Zone1 Biblical Evidence of Adam and Eve and Noah's Flood

[toobfreak]

The age of the earth isn't important. If you have 8 billion now, that would happen if there was only about 4500 years of 6 people doubling over a period as indicated in the video.

The problem is that we don't know this is what really happened. The math was simply invented as a way of explaining how we got here in a 4500 year time frame. But the Earth is billions of years old and mankind has really been around for millions of years in some form, hundreds of thousands of years as Homo, so obviously, the math is wrong.

So I assume parts of the early Bible were metaphorical--- the creation of the Earth was not in six of our days but in six other time periods, and were Adam and Eve really the first humans? Possibly in some way, certainly the first in the records of the Bible, perhaps one of several times human global population has come down to a very few people. Remember that best we can tell, the book of Genesis was really written around 1400 BC.

 

[MarathonMike]

If you are right and humans have been around for millions of years, homosapiens for 50,000 to 250,000 years, then we should have trillions of people on the earth today. And, the fact that carbon is in the fossils should tell you the age secularists say is bogus due to half-life of carbon. Come on, let's see something...

The estimate of trillions of people on the Earth discounts the extremely harsh and dangerous conditions early humans would have faced. They could have been driven to the edge of extinction many times over, say, 250 thousand year period.

 

[Foxfyre]

Well, I'll save you a lot of trouble by telling you that while the stuff mentioned in the first 5 minutes may be true, there are other ways of arriving at the same data using different theories and explanations! Even science suggests that long ago, long before Noah, human population likely came to a low of perhaps 10,000 people, but not because of a flood, but due to disease, competition, and other environmental factors.

So without sitting for the entire thing, I would say the video supports the Bible while still /proving/ nothing. That is not a criticism, I'm just pointing out that when trying to prove something, we naturally select the stuff that supports our position while tending to reject anything which doesn't.

Which is why we are stuck with taking things on faith until we can meet with the big guns in Heaven and get the rest of the story.

So I respect those who believe Adam and Eve were literally the first human beings and walked the Earth just as is described in Genesis II.

And I respect those who take the Adam and Eve story as allegory to explain humankind's relationship with God and why things are the way they are.

And someday we may all meet in Heaven and have a good laugh when we find out how much of all this we got wrong.

 

[toobfreak]

If you are right and humans have been around for millions of years, homosapiens for 50,000 to 250,000 years, then we should have trillions of people on the earth today.

Quite wrong. All species populate based on a number of factors not the least of which is environmental pressure. Look at the jackrabbit, the way they multiply, you would think there would be trillions of them too, but they reach a ceiling population government by infant death due to disease, predation and food as well as hunting from other animals. As such, human population is probably nearing its peak and might never exceed 10 billion based simply on increases in disease, plagues, shortages of food, resources, war, and other environmental factors.

At 8 billion, we are ravaging our environment at a rate four times that from when we had 4 billion people, and that is the real problem, not CO2, EV cars or climate change.

 

[toobfreak]

Which is why we are stuck with taking things on faith until we can meet with the big guns in Heaven and get the rest of the story.

Only if you really think both the Bible and its accounting of history is the only true and accurate one. But then, that assumes that 40 different people who wrote the Bible, most of which did not know the others, over a 1500 year period, all got it right and recounted the real story while billions of others on Earth over a 7,000 - 10,000 year history all got is somehow wrong.

Personally, I think that is a rather fantastic assumption.

 

[Votto]

I suppose that is true. I can prove all kinds of things outside math class, but if the person you are proving it to does not understand the validity of your proof, no proof in the world will matter.

Especially when you don't want something to be true.

That is why the truth hurts all of us at some point and that is why the Word of God is referred to as a double edged sword.

 

[toobfreak]

Especially when you don't want something to be true.

Just how much of the CO2 data on climate change was created.

That is why the truth hurts all of us at some point and that is why the Word of God is referred to as a double edged sword.

The main sword being that the 40 authors of the books of the Bible were all men.

 

[Foxfyre]

Only if you really think both the Bible and its accounting of history is the only true and accurate one. But then, that assumes that 40 different people who wrote the Bible, most of which did not know the others, over a 1500 year period, all got it right and recounted the real story while billions of others on Earth over a 7,000 - 10,000 year history all got is somehow wrong.

Personally, I think that is a rather fantastic assumption.

How in the world did you surmise from my post that I think the Bible and its accounting of history is the only true and accurate one? Maybe you should read it again?

 

[Votto]

Just how much of the CO2 data on climate change was created.


The main sword being that the 40 authors of the books of the Bible were all men.

The Climate change issue drives me insane because, of course the climate is changing and always will change.

Also, every planet in the solar system is heating up as well. So what?

And yes, man plays a part but to what degree on earth?

The kicker is, if it was ever proved that man is destroying the earth, then what should be done about it that would actually help stop it that actually will do something? How do you prove that your solution is the solution, you can't. All that can be done is trust a group of pathological sociopaths with the IQ of AOC that you elected to "save you".

Democrats can stop global warming? They can't even figure out how to stop inflation or fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[toobfreak]

The kicker is, if it was ever proved that man is destroying the earth, then what should be done about it that would actually help stop it that actually will do something? Democrats can stop global warming? They can't even figure out how to stop inflation or fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

First they told us for years that EVs were the Earth's salvation, then they went after the top EV maker and tried to destroy the company because the CEO dared differ from them on mere politics!

So either the Left threw away Earth's last hope for salvation over politics or, they lied.

 

[Cougarbear]

The problem is that we don't know this is what really happened. The math was simply invented as a way of explaining how we got here in a 4500 year time frame. But the Earth is billions of years old and mankind has really been around for millions of years in some form, hundreds of thousands of years as Homo, so obviously, the math is wrong.

So I assume parts of the early Bible were metaphorical--- the creation of the Earth was not in six of our days but in six other time periods, and were Adam and Eve really the first humans? Possibly in some way, certainly the first in the records of the Bible, perhaps one of several times human global population has come down to a very few people. Remember that best we can tell, the book of Genesis was really written around 1400 BC.

You are correct. We have an account given to Moses through the Urim and Thummim given to him by God. The question is, did he just view the seer stones that came with the Urim and Thummim in a hat like Joseph Smith did for the Book of Mormon and Pearl of Great Price? Also possibly much of the Doctrine and Covenants. More on this in a moment.

The way you viewed the math is the opposite of how the person in the video did. Who is right? What was the shape of the earth in like were all the land mases together before Noah's flood? We weren't there for that either. We know that present day man isn't millions of years old or even several hundred thousands of years old. Carbon 14 dating would work because of the half-life of Carbon 14. But, the numbers do work for mankind starting with 6 people on the Arc. No guessing about the rest with that. Occam's Razor means the Noah Flood is correct.

LDS have much more information than the mainstream Christians and even Catholics and Orthodox Church. All through a Prophet of God comes the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the restitution of all knowledge of all things.

 

[Cougarbear]

The estimate of trillions of people on the Earth discounts the extremely harsh and dangerous conditions early humans would have faced. They could have been driven to the edge of extinction many times over, say, 250 thousand year period.

Yep, the fuzzy word "could." Of course, they could have survived well enough to have doubled like the video said, which isn't really that many when you review it.

 

[Cougarbear]

Quite wrong. All species populate based on a number of factors not the least of which is environmental pressure. Look at the jackrabbit, the way they multiply, you would think there would be trillions of them too, but they reach a ceiling population government by infant death due to disease, predation and food as well as hunting from other animals. As such, human population is probably nearing its peak and might never exceed 10 billion based simply on increases in disease, plagues, shortages of food, resources, war, and other environmental factors.

At 8 billion, we are ravaging our environment at a rate four times that from when we had 4 billion people, and that is the real problem, not CO2, EV cars or climate change.

Maybe. Maybe not. I tend to agree that recently in the past few decades we have become more like the mice in the Universe 25 experiments. We see this happening amongst the younger women especially. However, that is just now happening. So, the video conclusion is still a valid one.

 

[alang1216]

The age of the earth isn't important. If you have 8 billion now, that would happen if there was only about 4500 years of 6 people doubling over a period as indicated in the video.

What would happen if we had mice doubling EVERY year for 4500 years?

 

[Cougarbear]

What would happen if we had mice doubling EVERY year for 4500 years?

Just follow the information in the video and you would have about 8 billion now. By the way, you may be a mouse. But, I am not.

 

[alang1216]

Just follow the information in the video and you would have about 8 billion now. By the way, you may be a mouse. But, I am not.

A mouse that can do math better than you can.

 

[ding]

Slow down a bit and think of ways to ask the big questions in a way that doesn't cause them to pull in their horns.
I would invite him into a discussion on Carbon dating, due to his offer of disproving it.

You pretty obviously understand how to make an ass of him over that debate. Yes?

And now, just think of all the truths at your command if you only dare to expose them! Isn't that a whole lot better than trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear?

I don't take advice from trolls. Especially ones that aren't very good at their craft. Be better.

 

[ding]

The age of the earth isn't important. If you have 8 billion now, that would happen if there was only about 4500 years of 6 people doubling over a period as indicated in the video.

That's an idiotic way of looking at it. You have to look at birth rates and death rates.

I asked what the age of the earth is because I wanted to know just how stupid you are. Apparently you know your anser is dumb which is why you didn't provide it.

Earth is approximately 4 billion years old. The first anatomically modern humans, or Homo sapiens, emerged on Earth approximately 300,000 years ago. While earlier hominids like Homo erectus existed earlier, these are considered to be distinct species, and Homo sapiens are the only surviving hominid specie

 

[ding]

that would happen if there was only about 4500 years of 6 people doubling over a period as indicated in the video.

So you believe the Earth is 4,500 years old, right?

 

[Donald H]

That's an idiotic way of looking at it. You have to look at birth rates and death rates.

I asked what the age of the earth is because I wanted to know just how stupid you are. Apparently you know your anser is dumb which is why you didn't provide it.

Earth is approximately 4 billion years old. The first anatomically modern humans, or Homo sapiens, emerged on Earth approximately 300,000 years ago. While earlier hominids like Homo erectus existed earlier, these are considered to be distinct species, and Homo sapiens are the only surviving hominid specie

Well said and nearly 100% correct. Just don't let your church catch you saying that!