American Red Cross declined to provide an estimate. A 2001 state commission examination of events was able to confirm 39 dead, 26 black and 13 white, based on contemporary autopsy reports, death certificates and other records.[1]:114 The commission gave overall estimates from 75–100 to 150–300 dead.[1]:13[1]:23

The massacre began over Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, the 17-year-old white elevator operator of the nearby Drexel Building. He was taken into custody. A subsequent gathering of angry local whites outside the courthouse where Rowland was being held, and the spread of rumors he had been lynched, alarmed the local black population, some of whom arrived at the courthouse armed. Shots were fired and twelve people were killed: ten white and two black.[18] As news of these deaths spread throughout the city, mob violence exploded.[2] White rioters rampaged through the black neighborhood that night and morning killing men and burning and looting stores and homes, and only around noon the next day Oklahoma National Guard troops managed to get control of the situation by declaring martial law. About 10,000 black people were left homeless, and property damage amounted to more than $1.5 million in real estate and $750,000 in personal property (equivalent to $32.25 million in 2019).

Got anything more recent? You know like in the last half century? I can post up thousands of videos of blacks rioting over the last decade.

Were the black people who were rioting arrested & prosecuted? I would bet money that they were and probably contribute to those crime statistics you all like to quote all the time.

None of the white people were arrested with the exception of the sheriff and the general consensus is they arrested him for him refusing to hand over Dick Rowland to the white mob so that they could lynch him. Not a single one of the 2000 white rioters were even arrested let alone prosecuted.

You seriously can't see how these two events differ? And why black people may stil feel a sense of injustice for the pileup of injury upon insult that still continues to this day?

Very, very few of them were. In fact, the mayor of Baltimore pretty much let them go berserk.

I'm really surprised to hear this. I was still living in Los Angeles back in the early '90s when people were rioting over the acquittal of the police officers who beat Rodney King in the State's case against them and the news stations were turning in their video coverage to law enforcement in order to identify the looters and other individuals involved in criminal activity. I also remember being shocked that the people who they arrested were not processed within the required number of hours due to Martial Law having been declared.

I too was in LA during the riots. Virtually none of the rioters were ever prosecuted. The only ones I can recall are those who attacked and caused permanent brain damage to Reginald denny I believe his name was.

The fact is in riots only the slow stupid ones ever get caught.

Why is westvall talking about the LA riots? How about the Keene riot done by whites because they ran out of pumpkins? How about the Morgantown riot, where whites tore the town up after West Virginia won a college football game? I mean these whites like him seem to be oblivious to their own wrong doing and like to pretend they don't happen.

Name all the white riots over the last 25 years.

Actually the more pertinent question would be when and where have a black mob descended upon a white community, rioted and burned that community to the ground, and not a single rioter (criminal) was apprehended and convicted

There is more black on white crime in a year, than all of whiteys attacks on black communities throughout the history of the USA.

That's untrue. Between the 1920's until the civil rights act, there was an average of at least 1 attack per day by a white person on someone black, with thousands of fire bombings included. Maybe you start to read more than Marvel Comics to learn this. Try reading the "Color of Law" by Richard Rothstein or "We Charge Genocide" by William Patterson.

Again, whites commit triple the crime we do on an annual; basis. We don't have to use mathematical formulas to create a fake scenario when we make this claim like you do with your per 100,000 argument. Because that argument rests on a false notion of if blacks had the same population as whites then crime would be 5 times higher, when that would not be the case.

But then again, whites believed drapetomania was an actual sickness and in the 1960's they believed there was no race problem.

You racists ignore the reality of what 5 times more black people would mean. 5 times more blacks in legislative bodies, as attorneys, on police forces, in busi9ness and in corporate management positions. 5 times more black professors and university administrators. 5 times the amount of overall wealth and increased community and economic development. 5 times the home ownership and five times more school funding meaning better educations. Five times more students who can afford post secondary education and 5 times more jobs in the black community. 5 times less unemployment and 5 times less crime. This is where your short sighted punk ass per capita argument fails.

Whites are the most criminal and violent race in this country. Whites organized crime and made it into a corporation that controls cities, state officials as well as national policymakers. You got a white criminal who defrauded people out of money running the country. White men on wall street robbed this nation of trillions of dollars with their bullshit derivatives, mortgage backed securities and credit default swaps. White men robbed the country of trillions with junk bonds and other financial schemes taking peoples hard-earned pensions from them, leaving them broke at retirement with nowhere to go and your punk ass talks about black criminals. Fuck you white boy.

Hmmmm, that last insult you tossed is called racist, dumbass. In all of my insults against you I have never once stooped so low as to mention your race.

That is the purview of racists, and assholes who have lost the argument so descend to their lowest, racist, common denominator.

Thanks for proving what we all know little fragile racist.

 

[Godboy]

Black racism is not a mirror image of white racism. It is not equal and opposite. Instead it is different in scale and kind:

Blacks lack institutional power. They do not, for the most part, control the banks,

the police,
the courts,
the schools,
the hospitals,
the newspapers,
the film industry,
the fashion industry,
the labour market,
the housing market

and on and on. Instead whites do. So much so that their racism affects rates of black unemployment, income, life expectancy, education, segregation and incarceration. Blacks do not even begin to have that kind of power over whites. If wealth is power, as it largely is in America, then whites as a whole are a hundred times more powerful than blacks (that is double what it was before the Great Recession). Even though we had a president who was black, he could not openly help blacks without being accused of racism.

Internalized racism: The racism among blacks is mostly directed against other blacks, especially against one’s self. Blacks are subject to much of the same racist brainwashing as whites, particularly through television and school. According to one test of racism (the IAT), 42% of blacks are racist in favour of whites!

Blacks understand whites way better than whites understand blacks: Because they have to just to feed their families in a society that is mostly white.

Because they read white books, watch white television, receive white educations, work at white companies, etc. They have to deal with whites. Meantime whites can avoid dealing with blacks or having to take them seriously.

This makes it hard for blacks to stereotype and dehumanize whites to a serious degree.

Blacks have not committed serious injustices that require racist whitewashing.

Blacks do not build their sense of self-worth on looking down on whites.

There is nothing like a black n-word for whites.

There is nothing like the black Klan. Some whites think Black Lives Matter is like that, but they have never gone into white neighbourhoods to spread terror and lynch white people.

Blacks do commit hate crimes and so on, but to think black racism is equal and opposite to white racism is to miss the nature of both white racism and black racism. White racism is institutional and cultural and a hundred times more powerful. Black racism is personal and, to a large degree, is a response or reaction to white racism.

A long-winded rationalization for your own racism, racist trash.

You are the racist, not me.

Fucking liar...You're the biggest goddamned racist on this forum....A racist pussy.

Now go run to the maudes, like the sniveling little pussy bitch that you are.

Show proof of my racism.

Its been done MANY times, yet you keep asking people to prove again.

No it has not been done. What you call racism isn't even racism.

Oh, you're not racist because you are black?

Is that your claim fragile black person?

I'm not racist because I'm not racist. What you guys call racism is me pointing out white racism. That's not racism or racist. There is no belief of my inherent superiority by doing that. You are just a butthurt white punk trying to make up black racism so you can call someone black a racist in order to deny the racism those like you continue practicing.

Why Whites Call People Of Colour "Racist"

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Now I understand that you suffer from both amnesia and psychosis but the fact is blacks are looking at a documented behavior that has been consistent from whites for at least 400 years and not your skin color. You guys made some shit up about blacks and judge by skin color using that made up bullshit.

You are the very definition of racist clown. Are you delusional, or just stupid?

Talking about white racism is not racist. You are the delusional one.

I agree talking about it is not, however the way you present your case is TOTALLY racist.

No, the way I present my case in 100 percent accurate. And not taking the racist bullshit from you punks is always going to be the right thing to do. You guys started off calling me a monkey and I have heard just about enough of the n word and all the racist assumptions from you motherfuckers, so you get what you created. It's just like the history of America. Whites like you disrespected people for 243 years and then you cry because the people who keep getting dissed by your bullying decide to give you back what you dish out.

Ive never called you or anyone a monkey, or used the N word in any form. Youve called me all sorts of racist stuff though. You often use the word "white" as part of your insults, and you LOVE calling people "cracker". Youre a racist bro. Just own it.

I have been called a monkey and many other derogatory names by whites in here. And you have made racist insults. White is a race of people. I have used the words you described when such racism is directed at me. I am no racist, what you call racism isn't.

Why Whites Call People Of Colour "Racist"

I have been called “racist” by White people whenever I specifically reject a legislative, political, media/film/art, or cultural manifestation of White supremacy. I’ve also been called “racist” for...

www.gradientlair.com

Wrong! I insult your culture. I dont care about your race; i care about violence. When the black community fixes is crime problem i wont have any beef, but until then i am going to point out unacceptable behavior.

What culture are you talking about? And when you all speak of the "black community" are you speaking of black neighborhoods or the collective black popuation in the United States?

Im talking about the culture that most black Americans have.

 

[Godboy]

Black racism is not a mirror image of white racism. It is not equal and opposite. Instead it is different in scale and kind:

Blacks lack institutional power. They do not, for the most part, control the banks,

the police,
the courts,
the schools,
the hospitals,
the newspapers,
the film industry,
the fashion industry,
the labour market,
the housing market

and on and on. Instead whites do. So much so that their racism affects rates of black unemployment, income, life expectancy, education, segregation and incarceration. Blacks do not even begin to have that kind of power over whites. If wealth is power, as it largely is in America, then whites as a whole are a hundred times more powerful than blacks (that is double what it was before the Great Recession). Even though we had a president who was black, he could not openly help blacks without being accused of racism.

Internalized racism: The racism among blacks is mostly directed against other blacks, especially against one’s self. Blacks are subject to much of the same racist brainwashing as whites, particularly through television and school. According to one test of racism (the IAT), 42% of blacks are racist in favour of whites!

Blacks understand whites way better than whites understand blacks: Because they have to just to feed their families in a society that is mostly white.

Because they read white books, watch white television, receive white educations, work at white companies, etc. They have to deal with whites. Meantime whites can avoid dealing with blacks or having to take them seriously.

This makes it hard for blacks to stereotype and dehumanize whites to a serious degree.

Blacks have not committed serious injustices that require racist whitewashing.

Blacks do not build their sense of self-worth on looking down on whites.

There is nothing like a black n-word for whites.

There is nothing like the black Klan. Some whites think Black Lives Matter is like that, but they have never gone into white neighbourhoods to spread terror and lynch white people.

Blacks do commit hate crimes and so on, but to think black racism is equal and opposite to white racism is to miss the nature of both white racism and black racism. White racism is institutional and cultural and a hundred times more powerful. Black racism is personal and, to a large degree, is a response or reaction to white racism.

A long-winded rationalization for your own racism, racist trash.

You are the racist, not me.

Fucking liar...You're the biggest goddamned racist on this forum....A racist pussy.

Now go run to the maudes, like the sniveling little pussy bitch that you are.

Show proof of my racism.

Its been done MANY times, yet you keep asking people to prove again.

No it has not been done. What you call racism isn't even racism.

Oh, you're not racist because you are black?

Is that your claim fragile black person?

I'm not racist because I'm not racist. What you guys call racism is me pointing out white racism. That's not racism or racist. There is no belief of my inherent superiority by doing that. You are just a butthurt white punk trying to make up black racism so you can call someone black a racist in order to deny the racism those like you continue practicing.

Why Whites Call People Of Colour "Racist"

I have been called “racist” by White people whenever I specifically reject a legislative, political, media/film/art, or cultural manifestation of White supremacy. I’ve also been called “racist” for...

www.gradientlair.com

Now I understand that you suffer from both amnesia and psychosis but the fact is blacks are looking at a documented behavior that has been consistent from whites for at least 400 years and not your skin color. You guys made some shit up about blacks and judge by skin color using that made up bullshit.

You are the very definition of racist clown. Are you delusional, or just stupid?

Talking about white racism is not racist. You are the delusional one.

I agree talking about it is not, however the way you present your case is TOTALLY racist.

No, the way I present my case in 100 percent accurate. And not taking the racist bullshit from you punks is always going to be the right thing to do. You guys started off calling me a monkey and I have heard just about enough of the n word and all the racist assumptions from you motherfuckers, so you get what you created. It's just like the history of America. Whites like you disrespected people for 243 years and then you cry because the people who keep getting dissed by your bullying decide to give you back what you dish out.

Ive never called you or anyone a monkey, or used the N word in any form. Youve called me all sorts of racist stuff though. You often use the word "white" as part of your insults, and you LOVE calling people "cracker". Youre a racist bro. Just own it.

I have been called a monkey and many other derogatory names by whites in here. And you have made racist insults. White is a race of people. I have used the words you described when such racism is directed at me. I am no racist, what you call racism isn't.

Why Whites Call People Of Colour "Racist"

I have been called “racist” by White people whenever I specifically reject a legislative, political, media/film/art, or cultural manifestation of White supremacy. I’ve also been called “racist” for...

www.gradientlair.com

Wrong! I insult your culture. I dont care about your race; i care about violence. When the black community fixes is crime problem i wont have any beef, but until then i am going to point out unacceptable behavior.

Shut the fuck up and fix the lareger crime problem in the white community.

Our crime is VERY low. Black crime is rampant though.

 

[IM2]

No more than blacks are. Racism is a feeling that you are superior to another person because of their race.

Being AFRAID of a person because of their race doesn't seem racist at all. It is an acknowledgement that blacks commit crimes at a rate far greater than any other racial group.

That's just reality.

So then it's an admission that whites, in general, are AFRAID of blacks, yes?

Note how the subject uses the phrase "seem racist", emphasis on the word "SEEM."

Whites have been afraid of blacks ever since slavery days when they rightfully, in my opinion, lived in fear that their slaves would rise up and kill them while they slept in their beds at night.

When you spend your life violating the basic human rights of another human being and doing everything within your power to oppress them under a doctrine whose falsity can be proven simply by the fact that had any of the things that were done to the slaves had been done to a white person, the white community would have insisted upon swift and fatal justice, it makes sense that you would live in fear of retribution.

A point in case is when whites torched and burned to the ground a community of Tusla, Oklahoma known as the Black Wall Street for the alleged assault of a white girl. All accounts indicated that she had not been assaulted, that she was bumped into by a black teen.

Never in the history of this country have black people been allowed to demand justice in this manner without being charged and convicted of the applicable crimes yet none of the white rioters ever faced justice.

This is the history of the white race in the United States, these types of acts and more, sometimes far more heinous crimes. If you want to view black people through a lens that doesn't include this history and provides no understanding of it, that's a failing on your part and the part of every other racist white person who laments the alleged "racism" of blacks which in most cases is a reaction to the institutional racism that has been practiced in this country against those of us of African descent since it's inception.

In fact many of the members posting on this site crying about their fear of being replaced or of the white race becoming a minority sound as if they fear being treated the way the white race treated black people.

The Tulsa race massacre (also called the Tulsa race riot, the Greenwood Massacre, or the Black Wall Street Massacre) of 1921[9][10][11][12][13][14] took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents attacked black residents and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma.[1] It has been called "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history."[15] The attack, carried out on the ground and from private aircraft, destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the district – at that time the wealthiest black community in the United States, known as "Black Wall Street".

More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals and as many as 6,000 black residents were interned at large facilities, many for several days.[16][17] The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics officially recorded 36 dead, but the American Red Cross declined to provide an estimate. A 2001 state commission examination of events was able to confirm 39 dead, 26 black and 13 white, based on contemporary autopsy reports, death certificates and other records.[1]:114 The commission gave overall estimates from 75–100 to 150–300 dead.[1]:13[1]:23

The massacre began over Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, the 17-year-old white elevator operator of the nearby Drexel Building. He was taken into custody. A subsequent gathering of angry local whites outside the courthouse where Rowland was being held, and the spread of rumors he had been lynched, alarmed the local black population, some of whom arrived at the courthouse armed. Shots were fired and twelve people were killed: ten white and two black.[18] As news of these deaths spread throughout the city, mob violence exploded.[2] White rioters rampaged through the black neighborhood that night and morning killing men and burning and looting stores and homes, and only around noon the next day Oklahoma National Guard troops managed to get control of the situation by declaring martial law. About 10,000 black people were left homeless, and property damage amounted to more than $1.5 million in real estate and $750,000 in personal property (equivalent to $32.25 million in 2019).

Got anything more recent? You know like in the last half century? I can post up thousands of videos of blacks rioting over the last decade.

Were the black people who were rioting arrested & prosecuted? I would bet money that they were and probably contribute to those crime statistics you all like to quote all the time.

None of the white people were arrested with the exception of the sheriff and the general consensus is they arrested him for him refusing to hand over Dick Rowland to the white mob so that they could lynch him. Not a single one of the 2000 white rioters were even arrested let alone prosecuted.

You seriously can't see how these two events differ? And why black people may stil feel a sense of injustice for the pileup of injury upon insult that still continues to this day?

Very, very few of them were. In fact, the mayor of Baltimore pretty much let them go berserk.

I'm really surprised to hear this. I was still living in Los Angeles back in the early '90s when people were rioting over the acquittal of the police officers who beat Rodney King in the State's case against them and the news stations were turning in their video coverage to law enforcement in order to identify the looters and other individuals involved in criminal activity. I also remember being shocked that the people who they arrested were not processed within the required number of hours due to Martial Law having been declared.

I too was in LA during the riots. Virtually none of the rioters were ever prosecuted. The only ones I can recall are those who attacked and caused permanent brain damage to Reginald denny I believe his name was.

The fact is in riots only the slow stupid ones ever get caught.

Why is westvall talking about the LA riots? How about the Keene riot done by whites because they ran out of pumpkins? How about the Morgantown riot, where whites tore the town up after West Virginia won a college football game? I mean these whites like him seem to be oblivious to their own wrong doing and like to pretend they don't happen.

Name all the white riots over the last 25 years.

Actually the more pertinent question would be when and where have a black mob descended upon a white community, rioted and burned that community to the ground, and not a single rioter (criminal) was apprehended and convicted

There is more black on white crime in a year, than all of whiteys attacks on black communities throughout the history of the USA.

That's untrue. Between the 1920's until the civil rights act, there was an average of at least 1 attack per day by a white person on someone black, with thousands of fire bombings included. Maybe you start to read more than Marvel Comics to learn this. Try reading the "Color of Law" by Richard Rothstein or "We Charge Genocide" by William Patterson.

Again, whites commit triple the crime we do on an annual; basis. We don't have to use mathematical formulas to create a fake scenario when we make this claim like you do with your per 100,000 argument. Because that argument rests on a false notion of if blacks had the same population as whites then crime would be 5 times higher, when that would not be the case.

But then again, whites believed drapetomania was an actual sickness and in the 1960's they believed there was no race problem.

You racists ignore the reality of what 5 times more black people would mean. 5 times more blacks in legislative bodies, as attorneys, on police forces, in busi9ness and in corporate management positions. 5 times more black professors and university administrators. 5 times the amount of overall wealth and increased community and economic development. 5 times the home ownership and five times more school funding meaning better educations. Five times more students who can afford post secondary education and 5 times more jobs in the black community. 5 times less unemployment and 5 times less crime. This is where your short sighted punk ass per capita argument fails.

Whites are the most criminal and violent race in this country. Whites organized crime and made it into a corporation that controls cities, state officials as well as national policymakers. You got a white criminal who defrauded people out of money running the country. White men on wall street robbed this nation of trillions of dollars with their bullshit derivatives, mortgage backed securities and credit default swaps. White men robbed the country of trillions with junk bonds and other financial schemes taking peoples hard-earned pensions from them, leaving them broke at retirement with nowhere to go and your punk ass talks about black criminals. Fuck you white boy.

Hmmmm, that last insult you tossed is called racist, dumbass. In all of my insults against you I have never once stooped so low as to mention your race.

That is the purview of racists, and assholes who have lost the argument so descend to their lowest, racist, common denominator.

Thanks for proving what we all know little fragile racist.

Spare me you mention my race all the time. That last insult was me tired of you making racist comments like the one you made:

There is more black on white crime in a year, than all of whiteys attacks on black communities throughout the history of the USA.

This is a racist comment and a mother fucking lie. In 2018 according to the motherfucking Uniform Crime Reports from the Department of Justice, there were 500 black on white incidents. There were over 2,000 hate crime attacks on blacks by whites. And I'm tired of you punk motherfuckers lying like you do. So I said what I did, call me what you want, because there ain't no fragility here bitch, for if you were standing or sitting next to me talking your shit, you'd get a fragile foot stuck up your ass and you would either have to whip my ass or take an ass whipping either way you aren't going to like the experience. But you showed your white fragility by making YOUR comments after newsvine posted each time with accurate incidents and opinions about white violence against blacks.

“White people in North America live in a social environment that protects and insulates them from race-based stress. This insulated environment of racial protection builds white expectations for racial comfort while at the same time lowering the ability to tolerate racial stress, leading to what I refer to as White Fragility. White Fragility is a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves. These moves include the outward display of emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and leaving the stress-inducing situation. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium.”

Dr. Robin DiAngelo

"Because most whites have not been trained to think with complexity about racism, and because it benefits white dominance not to do so, we have a very limited understanding of it (Kumashiro, 2009; LaDuke, 2009). We are th e least likely to see, comprehend, or be invested in validating people of color’s assertions of racism and being honest about their consequences (King, 1991). At the same time, because of white social, economic, and political power within a white dominant culture, whites are the group in the position to legitimize people of color’s assertions of racism.Being in this position engenders a form of racial arrogance, and in this racial arrogance, whites have little compunction about debating the knowledge of people who have thought deeply about race through research, study, peer-reviewed scholarship, deep and on-going critical self-reflection, interracial relationships, and lived experience (Chinnery, 2008). This expertise is often trivialized and countered with simplistic platitudes, such as “people just need to see each other as individuals” or “see each other as humans” or “take personal responsibility.”

White lack of racial humility often leads to declarations of disagreement when in fact the problem is that we do not understand. Whites generally feel free to dismiss informed perspectives rather than have the humility to acknowledge that they are unfamiliar, reflect on them further, seek more information, or sustain a dialogue (DiAngelo & Sensoy, 2009)."

Dr. Robin DiAngelo

“The second key maneuver, which flowed naturally from the first, was to redefine racism itself. Confronted with civil rights headlines depicting unflattering portrayals of KKK rallies and jackbooted sheriffs, white authority transformed those damning images of white supremacy into the sole definition of racism. This simple but wickedly brilliant conceptual and linguistic shift served multiple purposes. First and foremost, it was conscience soothing. The whittling down of racism to sheet-wearing goons allowed a cloud of racial innocence to cover many whites who, although 'resentful of black progress' and determined to ensure that racial inequality remained untouched, could see and project themselves as the 'kind of upstanding white citizen(s)' who were 'positively outraged at the tactics of the Ku Klux Klan". The focus on the Klan also helped to designate racism as an individual aberration rather than something systemic, institutional and pervasive.”
― Carol Anderson, White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide​

 

[IM2]

Black racism is not a mirror image of white racism. It is not equal and opposite. Instead it is different in scale and kind:

Blacks lack institutional power. They do not, for the most part, control the banks,

the police,
the courts,
the schools,
the hospitals,
the newspapers,
the film industry,
the fashion industry,
the labour market,
the housing market

and on and on. Instead whites do. So much so that their racism affects rates of black unemployment, income, life expectancy, education, segregation and incarceration. Blacks do not even begin to have that kind of power over whites. If wealth is power, as it largely is in America, then whites as a whole are a hundred times more powerful than blacks (that is double what it was before the Great Recession). Even though we had a president who was black, he could not openly help blacks without being accused of racism.

Internalized racism: The racism among blacks is mostly directed against other blacks, especially against one’s self. Blacks are subject to much of the same racist brainwashing as whites, particularly through television and school. According to one test of racism (the IAT), 42% of blacks are racist in favour of whites!

Blacks understand whites way better than whites understand blacks: Because they have to just to feed their families in a society that is mostly white.

Because they read white books, watch white television, receive white educations, work at white companies, etc. They have to deal with whites. Meantime whites can avoid dealing with blacks or having to take them seriously.

This makes it hard for blacks to stereotype and dehumanize whites to a serious degree.

Blacks have not committed serious injustices that require racist whitewashing.

Blacks do not build their sense of self-worth on looking down on whites.

There is nothing like a black n-word for whites.

There is nothing like the black Klan. Some whites think Black Lives Matter is like that, but they have never gone into white neighbourhoods to spread terror and lynch white people.

Blacks do commit hate crimes and so on, but to think black racism is equal and opposite to white racism is to miss the nature of both white racism and black racism. White racism is institutional and cultural and a hundred times more powerful. Black racism is personal and, to a large degree, is a response or reaction to white racism.

A long-winded rationalization for your own racism, racist trash.

You are the racist, not me.

Fucking liar...You're the biggest goddamned racist on this forum....A racist pussy.

Now go run to the maudes, like the sniveling little pussy bitch that you are.

Show proof of my racism.

Its been done MANY times, yet you keep asking people to prove again.

No it has not been done. What you call racism isn't even racism.

Oh, you're not racist because you are black?

Is that your claim fragile black person?

I'm not racist because I'm not racist. What you guys call racism is me pointing out white racism. That's not racism or racist. There is no belief of my inherent superiority by doing that. You are just a butthurt white punk trying to make up black racism so you can call someone black a racist in order to deny the racism those like you continue practicing.

Why Whites Call People Of Colour "Racist"

I have been called “racist” by White people whenever I specifically reject a legislative, political, media/film/art, or cultural manifestation of White supremacy. I’ve also been called “racist” for...

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Now I understand that you suffer from both amnesia and psychosis but the fact is blacks are looking at a documented behavior that has been consistent from whites for at least 400 years and not your skin color. You guys made some shit up about blacks and judge by skin color using that made up bullshit.

You are the very definition of racist clown. Are you delusional, or just stupid?

Talking about white racism is not racist. You are the delusional one.

I agree talking about it is not, however the way you present your case is TOTALLY racist.

No, the way I present my case in 100 percent accurate. And not taking the racist bullshit from you punks is always going to be the right thing to do. You guys started off calling me a monkey and I have heard just about enough of the n word and all the racist assumptions from you motherfuckers, so you get what you created. It's just like the history of America. Whites like you disrespected people for 243 years and then you cry because the people who keep getting dissed by your bullying decide to give you back what you dish out.

Ive never called you or anyone a monkey, or used the N word in any form. Youve called me all sorts of racist stuff though. You often use the word "white" as part of your insults, and you LOVE calling people "cracker". Youre a racist bro. Just own it.

I have been called a monkey and many other derogatory names by whites in here. And you have made racist insults. White is a race of people. I have used the words you described when such racism is directed at me. I am no racist, what you call racism isn't.

Why Whites Call People Of Colour "Racist"

I have been called “racist” by White people whenever I specifically reject a legislative, political, media/film/art, or cultural manifestation of White supremacy. I’ve also been called “racist” for...

www.gradientlair.com

Wrong! I insult your culture. I dont care about your race; i care about violence. When the black community fixes is crime problem i wont have any beef, but until then i am going to point out unacceptable behavior.

Shut the fuck up and fix the lareger crime problem in the white community.

Our crime is VERY low. Black crime is rampant though.

Your crime is about three times the amount of ours.

 

[IM2]

Black racism is not a mirror image of white racism. It is not equal and opposite. Instead it is different in scale and kind:

Blacks lack institutional power. They do not, for the most part, control the banks,

the police,
the courts,
the schools,
the hospitals,
the newspapers,
the film industry,
the fashion industry,
the labour market,
the housing market

and on and on. Instead whites do. So much so that their racism affects rates of black unemployment, income, life expectancy, education, segregation and incarceration. Blacks do not even begin to have that kind of power over whites. If wealth is power, as it largely is in America, then whites as a whole are a hundred times more powerful than blacks (that is double what it was before the Great Recession). Even though we had a president who was black, he could not openly help blacks without being accused of racism.

Internalized racism: The racism among blacks is mostly directed against other blacks, especially against one’s self. Blacks are subject to much of the same racist brainwashing as whites, particularly through television and school. According to one test of racism (the IAT), 42% of blacks are racist in favour of whites!

Blacks understand whites way better than whites understand blacks: Because they have to just to feed their families in a society that is mostly white.

Because they read white books, watch white television, receive white educations, work at white companies, etc. They have to deal with whites. Meantime whites can avoid dealing with blacks or having to take them seriously.

This makes it hard for blacks to stereotype and dehumanize whites to a serious degree.

Blacks have not committed serious injustices that require racist whitewashing.

Blacks do not build their sense of self-worth on looking down on whites.

There is nothing like a black n-word for whites.

There is nothing like the black Klan. Some whites think Black Lives Matter is like that, but they have never gone into white neighbourhoods to spread terror and lynch white people.

Blacks do commit hate crimes and so on, but to think black racism is equal and opposite to white racism is to miss the nature of both white racism and black racism. White racism is institutional and cultural and a hundred times more powerful. Black racism is personal and, to a large degree, is a response or reaction to white racism.

A long-winded rationalization for your own racism, racist trash.

You are the racist, not me.

Fucking liar...You're the biggest goddamned racist on this forum....A racist pussy.

Now go run to the maudes, like the sniveling little pussy bitch that you are.

Show proof of my racism.

Its been done MANY times, yet you keep asking people to prove again.

No it has not been done. What you call racism isn't even racism.

Oh, you're not racist because you are black?

Is that your claim fragile black person?

I'm not racist because I'm not racist. What you guys call racism is me pointing out white racism. That's not racism or racist. There is no belief of my inherent superiority by doing that. You are just a butthurt white punk trying to make up black racism so you can call someone black a racist in order to deny the racism those like you continue practicing.

Why Whites Call People Of Colour "Racist"

I have been called “racist” by White people whenever I specifically reject a legislative, political, media/film/art, or cultural manifestation of White supremacy. I’ve also been called “racist” for...

www.gradientlair.com

Now I understand that you suffer from both amnesia and psychosis but the fact is blacks are looking at a documented behavior that has been consistent from whites for at least 400 years and not your skin color. You guys made some shit up about blacks and judge by skin color using that made up bullshit.

You are the very definition of racist clown. Are you delusional, or just stupid?

Talking about white racism is not racist. You are the delusional one.

I agree talking about it is not, however the way you present your case is TOTALLY racist.

No, the way I present my case in 100 percent accurate. And not taking the racist bullshit from you punks is always going to be the right thing to do. You guys started off calling me a monkey and I have heard just about enough of the n word and all the racist assumptions from you motherfuckers, so you get what you created. It's just like the history of America. Whites like you disrespected people for 243 years and then you cry because the people who keep getting dissed by your bullying decide to give you back what you dish out.

Ive never called you or anyone a monkey, or used the N word in any form. Youve called me all sorts of racist stuff though. You often use the word "white" as part of your insults, and you LOVE calling people "cracker". Youre a racist bro. Just own it.

I have been called a monkey and many other derogatory names by whites in here. And you have made racist insults. White is a race of people. I have used the words you described when such racism is directed at me. I am no racist, what you call racism isn't.

Why Whites Call People Of Colour "Racist"

I have been called “racist” by White people whenever I specifically reject a legislative, political, media/film/art, or cultural manifestation of White supremacy. I’ve also been called “racist” for...

www.gradientlair.com

Wrong! I insult your culture. I dont care about your race; i care about violence. When the black community fixes is crime problem i wont have any beef, but until then i am going to point out unacceptable behavior.

What culture are you talking about? And when you all speak of the "black community" are you speaking of black neighborhoods or the collective black popuation in the United States?

Im talking about the culture that most black Americans have.

No, you are talking about some made up culture created by racist maggots like you.

 

[westwall]

No more than blacks are. Racism is a feeling that you are superior to another person because of their race.

Being AFRAID of a person because of their race doesn't seem racist at all. It is an acknowledgement that blacks commit crimes at a rate far greater than any other racial group.

That's just reality.

So then it's an admission that whites, in general, are AFRAID of blacks, yes?

Note how the subject uses the phrase "seem racist", emphasis on the word "SEEM."

Whites have been afraid of blacks ever since slavery days when they rightfully, in my opinion, lived in fear that their slaves would rise up and kill them while they slept in their beds at night.

When you spend your life violating the basic human rights of another human being and doing everything within your power to oppress them under a doctrine whose falsity can be proven simply by the fact that had any of the things that were done to the slaves had been done to a white person, the white community would have insisted upon swift and fatal justice, it makes sense that you would live in fear of retribution.

A point in case is when whites torched and burned to the ground a community of Tusla, Oklahoma known as the Black Wall Street for the alleged assault of a white girl. All accounts indicated that she had not been assaulted, that she was bumped into by a black teen.

Never in the history of this country have black people been allowed to demand justice in this manner without being charged and convicted of the applicable crimes yet none of the white rioters ever faced justice.

This is the history of the white race in the United States, these types of acts and more, sometimes far more heinous crimes. If you want to view black people through a lens that doesn't include this history and provides no understanding of it, that's a failing on your part and the part of every other racist white person who laments the alleged "racism" of blacks which in most cases is a reaction to the institutional racism that has been practiced in this country against those of us of African descent since it's inception.

In fact many of the members posting on this site crying about their fear of being replaced or of the white race becoming a minority sound as if they fear being treated the way the white race treated black people.

The Tulsa race massacre (also called the Tulsa race riot, the Greenwood Massacre, or the Black Wall Street Massacre) of 1921[9][10][11][12][13][14] took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents attacked black residents and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma.[1] It has been called "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history."[15] The attack, carried out on the ground and from private aircraft, destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the district – at that time the wealthiest black community in the United States, known as "Black Wall Street".

More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals and as many as 6,000 black residents were interned at large facilities, many for several days.[16][17] The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics officially recorded 36 dead, but the American Red Cross declined to provide an estimate. A 2001 state commission examination of events was able to confirm 39 dead, 26 black and 13 white, based on contemporary autopsy reports, death certificates and other records.[1]:114 The commission gave overall estimates from 75–100 to 150–300 dead.[1]:13[1]:23

The massacre began over Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, the 17-year-old white elevator operator of the nearby Drexel Building. He was taken into custody. A subsequent gathering of angry local whites outside the courthouse where Rowland was being held, and the spread of rumors he had been lynched, alarmed the local black population, some of whom arrived at the courthouse armed. Shots were fired and twelve people were killed: ten white and two black.[18] As news of these deaths spread throughout the city, mob violence exploded.[2] White rioters rampaged through the black neighborhood that night and morning killing men and burning and looting stores and homes, and only around noon the next day Oklahoma National Guard troops managed to get control of the situation by declaring martial law. About 10,000 black people were left homeless, and property damage amounted to more than $1.5 million in real estate and $750,000 in personal property (equivalent to $32.25 million in 2019).

Got anything more recent? You know like in the last half century? I can post up thousands of videos of blacks rioting over the last decade.

Were the black people who were rioting arrested & prosecuted? I would bet money that they were and probably contribute to those crime statistics you all like to quote all the time.

None of the white people were arrested with the exception of the sheriff and the general consensus is they arrested him for him refusing to hand over Dick Rowland to the white mob so that they could lynch him. Not a single one of the 2000 white rioters were even arrested let alone prosecuted.

You seriously can't see how these two events differ? And why black people may stil feel a sense of injustice for the pileup of injury upon insult that still continues to this day?

Very, very few of them were. In fact, the mayor of Baltimore pretty much let them go berserk.

I'm really surprised to hear this. I was still living in Los Angeles back in the early '90s when people were rioting over the acquittal of the police officers who beat Rodney King in the State's case against them and the news stations were turning in their video coverage to law enforcement in order to identify the looters and other individuals involved in criminal activity. I also remember being shocked that the people who they arrested were not processed within the required number of hours due to Martial Law having been declared.

I too was in LA during the riots. Virtually none of the rioters were ever prosecuted. The only ones I can recall are those who attacked and caused permanent brain damage to Reginald denny I believe his name was.

The fact is in riots only the slow stupid ones ever get caught.

Why is westvall talking about the LA riots? How about the Keene riot done by whites because they ran out of pumpkins? How about the Morgantown riot, where whites tore the town up after West Virginia won a college football game? I mean these whites like him seem to be oblivious to their own wrong doing and like to pretend they don't happen.

Name all the white riots over the last 25 years.

Actually the more pertinent question would be when and where have a black mob descended upon a white community, rioted and burned that community to the ground, and not a single rioter (criminal) was apprehended and convicted

There is more black on white crime in a year, than all of whiteys attacks on black communities throughout the history of the USA.

That's untrue. Between the 1920's until the civil rights act, there was an average of at least 1 attack per day by a white person on someone black, with thousands of fire bombings included. Maybe you start to read more than Marvel Comics to learn this. Try reading the "Color of Law" by Richard Rothstein or "We Charge Genocide" by William Patterson.

Again, whites commit triple the crime we do on an annual; basis. We don't have to use mathematical formulas to create a fake scenario when we make this claim like you do with your per 100,000 argument. Because that argument rests on a false notion of if blacks had the same population as whites then crime would be 5 times higher, when that would not be the case.

But then again, whites believed drapetomania was an actual sickness and in the 1960's they believed there was no race problem.

You racists ignore the reality of what 5 times more black people would mean. 5 times more blacks in legislative bodies, as attorneys, on police forces, in busi9ness and in corporate management positions. 5 times more black professors and university administrators. 5 times the amount of overall wealth and increased community and economic development. 5 times the home ownership and five times more school funding meaning better educations. Five times more students who can afford post secondary education and 5 times more jobs in the black community. 5 times less unemployment and 5 times less crime. This is where your short sighted punk ass per capita argument fails.

Whites are the most criminal and violent race in this country. Whites organized crime and made it into a corporation that controls cities, state officials as well as national policymakers. You got a white criminal who defrauded people out of money running the country. White men on wall street robbed this nation of trillions of dollars with their bullshit derivatives, mortgage backed securities and credit default swaps. White men robbed the country of trillions with junk bonds and other financial schemes taking peoples hard-earned pensions from them, leaving them broke at retirement with nowhere to go and your punk ass talks about black criminals. Fuck you white boy.

Hmmmm, that last insult you tossed is called racist, dumbass. In all of my insults against you I have never once stooped so low as to mention your race.

That is the purview of racists, and assholes who have lost the argument so descend to their lowest, racist, common denominator.

Thanks for proving what we all know little fragile racist.

Spare me you mention my race all the time. That last insult was me tired of you making racist comments like the one you made:

There is more black on white crime in a year, than all of whiteys attacks on black communities throughout the history of the USA.

This is a racist comment and a mother fucking lie. In 2018 according to the motherfucking Uniform Crime Reports from the Department of Justice, there were 500 black on white incidents. There were over 2,000 hate crime attacks on blacks by whites. And I'm tired of you punk motherfuckers lying like you do. So I said what I did, call me what you want, because there ain't no fragility here bitch, for if you were standing or sitting next to me talking your shit, you'd get a fragile foot stuck up your ass and you would either have to whip my ass or take an ass whipping either way you aren't going to like the experience. But you showed your white fragility by making YOUR comments after newsvine posted each time with accurate incidents and opinions about white violence against blacks.

“White people in North America live in a social environment that protects and insulates them from race-based stress. This insulated environment of racial protection builds white expectations for racial comfort while at the same time lowering the ability to tolerate racial stress, leading to what I refer to as White Fragility. White Fragility is a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves. These moves include the outward display of emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and leaving the stress-inducing situation. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium.”

Dr. Robin DiAngelo

"Because most whites have not been trained to think with complexity about racism, and because it benefits white dominance not to do so, we have a very limited understanding of it (Kumashiro, 2009; LaDuke, 2009). We are th e least likely to see, comprehend, or be invested in validating people of color’s assertions of racism and being honest about their consequences (King, 1991). At the same time, because of white social, economic, and political power within a white dominant culture, whites are the group in the position to legitimize people of color’s assertions of racism.Being in this position engenders a form of racial arrogance, and in this racial arrogance, whites have little compunction about debating the knowledge of people who have thought deeply about race through research, study, peer-reviewed scholarship, deep and on-going critical self-reflection, interracial relationships, and lived experience (Chinnery, 2008). This expertise is often trivialized and countered with simplistic platitudes, such as “people just need to see each other as individuals” or “see each other as humans” or “take personal responsibility.”

White lack of racial humility often leads to declarations of disagreement when in fact the problem is that we do not understand. Whites generally feel free to dismiss informed perspectives rather than have the humility to acknowledge that they are unfamiliar, reflect on them further, seek more information, or sustain a dialogue (DiAngelo & Sensoy, 2009)."

Dr. Robin DiAngelo

“The second key maneuver, which flowed naturally from the first, was to redefine racism itself. Confronted with civil rights headlines depicting unflattering portrayals of KKK rallies and jackbooted sheriffs, white authority transformed those damning images of white supremacy into the sole definition of racism. This simple but wickedly brilliant conceptual and linguistic shift served multiple purposes. First and foremost, it was conscience soothing. The whittling down of racism to sheet-wearing goons allowed a cloud of racial innocence to cover many whites who, although 'resentful of black progress' and determined to ensure that racial inequality remained untouched, could see and project themselves as the 'kind of upstanding white citizen(s)' who were 'positively outraged at the tactics of the Ku Klux Klan". The focus on the Klan also helped to designate racism as an individual aberration rather than something systemic, institutional and pervasive.”
― Carol Anderson, White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide​

Spare you? From what? Hurting your fragile widdle ego?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

No more than blacks are. Racism is a feeling that you are superior to another person because of their race.

Being AFRAID of a person because of their race doesn't seem racist at all. It is an acknowledgement that blacks commit crimes at a rate far greater than any other racial group.

That's just reality.

So then it's an admission that whites, in general, are AFRAID of blacks, yes?

Note how the subject uses the phrase "seem racist", emphasis on the word "SEEM."

Whites have been afraid of blacks ever since slavery days when they rightfully, in my opinion, lived in fear that their slaves would rise up and kill them while they slept in their beds at night.

When you spend your life violating the basic human rights of another human being and doing everything within your power to oppress them under a doctrine whose falsity can be proven simply by the fact that had any of the things that were done to the slaves had been done to a white person, the white community would have insisted upon swift and fatal justice, it makes sense that you would live in fear of retribution.

A point in case is when whites torched and burned to the ground a community of Tusla, Oklahoma known as the Black Wall Street for the alleged assault of a white girl. All accounts indicated that she had not been assaulted, that she was bumped into by a black teen.

Never in the history of this country have black people been allowed to demand justice in this manner without being charged and convicted of the applicable crimes yet none of the white rioters ever faced justice.

This is the history of the white race in the United States, these types of acts and more, sometimes far more heinous crimes. If you want to view black people through a lens that doesn't include this history and provides no understanding of it, that's a failing on your part and the part of every other racist white person who laments the alleged "racism" of blacks which in most cases is a reaction to the institutional racism that has been practiced in this country against those of us of African descent since it's inception.

In fact many of the members posting on this site crying about their fear of being replaced or of the white race becoming a minority sound as if they fear being treated the way the white race treated black people.

The Tulsa race massacre (also called the Tulsa race riot, the Greenwood Massacre, or the Black Wall Street Massacre) of 1921[9][10][11][12][13][14] took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents attacked black residents and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma.[1] It has been called "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history."[15] The attack, carried out on the ground and from private aircraft, destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the district – at that time the wealthiest black community in the United States, known as "Black Wall Street".

More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals and as many as 6,000 black residents were interned at large facilities, many for several days.[16][17] The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics officially recorded 36 dead, but the American Red Cross declined to provide an estimate. A 2001 state commission examination of events was able to confirm 39 dead, 26 black and 13 white, based on contemporary autopsy reports, death certificates and other records.[1]:114 The commission gave overall estimates from 75–100 to 150–300 dead.[1]:13[1]:23

The massacre began over Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, the 17-year-old white elevator operator of the nearby Drexel Building. He was taken into custody. A subsequent gathering of angry local whites outside the courthouse where Rowland was being held, and the spread of rumors he had been lynched, alarmed the local black population, some of whom arrived at the courthouse armed. Shots were fired and twelve people were killed: ten white and two black.[18] As news of these deaths spread throughout the city, mob violence exploded.[2] White rioters rampaged through the black neighborhood that night and morning killing men and burning and looting stores and homes, and only around noon the next day Oklahoma National Guard troops managed to get control of the situation by declaring martial law. About 10,000 black people were left homeless, and property damage amounted to more than $1.5 million in real estate and $750,000 in personal property (equivalent to $32.25 million in 2019).

Got anything more recent? You know like in the last half century? I can post up thousands of videos of blacks rioting over the last decade.

Were the black people who were rioting arrested & prosecuted? I would bet money that they were and probably contribute to those crime statistics you all like to quote all the time.

None of the white people were arrested with the exception of the sheriff and the general consensus is they arrested him for him refusing to hand over Dick Rowland to the white mob so that they could lynch him. Not a single one of the 2000 white rioters were even arrested let alone prosecuted.

You seriously can't see how these two events differ? And why black people may stil feel a sense of injustice for the pileup of injury upon insult that still continues to this day?

Very, very few of them were. In fact, the mayor of Baltimore pretty much let them go berserk.

I'm really surprised to hear this. I was still living in Los Angeles back in the early '90s when people were rioting over the acquittal of the police officers who beat Rodney King in the State's case against them and the news stations were turning in their video coverage to law enforcement in order to identify the looters and other individuals involved in criminal activity. I also remember being shocked that the people who they arrested were not processed within the required number of hours due to Martial Law having been declared.

I too was in LA during the riots. Virtually none of the rioters were ever prosecuted. The only ones I can recall are those who attacked and caused permanent brain damage to Reginald denny I believe his name was.

The fact is in riots only the slow stupid ones ever get caught.

Why is westvall talking about the LA riots? How about the Keene riot done by whites because they ran out of pumpkins? How about the Morgantown riot, where whites tore the town up after West Virginia won a college football game? I mean these whites like him seem to be oblivious to their own wrong doing and like to pretend they don't happen.

Name all the white riots over the last 25 years.

Actually the more pertinent question would be when and where have a black mob descended upon a white community, rioted and burned that community to the ground, and not a single rioter (criminal) was apprehended and convicted

There is more black on white crime in a year, than all of whiteys attacks on black communities throughout the history of the USA.

That's untrue. Between the 1920's until the civil rights act, there was an average of at least 1 attack per day by a white person on someone black, with thousands of fire bombings included. Maybe you start to read more than Marvel Comics to learn this. Try reading the "Color of Law" by Richard Rothstein or "We Charge Genocide" by William Patterson.

Again, whites commit triple the crime we do on an annual; basis. We don't have to use mathematical formulas to create a fake scenario when we make this claim like you do with your per 100,000 argument. Because that argument rests on a false notion of if blacks had the same population as whites then crime would be 5 times higher, when that would not be the case.

But then again, whites believed drapetomania was an actual sickness and in the 1960's they believed there was no race problem.

You racists ignore the reality of what 5 times more black people would mean. 5 times more blacks in legislative bodies, as attorneys, on police forces, in busi9ness and in corporate management positions. 5 times more black professors and university administrators. 5 times the amount of overall wealth and increased community and economic development. 5 times the home ownership and five times more school funding meaning better educations. Five times more students who can afford post secondary education and 5 times more jobs in the black community. 5 times less unemployment and 5 times less crime. This is where your short sighted punk ass per capita argument fails.

Whites are the most criminal and violent race in this country. Whites organized crime and made it into a corporation that controls cities, state officials as well as national policymakers. You got a white criminal who defrauded people out of money running the country. White men on wall street robbed this nation of trillions of dollars with their bullshit derivatives, mortgage backed securities and credit default swaps. White men robbed the country of trillions with junk bonds and other financial schemes taking peoples hard-earned pensions from them, leaving them broke at retirement with nowhere to go and your punk ass talks about black criminals. Fuck you white boy.

To add to your comment IM2, I believe the FBI didn't begin collecting crime statistics until 1929 and the Tulsa race riots, having occured in 1921 therefore would not have been included in the "crime statistics".

On top of that, in the 99 years between the end of slavery in 1865 up to the landmark SCOTUS Brown vs Board of Education in 1954 which ruled that the Jim Crow doctrine of "separate but equal" is not constitutional and culminating with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, black people were "legislatively" relegated to second class citizenship with a Suprem Court Justice actually stating in his ruling that "a black man had no rights that a white man was bound to respect".

I honestly don't understand how any person of at least average intelligence is unable to comprehend the injustice that is inherent in a system of this nature. Or why animus displayed against those individuals who are actively engaging in oppressive, threatening, harassing and/or discriminatory behavior is not the same as the racism that white racists exhibit towards black people and others.

Getting back to the point though, for the longest time, crimes could be committed against black people with impunity and they were not even considered crimes, let alone reported, investigated, prosecuted, etc. so those incidents also never made it into the FBI's criminal statistics database. Then there an entire set of laws that were created and applied ONLY to black people, such as the original gun control laws passed in the U.S. which were enacted in order to prevent blacks from lawfully taking up arms to defend their families, property or lives against the Ku Klux Klan. Imagine that you're living under constant threat and the best source of defense, a firearm is denied to you, due to your race. Your only options are to go without the best means of defense and possibly lose your life or not being able to at least try to defend your loved ones or to obtain a firearm illegally and risk the loss of your freedom, leaving your family defenseless anyone, or even worse. Or even worse you could end up killed because armed blacks were and still are viewed as an inherent threat. What do you think all of this that does to skew the criminal statistics?

 

[IM2]

No more than blacks are. Racism is a feeling that you are superior to another person because of their race.

Being AFRAID of a person because of their race doesn't seem racist at all. It is an acknowledgement that blacks commit crimes at a rate far greater than any other racial group.

That's just reality.

So then it's an admission that whites, in general, are AFRAID of blacks, yes?

Note how the subject uses the phrase "seem racist", emphasis on the word "SEEM."

Whites have been afraid of blacks ever since slavery days when they rightfully, in my opinion, lived in fear that their slaves would rise up and kill them while they slept in their beds at night.

When you spend your life violating the basic human rights of another human being and doing everything within your power to oppress them under a doctrine whose falsity can be proven simply by the fact that had any of the things that were done to the slaves had been done to a white person, the white community would have insisted upon swift and fatal justice, it makes sense that you would live in fear of retribution.

A point in case is when whites torched and burned to the ground a community of Tusla, Oklahoma known as the Black Wall Street for the alleged assault of a white girl. All accounts indicated that she had not been assaulted, that she was bumped into by a black teen.

Never in the history of this country have black people been allowed to demand justice in this manner without being charged and convicted of the applicable crimes yet none of the white rioters ever faced justice.

This is the history of the white race in the United States, these types of acts and more, sometimes far more heinous crimes. If you want to view black people through a lens that doesn't include this history and provides no understanding of it, that's a failing on your part and the part of every other racist white person who laments the alleged "racism" of blacks which in most cases is a reaction to the institutional racism that has been practiced in this country against those of us of African descent since it's inception.

In fact many of the members posting on this site crying about their fear of being replaced or of the white race becoming a minority sound as if they fear being treated the way the white race treated black people.

The Tulsa race massacre (also called the Tulsa race riot, the Greenwood Massacre, or the Black Wall Street Massacre) of 1921[9][10][11][12][13][14] took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents attacked black residents and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma.[1] It has been called "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history."[15] The attack, carried out on the ground and from private aircraft, destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the district – at that time the wealthiest black community in the United States, known as "Black Wall Street".

More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals and as many as 6,000 black residents were interned at large facilities, many for several days.[16][17] The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics officially recorded 36 dead, but the American Red Cross declined to provide an estimate. A 2001 state commission examination of events was able to confirm 39 dead, 26 black and 13 white, based on contemporary autopsy reports, death certificates and other records.[1]:114 The commission gave overall estimates from 75–100 to 150–300 dead.[1]:13[1]:23

The massacre began over Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, the 17-year-old white elevator operator of the nearby Drexel Building. He was taken into custody. A subsequent gathering of angry local whites outside the courthouse where Rowland was being held, and the spread of rumors he had been lynched, alarmed the local black population, some of whom arrived at the courthouse armed. Shots were fired and twelve people were killed: ten white and two black.[18] As news of these deaths spread throughout the city, mob violence exploded.[2] White rioters rampaged through the black neighborhood that night and morning killing men and burning and looting stores and homes, and only around noon the next day Oklahoma National Guard troops managed to get control of the situation by declaring martial law. About 10,000 black people were left homeless, and property damage amounted to more than $1.5 million in real estate and $750,000 in personal property (equivalent to $32.25 million in 2019).

Got anything more recent? You know like in the last half century? I can post up thousands of videos of blacks rioting over the last decade.

Were the black people who were rioting arrested & prosecuted? I would bet money that they were and probably contribute to those crime statistics you all like to quote all the time.

None of the white people were arrested with the exception of the sheriff and the general consensus is they arrested him for him refusing to hand over Dick Rowland to the white mob so that they could lynch him. Not a single one of the 2000 white rioters were even arrested let alone prosecuted.

You seriously can't see how these two events differ? And why black people may stil feel a sense of injustice for the pileup of injury upon insult that still continues to this day?

Very, very few of them were. In fact, the mayor of Baltimore pretty much let them go berserk.

I'm really surprised to hear this. I was still living in Los Angeles back in the early '90s when people were rioting over the acquittal of the police officers who beat Rodney King in the State's case against them and the news stations were turning in their video coverage to law enforcement in order to identify the looters and other individuals involved in criminal activity. I also remember being shocked that the people who they arrested were not processed within the required number of hours due to Martial Law having been declared.

I too was in LA during the riots. Virtually none of the rioters were ever prosecuted. The only ones I can recall are those who attacked and caused permanent brain damage to Reginald denny I believe his name was.

The fact is in riots only the slow stupid ones ever get caught.

Why is westvall talking about the LA riots? How about the Keene riot done by whites because they ran out of pumpkins? How about the Morgantown riot, where whites tore the town up after West Virginia won a college football game? I mean these whites like him seem to be oblivious to their own wrong doing and like to pretend they don't happen.

Name all the white riots over the last 25 years.

Actually the more pertinent question would be when and where have a black mob descended upon a white community, rioted and burned that community to the ground, and not a single rioter (criminal) was apprehended and convicted

There is more black on white crime in a year, than all of whiteys attacks on black communities throughout the history of the USA.

That's untrue. Between the 1920's until the civil rights act, there was an average of at least 1 attack per day by a white person on someone black, with thousands of fire bombings included. Maybe you start to read more than Marvel Comics to learn this. Try reading the "Color of Law" by Richard Rothstein or "We Charge Genocide" by William Patterson.

Again, whites commit triple the crime we do on an annual; basis. We don't have to use mathematical formulas to create a fake scenario when we make this claim like you do with your per 100,000 argument. Because that argument rests on a false notion of if blacks had the same population as whites then crime would be 5 times higher, when that would not be the case.

But then again, whites believed drapetomania was an actual sickness and in the 1960's they believed there was no race problem.

You racists ignore the reality of what 5 times more black people would mean. 5 times more blacks in legislative bodies, as attorneys, on police forces, in busi9ness and in corporate management positions. 5 times more black professors and university administrators. 5 times the amount of overall wealth and increased community and economic development. 5 times the home ownership and five times more school funding meaning better educations. Five times more students who can afford post secondary education and 5 times more jobs in the black community. 5 times less unemployment and 5 times less crime. This is where your short sighted punk ass per capita argument fails.

Whites are the most criminal and violent race in this country. Whites organized crime and made it into a corporation that controls cities, state officials as well as national policymakers. You got a white criminal who defrauded people out of money running the country. White men on wall street robbed this nation of trillions of dollars with their bullshit derivatives, mortgage backed securities and credit default swaps. White men robbed the country of trillions with junk bonds and other financial schemes taking peoples hard-earned pensions from them, leaving them broke at retirement with nowhere to go and your punk ass talks about black criminals. Fuck you white boy.

To add to your comment IM2, I believe the FBI didn't begin collecting crime statistics until 1929 and the Tulsa race riots, having occured in 1921 therefore would not have been included in the "crime statistics".

On top of that, in the 99 years between the end of slavery in 1865 up to the landmark SCOTUS Brown vs Board of Education in 1954 which ruled that the Jim Crow doctrine of "separate but equal" is not constitutional and culminating with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, black people were "legislatively" relegated to second class citizenship with a Suprem Court Justice actually stating in his ruling that "a black man had no rights that a white man was bound to respect".

I honestly don't understand how any person of at least average intelligence is unable to comprehend the injustice that is inherent in a system of this nature. Or why animus displayed against those individuals who are actively engaging in oppressive, threatening, harassing and/or discriminatory behavior is not the same as the racism that white racists exhibit towards black people and others.

We both know that whites have a history of promises made promises broken. Some will make themselves believe anything then speak the lie like we are just supposed to accept it. westvall and the majority of whites here practice aversive racism.

Aversive racism is a form of racism practiced today which might as well be called subtle racism. People who are aversive racists claim to be non racist while at the same time expressing negative feelings and beliefs about members of other races. It has also been called colorblind racism. However, since that term confuses some whites because they cannot understand why we can say they are colorblind and still be racist, we’ll stick with the term aversive racism. Regardless of its “subtlety”, aversive racism has resulted in significant and harmful consequences that basically mirror the effects of overt racism. These significant and harmful consequences are called entitlement reform, immigration, welfare reform, voter fraud and many other things that are actually policies designed to take away things from non-whites. “I’m colorblind and if you talk about racism, you are the racist”.

And you see this here every day. westvalls posts are fine examples of it.

 

[flacaltenn]

Black racism is not a mirror image of white racism. It is not equal and opposite. Instead it is different in scale and kind:

Blacks lack institutional power. They do not, for the most part, control the banks,

the police,
the courts,
the schools,
the hospitals,
the newspapers,
the film industry,
the fashion industry,
the labour market,
the housing market

and on and on. Instead whites do. So much so that their racism affects rates of black unemployment, income, life expectancy, education, segregation and incarceration. Blacks do not even begin to have that kind of power over whites. If wealth is power, as it largely is in America, then whites as a whole are a hundred times more powerful than blacks (that is double what it was before the Great Recession). Even though we had a president who was black, he could not openly help blacks without being accused of racism.

Internalized racism: The racism among blacks is mostly directed against other blacks, especially against one’s self. Blacks are subject to much of the same racist brainwashing as whites, particularly through television and school. According to one test of racism (the IAT), 42% of blacks are racist in favour of whites!

Blacks understand whites way better than whites understand blacks: Because they have to just to feed their families in a society that is mostly white.

Because they read white books, watch white television, receive white educations, work at white companies, etc. They have to deal with whites. Meantime whites can avoid dealing with blacks or having to take them seriously.

This makes it hard for blacks to stereotype and dehumanize whites to a serious degree.

Blacks have not committed serious injustices that require racist whitewashing.

Blacks do not build their sense of self-worth on looking down on whites.

There is nothing like a black n-word for whites.

There is nothing like the black Klan. Some whites think Black Lives Matter is like that, but they have never gone into white neighbourhoods to spread terror and lynch white people.

Blacks do commit hate crimes and so on, but to think black racism is equal and opposite to white racism is to miss the nature of both white racism and black racism. White racism is institutional and cultural and a hundred times more powerful. Black racism is personal and, to a large degree, is a response or reaction to white racism.

There ARE NO blacks in ANY of those institutions?? No places where those industries are in fact OVER represented by blacks??? In that LAST CASE -- does the blight of urban blacks IMPROVE, STAY THE SAME or degrade???

 

[flacaltenn]

Blacks lack institutional power. They do not, for the most part, control the banks,

the police,
the courts,
the schools,
the hospitals,
the newspapers,
the film industry,
the fashion industry,
the labour market,
the housing market

Of course.. What a shame.. EVERYBODY knows the JEWS control all those things...

 

[flacaltenn]

Racism is racism. And racism is really just an ugly form of collectivism.

This makes absolutely no sense.

And you know it.

So why do you state it?

I think because a lot people are convinced that most of the allegations of racism are based on political differences.. It's clear from the black representation on USMB that this is the case... We look at individualism, RISK, and the role of govt completely differently BECAUSE of politics, not race...

 

[The Irish Ram]

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < white people in America. 72.4%
bbbbbbbbbbbb < black people in America. 12.6%
IM2, you live in a white world. It is why there is white tv and white police and white hospitals etc here.

There are black worlds:
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb < black people in Africa 76.4%
wwwwwwwww < white people in Africa 9.1

There you would live in a black world. There is black tv, and black police etc there.
You will find racism in both worlds, but if you can't stand it in a white world, why wouldn't you opt for a more comfortable % of like minded people who share your complexion and view points?
I hate it that you are consumed daily by the despair of inequality and unfairness you feel you experience here. I am reminded of the profound effect going to Africa had on Richard Pryor. Maybe that is your answer for peace and happiness.

 

[IM2]

Black racism is not a mirror image of white racism. It is not equal and opposite. Instead it is different in scale and kind:

Blacks lack institutional power. They do not, for the most part, control the banks,

the police,
the courts,
the schools,
the hospitals,
the newspapers,
the film industry,
the fashion industry,
the labour market,
the housing market

and on and on. Instead whites do. So much so that their racism affects rates of black unemployment, income, life expectancy, education, segregation and incarceration. Blacks do not even begin to have that kind of power over whites. If wealth is power, as it largely is in America, then whites as a whole are a hundred times more powerful than blacks (that is double what it was before the Great Recession). Even though we had a president who was black, he could not openly help blacks without being accused of racism.

Internalized racism: The racism among blacks is mostly directed against other blacks, especially against one’s self. Blacks are subject to much of the same racist brainwashing as whites, particularly through television and school. According to one test of racism (the IAT), 42% of blacks are racist in favour of whites!

Blacks understand whites way better than whites understand blacks: Because they have to just to feed their families in a society that is mostly white.

Because they read white books, watch white television, receive white educations, work at white companies, etc. They have to deal with whites. Meantime whites can avoid dealing with blacks or having to take them seriously.

This makes it hard for blacks to stereotype and dehumanize whites to a serious degree.

Blacks have not committed serious injustices that require racist whitewashing.

Blacks do not build their sense of self-worth on looking down on whites.

There is nothing like a black n-word for whites.

There is nothing like the black Klan. Some whites think Black Lives Matter is like that, but they have never gone into white neighbourhoods to spread terror and lynch white people.

Blacks do commit hate crimes and so on, but to think black racism is equal and opposite to white racism is to miss the nature of both white racism and black racism. White racism is institutional and cultural and a hundred times more powerful. Black racism is personal and, to a large degree, is a response or reaction to white racism.

There ARE NO blacks in ANY of those institutions?? No places where those industries are in fact OVER represented by blacks??? In that LAST CASE -- does the blight of urban blacks IMPROVE, STAY THE SAME or degrade???

No and there are none of these places where blacks are overrepresented. Overrepresented are white males in every institution as they are 31 percent of the population but a majority in every institution.

 

[IM2]

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < white people in America. 72.4%
bbbbbbbbbbbb < black people in America. 12.6%
IM2, you live in a white world. It is why there is white tv and white police and white hospitals etc here.

There are black worlds:
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb < black people in Africa 76.4%
wwwwwwwww < white people in Africa 9.1

There you would live in a black world. There is black tv, and black police etc there.
You will find racism in both worlds, but if you can't stand it in a white world, why wouldn't you opt for a more comfortable % of like minded people who share your complexion and view points?
I hate it that you are consumed daily by the despair of inequality and unfairness you feel you experience here. I am reminded of the profound effect going to Africa had on Richard Pryor. Maybe that is your answer for peace and happiness.

I have the first amendment right to air my grievance peacefully. I am doing that. If that's a freedom you don't like, move to an all white country. I know what I will find in a so-called all black world. You have never lived in one and what you call racism in that world is the response to what whites have done. But instead of taking the personal responsibility you have to rid the white community of it's racism, you chose to spend time in a forum like this expressing racism and then lecturing blacks for opposing it.

I've been to Africa. I was born in America. My family has been here since the late 1600's. They built this country. My father took a bullet for this country. I have the right to demand that whites end their racism in no uncertain terms. End the gaslighting. Start talking personal responsibility and do your part to end racism in the white community.

 

[The Irish Ram]

You can scream racism from the roof tops and I wouldn't feel responsible one way or the other. I take responsibility for my actions, and mine alone. I never owned slaves. And you've never picked cotton, so get over that shit.
I feel badly that you are so consumed with hate that it eats away at you every day. Have you never had a pleasant experience you could share?
How was Africa? Did you like it?

 

[IM2]

You can scream racism from the roof tops and I wouldn't feel responsible one way or the other. I take responsibility for my actions, and mine alone. I never owned slaves. And you've never picked cotton, so get over that shit.
I feel badly that you are so consumed with hate that it eats away at you every day. Have you never had a pleasant experience you could share?
How was Africa? Did you like it?

You are not the federal, state or local governments that passed laws and implemented policies that beneftted you because you are white. Now since you are white and a female that means you have received the greatest benefit from affirmative action. So go elsewhere with your delusion based opinions.

This is 2020. I was born in 1961, the racism I have seen and endured don't have a motherfucking thing to do with what your white ignorant ass has not owned or what I have not picked. So let me explain to you how you, today, have benefited from racism.

Because white women are a protected group relative to past discrimination, you get to be included in affirmative action policy. The racist can hire or promote you and then claim he does not discriminate. So what you say you didn't own doesn't mean shit. These dumb tired racist white excuses have almost become comical.

Drop the assumptions ignorant ho, and quit listening to white right wing race hustlers.

 

[MizMolly]

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < white people in America. 72.4%
bbbbbbbbbbbb < black people in America. 12.6%
IM2, you live in a white world. It is why there is white tv and white police and white hospitals etc here.

There are black worlds:
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb < black people in Africa 76.4%
wwwwwwwww < white people in Africa 9.1

There you would live in a black world. There is black tv, and black police etc there.
You will find racism in both worlds, but if you can't stand it in a white world, why wouldn't you opt for a more comfortable % of like minded people who share your complexion and view points?
I hate it that you are consumed daily by the despair of inequality and unfairness you feel you experience here. I am reminded of the profound effect going to Africa had on Richard Pryor. Maybe that is your answer for peace and happiness.

I have the first amendment right to air my grievance peacefully. I am doing that. If that's a freedom you don't like, move to an all white country. I know what I will find in a so-called all black world. You have never lived in one and what you call racism in that world is the response to what whites have done. But instead of taking the personal responsibility you have to rid the white community of it's racism, you chose to spend time in a forum like this expressing racism and then lecturing blacks for opposing it.

I've been to Africa. I was born in America. My family has been here since the late 1600's. They built this country. My father took a bullet for this country. I have the right to demand that whites end their racism in no uncertain terms. End the gaslighting. Start talking personal responsibility and do your part to end racism in the white community.

Whites who are not racist are not responsible nor can they end racism by others.

 

[MizMolly]

You can scream racism from the roof tops and I wouldn't feel responsible one way or the other. I take responsibility for my actions, and mine alone. I never owned slaves. And you've never picked cotton, so get over that shit.
I feel badly that you are so consumed with hate that it eats away at you every day. Have you never had a pleasant experience you could share?
How was Africa? Did you like it?

You are not the federal, state or local governments that passed laws and implemented policies that beneftted you because you are white. Now since you are white and a female that means you have received the greatest benefit from affirmative action. So go elsewhere with your delusion based opinions.

This is 2020. I was born in 1961, the racism I have seen and endured don't have a motherfucking thing to do with what your white ignorant ass has not owned or what I have not picked. So let me explain to you how you, today, have benefited from racism.

Because white women are a protected group relative to past discrimination, you get to be included in affirmative action policy. The racist can hire or promote you and then claim he does not discriminate. So what you say you didn't own doesn't mean shit. These dumb tired racist white excuses have almost become comical.

Drop the assumptions ignorant ho, and quit listening to white right wing race hustlers.

More of your Affirmative Action lies. You are neither white, nor a woman. You know nothing. You seem to believe no white women would succeed without AA. That is very biased and racist. You hate whites telling blacks what they are, what they do, how to live, etc. Yet, you seem to think it is fine to tell whites what they are, what they get, etc etc. You ASSume shit that isn't real.

 

[IM2]

You can scream racism from the roof tops and I wouldn't feel responsible one way or the other. I take responsibility for my actions, and mine alone. I never owned slaves. And you've never picked cotton, so get over that shit.
I feel badly that you are so consumed with hate that it eats away at you every day. Have you never had a pleasant experience you could share?
How was Africa? Did you like it?

You are not the federal, state or local governments that passed laws and implemented policies that beneftted you because you are white. Now since you are white and a female that means you have received the greatest benefit from affirmative action. So go elsewhere with your delusion based opinions.

This is 2020. I was born in 1961, the racism I have seen and endured don't have a motherfucking thing to do with what your white ignorant ass has not owned or what I have not picked. So let me explain to you how you, today, have benefited from racism.

Because white women are a protected group relative to past discrimination, you get to be included in affirmative action policy. The racist can hire or promote you and then claim he does not discriminate. So what you say you didn't own doesn't mean shit. These dumb tired racist white excuses have almost become comical.

Drop the assumptions ignorant ho, and quit listening to white right wing race hustlers.

More of your Affirmative Action lies. You are neither white, nor a woman. You know nothing. You seem to believe no white women would succeed without AA. That is very biased and racist. You hate whites telling blacks what they are, what they do, how to live, etc. Yet, you seem to think it is fine to tell whites what they are, what they get, etc etc. You ASSume shit that isn't real.

I see that you are about to get embarrassed. Whites talk about us based on lies and we bring up actual white behavior, as well as laws and policies that have benefitted whites. That's the difference and I do know what I am talking about.

"White women benefit from affirmative action the most. Programs stemming from affirmative action have been critical in ensuring gender equity and creating opportunities for women in business and in educational institutions that they’ve traditionally been shut out of."

4 Key Points That Debunk Misconceptions Around Affirmative Action

Affirmative action still matters.

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Affirmative Action Is Great For White Women. So Why Do They Hate It?
The Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the program benefits the women who fought against it most of all.

On Thursday, the Supreme Court narrowly upheld affirmative action in higher education admissions, protecting a landmark victory of the Civil Rights movement against yet another assault.

The face of Fisher v. Texas, Abigail Fisher, is a young, educated and white woman who sought to undo affirmative action in the erroneous belief that the system limited her chances because of her race.

But if the court had dismantled affirmative action across the nation, Fisher, and many other white women like her, would have been sorely disappointed. The fact is that white women are disproportionately likely to benefit from affirmative action policies. You’d never know that from listening to Fisher — or her demographic.

Data from the 2014 Cooperative Congressional Election Study — an annual large-scale academic survey that aims to track political attitudes — show that 66 percent of young white people between 17 and 34 describe themselves as “somewhat opposed” or “strongly opposed” to affirmative action policies in employment and admissions. Among young white women, 67 percent are against affirmative action. Among young women of color — the study polls black, Hispanic and Asian American women — only 29 percent oppose it either strongly or somewhat.

Affirmative action, when it was introduced by President John F. Kennedy in 1961, originally required entities that receive federal funding to take tangible steps “to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin.” In 1967, Lyndon Johnson added sex to that list.

And yet, just as most people think of Title IX as being about athletics funding (there’s a lot more to it than that), the general perception of affirmative action is that it’s “just” about race.

But affirmative action has been quite beneficial to women, and disproportionately beneficial to white women.

Affirmative Action Is Great For White Women. So Why Do They Hate It?

The Supreme Court's decision to uphold the program benefits the women who fought against it most of all.

www.huffpost.com

Who Does Affirmative Action Benefit? White Women Are Some Of Its Biggest Opponents

On Tuesday evening, the New York Times revealed a new bombshell. Recently obtained documents from the Justice Department indicate the Trump administration is planning to target affirmative action on university campuses, likely arguing that it discriminates against white college applicants.

Ironically, the group that affirmative action helps the most is also one of its most stringent opponents. Statistics show that white women benefit immensely from affirmative action, but according to Vox, they are also among those who most want to see it abolished.

The numbers prove it: After two decades of affirmative action, it was white women who held the majority of managerial jobs, compared to African American, Latino, and Asian American women (the supposed beneficiaries of these policies), according to a 1995 report by the California Senate Government Organization Committee. Across the board, affirmative action helped women obtain success in the labor market. Today, women are more educated and successful in the workforce than ever before, while married women are taking over as household breadwinners.

Who Does Affirmative Action Benefit? White Women Are Some Of Its Biggest Opponents

On Tuesday evening, the New York Times revealed a new bombshell. Recently obtained documents from the Justice Department indicate the Trump administration is planning to target affirmative action on university campuses, likely arguing that it…

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Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone

Originally, women weren’t even included in legislation attempting to level the playing field in education and employment. The first affirmative-action measure in America was an executive order signed by President Kennedy in 1961 requiring that federal contractors “take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin.” In 1967, President Johnson amended this, and a subsequent measure included sex, recognizing that women also faced many discriminatory barriers and hurdles to equal opportunity. Meanwhile, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 only included sex in the list of prohibited forms of discrimination because conservative opponents of the legislation hoped that including it would sway moderate members of Congress to withdraw their support for the bill. Still, in a nation where white women and black people were once considered property — not allowed to own property themselves and not allowed to vote — it was clear to all those who were seeking fairness and opportunity that both groups faced monumental obstacles.

While people of color, individually and as groups, have been helped by affirmative action in the subsequent years, data and studies suggest women — white women in particular — have benefited disproportionately. According to one study, in 1995, 6 million women, the majority of whom were white, had jobs they wouldn’t have otherwise held but for affirmative action.

Another study shows that women made greater gains in employment at companies that do business with the federal government, which are therefore subject to federal affirmative-action requirements, than in other companies — with female employment rising 15.2% at federal contractors but only 2.2% elsewhere. And the women working for federal-contractor companies also held higher positions and were paid better.

Even in the private sector, the advancements of white women eclipse those of people of color. After IBM established its own affirmative-action program, the numbers of women in management positions more than tripled in less than 10 years. Data from subsequent years show that the number of executives of color at IBM also grew, but not nearly at the same rate.

Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone

Studies show affirmative action helps white women as much or more than others

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White women benefit most from affirmative action — and are among its fiercest opponents

The willingness to erase white women from the story of affirmative action is part of the problem.

www.vox.com

Who Does Affirmative Action Benefit? White Women Are Some of Its Biggest Opponents | National Organization for Women

Ironically, the group that affirmative action helps the most is also one of its most stringent opponents. Statistics show that white women benefit immensely from affirmative action, but according to Vox, they are also among those who most want to see it abolished.

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News Flash: Affirmative Action Most Benefits White Women

Know the facts.

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You and others here have whined about how unfair it is for blacks be getting AA and that we cannot make it without government help. You don't seem to like it when it is revealed that you, a white person has been given more by the government than anyone else. It is that dependence on the government that has you whining today about how blacks are getting extra rights when we are only asking for equal rights. Now just shut your racist ass up Molly.