Biden 'On Vacation' As Afghanistan Govt Falls, His 'Saigon' Unfolds

[Stryder50]

At least in the Vietnam War the U.S. had the "deescalation excuse". That is North Vietnam was an ally of the Soviet Union so we didn't want to piss off the Soviets too much and risk a conflict with them.

In the case of Afghanistan, the Taliban are a creation of the fundamentalist Islamic 'Jihad" faction within Pakistan's ISI * and I would not be surprised if, once the purges and pogroms are done in Afghanistan, the conflict next moves back to the ideologically divided nation of Pakistan.

It ain't over folks.
This is just the beginning and start of the next phase, expansion.

*Inter-Services Intelligence - Wikipedia

 

[Stryder50]

Further FYI:

EXCERPT:
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The Taliban (/ˈtælɪbæn, ˈtɑːlɪbɑːn/; Pashto: طالبان‎, romanized: ṭālibān, lit. 'students' or 'seekers')[52][53], which refers to itself as the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (IEA),[54] is a Deobandi Islamist movement and military organization in Afghanistan, currently waging war (an insurgency, or jihad) within the country.[55][56][57] Since 2016, the Taliban's leader has been Mawlawi Hibatullah Akhundzada.[58][59][60] In 2021, the Taliban was estimated to have 200,000 fighters.[21]

From 1996 to 2001, the Taliban held power over roughly three-quarters of Afghanistan, and enforced a strict interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic law.[61] The Taliban emerged in 1994 as one of the prominent factions in the Afghan Civil War[62] and largely consisted of students (talib) from the Pashtun areas of eastern and southern Afghanistan who had been educated in traditional Islamic schools, and fought during the Soviet–Afghan War.[63][8][9][64] Under the leadership of Mohammed Omar, the movement spread throughout most of Afghanistan, sequestering power from the Mujahideen warlords. The totalitarian[65][66] Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan was established in 1996 and the Afghan capital was transferred to Kandahar. It held control of most of the country until being overthrown after the American-led invasion of Afghanistan in December 2001 following the September 11 attacks. At its peak, formal diplomatic recognition of the Taliban's government was acknowledged by only three nations: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates. The group later regrouped as an insurgency movement to fight the American-backed Karzai administration and the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in the War in Afghanistan.

The Taliban have been condemned internationally for the harsh enforcement of their interpretation of Islamic Sharia law, which has resulted in the brutal treatment of many Afghans.[67][68] During their rule from 1996 to 2001, the Taliban and their allies committed massacres against Afghan civilians, denied UN food supplies to 160,000 starving civilians and conducted a policy of scorched earth, burning vast areas of fertile land and destroying tens of thousands of homes.[69][70][71][72][73][74] While the Taliban controlled Afghanistan, they banned activities and media including paintings,[75] photography,[76] and movies if they showed people or other living things,[77] and prohibited music using instruments.[78] The Taliban prevented women from attending school,[79] banned women from working jobs outside of healthcare (male doctors were prohibited from seeing women),[80] and required that women were accompanied by a male relative and wear a burqa at all times when in public.[81] If women broke certain rules, they were publicly whipped or executed.[82] Religious and ethnic minorities were heavily discriminated against during Taliban rule. According to the United Nations, the Taliban and their allies were responsible for 76% of Afghan civilian casualties in 2010, and 80% in 2011 and 2012.[83][84][85][86][87][88] The Taliban also engaged in cultural genocide, destroying numerous monuments including the famous 1500-year old Buddhas of Bamiyan.[89][90][91][92]

The Taliban's ideology has been described as combining an "innovative" form of sharia Islamic law based on Deobandi fundamentalism[93] and the militant Islamism combined[93] with Pashtun social and cultural norms known as Pashtunwali,[1][2][94][95] as most Taliban are Pashtun tribesmen.
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Taliban - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Stryder50]

Some select articles related, no guarantee they are fully objective though;
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What We Got Wrong in Afghanistan​

Military officers like me thought we were building a capable Afghan security force. What did we get wrong? Plenty.

By Mike Jason
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What We Got Wrong in Afghanistan

Military officers like me thought we were building a capable Afghan security force. What did we get wrong? Plenty.

www.theatlantic.com

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The Afghan Military Was Built Over 20 Years. How Did It Collapse So Quickly?​

The Taliban’s rapid advance has made clear that U.S. efforts to turn Afghanistan’s military into a robust, independent fighting force have failed, with its soldiers feeling abandoned by inept leaders.
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The Afghan Military Was Built Over 20 Years. How Did It Collapse So Quickly? (Published 2021)

The Taliban’s rapid advance has made clear that U.S. efforts to turn Afghanistan’s military into a robust, independent fighting force have failed, with its soldiers feeling abandoned by inept leaders.

www.nytimes.com

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‘Please pray for me’: female reporter being hunted by the Taliban tells her story​

A young female journalist describes the panic and fear of being forced into hiding as cities across Afghanistan fall
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‘Please pray for me’: female reporter being hunted by the Taliban tells her story

A young female journalist describes the panic and fear of being forced into hiding as cities across Afghanistan fall

www.theguardian.com

 

[bravoactual]

BREAKING!!.... we have Vice President Harris... Mrs. Vice President I have questions on Afghanistan, where your own Ambassador said this was avoidable, the Border collapse where your own Homeland Security Secretary is recorded as sating "we have lost the border".... Mrs. Harris??? Helloo???

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This is gonna be many times worse than Saigon!

The Orange Faced, Russian Loving, 5-Deferfment Draft Dodging, ***** Grabbing Traigtor spent Three Hundred Five (305) Days of miserable fours in the Oval Office golfing. Hundreds of Thousands of Americans dying of COVID and that fucked piece of shit spends hundreds of days ******* golfing.

As for the Traitor's "Plan", he agreed to the Taliban's demand that 5,000 Fighters be released .

President Trump's Disgraceful Peace Deal with the Taliban

The Afghanistan peace plan will strengthen the Taliban and make America less safe.

time.com

Now, one of fighters the Traitor had released is set to become the new leader Afghnistan.

At no time did the Traitor bother to bring the Afghan National Government to negoiating table. The Traitor howere did think it was a good idea to invite Taliban Leadership to Camp David for September 11th.

Mr. Biden did in fact attempt to end U.S. Military Invovlement back 2009. The Traitor wanted the Taliban at Camp David.

Dont blame Biden, he has only been in since January. but being Cons it is however expected.

 

[Dayton3]

The


The Orange Faced, Russian Loving, 5-Deferfment Draft Dodging, ***** Grabbing Traigtor spent Three Hundred Five (305) Days of miserable fours in the Oval Office golfing. Hundreds of Thousands of Americans dying of COVID and that fucked piece of shit spends hundreds of days ******* golfing.

Who cares. What difference did it make?

 

[easyt65]

The Orange Faced, Russian Loving, 5-Deferfment Draft Dodging, ***** Grabbing Traigtor spent Three Hundred Five (305) Days of miserable fours in the Oval Office golfing. Hundreds of Thousands of Americans dying of COVID and that fucked piece of shit spends hundreds of days ******* golfing.

The height of troop deployment to Afghanistan occurred under Obama-Biden. Most US casualties occurred under Obama-Biden.

"B...b...b...but Trump played Golf...."

Thank you for your unhinged, TDS-suffering, mentally-unstable, hate-driven rant that did absolutely NOTHING to detract from the fact that even the Main Stream Liberal Media is kicking Joe biden in the balls over this historic FAILURE of epic proportions.

 

[tahuyaman]

This is gonna be many times worse than Saigon!

It will. The withdrawl from Vietnam did not embolden and reconstitute Islamic terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda.

 

[ChristisKing]

So let me get this straight,.. the Taliban is terrorizing Afghanistan, we have two people (possibly more) in command of this country who don't care about the security of our borders and Biden is just taking it easy when there's a HUGE chance that we might have another 9/11? So, honest question now,.. if all that is true then why do people still support these idiots!?

 

[Stryder50]

For starting context of the current situation and past 40+ years of recent history;

Part 1
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The Soviet–Afghan War was a conflict wherein insurgent groups (known collectively as the Afghan mujahideen), as well as smaller Maoist groups, fought a nine-year guerrilla war against the Soviet Army and the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan government throughout the 1980s, mostly in the Afghan countryside. The Mujahideen were variously backed primarily by the United States, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, and the United Kingdom; the conflict was a Cold War-era proxy war. Between 562,000[48] and 2,000,000 Afghans were killed and millions more fled the country as refugees,[52][53][49][50] mostly to Pakistan and Iran. Between 6.5%–11.5% of Afghanistan's population is estimated to have perished in the conflict. The war caused grave destruction in Afghanistan and is believed to have contributed to the Soviet collapse and the end of the Cold War, in hindsight leaving a mixed legacy to people in both territories.[54][55]

The foundations of the conflict were laid by the Saur Revolution, a 1978 coup wherein Afghanistan's communist party took power, initiating a series of radical modernization and land reforms throughout the country. These reforms were deeply unpopular among the more traditional rural population and established power structures.[56] The repressive nature of the "Democratic Republic",[57] which vigorously suppressed opposition and executed thousands of political prisoners, led to the rise of anti-government armed groups; by April 1979, large parts of the country were in open rebellion.[58]

The communist party itself experienced deep internal rivalries between the Khalqists and Parchamites; in September 1979, People's Democratic Party General Secretary Nur Mohammad Taraki was assassinated under orders of the second-in-command, Hafizullah Amin, which soured relations with the Soviet Union. With fears rising that Amin was planning to switch sides to the United States,[59] the Soviet government, under leader Leonid Brezhnev, decided to deploy the 40th Army across the border on 24 December 1979.[60] Arriving in the capital Kabul, they staged a coup (Operation Storm-333),[61] killing General Secretary Amin and installing Soviet loyalist Babrak Karmal from the rival faction Parcham.[58] The Soviet invasion[nb 1] was based on the Brezhnev Doctrine.

In January 1980, foreign ministers from 34 nations of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation adopted a resolution demanding "the immediate, urgent and unconditional withdrawal of Soviet troops" from Afghanistan.[65] The UN General Assembly passed a resolution protesting the Soviet intervention by a vote of 104 (for) to 18 (against), with 18 abstentions and 12 members of the 152-nation Assembly absent or not participating in the vote;[65][66] only Soviet allies Angola, East Germany and Vietnam, along with India, supported the intervention.[67] Afghan insurgents began to receive massive amounts of support through aid, finance and military training in neighbouring Pakistan with significant help from the United States and United Kingdom.[68] They were also heavily financed by China and the Arab monarchies in the Persian Gulf.[69][15][70] [71] As documented by the National Security Archive, "the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) played a significant role in asserting U.S. influence in Afghanistan by funding military operations designed to frustrate the Soviet invasion of that country. CIA covert action worked through Pakistani intelligence services to reach Afghan rebel groups."[72] Soviet troops occupied the cities and main arteries of communication, while the Mujahideen waged guerrilla war in small groups operating in the almost 80 percent of the country that was outside government and Soviet control, almost exclusively[73] being the rugged, mountainous terrain of the countryside.[74][75] The Soviets used their air power to deal harshly with both rebels and civilians, levelling villages to deny safe haven to the Mujahideen, destroying vital irrigation ditches, and laying millions of land mines.[76][77][78][79]
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Soviet–Afghan War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of ocurse, this Wiki page goes on for some length ...

 

[Stryder50]

So let me get this straight,.. the Taliban is terrorizing Afghanistan, we have two people (possibly more) in command of this country who don't care about the security of our borders and Biden is just taking it easy when there's a HUGE chance that we might have another 9/11? So, honest question now,.. if all that is true then why do people still support these idiots!?

Idiots support idiots ... basic human nature

 

[the other mike]

Biden is a fraud and Democrats are scum.

The problem with this crisis is that it won't ever go away, it will probably only get worse as there are too many other nations with interests and sacrifices in Afghanistan to expect International media to ignore it.

It was an astounding miscalculation. That is to be blamed on those responsible for military intel. It's also a reminder why you want competence over pronoun chasers and political patsies.

When JFK was dealing with the Cuban Missile Crisis he purposely removed himself from the War Room for a day or two to allow others to debate and discuss the options. He stated that he didn't want to be there to influence anyones decision.

That is strong leadership. Put your countries security over partisanship hacks who might be swayed to impress or make inroads with you for their career. You want the right decision made, not just a decision that appeases some politically.

Time will tell on this decision, his comments regarding Taliban not being able to take back Afghanistan will go down as a massive blunder.

They really have to keep the official 9/11 narrative alive now. If the world finds out the whole story, the party's over.

 

[the other mike]

My 'no politics for a month' vow only lasted 3 days.

 

[Stryder50]

Part 2

The Wiki article/link above provides only part of the story. There is a more intriguing and complex part to relate.

It's contained in the book by George Crile, "Charlie Wilson's War" and I recommend the book over the movie. While the movie is entertaining, it only partially tells the full story and misses some of the essential details and nuances of the event. This short review/excerpt gives the gist;
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Charlie Wilson’s War​

The Extraordinary Story How the Wildest Man in Congress and a Rogue CIA Agent Changed the History of Our Times​

by George Crile
“Americans often ask: ‘Where have all the heroes gone?’ Well a lot of them come roaring through in this tour de force of reporting and writing. Tom Clancy’s fiction pales in comparison with the amazing, mesmerizing story told by George Crile. By resurrecting a missing chapter out of our recent past, Charlie Wilson’s War provides us with the key to understanding the present.” —Dan Rather
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About The Book​

George Crile’s New York Times best seller, Charlie Wilson’s War, is now a major motion picture starring Oscar winners Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts, and Philip Seymour Hoffman and directed by Oscar-winner Mike Nichols.

Hailed by The Seattle Times as “one of the most important books ever written about U.S. government covert operations,” Charlie Wilson’s War was a New York Times, Washington Post, and Los Angeles Times best seller when it was published in 2003. A major motion picture based on the book, released in December 2007, stars Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts, and Philip Seymour Hoffman, and is directed by Mike Nichols with a screenplay by Aaron Sorkin. To coincide with the film’s release, Grove Press has reissued George Crile’s bestselling book—the story of a whiskey-swilling, skirt-chasing, scandal-prone congressman from Texas, and how he conspired with a rogue CIA operative to launch the biggest and most successful covert operation in U.S. history.

In the early 1980s, a Houston socialite turned the attention of maverick Texas congressman Charlie Wilson to the ragged band of Afghan “freedom fighters” who continued, despite overwhelming odds, to fight the Soviet invaders. The congressman became passionate about their cause. At a time when Ronald Reagan faced a total cutoff of funding for the Contra war, Wilson, who sat on the all-powerful House Appropriations Committee, managed to procure hundreds of millions of dollars to support the mujahideen. The arms were secretly obtained and distributed with the help of an out-of-favor CIA operative, Gust Avrakotos, who handpicked a staff of CIA outcasts to run his operation and, with their help, continually stretched the Agency’s rules to the breaking point.

Moving from the back rooms of the Capitol to secret chambers at Langley, from arms dealers’ conventions to the Khyber Pass, Charlie Wilson’s War presents an astonishing chapter of our recent past, and the key to understanding what helped trigger the sudden collapse of the Soviet Union and ultimately led to the emergence of a brand-new foe in the form of radical Islam.
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Charlie Wilson's War | Grove Atlantic

The key to understanding what helped trigger the sudden collapse of the Soviet Union and ultimately led to the emergence of radical Islam.

groveatlantic.com

 

[the other mike]

In the case of Afghanistan, the Taliban are a creation of the fundamentalist Islamic 'Jihad" faction within Pakistan's ISI * and I would not be surprised if, once the purges and pogroms are done in Afghanistan, the conflict next moves back to the ideologically divided nation of Pakistan.

It ain't over folks.
This is just the beginning and start of the next phase, expansion.

*Inter-Services Intelligence - Wikipedia

We need to pull Russia in as an ally that way we would have everything boxed in between Israel, Russia Saudi Arabia and India. China is the X factor we can't control..... they're going to they're going to do whatever they do.

We used to have CIA monitoring Pakistan's nuclear activities but now it's next to impossible to get anybody in because of all our national security blunders.

 

[Dayton3]

So let me get this straight,.. the Taliban is terrorizing Afghanistan, we have two people (possibly more) in command of this country who don't care about the security of our borders and Biden is just taking it easy when there's a HUGE chance that we might have another 9/11? So, honest question now,.. if all that is true then why do people still support these idiots!?

Because Biden is not Trump. And tens of millions across the U.S. will support anyone as long as it isn't Donald Trump.

 

[B. Kidd]

We need to pull Russia in as an ally that way we would have everything boxed in between Israel, Russia Saudi Arabia and India. China is the X factor we can't control..... they're going to they're going to do whatever they do.

We used to have CIA monitoring Pakistan's nuclear activities but now it's next to impossible to get anybody in because of all our national security blunders.

Why would Russia want to be an ally after the Dimm's accused them of compromising Trump falsely for 3 years alleging he was a Russian asset?
Please stay away from Geo-Politics retard!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What didn't take long?

For one of you leftists to shift the blame to Trump even though he's been out of office for almost seven months.

"Folks, I know liberals like I know every inch of my glorious naked body."
Rush Limbaugh

 

[Stryder50]

Part 3

As we see, Democrat POTUS Carter's response was boycott the Olympic Games being held in the USSR, while the CIA began scrounging up all the Lee-Enfield .303 bolt action rifles and related ammo it could find. Part of Wilson's involvement originated in the increasing scarcity of Enfield rifles and their ammo, especially that the ammo cost on the international "arms markets" was rising in costs (price gouging).

As Wilson's concern for the mujahideen increased, especially images of them being slaughtered by Soviet Hind attack helicopters,

Mil Mi-24 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

... he also desired to see more modern and capable weapons into the hands of the mujahideen, especially anti-aircraft weapons ~ which eventually saw USA MANPADS Stingers;

FIM-92 Stinger - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, complications arose since everything had to go into Afghanistan through channels and routes in Pakistan and hence the involvement of the Paki ISI;

Inter-Services Intelligence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

By the end of the 1980s the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan and then several years of "civil war" ensued. Per usual performance, once the Soviets were out, the USA seems to have lost interest and desire to be involved there any longer. True to form, USA foreign policy once ago, to use an American football term, was playing for the next ten yard Down gain(short term goal), but not shooting for a scoring Touchdown at the goalposts(long term goal). Perhaps mostly because there was either no "goalpost" in mind, and/or such varied within the faction of USA Guv'mint.

Eventually the void in Afghanistan was filled by the winning Taliban faction, proxies of the fundamentalist Islamic "Jihad" faction within the Pakistani ISI.

USA interest in Afghanistan would renew just over a decade later in wake of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks by Al Qaeda which had found a "home" in Afghanistan thanks to the Taliban. This time, the USA would return and with our own military, but again with half-baked plans and fumbled operations, and as it seems no usual, logical, and enduring "End Game" to finally resolve the issues there.

To be honest, one major challenge is that issues in Afghanistan are linked to the religious and secure divisions within Pakistan which have that nation on the verge of it's own "civil war" between these two poles of political and ideological divide. Which is why the USA likely could never "win" in Afghanistan until defusing Pakistan, and why I expect that soon we will see the conflict shift back into Pakistan.

 

[the other mike]

Why would Russia want to be an ally after the Dimm's accused them of compromising Trump falsely for 3 years alleging he was a Russian asset?
Please stay away from Geo-Politics retard!

Lol.
Oh. Because the wizard-like success of our leadership has been so stunningly brilliant in the past 100 years.

A monkey and 2 Eskimos could have planned it out better.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I sure hope the Taliban doesn't capture the American flag.

No, I mean the real American flag -- the Homo Pride Flag this crew flies at embassies.