You are an idiot that doesn't know enough about science to understand that all that shit they are telling you is bogus.
You chose to believe the lies so that pretty well makes you the sucker that PT was talking about.
Fraudulent and cherry picked data. Admitted dishonesty by the scammers. Nothing they have ever predicted has ever come true. Dismissing when organizations like NOAA and NASA are caught red handed lying about their data. Ignoring any contradicting evidence, even when it is overwhelming.
So, you believe that very, very close to all the world's climate scientists are lying and pulling a scam over on the public. But you refuse to believe that the existentially threatened fossil fuel industry might take the sort of measures by which the tobacco industry successfully fought the same sort of threats: a perfectly safe, fully deniable PR campaign where they just claim to be exploring all the possibilities. I ask once again, whose the sucker?
I am not a climate expert but I do have advanced degrees in Environmental Engineering. I understand real science to include atmospheric chemistry. In fact my graduate thesis was pertaining to atmospheric pollution. I spent 30 years cleaning up real pollution. I have taught college level courses in Environmental Science with a section on climate change where we discussed the real facts.
If you're as intelligent as you'd like us to think you are, how can you believe it more likely that thousands of scientists would be all participating in a vast conspiracy without a single one of them ever confessing or getting caught while rejecting out of hand the possibility that the fossil fuel industry might be acting in a slightly underhanded manner to slow down public acceptance of the fact that their product is fucking the world? Your position fails the smell test. It fails the sanity test. It simply fails.
Having a background in real science I understand a science scam when I see it.
Son, AGW is a scam.
You need to think seriously about pulling your head out of your Environmental Wacko ass because you look like a fool when you post your silly shit. You are definitely the sucker PT warned us about.
I need a little more than your unsupported opinions and your condescension (I doubt you're old enough to be my father). Please explain, as if you were talking to someone who understood some science, WHY you think it's a scam.
I need a little more than your unsupported opinions and your condescension (I doubt you're old enough to be my father). Please explain, as if you were talking to someone who understood some science, WHY you think it's a scam.
The thing is, you fucking moron, is that in order understand that it is scam all you have to do is a take a little time and look at the bullshit.
When your education is nothing more than reading bullshit posted on the Internet by the very people that are doing the scam then you are always going to be confused and you will never pull your head out of your ass.
Before I taught my first class in Environmental Science where we were going to have a section on climate change I spent the time to actually research some of the bullshit the Wackos were saying. I wanted to get it right.
It all is predicated on fraudulent and cherry picked proxy data that does not withstand any scrutiny. Hell, they can't even prove that CO2 is a greenhouse gas in the levels we are seeing now.
They have even admitted it was a scam and they were lying but yet you suckers still will not give it up. PT Barnum had you pegged.
By the way Moon Bat. I have no problem in accepting that humans have altered the climate with pollution if it was true. In my career as an Environmental Engineer I have identified more pollution and abated more pollution than your little Moon Bat brain could ever imagine. We are polluting the hell out of the earth. However, there are absolutely no credible data that man has changed the climate of the earth. None at all.
You don't want to hear it so you will continue to keep your head up your ass.
When your education is nothing more than reading bullshit posted on the Internet by the very people that are doing the scam then you are always going to be confused and you will never pull your head out of your ass.
So you believe that all the world's scientists are pulling a perfect scam. That every single scientista agreed to lie and to coordinate their data to maintain the lie and that in several decades of this conspiracy, no one has ever been caught or confessed. Gosh, that seems so sensible...
Before I taught my first class in Environmental Science where we were going to have a section on climate change I spent the time to actually research some of the bullshit the Wackos were saying. I wanted to get it right.
Whatever the levels, CO2 is a greenhouse gas because of the frequencies of IR it absorbs. And the amount of energy that it will absorb and retransmit is calculable
I'm certainly not going to give up from arguments like these. You keep ranting about evidence without ever actually presenting any. Reminds me of an ex-president that's been in the news lately.
By the way Moon Bat. I have no problem in accepting that humans have altered the climate with pollution if it was true. In my career as an Environmental Engineer I have identified more pollution and abated more pollution than your little Moon Bat brain could ever imagine. We are polluting the hell out of the earth. However, there are absolutely no credible data that man has changed the climate of the earth. None at all.
You just said you accepted "that humans have altered the climate" then said there is no "credible data that man has changed the climate". Do you need some time to sort that out?
So you believe that all the world's scientists are pulling a perfect scam. That every single scientista agreed to lie and to coordinate their data to maintain the lie and that in several decades of this conspiracy, no one has ever been caught or confessed. Gosh, that seems so sensible...
Wanted to get the bullshit right. Got it.
What fraudulent and cherry picked proxy data?
Whatever the levels, CO2 is a greenhouse gas because of the frequencies of IR it absorbs. And the amount of energy that it will absorb and retransmit is calculable
Where? When? Who? Do you have a link?
I'm certainly not going to give up from arguments like these. You keep ranting about evidence without ever actually presenting any. Reminds me of an ex-president that's been in the news lately.
You just said you accepted "that humans have altered the climate" then said there is no "credible data that man has changed the climate". Do you need some time to sort that out?
I'd love to hear it. But you just don't seem capable of delivering any. How may chances do you actually require?
Years ago I would have got into an extended debate. I had all the pertinent references bookmarked. After all I had done the research prior to teaching my class.
In other internet discussions I have gone back and forth with the person believing in the scam. They would post their bullshit and I would show them where their source material would be corrupted. Then they would ignore what I had posted and post even more bullshit from another corrupted source. Just going round and round in circle with the base source of the scam always being fraudulent.
After doing this several times I decided that it is not worth the effort. If you believe in the scam then you really don't want want to hear the truth about it. It is like a religion to you idiots. You have your faith and no amount of reasoning is going to change it. You have faith in the scammers and nothing is ever going to change you mind, is it Moon Bat?
You are the sucker that PT Barnum was referring to and no amount of typing on a keyboard is going to change anything.
It is a fact that the shithead scammer have admitted to the scam. Their emails have been published. I'm not going to spend a half hour Googling and posting the accounts. It is a fact government agencies like NOAA and NASA have published false data. You can look that up yourself. The accounts of those are well known. It is a fact that the proxy data is cherry picked to ignore conflicting data. Also well documented and I am not going to waste another hour posting the references. Michael Mann even admitted that. It is a fact that none of the dire predictions that have been made in the past have ever come true. Just look at the beachfront properties the scammers have invested after getting rich with the scam in if you have any doubts.
I am not going to spend a lot of time going through all the trouble of posting the evidence like I have done in the past just to have suckers like you deny and counter with the very shit that had been debunked. It is like arguing Economics with a Marxist. Just a waste of time. In other threads people have posted conflicted data and you have ignored it so you have intentions of pulling your head out of your ass. No intentions at all.
If you want to continue to be an idiot and believe in bad science then go ahead. It really doesn't make any difference. The climate is going to be what it is going to be. Nature is in charge, not suckers like you.
Years ago I would have got into an extended debate. I had all the pertinent references bookmarked. After all I had done the research prior to teaching my class.
In other internet discussions I have gone back and forth with the person believing in the scam. They would post their bullshit and I would show them where their source material would be corrupted. Then they would ignore what I had posted and post even more bullshit from another corrupted source. Just going round and round in circle with the base source of the scam always being fraudulent.
After doing this several times I decided that it is not worth the effort. If you believe in the scam then you really don't want want to hear the truth about it. It is like a religion to you idiots. You have your faith and no amount of reasoning is going to change it. You have faith in the scammers and nothing is ever going to change you mind, is it Moon Bat?
You are the sucker that PT Barnum was referring to and no amount of typing on a keyboard is going to change anything.
It is a fact that the shithead scammer have admitted to the scam. Their emails have been published. I'm not going to spend a half hour Googling and posting the accounts. It is a fact government agencies like NOAA and NASA have published false data. You can look that up yourself. The accounts of those are well known. It is a fact that the proxy data is cherry picked to ignore conflicting data. Also well documented and I am not going to waste another hour posting the references. Michael Mann even admitted that. It is a fact that none of the dire predictions that have been made in the past have ever come true. Just look at the beachfront properties the scammers have invested after getting rich with the scam in if you have any doubts.
I am not going to spend a lot of time going through all the trouble of posting the evidence like I have done in the past just to have suckers like you deny and counter with the very shit that had been debunked. It is like arguing Economics with a Marxist. Just a waste of time. In other threads people have posted conflicted data and you have ignored it so you have intentions of pulling your head out of your ass. No intentions at all.
If you want to continue to be an idiot and believe in bad science then go ahead. It really doesn't make any difference. The climate is going to be what it is going to be. Nature is in charge, not suckers like you.
They cook the books in other ways now. They use the low variability solar output dataset instead of the high variability dataset that NASA uses, they include urban temperature readings which are skewed by the urban heat island effect and they routinely tune their models to remove natural climate variation. All of which lead to the opposite conclusion reached by other climate scientists.
Years ago I would have got into an extended debate. I had all the pertinent references bookmarked. After all I had done the research prior to teaching my class.
In other internet discussions I have gone back and forth with the person believing in the scam. They would post their bullshit and I would show them where their source material would be corrupted. Then they would ignore what I had posted and post even more bullshit from another corrupted source. Just going round and round in circle with the base source of the scam always being fraudulent.
After doing this several times I decided that it is not worth the effort. If you believe in the scam then you really don't want want to hear the truth about it.
They why do you bother starting debates like this? Particularly when the obvious conclusion I'm going to come to is that you DON'T have any evidence supporting your claims and you're trying to do a runner without it being too obvious.
It is like a religion to you idiots. You have your faith and no amount of reasoning is going to change it. You have faith in the scammers and nothing is ever going to change you mind, is it Moon Bat?
Faith is belief without evidence and I have absolute mountains of it. It is you suffering the shortfall but maintaining a grip on your beliefs. And whether or not YOU want to accept the evidence, the world's scientists accept it and agree with the IPCC's conclusions. YOU are the outlier.
I know its difficult, but its not impossible. I once convinced a woman on another forum to vote differently than she had planned. And I've always hoped that she was simply the only one willing to tell me she'd done so. I know the odds of changing your mind and the minds of your brethren is slim, but there are lots of people who read this stuff that don't post and I might actually convince one of them that believing what all the scientists believe is not as irrational as believing what almost no one believes, particularly when you're talking about a potential threat that could harm millions of people for centuries. I'm not the only human that worries about their children's futures.
So, you're talking about the Climategate emails stolen from the Hadley CRU server? You're talking about "Mike's Nature trick" and "Hide the decline"? That's your evidence that the entire AGW theory is a political scam?
I'll try it right now. I went to Google and entered "Have government agencies like NASA and NOAA published false climate data?" Here are the responses with no censorship
The issue was never the truth of the global warming pause, which most scientists agree likely didn't happen. It was a straightforward debate about data archiving.
NASA.gov brings you the latest news, images and videos from America's space agency, pioneering the future in space exploration, scientific discovery and aeronautics research.
Earth's surface temperature has risen about 2 degrees Fahrenheit since the start of the NOAA record in 1850. It may seem like a small change, but it's a tremendous increase in stored heat.
Contents Summary Statement Global Warming and Atlantic Hurricanes Statistical relationships between SSTs and hurricanes Analysis of century-scale Atlantic tropical storm and hurricane frequency Analysis of other observed Atlantic hurricane metrics Model simulations of greenhouse warming...
That adjustments are made to records of climate is neither a scoop, nor a secret, nor a controversy.
www.snopes.com
There is a limit to how many hyperlinks you can put into a post and I'm going to stop there. I visited each one to get a clean URL and it looked as if only one might benefit you. Of course, most of them are from NASA and you won't believe anything they have to say so...
The accounts of those are well known. It is a fact that the proxy data is cherry picked to ignore conflicting data. Also well documented and I am not going to waste another hour posting the references.
"This article focuses only on specific lines of evidence that climate models disagree with observations. In doing so, the authors ignore research that helps to reconcile differences between models and observations. The authors do not consider alternate datasets and time periods in which models...
The current favorite argument of those who argue that climate changes isn’t happening, or a problem, or worth dealing with, is that global warming has stopped. Therefore (they conclude) scientists must be wrong when they say that climate change is caused by humans, worsening, and ultimately a...
Earlier this week, the servers at the University of East Anglia were illegally hacked. Emails dating back to 1996 were stolen and leaked onto the web. Phil Jones, the director of the Climate Research Unit, has confirmed the emails are not forgeries although there is over 60Mb worth of material -...
Predictions by nono-scientists rarely do. The predictions of scientists: that CO2 and methane levels, temperatures and global sea level would continue to rise, that snow and ice would continue to melt, that extreme weather events would become more commonplace... those have all depressingly come true.
There are a great number of wealthy Floridians living in multimillion dollar mansions on the ocean front where they are exceedingly exposed to hurricanes. Should I take that as proof that hurricnaes don't exist or that they will never hit Florida?
I am not going to spend a lot of time going through all the trouble of posting the evidence like I have done in the past just to have suckers like you deny and counter with the very shit that had been debunked.
In other threads people have posted conflicted data and you have ignored it so you have intentions of pulling your head out of your ass. No intentions at all.
If you want to continue to be an idiot and believe in bad science then go ahead. It really doesn't make any difference. The climate is going to be what it is going to be. Nature is in charge, not suckers like you.
Eighteen lines of text to tell me you'll provide no evidence to support your claims. What percentage of neutral readers do you think will find you've won this debate? And, again, if you don't care, why are you here?
