Best way to "judge" the U.S. pulling out of Syria......

[ekrem]

Once we are gone and out of sight, the Kurds won't have as much manpower available, and they will more than likely turn those 3,000 ISIL fighters loose.

Hand the prisoners over to Assad. Don't dramatize the situation.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What right wingers need to realize it is NOT neo-warm-mongering by the left......

....and whenever right wingers state that, "we have no business there [or anywhere]" then you should consider what the heck are we doing in Germany, Italy, South Korea, etc.??..........We have bases in over 150 countries all over the planet.

The difference with Syria is simple:

a. we have NOT defeated ISIS (you can defeat an army but NOT an ideology.)
b. We are abandoning one of the few decent allies there ...the Kurds.....leaving them to be slaughtered by the Turk and Iranis.
c. We have left a ME country all in the hands of the Russians and Iranians.

LOL

Progressives are consistent in their war mongering: Obama good, Orange Man Bad

 

[eagle1462010]

Once we are gone and out of sight, the Kurds won't have as much manpower available, and they will more than likely turn those 3,000 ISIL fighters loose.

Hand the prisoners over to Assad. Don't dramatize the situation.

He could hand them over to Jordan where they will remember that they burned one of their pilots alive in a cage.............

 

[pismoe]

seems like our Saudi allies and their leader 'MSB' are sending troops to fight for and to protect and support 'kurds' from 'islamic state' and the 'turks' . If so , why are USA Troops needed to protect and fight for the 'kurds' eh ??

--------------------------------------------------------- and a link to what the USA and our Saudi and UAE Allies are doing for the 'kurds' . --- Saudi Arabia, UAE send troops to support Kurds in Syria ---

 

[kyzr]

What right wingers need to realize it is NOT neo-warm-mongering by the left......

....and whenever right wingers state that, "we have no business there [or anywhere]" then you should consider what the heck are we doing in Germany, Italy, South Korea, etc.??..........We have bases in over 150 countries all over the planet.

The difference with Syria is simple:
a. we have NOT defeated ISIS (you can defeat an army but NOT an ideology.)
b. We are abandoning one of the few decent allies there ...the Kurds.....leaving them to be slaughtered by the Turk and Iranis.
c. We have left a ME country all in the hands of the Russians and Iranians.

Ok, riddle me this:
a) Can you ever defeat terrorism such as ISIS, Al Qaeda, or any of the other SN terror groups?
b) Can our 2,000 soldiers in Syria really prevent Turkey from doing anything it wants to do?
c) Would the US/NATO want to oust Assad and Russia to rebuild Syria like Iraq?

If the answers to those is "NO", then why are we wasting money we don't have and US lives there? The best option is to declare victory, tell Erdogan not to **** with the Kurds or the next coup won't fail, and bring the 2,000 troops home.

1. YES, you can defeat an ideology with a BETTER ideology....Right now we are dealing with 80% unemployment among young Syrian males with nothing to do but hate those their fucked up leaders tell them to hate.....(and Syria has imported thousands of like-minded young men from other countries.....including the U.S>)

2. YES, even a few hundred of our special forces troops in Syria will prevent the genocide that may indeed happen as Turkey's Erdogan wants to obliterate a possible Kurdistan once and for all........Turkey is been part of NATO for almost 70 years and eve with a despot leading that country it would NOT dare directly killing a U.S. soldier.

3. TOO LATE.....for that. Assad is a Putin puppet (like you know who) and Russia....that now has a warm water port for its navy is ecstatic.......Russia may not have the money to rebuild Syria......but the slow establishment of a NEW soviet union just became easier for them, thanks to this idiot in the oval office.

Trump has royally pissed off the Pentagon.

1. Let me know when you have the terror groups converted to your better ideology. IMHO they are hard-wired to be terrorists by their twisted religious sects.
2. If you think that a few hundred troops can stop Turkey, we are not talking turkey. We need an understanding with Erdogan, a quid pro quo of sorts, what happens if he goes after the Kurds.
3. Russia had the Tartus port since 1971, so Russia is not celebrating anything new, especially a new Soviet Union.
Russian naval facility in Tartus - Wikipedia

Let the Pentagon be pissed. They fight where they' re told, and they win where they fight, period.
The pentagon needs to be leashed in every so often. If Trump wants his new space force, we can't waste money all over the world in shit-hole countries like Syria and AFG. We have Putin, NK, and China to deal with and have no money to spare.

 

[Olde Europe]

And no, Trump is wrong, ISIL hasn't been defeated yet.

Kurdish-led forces 'may not be able to contain ISIL prisoners'

Yep, and they will open Pandora's Box, and a can of worms, too.

I mean, really, I understand Kurds lobbying for U.S. troops remaining in the region, along with Britons, Germans and French. So, they exert pressure, at least try, every which way they can. Taking it at face value is inadvisable.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Well, one of the possible results of the pull out is that the Kurds (the people we were helping), are saying that they will no longer be able to hold ISIL prisoners, and may end up releasing them.

Trump bitched about Obama, and said that he founded ISIL when we pulled out of Iraq. Only problem is, now that Trump is pulling our troops out of Syria, the Kurds may end up releasing around 3,000 ISIL troops.

That will mean that Trump would be responsible for the reformation of ISIL because of the Syrian pullout.

And no, Trump is wrong, ISIL hasn't been defeated yet.

Kurdish-led forces 'may not be able to contain ISIL prisoners'

Ilham Ahmed of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) warned that the Trump administration's decision to withdraw all of its forces would have dangerous repercussions and a destabilising effect on the entire region.


"Under the threat of the Turkish state, and with the possibility of Daesh (ISIL) reviving once again, I fear the situation will go out of control and we no longer be able to contain them," Ahmed said at a news conference in Paris on Friday when asked if the SDF was considering releasing hundreds of ISIL detainees.


On Thursday, The New York Times reported that the SDF had discussed releasing almost 3,200 local and foreign ISIL prisoners.

Once we are gone and out of sight..........that equation will change..........count on it.

Once we are gone and out of sight, the Kurds won't have as much manpower available, and they will more than likely turn those 3,000 ISIL fighters loose.

If we aren't there to keep them tame.........they will not escape with their lives...........The Kurds know what they are..............

They're also smart enough and experienced enough in their dealings with us to know we often turn away from our promises when it becomes expedient to do so. We aren't to be trusted and it doesn't matter in the least which party is in control.

 

[pismoe]

WHY are any 'islamic state' isis , isil ever taken prisoner .

 

[eagle1462010]

Well, one of the possible results of the pull out is that the Kurds (the people we were helping), are saying that they will no longer be able to hold ISIL prisoners, and may end up releasing them.

Trump bitched about Obama, and said that he founded ISIL when we pulled out of Iraq. Only problem is, now that Trump is pulling our troops out of Syria, the Kurds may end up releasing around 3,000 ISIL troops.

That will mean that Trump would be responsible for the reformation of ISIL because of the Syrian pullout.

And no, Trump is wrong, ISIL hasn't been defeated yet.

Kurdish-led forces 'may not be able to contain ISIL prisoners'

Ilham Ahmed of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) warned that the Trump administration's decision to withdraw all of its forces would have dangerous repercussions and a destabilising effect on the entire region.


"Under the threat of the Turkish state, and with the possibility of Daesh (ISIL) reviving once again, I fear the situation will go out of control and we no longer be able to contain them," Ahmed said at a news conference in Paris on Friday when asked if the SDF was considering releasing hundreds of ISIL detainees.


On Thursday, The New York Times reported that the SDF had discussed releasing almost 3,200 local and foreign ISIL prisoners.

Once we are gone and out of sight..........that equation will change..........count on it.

Once we are gone and out of sight, the Kurds won't have as much manpower available, and they will more than likely turn those 3,000 ISIL fighters loose.

If we aren't there to keep them tame.........they will not escape with their lives...........The Kurds know what they are..............

They're also smart enough and experienced enough in their dealings with us to know we often turn away from our promises when it becomes expedient to do so. We aren't to be trusted and it doesn't matter in the least which party is in control.

They are also smart enough to know that we will not stay there forever.........In Afghanistan we've been there for 17 years...........

And without our support they were fighting in the mountains of Northern Iraq and not Syria...........We helped them fight off the wolves there........there are 2 sides to every story.............and the Middle East is famous for utter chaos...............

 

[Ambivalent1]

Well, one of the possible results of the pull out is that the Kurds (the people we were helping), are saying that they will no longer be able to hold ISIL prisoners, and may end up releasing them.

Trump bitched about Obama, and said that he founded ISIL when we pulled out of Iraq. Only problem is, now that Trump is pulling our troops out of Syria, the Kurds may end up releasing around 3,000 ISIL troops.

That will mean that Trump would be responsible for the reformation of ISIL because of the Syrian pullout.

And no, Trump is wrong, ISIL hasn't been defeated yet.

Kurdish-led forces 'may not be able to contain ISIL prisoners'

Ilham Ahmed of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) warned that the Trump administration's decision to withdraw all of its forces would have dangerous repercussions and a destabilising effect on the entire region.


"Under the threat of the Turkish state, and with the possibility of Daesh (ISIL) reviving once again, I fear the situation will go out of control and we no longer be able to contain them," Ahmed said at a news conference in Paris on Friday when asked if the SDF was considering releasing hundreds of ISIL detainees.


On Thursday, The New York Times reported that the SDF had discussed releasing almost 3,200 local and foreign ISIL prisoners.

Once we are gone and out of sight..........that equation will change..........count on it.

Once we are gone and out of sight, the Kurds won't have as much manpower available, and they will more than likely turn those 3,000 ISIL fighters loose.

If we aren't there to keep them tame.........they will not escape with their lives...........The Kurds know what they are..............

They're also smart enough and experienced enough in their dealings with us to know we often turn away from our promises when it becomes expedient to do so. We aren't to be trusted and it doesn't matter in the least which party is in control.

They are also smart enough to know that we will not stay there forever.........In Afghanistan we've been there for 17 years...........

And without our support they were fighting in the mountains of Northern Iraq and not Syria...........We helped them fight off the wolves there........there are 2 sides to every story.............and the Middle East is famous for utter chaos...............

They get hammered every time we leave a place. We have a nasty habit of not finishing what we start.

 

[pismoe]

Saudis and UAE are supposed to be helping out the 'kurds' Ambivalent .

 

[nat4900]

Russia had the Tartus port since 1971, so Russia is not celebrating anything new, especially a new Soviet Union.

LOL
Syria: Putin welcomes Trump's decision to pull out US troops | Syria ...

Putin praises Trump's Syria withdrawal, claims Russia's military ...

Putin Welcomes U.S. Withdrawal From Syria as 'Correct' - The New ...

 

[nat4900]

Well, right wingers, any day now Trump will decide to pull all of our troops from South Korea......and, of course, you will cheer, no???

 

[ABikerSailor]

Once we are gone and out of sight, the Kurds won't have as much manpower available, and they will more than likely turn those 3,000 ISIL fighters loose.

Hand the prisoners over to Assad. Don't dramatize the situation.

Post 15 has a link about this situation. And yes, the SDF is saying that if we pull out, they won't have the manpower to keep the prisoners, and will release them.

Besides........................do you REALLY think that Assad is interested in helping out the Kurds?

 

[kyzr]

Russia had the Tartus port since 1971, so Russia is not celebrating anything new, especially a new Soviet Union.

LOL
Syria: Putin welcomes Trump's decision to pull out US troops | Syria ...

Putin praises Trump's Syria withdrawal, claims Russia's military ...

Putin Welcomes U.S. Withdrawal From Syria as 'Correct' - The New ...

So Putin likes Trump's decision to pull out of Syria, so what?
We were not there to kick the Russians and Assad out of Syria, so WTF is the problem leaving that shit-hole to Putin?
We need to handle NK, China, and Russia, so Syria and AFG can stew in their own juices.
The Kurds can take care of themselves.

 

[eagle1462010]

Once we are gone and out of sight, the Kurds won't have as much manpower available, and they will more than likely turn those 3,000 ISIL fighters loose.

Hand the prisoners over to Assad. Don't dramatize the situation.

Post 15 has a link about this situation. And yes, the SDF is saying that if we pull out, they won't have the manpower to keep the prisoners, and will release them.

Besides........................do you REALLY think that Assad is interested in helping out the Kurds?

They will accidentally come up missing........

 

[Ambivalent1]

Saudis and UAE are supposed to be helping out the 'kurds' Ambivalent .

Let's see how that works out for them.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Russia had the Tartus port since 1971, so Russia is not celebrating anything new, especially a new Soviet Union.

LOL
Syria: Putin welcomes Trump's decision to pull out US troops | Syria ...

Putin praises Trump's Syria withdrawal, claims Russia's military ...

Putin Welcomes U.S. Withdrawal From Syria as 'Correct' - The New ...

So Putin likes Trump's decision to pull out of Syria, so what?
We were not there to kick the Russians and Assad out of Syria, so WTF is the problem leaving that shit-hole to Putin?
We need to handle NK, China, and Russia, so Syria and AFG can stew in their own juices.
The Kurds can take care of themselves.

Turkey and Russia BOTH like the thought of the US pulling out. Turkey considers the people we are allied with (the Kurds), to be terrorists. If we pull out of Syria, Turkey then has free reign to go after the Kurds.

 

[kyzr]

Well, right wingers, any day now Trump will decide to pull all of our troops from South Korea......and, of course, you will cheer, no???

If SK is paying to keep the US troops there its not a bad deal. SK built us a nice new base, it would be a shame to leave.
U.S. forces chief says South Korea paid for 90 percent of biggest overseas base | Reuters

We should reduce costs wherever it makes sense.

 

[kyzr]

Russia had the Tartus port since 1971, so Russia is not celebrating anything new, especially a new Soviet Union.

LOL
Syria: Putin welcomes Trump's decision to pull out US troops | Syria ...

Putin praises Trump's Syria withdrawal, claims Russia's military ...

Putin Welcomes U.S. Withdrawal From Syria as 'Correct' - The New ...

So Putin likes Trump's decision to pull out of Syria, so what?
We were not there to kick the Russians and Assad out of Syria, so WTF is the problem leaving that shit-hole to Putin?
We need to handle NK, China, and Russia, so Syria and AFG can stew in their own juices.
The Kurds can take care of themselves.

Turkey and Russia BOTH like the thought of the US pulling out. Turkey considers the people we are allied with (the Kurds), to be terrorists. If we pull out of Syria, Turkey then has free reign to go after the Kurds.

Right before Trump announced his decision to pull out of Syria he had a phone call with Erdogan. I assume the Kurds were discussed, and protected.