BEST argument I've ever heard from a left winger!

[daveman]

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"Ashamed Republican" Is An Embarrassed Democrat (Wizbang)

That is very interesting.

The liberals have no shame.

And how stupid the fake Republican has to be not to even consider the possibility that, in this day and age, he would be promptly exposed as the liberal Democrat piece of shit fraud he really is.

Doesn't speak well for his intelligence, does it?

Have you ever noticed that liberals who troll boards as conservatives are outed immediately, but conservatives have successfully posed as liberals on lib boards for years?

 

[toxicmedia]

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"Ashamed Republican" Is An Embarrassed Democrat (Wizbang)

That is very interesting.

The liberals have no shame.

And how stupid the fake Republican has to be not to even consider the possibility that, in this day and age, he would be promptly exposed as the liberal Democrat piece of shit fraud he really is.

Doesn't speak well for his intelligence, does it?

Have you ever noticed that liberals who troll boards as conservatives are outed immediately, but conservatives have successfully posed as liberals on lib boards for years?

The problem here Daveman is that people like Eisenhower, Goldwater, Reagan, and both Bush's would be considered liberal trolls posing as conservatives on sites like these...if they posted on this site.

The once mighty and moral GOP has been co-opted by Christian social conservatives. If you're not that.....they call you a liberal commie socialist.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Ok. So a friend of mine is a bit of a leftie. And we all met today to do our NFL fantasy football roundup. And of course, after that and pizza, politics came up. And he is a staunch Obama supporter. He said of course the Tea Party was evil, blamed Bush for the mess we're in, then offered one whopper of an idea. Wanna hear it?

He said if only the right wing would get out of the way, Obama could fix the country and have 0% unemployment. Thats right. ZERO % unemployment. How, I asked? He says....

"The government can do two things: Hire people, and print money. There is so much that needs to be done, the government can just hire everyone who is unemployed, give them a role, and print the money to pay them. There would be no unemployment and no poverty. Of course, the Tea Party would vote to block it because for some reason they like people struggling."



How could I not have thought of that myself??????????

Of course. Just hire everyone, and print the money to pay them. No more poverty, no more unemployment!!!!!!

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

Of course, inflation would be so high that the money the government would print, plus what real wage earners make, would be worth absolutey nothing. We would be like what Germany was after World War One, which gave rise to Hitler. Is that what you want America to be like?

The response I would expect is "So what? At least these people will be working!!!"
Make work projects paid for with unfunded obligations is a sure fire way to end any chance of economic recovery.

 

[auditor0007]

Ok. So a friend of mine is a bit of a leftie. And we all met today to do our NFL fantasy football roundup. And of course, after that and pizza, politics came up. And he is a staunch Obama supporter. He said of course the Tea Party was evil, blamed Bush for the mess we're in, then offered one whopper of an idea. Wanna hear it?

He said if only the right wing would get out of the way, Obama could fix the country and have 0% unemployment. Thats right. ZERO % unemployment. How, I asked? He says....

"The government can do two things: Hire people, and print money. There is so much that needs to be done, the government can just hire everyone who is unemployed, give them a role, and print the money to pay them. There would be no unemployment and no poverty. Of course, the Tea Party would vote to block it because for some reason they like people struggling."

How could I not have thought of that myself??????????

Of course. Just hire everyone, and print the money to pay them. No more poverty, no more unemployment!!!!!!

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

Nice "story". So, you are going to admit to hanging out with a bunch of dipshits? Those you associate with tell a story about who you are.

 

[Liability]

That is very interesting.

The liberals have no shame.

And how stupid the fake Republican has to be not to even consider the possibility that, in this day and age, he would be promptly exposed as the liberal Democrat piece of shit fraud he really is.

Doesn't speak well for his intelligence, does it?

Have you ever noticed that liberals who troll boards as conservatives are outed immediately, but conservatives have successfully posed as liberals on lib boards for years?

The problem here Daveman is that people like Eisenhower, Goldwater, Reagan, and both Bush's would be considered liberal trolls posing as conservatives on sites like these...if they posted on this site.

The once mighty and moral GOP has been co-opted by Christian social conservatives. If you're not that.....they call you a liberal commie socialist.

The GOP has not been co-opted by the so-called social conservatives at all.

And only very few asshats claim that you are a socialist if you're not a "social" conservative.

You make grandiose sweeping statements that have no meaningful truth value.

 

[thereisnospoon]

That is very interesting.

The liberals have no shame.

And how stupid the fake Republican has to be not to even consider the possibility that, in this day and age, he would be promptly exposed as the liberal Democrat piece of shit fraud he really is.

Doesn't speak well for his intelligence, does it?

Have you ever noticed that liberals who troll boards as conservatives are outed immediately, but conservatives have successfully posed as liberals on lib boards for years?

The problem here Daveman is that people like Eisenhower, Goldwater, Reagan, and both Bush's would be considered liberal trolls posing as conservatives on sites like these...if they posted on this site.

The once mighty and moral GOP has been co-opted by Christian social conservatives. If you're not that.....they call you a liberal commie socialist.

"The once mighty and moral GOP has been co-opted by Christian social conservatives."

Dude, you're in the 80's. As a mattger of fact Reagan told the Christian Rightists to stand down. Example....When Reagan won his first term The Late DR Jerry Falwell made some statement that they now had God in the White House. Falwell and all the other dopey televangelists and the mega church reverends thought they were going to take over the country. Reagan was way smater than that. IN Reagan's second campaign, the religious right pressed Reagan to add abortion to his platform. He refused and the religious right threatened to sit out the election. Falwell claimed 30 million religious conservatives would have to be dealt with or else they'd refuse to vote.
Of course we all know that never happened and Reagan was re-elected.
The mainstream conservative movement has essentially marginalized the religious right. SO much so that they call us "the unchurched" . Religious conservatives have relatively little influence over the GOP. That has to be the way it is because the religious right is single issue(abortion) focused. These people refuse to expand their paradigm.

 

[daveman]

That is very interesting.

The liberals have no shame.

And how stupid the fake Republican has to be not to even consider the possibility that, in this day and age, he would be promptly exposed as the liberal Democrat piece of shit fraud he really is.

Doesn't speak well for his intelligence, does it?

Have you ever noticed that liberals who troll boards as conservatives are outed immediately, but conservatives have successfully posed as liberals on lib boards for years?

The problem here Daveman is that people like Eisenhower, Goldwater, Reagan, and both Bush's would be considered liberal trolls posing as conservatives on sites like these...if they posted on this site.

The once mighty and moral GOP has been co-opted by Christian social conservatives. If you're not that.....they call you a liberal commie socialist.

You really should stop reading HuffPo. They're all idiots over there.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Doesn't speak well for his intelligence, does it?

Have you ever noticed that liberals who troll boards as conservatives are outed immediately, but conservatives have successfully posed as liberals on lib boards for years?

The problem here Daveman is that people like Eisenhower, Goldwater, Reagan, and both Bush's would be considered liberal trolls posing as conservatives on sites like these...if they posted on this site.

The once mighty and moral GOP has been co-opted by Christian social conservatives. If you're not that.....they call you a liberal commie socialist.

You really should stop reading HuffPo. They're all idiots over there.

The HuffandPuffingfton Post.

 

[Avatar4321]

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

Just out of curiosity, which part are you claiming is impossible for us to do? Or, are you trying to say this plan is possible, you just don't like it?

I don't think it's impossible to do. I just think it's incredible short sighted and cruel to inflict upon people.

 

[Avatar4321]

All of it is impossible.

The government hire EVERY unemployed American? 35 million people?

The government print enough money to pay them all 25-30K a year?

Neither are possible. Well, in liberal lala-land, I suppose it's technically possible. But WTF?

Which is it? Possible or not possible?

And there aren't 35 million people out of work. The work force is about 150 million, of which 9.1 % are unemployed, so that's 13.65 million.

if you think this is a viable plan, you're as big a moron as the OP's friend.

Printing money with nothing to back it up decreases the value of the currency... causes inflation...back to square 1.

Much worse than square 1

 

[TheSharpCulture]

This is the new mantra of the left; that having a job is a right. I fell to the floor when I heard one of the radio pundits pushing this a couple of months ago. Was sure he was being facetious but found that him and his guest were really quite serious. The arguments sound good on the front but are TERRIBLE when looked at.

All of it is impossible.

The government hire EVERY unemployed American? 35 million people?

The government print enough money to pay them all 25-30K a year?

Neither are possible. Well, in liberal lala-land, I suppose it's technically possible. But WTF?

The only part I think your friend got wrong was using 0% as a target. No economist worth his salt would aim for that. The typical norm is 4%-6%. That's healthy. Lets take 6% as a target.

Math alert

9.1% - 6% = 3.1%
3.1% of 150M = 4.65M
4.65M * $30K per year = $139.5B

Now, add in benefits and you're talking more like $167B as a total cost per year. But, those people would no longer be drawing unemployment, so we would save

4.65M * $300 per week * 26 weeks = $36.27B

Total cost is then only $130.7B. Plus, if we wanted, we could make them pay taxes on it, like, you know, good tax-paying workers do. That would mean increased revenue of

15% * $130.7B = $19.6B

So, the real total cost would be $111.1B.

Not counting materials of course, but that number doesn't seem impossible. Does it?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you really are looking for an honest answer to this so here goes:

First, you are focusing on the cost and that is irrelevant. Some here are pointing to the inflation but that is but a minute part of the problem. The real problem, and difference from what BFG was putting out there, is the idea that EVERYONE gets a job and a 'decent' salary. That means there is no measure to what you must accomplish in said job, no motivation to produce. If that job paid anything then there would suddenly be ZERO reason to go work at a McDonalds, Wal-Mart, Janitorial jobs or a million other low wage jobs. The government job would be better and also have the upside of not having to actually work.
This causes a vicious cycle as all non government jobs would need to raise the pay to keep anyone causing the prices of all goods to increase again causing the government jobs wages to be to little to accomplish anything forcing them to increase the pay further forcing the private sector to....

It is a circle eventually causing zero production in a society where everyone is employed by the government and no one actually does anything. You cannot employ 100% of the population and you cannot eliminate poverty. Like it or not, ALL societies need janitors, burger flippers and other low wage jobs. Those that have jobs like this should make enough to live but they will never be able to elevate them to middle class or comfortable lifestyles. You MUST have poor and rich. The trick is minimizing those sectors of society and having the bulk of people in the middle class/upper middle class. Any society that eliminates poverty essentially causes all to be poor instead of all to be middle class.


There is merit to TEMPORARY government employment in times of bad economic stress but the problem is in these modern times there is no temporary about it. We just keep INCREASING. At some point the government becomes to bloated to increase anything.

A job is a surefire way to make money. Welfare should be abolished. GET OUT THERE AND WORK.


You have to be willing to:

Work nasty conditions
Bad hours
Min wage (should be abolished)
Possibly move

 

[Avatar4321]

Ever hear of the New Deal and work programs like the WPA? It helped lift America out of the depression.

But more importantly, it gave the unemployed a job to feed their families.

You right wingers always forget about families, and human beings. During the Great Depression conservatives raised objections to F.D.R.’s programs. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”

The government hired about 60 per cent of the unemployed in public works and conservation projects that planted a billion trees, saved the whooping crane, modernized rural America, and built such diverse projects as the Cathedral of Learning in Pittsburgh, the Montana state capitol, much of the Chicago lakefront, New York's Lincoln Tunnel and Triborough Bridge complex, the Tennessee Valley Authority and the aircraft carriers Enterprise and Yorktown.

It also built or renovated 2,500 hospitals, 45,000 schools, 13,000 parks and playgrounds, 7,800 bridges, 700,000 miles of roads, and a thousand airfields. And it employed 50,000 teachers, rebuilt the country's entire rural school system, and hired 3,000 writers, musicians, sculptors and painters.

In other words, millions of men and women earned a living wage and self-respect and contributed mightily to the national infrastructure.

way to miss the point.

You simply cannot just print money and give everyone a job paid for with that money... the money is worthless because there is nothing to back it up... so prices skyrocket... putting everyone right back where they were to begin with.

No, but the government can put people to work through programs like the WPA. We bailed out the banks who destroyed our economy and caused the job crisis we're in. At least WORK programs create and build things that benefit everyone.

Does it? Do all jobs create and build things (IE Wealth) Or do some just syphone off other people's wealth?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ever hear of the New Deal and work programs like the WPA? It helped lift America out of the depression.

But more importantly, it gave the unemployed a job to feed their families.

You right wingers always forget about families, and human beings. During the Great Depression conservatives raised objections to F.D.R.’s programs. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”

The government hired about 60 per cent of the unemployed in public works and conservation projects that planted a billion trees, saved the whooping crane, modernized rural America, and built such diverse projects as the Cathedral of Learning in Pittsburgh, the Montana state capitol, much of the Chicago lakefront, New York's Lincoln Tunnel and Triborough Bridge complex, the Tennessee Valley Authority and the aircraft carriers Enterprise and Yorktown.

It also built or renovated 2,500 hospitals, 45,000 schools, 13,000 parks and playgrounds, 7,800 bridges, 700,000 miles of roads, and a thousand airfields. And it employed 50,000 teachers, rebuilt the country's entire rural school system, and hired 3,000 writers, musicians, sculptors and painters.

In other words, millions of men and women earned a living wage and self-respect and contributed mightily to the national infrastructure.

What year did the WPA "lift America out of the Depression"?

I said it HELPED lift America out of the Depression. But most importantly it helped Americans feed their families, keep their homes and keep their self respect.

It helped prolong the Depression

 

[FA_Q2]

Ok. So a friend of mine is a bit of a leftie. And we all met today to do our NFL fantasy football roundup. And of course, after that and pizza, politics came up. And he is a staunch Obama supporter. He said of course the Tea Party was evil, blamed Bush for the mess we're in, then offered one whopper of an idea. Wanna hear it?

He said if only the right wing would get out of the way, Obama could fix the country and have 0% unemployment. Thats right. ZERO % unemployment. How, I asked? He says....

"The government can do two things: Hire people, and print money. There is so much that needs to be done, the government can just hire everyone who is unemployed, give them a role, and print the money to pay them. There would be no unemployment and no poverty. Of course, the Tea Party would vote to block it because for some reason they like people struggling."



How could I not have thought of that myself??????????

Of course. Just hire everyone, and print the money to pay them. No more poverty, no more unemployment!!!!!!

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

Sounds like a fantasy friend to me, but if you say so, then who am I to argue when you tell me that you have a friend who is completely and utterly wrong about macroeconomics?

The left radio talking heads (you know the ones that are equivalent to Rush and Hannity that libs keep painting the right with) have been pushing this idea for awhile now. It is not uncommon for me to hear from the left that having a job is a right that the government should be helping to enforce.