Zone1 Beggars at the Intersection: How do you feel about them? What do you do?

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

House them, it's that simple. After that, we provide them with drug rehab counseling, medical care, and job training. etc, whatever they need to get back on their feet and become law-abiding, productive members of society. That's much more cost-effective than allowing them to remain homeless drug addicts.

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But the democrat run cities in which homelessness is highly concentrated, refuse to entertain any real solutions.

This brilliant documentary is about the homeless and drug addicted of Seattle and the conclusion is that there is a very intelligent, humane, workable solution right under their noses but they refuse to even consider it.



BTW, since the making of this video a few years ago, the man being interviewed at about 15:00 became a murder/suicide statistic. He murdered his girlfriend during CHAZ/CHOP by hammering a nail into her head and then drowned himself in a large vat of a chemical/water mixture.

Oh, yeah, the democrats are a humane bunch!

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[TruthNotBS]

That is exactly how we got into this mess we are in.

Wrong. We got into this mess by ignoring the problem and not doing what I just said. Every city that has implemented "housing first" programs, greatly reduces its homeless population. Salt Lake City, Utah, and here in NYC, "housing first" policies and social services, eliminate homelessness. The problem is that the Republicans always start complaining and they defund or eliminate such programs, forcing cities to return to abandoning people out in the street. If you're one of those Republicans, I'm glad you're upset about all of those homeless people wiping your windshield at road intersections and begging you for money. You deserve it.

 

[TruthNotBS]

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But the democrat run cities in which homelessness is highly concentrated, refuse to entertain any real solutions.

This brilliant documentary is about the homeless and drug addicted of Seattle and the conclusion is that there is a very intelligent, humane, workable solution right under their noses but they refuse to even consider it.



BTW, since the making of this video a few years ago, the man being interviewed at about 15:00 became a murder/suicide statistic. He murdered his girlfriend during CHAZ/CHOP by hammering a nail into her head and then drowned himself in a large vat of a chemical/water mixture.

Oh, yeah, the democrats are a humane bunch!

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Republicans kick out all of the homeless from their cities and towns. Where do you think all of those people go? To cities run by liberals. However, since those liberals aren't socialists, like myself, the homeless are just left to rot out in the street. A few cities have "housing first" programs, but they often get defunded by Republicans.

 

[TruthNotBS]

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But the democrat run cities in which homelessness is highly concentrated, refuse to entertain any real solutions.

This brilliant documentary is about the homeless and drug addicted of Seattle and the conclusion is that there is a very intelligent, humane, workable solution right under their noses but they refuse to even consider it.



BTW, since the making of this video a few years ago, the man being interviewed at about 15:00 became a murder/suicide statistic. He murdered his girlfriend during CHAZ/CHOP by hammering a nail into her head and then drowned himself in a large vat of a chemical/water mixture.

Oh, yeah, the democrats are a humane bunch!

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Discuss the video. Tell me about it, before I invest time watching it. What's the premise or crux of the argument, in that video.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Wrong. We got into this mess by ignoring the problem and not doing what I just said. Every city that has implemented "housing first" programs, greatly reduces their homeless populations. Salt Lake City, Utah, and here in NYC, "housing first" policies and social services, eliminate homelessness. The problem is that the Republicans always start complaining and they defund or eliminate such programs, forcing cities to return to abandoning people out in the street. If you're one of those Republicans, I'm glad you're upset about all of those homeless people wiping your windshield at road intersections and begging you for money. You deserve it.

did you say NYC? Oh brotha.

You can stop the intersection beggars by keeping a butcher knife on your lap. They see it and withdraw.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Discuss the video. Tell me about it, before I invest time watching it. What's the premise or crux of the argument, in that video.

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There is a very usable facility on McNeil Island in Puget Sound that could be used for housing, treatment and social rehab, and it stands empty to this day, AFAIK. It's very secure -- used to be a federal corrections facility.

The documentary highlights a very real working program on the East Coast -- in Rhode Island, I think -- where they are having stunning success returning homeless addicts to satisfying, productive life, and suggests that the McNeil Island facility would be perfect for a program like this.

Sorry, I could watch the video a million times. It's produced and narrated by a very respected Seattle ABC journalist who used to live in my neighborhood, with whom my late husband and I have dined and were accustomed to seeing as a regular figure in our community. It's also a well made piece of film, worth watching. It reminds me that Seattle used to be a wonderful place.

Thanks for asking.

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[TruthNotBS]

did you say NYC? Oh brotha.

You can stop the intersection beggars by keeping a butcher knife on your lap. They see it and withdraw.

Here in NYC, we had the beginning of a "housing first" program, that was showing great promise, but it was defunded. Not enough homeless are being housed. Other services also have to be available to address substance abuse and other medical problems. To abandon people out in the street is much more expensive and just makes everything worse.

 

[TruthNotBS]

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There is a very usable facility on McNeil Island in Puget Sound that could be used for housing, treatment and social rehab, and it stands empty to this day, AFAIK. It's very secure -- used to be a federal corrections facility.

The documentary highlights a very real working program on the East Coast -- in Rhode Island, I think -- where they are having stunning success returning homeless addicts to satisfying, productive life, and suggests that the McNeil Island facility would be perfect for a program like this.

Sorry, I could watch the video a million times. It's produced and narrated by a very respected Seattle ABC journalist who used to live in my neighborhood, with whom my late husband and I have dined and were accustomed to seeing as a regular figure in our community. It's also a well made piece of film, worth watching. It reminds me that Seattle used to be a wonderful place.

Thanks for asking.

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Oh yes, I watched it a few months ago, maybe a year or so ago. Yeah, I'm for that. We need to address both their lack of housing and their substance abuse. Not everyone who is homeless has a drug problem though, so we need to keep that in mind. Some people can transition much quicker from the street, straight to permanent housing. But yes, I saw that video, it's good.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Not all homeless have a substance abuse problem. I spent my early childhood homeless. Mostly wandering from place to place. East coast winters were truly brutal. We were homeless because my parents perceived that as freedom. They loved it.

A drug addict will eventually use again. They might take a few years, but they will use. An island is a good solution. Put them on an island. First humanely sterilize them. They can get supplies, drugs confiscated from dealers. Then leave them be.

 

[Lisa558]

Not all homeless have a substance abuse problem. I spent my early childhood homeless. Mostly wandering from place to place. East coast winters were truly brutal. We were homeless because my parents perceived that as freedom. They loved it.

A drug addict will eventually use again. They might take a few years, but they will use. An island is a good solution. Put them on an island. First humanely sterilize them. They can get supplies, drugs confiscated from dealers. Then leave them be.

Then many homeless have a mental health problem. Your parents did.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Not all homeless have a substance abuse problem. I spent my early childhood homeless. Mostly wandering from place to place. East coast winters were truly brutal. We were homeless because my parents perceived that as freedom. They loved it.

A drug addict will eventually use again. They might take a few years, but they will use. An island is a good solution. Put them on an island. First humanely sterilize them. They can get supplies, drugs confiscated from dealers. Then leave them be.

I've been clean and sober for 22 years. I was homeless for a few years. I know more than enough people like me to know that what you're asserting isn't true. Isolating people on an Island and sterilizing them? What's your source for public policy, the Third Reich? You're promoting the Hitler Homeless Solution.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I've been clean and sober for 22 years. I was homeless for a few years. I know more than enough people like me to know that what you're asserting isn't true. Isolating people on an Island and sterilizing them? What's your source for public policy, the Third Reich? You're promoting the Hitler Homeless Solution.

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Desperate times.

I'm guessing you don't live in a large dem-run city.

If not, tell those who do what it's like to be able to walk down the street without fear.



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[TruthNotBS]

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Desperate times.

I'm guessing you don't live in a large dem-run city.

If not, tell those who do what it's like to be able to walk down the street without fear.



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I live in NYC. The VA, a government agency, took me off the street and gave me another chance at life, and I took it. Some of the most dangerous cities in our nation are run by Republicans. Just look at the stats, google it.

List of U.S. states and territories by violent crime rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Even after providing the information for you to inform yourself you are unable to educate yourself on a subject.

What Part of "We, the People" Lets SCROTUS Be Our Dictators?

 

[surada]

I disagree. It is not always simple to see this... especially when you are young enough to actually help create (with God) another human being. Parents do not always talk to their children about that and other extremely important issues.. and so these children go out into the world, and sometimes they are children until htey are 40! and they make mistakes like having children b4 (w/o) marriage. It is a tragedy.

I hope all the parents reading this realize just what a HUGE job it is to raise WISE children... There's a rare word these days: wise...

How many children do you have?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I think you're a generous person, the type moochers exploit. I also think your instincts and judgment are superior to those you humbly asked for advice, including Frannie.

These people typically make more money than they would at a warehouse or restaurant, with frequent bonus days where someone is feeling especially generous and gives them a $100 bill or multiple people give them $20's.

They only "work" half a day or so, set their own schedule, don't get drug-tested or have to explain missed days. The American people are reliably generous. What a country!

The public assumes these people are homeless, when that's usually not the case. They often have cars and homes. The begger gig beats working for a living.

These people are exploitative. They don't feel embarrassed. I don't give them anything and I don't feel the need to explain why to them or feel guilty. They are counting on good people feeling awkward. I'm also not unfriendly or rude. In fact, I often simply say "no thanks" and move on.

Social Darwinism in Default

After he had blown his trust-fund allowance on drugs, Bobby Kennedy, Jr. panhandled to continue feeding his habit.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I've been clean and sober for 22 years. I was homeless for a few years. I know more than enough people like me to know that what you're asserting isn't true. Isolating people on an Island and sterilizing them? What's your source for public policy, the Third Reich? You're promoting the Hitler Homeless Solution.

As a responsible civilization we would sterilize these poor souls that cannot even care for themselves. We do it for animals. It's called the catch neuter and release program.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Then many homeless have a mental health problem. Your parents did.

Obviously. What do you do with people who value their concept of freedom. They cannot be successfully housed. Now what? Is there a treatment program? How about forcibly housing them?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I live in NYC. The VA, a government agency, took me off the street and gave me another chance at life, and I took it. Some of the most dangerous cities in our nation are run by Republicans. Just look at the stats, google it.

List of U.S. states and territories by violent crime rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Okay.

Got it.

Conservative from Georgia's sock.




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[nomadic5]

Republicans kick out all of the homeless from their cities and towns. Where do you think all of those people go? To cities run by liberals. However, since those liberals aren't socialists, like myself, the homeless are just left to rot out in the street. A few cities have "housing first" programs, but they often get defunded by Republicans.

I know of a couple homeless people who... don't know about one but one of them moved from a blue to a red area and was treated way better in the red...

the other one SEEMS to like it in the red town... doesnt seem in a hurry to leave, that's for sure