Biocomputing. Anyone know what it is?

[Votto]

Embryos are the new fuel for AI. Is this the future we want? | Blaze Media

Biocomputing is being hailed as the future of artificial intelligence. But the technology depends on growing and discarding human brain tissue.

www.theblaze.com

Sound pretty dark to me, enslaving the stem cells of dead unborn babies to become part of AI?

Naturally, the Left will love this. Not only will there be an even larger market for abortion, but they can also build their "god" AI in the process to worship and follow as they use the knowledge to empower themselves.

Knowledge without wisdom, that is nirvana for the Left.

Yay.

 

[Dante]

DEI of computing?


We can always use a search engine. Hmm...

 

[Dante]

Embryos are the new fuel for AI. Is this the future we want? | Blaze Media

Biocomputing is being hailed as the future of artificial intelligence. But the technology depends on growing and discarding human brain tissue.

www.theblaze.com

Sound pretty dark to me, enslaving the stem cells of dead unborn babies to become part of AI?

Naturally, the Left will love this. Not only will there be an even larger market for abortion, but they can also build their "god" AI in the process to worship and follow as they use the knowledge to empower themselves.

Knowledge without wisdom, that is nirvana for the Left.

Yay.

"Dead unborn, babies"

Are unborn babies living things?

What does it mean to be "unborn?"

What does it mean to be "dead?"

What does it even mean to be a "baby?" A baby versus a fetus? Rights of the unborn? What does the US Constitution have to say on this? What does the Bible and other holy books from centuries, and centuries ago have to say on this?

You've put this thread in the wrong forum.

This is a bait thread. A flame thread. A bullshit thread. A typical VOTTO thread.

 

[Votto]

"Dead unborn, babies"

Are unborn babies living things?

What does it mean to be "unborn?"

What does it mean to be "dead?"

What does it even mean to be a "baby?" A baby versus a fetus? Rights of the unborn? What does the US Constitution have to say on this? What does the Bible and other holy books from centuries, and centuries ago have to say on this?

You've put this thread in the wrong forum.

This is a bait thread. A flame thread. A bullshit thread. A typical VOTTO thread.

The implication for politics is enormous

Many great scientific minds have had ethical issues with AI for various reasons, one of which is a possible Terminator scenario where the machine becomes smarter than those that build it. Many have even walked away from it as a result.

So, it would stand to reason that one should address these ethical concerns before proceeding to build the damned thing. But wait! There is an arms race as countries compete to build it bigger and better for all the advantages that come with it to give their said country an advantage over all the others.

So, politics is what will drive this race with reckless abandon with all the ills to the world along with it, whatever they may be. Say, that you are concerned with mankind unleashing a power that may take over the world or concerned about using aborted fetus to power the damned thing, but no one cares because if you take time to assess these things before going head long into it, China wins the arms race.

Imagine if you will, Hitler having access to AI. Of course, AI is still in progress, so the power that this will unleash for mankind has not fully been realized yet, but it's not hard to imagine all the scenarios that could unfold as AI could literally monitor and track every human being on the face of the earth 24/7.

The fact remains that the "State" is the single biggest driver for war and death in the world in terms of the history of mankind. They alone have all the "guns", guns that they will restrict from you unless they send you off to die for the state.

 

[Thinker101]

"Dead unborn, babies"

Are unborn babies living things?

What does it mean to be "unborn?"

What does it mean to be "dead?"

What does it even mean to be a "baby?" A baby versus a fetus? Rights of the unborn? What does the US Constitution have to say on this? What does the Bible and other holy books from centuries, and centuries ago have to say on this?

You've put this thread in the wrong forum.

This is a bait thread. A flame thread. A bullshit thread. A typical VOTTO thread.

What does it mean to be "dead?" We may have to get that from you. You seem to be dead from the neck up.

 

[Dante]

The implication for politics is enormous

Many great scientific minds have had ethical issues with AI for various reasons, one of which is a possible Terminator scenario where the machine becomes smarter than those that build it. Many have even walked away from it as a result.

So, it would stand to reason that one should address these ethical concerns before proceeding to build the damned thing. But wait! There is an arms race as countries compete to build it bigger and better for all the advantages that come with it to give their said country an advantage over all the others.

So, politics is what will drive this race with reckless abandon with all the ills to the world along with it, whatever they may be. Say, that you are concerned with mankind unleashing a power that may take over the world or concerned about using aborted fetus to power the damned thing, but no one cares because if you take time to assess these things before going head long into it, China wins the arms race.

Imagine if you will, Hitler having access to AI. Of course, AI is still in progress, so the power that this will unleash for mankind has not fully been realized yet, but it's not hard to imagine all the scenarios that could unfold as AI could literally monitor and track every human being on the face of the earth 24/7.

"Implications?"

Okay

"Hitler...?"

and folks...............

We have another Mister Peabody here

 

[Votto]

What does it mean to be "dead?" We may have to get that from you. You seem to be dead from the neck up.

Shrug.

He is a mental midget.

But then, we already knew that because he is a Dim.

 

[Dante]

What does it mean to be "dead?" We may have to get that from you. You seem to be dead from the neck up.

That would be Meathead

 

[Dante]

What does it mean to be "dead?" We may have to get that from you. You seem to be dead from the neck up.

Shrug.

He is a mental midget.

But then, we already knew that because he is a Dim.

You girls need to give it a rest.

 

[BackAgain]

One example of a bio computer is the human brain.

Using the brain cells of aborted babies to help create AI does seem more than just little bit unethical. Dr. Frankenstein might not even approve.

Dr. Mengele might (unless he discovered that the aborted babies were Jewish).

 

[Votto]

One example of a bio computer is the human brain.

Using the brain cells of aborted babies to help create AI does seem more than just little bit unethical. Dr. Frankenstein might not even approve.

Dr. Mengele might (unless he discovered that the aborted babies were Jewish).

But what does ethics have to do with science?

Nothing.

That is what should scare the hell out of people.

Even Darwin realized the problem

“With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage.”
― Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

 

[Rambunctious]

I understood that biocomputing uses DNA strands... Biocomputing has potential applications in medicine... data storage... like clouds and solving complex mathematical problems more efficiently than traditional computers.....

 

[BackAgain]

But what does ethics have to do with science?

Nothing.

With science itself? Probably nothing, as you say.

But, with the application of science? Quite a lot. Or, at least, it probably should — much more often than not.

 

[d0gbreath]

Pretty soon most computer systems will have a functioning human brain that you can connect via USB-Z.

All of the cool kids will have one. The drawback will be having to feed it.

 

[Votto]

With science itself? Probably nothing, as you say.

But, with the application of science? Quite a lot. Or, at least, it probably should — much more often than not.

The application has nothing to do with science other than science being used.

Science does not care, for example, about breeding humans for success like they do cattle. Using Darwin's example, does science care if humans kill off the genetically inferior humans like they do cattle?

No.

For people like Hitler, who gives a damn about ethics? Just use science to take you where you want to go.

It is all about power man.

 

[BackAgain]

The application has nothing to do with science other than science being used.

Science does not care, for example, about breeding humans for success like they do cattle. Using Darwin's example, does science care if humans kill off the genetically inferior humans like they do cattle?

No.

For people like Hitler, who gives a damn about ethics? Just use science to take you where you want to go.

It is all about power man.

Science — itself — is not a matter of ethics.

How it is used (or abused) by people, companies and governments, however, is.

 

[Votto]

AI is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to science and ethics. Take the A bomb for example

So, if the bomb is not produced by the US first, would Hitler get one and use it on the US?

You then make the bomb and use the damned thing as you lay aside your ethical concerns.

This is the same arms race with AI. What would a totalitarian atheistic communist regime do with such a device, a regime that cares nothing about ethics. A regime that the world identifies as engaging in open genocide against their own citizens and Soders them in their home during the Covid Pandemic so they can't leave their homes.

 

[Votto]

I think the Left has gotten most of the world over the ethics of abortion.

Can they get them over the ethics of AI now as they use the fetus for AI?

I'm sure they can.

 

[scruffy]

Embryos are the new fuel for AI. Is this the future we want? | Blaze Media

Biocomputing is being hailed as the future of artificial intelligence. But the technology depends on growing and discarding human brain tissue.

www.theblaze.com

Sound pretty dark to me, enslaving the stem cells of dead unborn babies to become part of AI?

Naturally, the Left will love this. Not only will there be an even larger market for abortion, but they can also build their "god" AI in the process to worship and follow as they use the knowledge to empower themselves.

Knowledge without wisdom, that is nirvana for the Left.

Yay.

Don't be worried, it's a passing fad.

It started back when neural networks became a thing, about 15 years ago. There's certain kinds of computations that AI simply can't do, that real neurons can.

So someone figured out how to culture cells on a chip, and the technology had/has very limited (almost no) commercial success.

Today, photonics is the thing. The bridge between AI and quantum computing is where it's at. Just today, a Chinese team announced a metasurface capable of entangling large numbers of photons, either one at a time or all at once

For actual brain research, neurons on a chip are useless. We already have technology that far surpasses it in capability.

The only part of brain computation that AI can't yet do is the non-algebraic part, the part that involves oscillations and phase coding. Very few people understand how this actually works (I do, if you'd like to know about it I'll tell you, and show you). None of that is present in these neurons-on-a-chip, they're strictly algebraic (nonlinear, but otherwise not very smart).

Neurons by themselves are kind of dumb, interesting but not very capable. You have to get them in large populations to do brainy stuff. You can program a neuron genetically (for example, to oscillate) but it's pretty hard, it takes weeks of biochemistry whereas you could get on Google AI and do the same thing algebraically with TensorFlow in minutes.

Technically the main thing the live milieu brings to the table is "active learning". AI works on an error-correcting scheme called "back propagation" which is highly non-biological but works real good with digital computers and GPU's. Competing and more brain-like methods have been around since the 80's, they're just not as fast in the digital domain because you have to solve differential equations by numerical approximation.

Real neurons on a chip have no future, commercial or otherwise. Photonic neural networks can already classify objects in visual space in less than 500 picoseconds, real neurons can't touch that. Real neurons depend on water diffusion, which is real slow compared to the speed of light.

What is needed is a software language to program quantum computers at a high level. A company called D-Wave almost has one, but it's architecture specific and therefore of limited use. The demand is great though, someone will invent one soon.