Bergdahl Backfire

[RandallFlagg]

Is PTSD or mental breakdown a legitimate mitigating factor for going AWOL?
Is it recognised as a sickness or injury?

Sure.

Is there any evidence that he suffered from PTSD or a mental breakdown?

What evidence do you have that Bergdahl was captured?

I'm just asking the question.
I'm not making any assertions.

However, there are plenty in this thread that are stating as fact that he deserted.
Where is their evidence that he didn't have PTSD?

The members of his unit are stating it as fact. PTSD? Who gives a crap? I served for a year in Viet Nam, just like many other vets on this very board. We (collectively) didn't desert and head to Hanoi.

Any excuse can be used to justify bad behavior. In normal circumstances - you can get away with crap excuses. Unfortunately, in a combat zone, you are expected to look out for the man on either side of you.If you do not - people died. Excuses be damned.

No one forced this young man to join the Army, let alone, take a combat arms MOS. That was HIS choice. If you take on the task - be up to the task. Man up and do your job. Your unit DEPENDS on you.

 

[idb]

Outrage on the right when Obama executes an American citizen by drone - because he is apparently actively supporting terrorists against the US - when he has not received due process to establish his guilt.

Outrage on the right when Obama brings home a soldier - because he apparently deserted - even though he has not received due process to establish his guilt.

 

[asterism]

Is PTSD or mental breakdown a legitimate mitigating factor for going AWOL?
Is it recognised as a sickness or injury?

Sure.

Is there any evidence that he suffered from PTSD or a mental breakdown?

What evidence do you have that Bergdahl was captured?

I'm just asking the question.
I'm not making any assertions.

However, there are plenty in this thread that are stating as fact that he deserted.
Where is their evidence that he didn't have PTSD?

He told people we was going to do leave. From a 2012 article:

"If this deployment is lame," Bowe said, "I'm just going to walk off into the mountains of Pakistan."

Bowe Bergdahl: America's Last Prisoner of War by Michael Hastings | Politics News | Rolling Stone

The Pentagon concluded that he was a deserter in 2010.

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

 

[idb]

Sure.

Is there any evidence that he suffered from PTSD or a mental breakdown?

What evidence do you have that Bergdahl was captured?

I'm just asking the question.
I'm not making any assertions.

However, there are plenty in this thread that are stating as fact that he deserted.
Where is their evidence that he didn't have PTSD?

The members of his unit are stating it as fact. PTSD? Who gives a crap? I served for a year in Viet Nam, just like many other vets on this very board. We (collectively) didn't desert and head to Hanoi.

Any excuse can be used to justify bad behavior. In normal circumstances - you can get away with crap excuses. Unfortunately, in a combat zone, you are expected to look out for the man on either side of you.If you do not - people did. Excuses be damned.

No one forced this young man to join the Army, let alone, take a combat arms MOS. That was HIS choice. If you take on the task - be up to the task. Man up and do your job. Your unit DEPENDS on you.

So, to you, PTSD isn't a legitimate injury?

 

[OriginalShroom]

Here are five relevant but little-reported facts you may not know about #BergdahlGate:

1. In 2013, White House Press Sec. Jay Carney stated that the Obama administration would never remove Guantanamo prisoners without consulting Congress:
“As we have long said, however, we would not make any decisions about transfer of any detainees without consulting with Congress and without doing so in accordance with U.S. law.”

2. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid knew about the Bergdahl exchange, when the rest of Congress was left in the dark.
“Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) was the only congressional leader told in advance of the Obama administration’s controversial plans. He was informed on Friday, before Bergdahl’s release became public, he told reporters on Tuesday.”

3. According to the Pentagon, intelligence officials had previously objected to the release of the “Taliban Five.” Time reports:
“But officials in the Pentagon and intelligence communities had successfully fought off release of the five men in the past, officials tell Time. ‘This was out of the norm,’ says one official familiar with the debate over the dangers of releasing the five Taliban officials.”

4. Army Sgt. Evan Buetow (Bergdahl’s former team leader) told CNN that the military intercepted an alarming radio communication after Bergdahl vanished:
“The American is in Yahya Khel (a village two miles away). He’s looking for someone who speaks English so he can talk to the Taliban.”
Eventually, he found the Taliban and now speaks more Pashto (Afghanistan’s national language) than his own native tongue.

5. According to the White House visitor records, Bergdahl’s parents paid a visit to the President’s home on March 21st, 2013:

Molon Labe

 

[idb]

Sure.

Is there any evidence that he suffered from PTSD or a mental breakdown?

What evidence do you have that Bergdahl was captured?

I'm just asking the question.
I'm not making any assertions.

However, there are plenty in this thread that are stating as fact that he deserted.
Where is their evidence that he didn't have PTSD?

He told people we was going to do leave. From a 2012 article:

"If this deployment is lame," Bowe said, "I'm just going to walk off into the mountains of Pakistan."

Bowe Bergdahl: America's Last Prisoner of War by Michael Hastings | Politics News | Rolling Stone

The Pentagon concluded that he was a deserter in 2010.

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

I don't see them mentioning desertion in your article.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I'm just asking the question.
I'm not making any assertions.

However, there are plenty in this thread that are stating as fact that he deserted.
Where is their evidence that he didn't have PTSD?

The members of his unit are stating it as fact. PTSD? Who gives a crap? I served for a year in Viet Nam, just like many other vets on this very board. We (collectively) didn't desert and head to Hanoi.

Any excuse can be used to justify bad behavior. In normal circumstances - you can get away with crap excuses. Unfortunately, in a combat zone, you are expected to look out for the man on either side of you.If you do not - people did. Excuses be damned.

No one forced this young man to join the Army, let alone, take a combat arms MOS. That was HIS choice. If you take on the task - be up to the task. Man up and do your job. Your unit DEPENDS on you.

So, to you, PTSD isn't a legitimate injury?

Never said that. I said it's no EXCUSE. Nice try sonny. Try again. This punk ass is not a "victim". He is a deserter. Get it?

 

[Katzndogz]

Outrage on the right when Obama executes an American citizen by drone - because he is apparently actively supporting terrorists against the US - when he has not received due process to establish his guilt.

Outrage on the right when Obama brings home a soldier - because he apparently deserted - even though he has not received due process to establish his guilt.

You misunderstand the outrage. obama traded five high value terrorists for a deserter. He welcomed a collaborator back as a hero. obama had a ceremony in the rose garden so Bergdahl’s terrorist sympathizer father could praise Allah. That's the outrage.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Outrage on the right when Obama executes an American citizen by drone - because he is apparently actively supporting terrorists against the US - when he has not received due process to establish his guilt.

Outrage on the right when Obama brings home a soldier - because he apparently deserted - even though he has not received due process to establish his guilt.

You misunderstand the outrage. obama traded five high value terrorists for a deserter. He welcomed a collaborator back as a hero. obama had a ceremony in the rose garden so Bergdahl’s terrorist sympathizer father could praise Allah. That's the outrage.

And that outrage will seal the democrats fate in November.....

 

[asterism]

I'm just asking the question.
I'm not making any assertions.

However, there are plenty in this thread that are stating as fact that he deserted.
Where is their evidence that he didn't have PTSD?

He told people we was going to do leave. From a 2012 article:

"If this deployment is lame," Bowe said, "I'm just going to walk off into the mountains of Pakistan."

Bowe Bergdahl: America's Last Prisoner of War by Michael Hastings | Politics News | Rolling Stone

The Pentagon concluded that he was a deserter in 2010.

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

I don't see them mentioning desertion in your article.

Then you didn't read them.

He walked off his post and left his gear.

 

[asterism]

Outrage on the right when Obama executes an American citizen by drone - because he is apparently actively supporting terrorists against the US - when he has not received due process to establish his guilt.

Outrage on the right when Obama brings home a soldier - because he apparently deserted - even though he has not received due process to establish his guilt.

You misunderstand the outrage. obama traded five high value terrorists for a deserter. He welcomed a collaborator back as a hero. obama had a ceremony in the rose garden so Bergdahl’s terrorist sympathizer father could praise Allah. That's the outrage.

And that outrage will seal the democrats fate in November.....

No it won't. Liberals love deserters.

 

[idb]

The members of his unit are stating it as fact. PTSD? Who gives a crap? I served for a year in Viet Nam, just like many other vets on this very board. We (collectively) didn't desert and head to Hanoi.

Any excuse can be used to justify bad behavior. In normal circumstances - you can get away with crap excuses. Unfortunately, in a combat zone, you are expected to look out for the man on either side of you.If you do not - people did. Excuses be damned.

No one forced this young man to join the Army, let alone, take a combat arms MOS. That was HIS choice. If you take on the task - be up to the task. Man up and do your job. Your unit DEPENDS on you.

So, to you, PTSD isn't a legitimate injury?

Never said that. I said it's no EXCUSE. Nice try sonny. Try again. This punk ass is not a "victim". He is a deserter. Get it?

So, you can have an injury but God forbid it affect your performance in any way.

 

[idb]

He told people we was going to do leave. From a 2012 article:



Bowe Bergdahl: America's Last Prisoner of War by Michael Hastings | Politics News | Rolling Stone

The Pentagon concluded that he was a deserter in 2010.

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

I don't see them mentioning desertion in your article.

Then you didn't read them.

He walked off his post and left his gear.

I admit I only read the second one.
Did the Pentagon say that he was a deserter in the first one?

 

[RandallFlagg]

So, to you, PTSD isn't a legitimate injury?

Never said that. I said it's no EXCUSE. Nice try sonny. Try again. This punk ass is not a "victim". He is a deserter. Get it?

So, you can have an injury but God forbid it affect your performance in any way.

If your "injury" compels you to abandon your unit and go to the "other side" then you need to be stood against a wall and shot for desertion.

A re you actually as stupid as you pretend to be? Jesus Christ, grow up, will you?

 

[idb]

Never said that. I said it's no EXCUSE. Nice try sonny. Try again. This punk ass is not a "victim". He is a deserter. Get it?

So, you can have an injury but God forbid it affect your performance in any way.

If your "injury" compels you to abandon your unit and go to the "other side" then you need to be stood against a wall and shot for desertion.

A re you actually as stupid as you pretend to be? Jesus Christ, grow up, will you?

First off...whether he went to the "other side" has yet to be established.
That's what an investigation is for.

Secondly, I have no idea about mental issues - I'm not a neuro-whatsit - but I'm pretty sure that irrational actions are just one symptom.
Abandoning your unit and walking off into enemy territory with no weapons or armour doesn't seem rational to me.

 

[Kondor3]

I think the GOP should start impeachment proceedings over this. I really do.

The timing is not right.

The Pubs need both the House AND Senate to make that work.

Which they'll have, in January, 2015, after the November 2014 mid-term elections.

Tick... tick... tick...

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Outrage on the right when Obama executes an American citizen by drone - because he is apparently actively supporting terrorists against the US - when he has not received due process to establish his guilt.

Outrage on the right when Obama brings home a soldier - because he apparently deserted - even though he has not received due process to establish his guilt.

You seem to be incapable of following the situations here.

Nobody had a problem with killing Anwar Al Alaki. He was a traitor and was actively fighting against us. What we did have a problem with was obie making the decision that this meant he could drone any US citizen anywhere for any reason. It's never obie's initial reaction to anything it's always the periphrial damage he does.

We traded a deserter Taliban guy for five Taliban guys going the other direction. That doesn't sound like a good deal to me does it to you?

It's been obies problem since he took office. He never does anything right. He does one thing people could get behind but ***** up the rest of the deal with incompetence and pure stupidity.

 

[MikeK]

Obama thought the media would be euphoric over something he did?

Gee, how'd he ever get a notion like that?

I dont know because nothing he does is ever good enough and besides usually rescuing a marine held captive is a good thing that is until Obama does it

Bowe Bergdahl is Army. Not a Marine.

 

[TemplarKormac]

So, to you, PTSD isn't a legitimate injury?

Never said that. I said it's no EXCUSE. Nice try sonny. Try again. This punk ass is not a "victim". He is a deserter. Get it?

So, you can have an injury but God forbid it affect your performance in any way.

Do you have a brain injury by any chance?

 

[rdean]

Obama thought the media would be euphoric over something he did?

Gee, how'd he ever get a notion like that?

I dont know because nothing he does is ever good enough and besides usually rescuing a marine held captive is a good thing that is until Obama does it

Ain't that the truth.

Republicans keep thinking they are the American people. The ONLY American people. Ask normal people if we should leave an American to die in the hands of Islamic extremists and they ask, "Isn't that what Republicans said Obama did in Benghazi?"

Not only did Obama say he didn't do it, he feels terrible it happened. Republicans feel terrible is didn't happen.