Best way to "judge" the U.S. pulling out of Syria......

[OldLady]

At the local diner this a.m. I wasn't close enough to the tv to hear what was being said but it was reported there were resignations over Trump's decision to pull out of Syria. A top diplomat, maybe? And who else? It was resignationS.

Anyone know?

Brett McGurk, the main U.S. diplomat tasked with keeping the international anti-ISIS coalition together.

So I'm guessing plural "resignations" must be referring to Mattis, although Mattis never said that.

 

[nat4900]

Why do you want WWIII?[/QUOTE]


Stop pulling such moronic conclusions out of your ass.....Please....

 

[Oddball]

Besides the Trump cultists rejoicing that Trump is pulling out all of our troops from Syria, look who else is extremely happy over the decision:

Russia (Putin) is overjoyed
ISIS will soon resuscitate and couldn't be happier
Turkey (Erdogan) will have a field day attacking the Syrian Kurds
Iran's (Mullahs) could not agree more with Trump's decision
Hezbollah will be sending a dozen roses to the oval office

Always judge the company and alliances that Trump makes through his moronic decisions.

(I will say, however, that from Trump's perspective, this is a great diversion from his MANY domestic problems.)

Yet another moonbat warmonger comes crawling out of the woodwork.

Next thing you know, these chumps will be extolling the many virtues of the Bush family!

 

[eagle1462010]

1. Protect the Kurds from being slaughtered by the Turks

And how long do we stay to ensure that problem goes away...............are you prepared to create a nation of Kurdishstan........and ensure a War with Turkey.......and probably Iran, Iraq, Syria, for doing so..............Are you prepared to pull our forces out of Turkey and kick Turkey out of NATO...............guaranteeing an alliance between Turkey and Russia in the Middle East............which would give Russia a deep water Capital Naval Base in Turkey.........and we would lose control of the choke point to the Black Sea...........

In a nut shell are you prepared to go to War with Turkey for the Kurds.........Pony up to the mic and say it loud and clearly......because you are asking for a new war and decades more time in the Middle East..........

2. Prevent the rebirth of ISIS by having some base in eastern Syria

ISIS is dead..........if they can't finish off 2000 starving troops ill supplied in the caves they deserve what they get..........ISIS purpose was to Start WWIII.......and die in the process........To force a War between the east and West........Your stupidity might just eventually do that......................

ISIS is a Hydra..........tomorrow another head will grow.......under a new name.........like it always does over there........a new boogey man in a area of insanity...............we can only hope to contain them.........and kill them without long drawn out wars of occupation over there...............

3. To not allow Russia and Iran from having a free hand in annexing Syria.

You need a lesson in History..............they have been there since WWII............it is not our land....and why would I want to fight for that stinking desert..........let them have it........it is cursed for ages........our mission was always to fight terrorism.......and suddenly you are concerned with Iran as in the past you praised Obama for the agreement that didn't do diddly squat on their terrorists ambitions and funding........

Now that has caused a War in Yemen via Paramilitary Iranian forces in Yemen...........where the people there are dying in droves and starvation as a result.................How was that policy the right one when millions are now dying there without hardly a peep from the press on it...........That started under Obama and from the Sunni Versus Shia proxy wars from the shift of power in the region.

Why the **** do we have tens of thousands of troops in Japan, Germany and South Korea???..............Is THAT a "love of war"???

And how many of these are conducting combat missions every day there.............NONE.........you compare apples to oranges................because you are a TDS lunatic..................

People like you are not to be listened to...........You are deranged..........and if we listen to you it will quite possibly cause WWIII....................and even then your dumb ass would still say we are kissing Putins..........butt.........

Take your TDS and endless wars in the Middle East and shove them up your ass Gnat.

 

[Care4all]

here is my concern,

our alleged leader, never seeks wise advice, he's knee jerk, undiplomatic, and causes chaos, and uses things like this at a whim to get the topic off of his own criminal woes in the news... THAT is NOT good for America, the USA... imo.


Proverbs 12:15
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to advice.

Proverbs 11:14
Where there is no guidance, a people falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety.

Proverbs 15:22
Without counsel plans fail, but with many advisers they succeed.

Proverbs 19:20-21
Listen to advice and accept instruction, that you may gain wisdom in the future. Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.

 

[eagle1462010]

here is my concern,

our alleged leader, never seeks wise advice, he's knee jerk, undiplomatic, and causes chaos, and uses things like this at a whim to get the topic off of his own criminal woes in the news... THAT is NOT good for America, the USA... imo.


Proverbs 12:15
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to advice.

Proverbs 11:14
Where there is no guidance, a people falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety.

Proverbs 15:22
Without counsel plans fail, but with many advisers they succeed.

Proverbs 19:20-21
Listen to advice and accept instruction, that you may gain wisdom in the future. Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.

And what is their advice..........permanent base in Syria to protect the kurds.................endless War.........

Now tell me the significance of Islamic Prophecy and Syria..................and why ISIS chose the place in the first place......

Know thy enemy........is to understand what they believe.......doesn't matter whether or not we believe it or not........ISIS had a goal.............we screw up there their goal will be realized...............2000 ISIS aren't the problem now.

 

[eagle1462010]

At the local diner this a.m. I wasn't close enough to the tv to hear what was being said but it was reported there were resignations over Trump's decision to pull out of Syria. A top diplomat, maybe? And who else? It was resignationS.

Anyone know?

Mattis probably............others maybe........It is probably over the Kurds and FSA..........In Mattis resignation he stated his issues over NATO members......and allies..............NATO in the region would have to be Turkey...........which would lead me to think the idlib problem and FSA.............who's purpose was to overthrow Assad.........same as Turkey...............

However, since Trump took office the stategy of overthrowing Assad has changed..........and clearly the old goal was to remove Assad...........now you have remnants of forces there to overthrow Assad caught in the meat grinder of Syria in Idlib.........Turkey not wanting them........Syria not wanting them.....and tensions of a possible battle on the Turkish border over the remnants.........

Catch 22's all over the place in the quicksand of the Middle East where everyone one is fighting everyone there using Syria as the arena.................it's always been that way there for ages...........and the best laid plans have always failed there whether it was the British and French after the Ottoman Empire fell or now...................

Anyone who says they have the answers there to the nightmare of opposing sides is a fool..........because no one really knows how to escape the insanity of the region..........

To stay is insanity.......to leave is insanity.........back the kurds and piss off the Turks.......back the Turks and piss off the Kurds......

Honestly there is NO EXIT Strategy that has a snow balls chance in hell of succeeding.......History repeats itself.............

I agree that once in there and taking any side, getting out is going to be unpopular with someone. I think the reason McGurk quit was that Trump apparently didn't go to the coalition first. We had huge support fighting ISIS and we led the charge. It would have been nice if Trump at least gave them the tip of the hat before flipping them all the bird and saying we were out.

Those discussions are classified unless released via E.O. it is very likely those discussions did take place and there were serious disagreements.............I'd imagine the top concerns had nothing to do with ISIS........but Idlib and the Kurds.

 

[nat4900]

Turkey's Erdogan wanted the cleric, Gullen, (who is residing in the U.S. and is a strong critic of the despot, Erdogan) to be sent back to Turkey to be killed.....

Erdogan's leverage was the continuing criticism of Trump and Kushner buddy, MBS of Saudi .........

Not even Trump could send Gullen back without having a domestic revolution...........BUT, he offered Erdogan an alternative.....

Trump offered Erdogan FREE REIN to obliterate the Kurds who threaten, Erdogan evil regime by wanting the establishment of a Kurdistan.

 

[Olde Europe]

So I'm guessing plural "resignations" must be referring to Mattis, although Mattis never said that.

Mattis said he will "step down" in February - see his resignation letter.

 

[gipper]

Why do you want WWIII?[/QUOTE]


Stop pulling such moronic conclusions out of your ass.....Please....

Why do you support war?

 

[eagle1462010]

Turkey's Erdogan wanted the cleric, Gullen, (who is residing in the U.S. and is a strong critic of the despot, Erdogan) to be sent back to Turkey to be killed.....

Erdogan's leverage was the continuing criticism of Trump and Kushner buddy, MBS of Saudi .........

Not even Trump could send Gullen back without having a domestic revolution...........BUT, he offered Erdogan an alternative.....

Trump offered Erdogan FREE REIN to obliterate the Kurds who threaten, Erdogan evil regime in wanting the establishment of a Kurdistan.

I'm supposed to believe that you were privy to classified meetings.......LOL

Erdogan is a POS.........I've always known that............and while we know that the Turks hate the Kurds............we don't know if in that meeting someone didn't put a gun to Erdogen's head and said if you go in and kill the Kurds we will pull out of Turkey ..........throw you out of NATO.........and beat your ass into the ground like a tent stake.

Now that is pure speculation .......an assumption which makes an ass out of you and me............

Go back and answer my questions are weren't they clear enough to you.

 

[nat4900]

And what is their advice..........permanent base in Syria to protect the kurds.................endless War.........

Bullshit.........We are NOT ******* talking about US troops in Syria "fighting an endless war"..............

Since we've had troops in NE Syria........FIVE US casualties have been reported....and 3 of those unfortunate deaths were in NON=combat situations.

 

[Oddball]

 

[eagle1462010]

And what is their advice..........permanent base in Syria to protect the kurds.................endless War.........

Bullshit.........We are NOT ******* talking about US troops in Syria "fighting an endless war"..............

Since we've had troops in NE Syria........FIVE US casualties have been reported....and 3 of those unfortunate deaths were in NON=combat situations.

Tell me about the FSA and Kurds and that situation...........idlib problem.........

We have 2000 troops there in assistance to mainly air strikes..................that mission was to kill ISIS and they are pretty much dead.

Now you keep bitching about Turkey.....I don't like them much either..............but Mattis was specific about NATO allies in his resignation letter................given that this just happened.........it had to mean Turkey.......my best guess....

Which means to me that Trump pissed in their cornflakes during this process over something.........probably idlib saying you put them there...........they are your problem..........That would be El Nusra, and FSA elements whose sole purpose was to overthrow Assad..........Now they are in No MAN'S LAND........and both Turkey and Syria have been threatening each other to possible War there over it....................or have you been asleep at the wheel..........

What are you prepared to do...............instead of your ENDLESS TDS RANT......

Mic drop.

 

[gipper]

So I'm guessing plural "resignations" must be referring to Mattis, although Mattis never said that.

Mattis said he will "step down" in February - see his resignation letter.

Good riddance! If only all warmongers would step down, what wonderful world it would be.

 

[Lesh]

Besides the Trump cultists rejoicing that Trump is pulling out all of our troops from Syria, look who else is extremely happy over the decision:

Russia (Putin) is overjoyed
ISIS will soon resuscitate and couldn't be happier
Turkey (Erdogan) will have a field day attacking the Syrian Kurds
Iran's (Mullahs) could not agree more with Trump's decision
Hezbollah will be sending a dozen roses to the oval office

Always judge the company and alliances that Trump makes through his moronic decisions.

(I will say, however, that from Trump's perspective, this is a great diversion from his MANY domestic problems.)

Erdogan told Trump to get out...so we're getting out.

Brilliant

 

[nat4900]

Defend your orange clown all you want, Trump cult members......Just bear in mind that:

Russia
Turkey
Iran
....and Hezbollah............THANK YOU

Remember that YOU are the same nitwits that tried to crucify Obama over the pulling our troops from Iraq.........AND, its reported that under Trump, we have returned over 9,000 troops throughout Iraq..

 

[Oddball]

Defend your orange clown all you want, Trump cult members......Just bear in mind that:

Russia
Turkey
Iran
....and Hezbollah............THANK YOU

Remember that YOU are the same nitwits that tried to crucify Obama over the pulling our troops from Iraq.........AND, its reported that under Trump, we have returned over 9,000 troops throughout Iraq..

And you're the same nitwit who shoved your head up Boiking's ass, no matter how many ME wars he intervened and meddled in.

Yet another moonbat who completely lacks self-awareness.

 

[eagle1462010]

Defend your orange clown all you want, Trump cult members......Just bear in mind that:

Russia
Turkey
Iran
....and Hezbollah............THANK YOU

Remember that YOU are the same nitwits that tried to crucify Obama over the pulling our troops from Iraq.........AND, its reported that under Trump, we have returned over 9,000 troops throughout Iraq..

Turkey is Sunni...............Wanted Shia Assad dead.........derp.
Iran is Shia...........wanted Assad alive..........derp.
Russia backs Shia to be a thorn in our side, for a Naval Base, and to sell weapons for money......derp.

This has been a Shia versus Sunni Civil War.

Now back to your regularily scheduled TDS outbursts.

 

[gipper]

Why do you want WWIII?[/QUOTE]


Stop pulling such moronic conclusions out of your ass.....Please....

This is my Christmas present to you Natty. Please accept it graciously. My sincere hope is you will learn something...anything. Merry Christmas!