Birthright citizenship

[Delldude]

Stumbled on this earlier. Listened to what the guy said. I thought it's another click bait thread, then I looked up what he was discussing. Damn, 9th circuit court just made a ruling several days ago that will provide good arguments for Trump's BRC EO. It will probably go SCOTUS but from the conclusion, I doubt it will be overturned. Not sure if this destroys it but it sure is going to be interesting.

YET WHEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES LEAVE A PERSON IMMUNE FROM THE JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH.

Illegals born here are subject to the jurisdiction that their parents left.




Formality is a virtue of birthright citizenship. It requires
no inquiry into lineage but is “restricted only by place and
jurisdiction.” Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. at 676. Yet when
circumstances leave a person immune from the jurisdiction
of the United States at birth, this same formality requires a
court to “give full effect” to that restriction. Id. at 694. Thus,
we affirm the judgment of the district court.

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2025/08/20/23-55803.pdf

 

[Chuz Life]

https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/12.5_Primary_Source__Jacob_Howard%2C_Speech_Introducing_the_Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_Senate_%281866%29_.pdf

 

[MisterBeale]

I do not see how this makes any difference.

The government won't ever be able to deport the 15 million illegals, much less get around to the anchor babies.

What a silly thing to worry about.

 

[Samofvt]

MisterBeale Silly? No, this is a game-changing big deal that will shake the foundations of society.

I have opposed the ending of birthright citizenship. Being born in a place is a natural right.

Any nation that does not have birthright citizenship has other programs in place to test and validate the citizenship of individuals.

So far, I have not heard of any agency being proposed that would determine a person's citizenship.

As a consequence, all of the "US Citizens" reading this message right now no longer have any claim on citizenship: Your birth certificate or the fact that you grew up in Middletown, USA, is no longer proof.

Who will decide if you are a legal citizen or not?

 

[Delldude]

What a silly thing to worry about.

The silly thing is the dems plans to make all those illegals citizens who vote D.

 

[MisterBeale]

MisterBeale Silly? No, this is a game-changing big deal that will shake the foundations of society.

I have opposed the ending of birthright citizenship. Being born in a place is a natural right.

Any nation that does not have birthright citizenship has other programs in place to test and validate the citizenship of individuals.

So far, I have not heard of any agency being proposed that would determine a person's citizenship.

As a consequence, all of the "US Citizens" reading this message right now no longer have any claim on citizenship: Your birth certificate or the fact that you grew up in Middletown, USA, is no longer proof.

Who will decide if you are a legal citizen or not?

What I mean, is that for the folks that run society, the population growth pyramids are everything to these folks.

Yes, everyone whose parents were citizens can be sure, that if they were born here to citizen parents, they are indeed going to be ruled to be legal tax paying citizens.

But the other birthright citizens? The reason I don't think it is an issue, is the controllers and planners are more worried about population growth than they are worried about kicking folks out.

Japan, Europe, Russia. . . and soon even China are going to have a population crash where younger generations will not be able to continue the economic growth necessary to service their debt and take care of older generations.

Population Pyramids of the World from 1950 to 2100

WORLD - 2024

www.populationpyramid.net

Demographics as they say in political science and economics? That's destiny. The only major power that has a good outlook, primarily b/c of immigration, is, the U.S.

. . . and the folks that run the show? They ain't going to do anything to upset that apple cart, regardless of all the rhetoric coming from Trump and his party. Maybe a little around the edges to mollify the natives, but no real big changes in the offing.

 

[Samofvt]

Yes, everyone whose parents were citizens can be sure, that if they were born here to citizen parents, they are indeed going to be ruled to be legal tax paying citizens.

How can they "be sure"? I know 2nd generation people born of illegal immigrants. Who will decide?

How can YOU prove that your parents were legal citizens, and not illegal? I certainly don't have any paperwork that shows my parents were legal citizens. It's all based on birth certificates, currently, and my birth certificate has absolutely nothing on it about the citizenship of my parents. I suggest you take a look at yours.

It seems like it would be an arbitrary decision by "who knows who"...and could be used for political purposes. The bureaucrat of the day may have a grudge against you, and determine you are illegal.

 

[MisterBeale]

How can they "be sure"? I know 2nd generation people born of illegal immigrants. Who will decide?

How can YOU prove that your parents were legal citizens, and not illegal? I certainly don't have any paperwork that shows my parents were legal citizens. It's all based on birth certificates, currently, and my birth certificate has absolutely nothing on it about the citizenship of my parents. I suggest you take a look at yours.

It seems like it would be an arbitrary decision by "who knows who"...and could be used for political purposes. The bureaucrat of the day may have a grudge against you, and determine you are illegal.

I don't care, and I am not worried.

If they want to try to deport me? Weeeeee what fun!


I've always wanted to visit Europe.

I imagine I have a good chance to wind up in Ireland, Scotland or Germany.

Considering recent events over there, I sure hope it is Ireland.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Birthright Citizenship was intended for American citizens.
It was not intended for illegal aliens.
This will be decided by the Supreme Court soon.
Although I don't have much hope that the Supreme Court will stop giving BRC to illegal immigrants.
America will become a third world country eventually.

 

[Samofvt]

Birthright Citizenship was intended for American citizens.
It was not intended for illegal aliens.
This will be decided by the Supreme Court soon.
Although I don't have much hope that the Supreme Court will stop giving BRC to illegal immigrants.
America will become a third world country eventually.

There is no "bureau of citizenship"

How would you determine if a person's parents were legal citizens? Remember, you can no longer look at the birth certificate of anyone. There are no rules or agencies in place that can take the place of birth certificates which are filed at local town clerks' offices.

How are you suggesting that a person's citizenship be determined, then?

 

[80zephyr]

There is no "bureau of citizenship"

How would you determine if a person's parents were legal citizens? Remember, you can no longer look at the birth certificate of anyone. There are no rules or agencies in place that can take the place of birth certificates which are filed at local town clerks' offices.

How are you suggesting that a person's citizenship be determined, then?

You're assuming the ruling will be retroactive. It doesn't have to be.

 

[Delldude]

Considering recent events over there, I sure hope it is Ireland.

They're up to their asses in Muslims.

 

[Unkotare]

Birthright Citizenship was intended for American citizens.
It was not intended for illegal aliens.
This will be decided by the Supreme Court soon.
Although I don't have much hope that the Supreme Court will stop giving BRC to illegal immigrants.
America will become a third world country eventually.

We’ve been doing alright so far.

 

[MisterBeale]

They're up to their asses in Muslims.

I don't care, as long as they aren't the radical sort.

I've met plenty of nice Muslims.

 

[Delldude]

We’ve been doing alright so far.

Ask a democrat......

 

[Unkotare]

I’d rather not.

 

[Foxfyre]

MisterBeale Silly? No, this is a game-changing big deal that will shake the foundations of society.

I have opposed the ending of birthright citizenship. Being born in a place is a natural right.

Any nation that does not have birthright citizenship has other programs in place to test and validate the citizenship of individuals.

So far, I have not heard of any agency being proposed that would determine a person's citizenship.

As a consequence, all of the "US Citizens" reading this message right now no longer have any claim on citizenship: Your birth certificate or the fact that you grew up in Middletown, USA, is no longer proof.

Who will decide if you are a legal citizen or not?

A legal citizen of the USA should be a child of a legal citizen of the USA no matter where the child is born - or - a person who has been legally admitted to the USA for the purpose/intent and when through the legal process to become a naturalized citizen.

That is the position of all but a small handful of countries throughout the world and it is a good position to take.

Nobody should be able to illegally enter our country and have their baby here and that baby become a citizen who cannot be deported. The hope is we'll be too tender hearted to deport the mother and force her to leave her baby here if she won't take the baby back to her home country with her. That baby becomes her 'anchor baby' allowing her to stay here.

And then bleeding heart liberals allow her to also bring in all her family, parents, siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles, siblings, cousins, etc. in a chain migration that greatly swells the ranks of those who should have no legal right to be here permanently.

Jus sanguinis should be our law as it is almost everywhere throughout the world. The other countries besides us that have Jus Soli aren't bothered by millions of migrants wanting into those countries. If that became a problem for them I'm sure they would change their citizenship laws quickly as well.

Our law should be:
--Jus sanguinis--children born to citizens are automatic citizens.

--End the lottery system for new immigrants and accept people who will reject allegiance to their former country, embrace all the culture, traditions, laws of the USA and have capability and intent to become self supporting, productive citizens of the USA.

--End all chain migration. A husband and wife and their minor children can be admitted all at once. But their adult children and other relatives will have to apply for immigrant status and be admitted legally on their own merit.

 

[Delldude]

I don't care, as long as they aren't the radical sort.

I've met plenty of nice Muslims.

Ok, but the Irish are big into bouncing them.

 

[MisterBeale]

Ok, but the Irish are big into bouncing them.

Sooooooo, you are agreeing, that of the three, if you had to choose someplace to be forced to go, Ireland would be better than Britain or Germany?

 

[Unkotare]

A legal citizen of the USA should be a child of a legal citizen of the USA no matter where the child is born - or - a person who has been legally admitted to the USA for the purpose/intent and when through the legal process to become a naturalized citizen.

That is the position of all but a small handful of countries throughout the world and it is a good position to take.

Nobody should be able to illegally enter our country and have their baby here and that baby become a citizen who cannot be deported. The hope is we'll be too tender hearted to deport the mother and force her to leave her baby here if she won't take the baby back to her home country with her. That baby becomes her 'anchor baby' allowing her to stay here.

And then bleeding heart liberals allow her to also bring in all her family, parents, siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles, siblings, cousins, etc. in a chain migration that greatly swells the ranks of those who should have no legal right to be here permanently.

Jus sanguinis should be out law as it is almost everywhere throughout the world. The other countries besides us that have Jus Soli aren't bothered by millions of migrants wanting into those countries. If that became a problem for them I'm sure they would change their citizenship laws quickly as well.

Our law should be:
--Jus sanguinis--children born to citizens are automatic citizens.

--End the lottery system for new immigrants and accept people who will reject allegiance to their former country, embrace all the culture, traditions, laws of the USA and have capability and intent to become self supporting, productive citizens of the USA.

--End all chain migration. A husband and wife and their minor children can be admitted all at once. But their adult children and other relatives will have to apply for immigrant status and be admitted legally on their own merit.

There is no such thing as an “anchor baby,” and mothers ARE deported all the time.