BDS: a fringe movement and an abject failure

[HistoryBefore67]

BDS: a fringe movement and an abject failure
From AIJAC, 13 June 2013, by Ahron Shapiro:

The cult-like and self-aggrandising Boycott, Diverstment and Sanctions (BDS) anti-Israel campaign suffered another embarrassing setback this month when Facebook and Google wooed the Israeli content-savvy phone GPS app company Waze...
...Google sealed the deal on June 11 for US1.3 billion...

The high-profile takeover caught the attention of top business writers, who expect the deal to inspire more investment in Israeli tech companies, as Google's funds are parlayed into a new wave of spinoff projects.

...with the acquisition of Waze by Google, BDS activists will surely now be in the unenviable position of having to boycott the world's top internet search tools or be exposed for their hypocrisy.

(Google is currently used in 67 percent of internet searches. Its closest competitor, Microsoft's Bing which is used in 17 percent of all searches, is also BDS unfriendly, given Microsoft's substantial investment in Israeli R&D).

...The harmful effects of BDS to the Palestinian economy have been well documented, such as in this JTA story from February about how BDS threatens the livelihood of some 900 Palestinians from the West Bank and east Jerusalem who work for the Israeli do-it-yourself soda company SodaStream.

...SodaStream has indeed been one of the prime targets for BDS campaigners in Australia and abroad.

On June 1, when a band of anti-Israel activists roamed through a mall in Brisbane, pulling Israeli products off shelves and creating a disturbance that required the police to clear, SodaStream was among a handful of products they targeted.

But how's that boycott going? Well, SodaStream beat earnings estimates once again in Q1 2013, posting "strong growth" in Australia and notably Europe. It has just raised its projected earnings for the year by about 10 percent. This, in spite of setbacks in Japan unrelated to BDS that have held back its Asia/Pacific sales totals for the quarter.
Investors continue to be bullish on SodaStream. The company's stock just hit a 52-week high, fuelled by rumours that the company may follow Waze as Israel's next big takeover target - this time by either Pepsi or Coke.
...The continued success of SodaStream - not by some subjective analysis but by the cold, hard sales figures that financial advisers depend on - is the most compelling evidence that BDS remains the fringe movement that it always was and an abject failure.

In light of this very obvious failure, there stands a chance that BDS organizers may rethink their focus on SodaStream as counterproductive to the illusion of growing success they are trying to create (much as Brisbane's BDSers appears to have removed a boutique shoe store that stocked an Israeli product from its "BDS Walking Tour" itinerary this time around after experiencing a backlash of overwhelmingly negative publicity that surrounded its bullying tactics on its last tour.)

BDS is a cowardly and duplicitous intimidation campaign that lies constantly about its so-called "victories" (often taking credit for things entirely unrelated to the boycott)...
Yet it also lies equally about its goals. While it claims to want to use the boycott to pressure Israel to improve its treatment of Palestinians and its promoters often obfuscate whether the movement supports a two-state or one-state outcome for Israelis and Palestinians, in private most of its prominent supporters freely admit the aim is to delegitimize Israel in order to undermine its very right to exist.

This goal behind BDS was most recently driven home by Palestinian Red Crescent official and activist Mona El Farra in a lecture before Palestinian supporters in Perth on June 4.

BDS' push for a one (Arab) state to replace Israel was on display at the fourth annual BDS conference in Bethlehem last weekend, when leader Omar Barghouti demanded, among other things, a Palestinian "right of return" to pre-1967 Israel as a precondition for "peace", espousing the extreme Palestinian position which asserts that Israel should be forced to demographically undo its Jewish majority and become, in essence, a Palestinian state.

While BDS activists like to present themselves to the media as "peace activists", this is also meaningless doublespeak, as Barghouti also made clear that his movement rejects negotiations with Israel, even if Israel renewed a freeze on construction in its West Bank settlements and agrees to withdraw completely to its pre-1967 boundaries. He makes it abundantly clear that he sees delegitimisation of Israel through BDS as an end in itself, not a means to change Israel's policies.

Said Barghouti:
The only way to ensure the Palestinians secured all their rights is through the non-violent "resistance" of a full boycott of Israel.

BDS is also a campaign that has often crossed the line between anti-Israel and anti-Jewish activity.

Last year, BDS activists in Melbourne planned a protest in front of a prominent synagogue. The organisers were eventually shamed into cancelling the protest.
More recently, BDS activists have harassed Jews attending synagogue in Boulder, Colorado as AIJAC's Daniel Meyerowitz-Katz has blogged.

These are hardly exceptional examples. As an incident with an Australian BDS Facebook page illustrated last month, while all BDS supporters are not antisemites, its fair to say that nearly all antisemites are BDS supporters.

Given the preponderance of evidence that BDS harms, and not helps the chances for peace by weakening moderates, BDS activists have found the need to resort to deception in their attempt to market their ideology to the mainstream.

It hasn't been easy for them. BDS activists crave validation that their methods are working in order to build morale and recruit more supporters. When the evidence says otherwise, they naturally seek to create an illusion of success. It's impossible for them to make the case that their campaign has made even the slightest dent in SodaStream. For this reason, it stands to reason that sooner or later, they will be compelled to shift their focus and prey upon far poorer performing companies - or more likely, bully more small businesses - in order to maintain this deception.

 

[Roudy]

BDS: a fringe movement and an abject failure
From AIJAC, 13 June 2013, by Ahron Shapiro:

The cult-like and self-aggrandising Boycott, Diverstment and Sanctions (BDS) anti-Israel campaign suffered another embarrassing setback this month when Facebook and Google wooed the Israeli content-savvy phone GPS app company Waze...
...Google sealed the deal on June 11 for US1.3 billion...

The high-profile takeover caught the attention of top business writers, who expect the deal to inspire more investment in Israeli tech companies, as Google's funds are parlayed into a new wave of spinoff projects.

...with the acquisition of Waze by Google, BDS activists will surely now be in the unenviable position of having to boycott the world's top internet search tools or be exposed for their hypocrisy.

(Google is currently used in 67 percent of internet searches. Its closest competitor, Microsoft's Bing which is used in 17 percent of all searches, is also BDS unfriendly, given Microsoft's substantial investment in Israeli R&D).

...The harmful effects of BDS to the Palestinian economy have been well documented, such as in this JTA story from February about how BDS threatens the livelihood of some 900 Palestinians from the West Bank and east Jerusalem who work for the Israeli do-it-yourself soda company SodaStream.

...SodaStream has indeed been one of the prime targets for BDS campaigners in Australia and abroad.

On June 1, when a band of anti-Israel activists roamed through a mall in Brisbane, pulling Israeli products off shelves and creating a disturbance that required the police to clear, SodaStream was among a handful of products they targeted.

But how's that boycott going? Well, SodaStream beat earnings estimates once again in Q1 2013, posting "strong growth" in Australia and notably Europe. It has just raised its projected earnings for the year by about 10 percent. This, in spite of setbacks in Japan unrelated to BDS that have held back its Asia/Pacific sales totals for the quarter.
Investors continue to be bullish on SodaStream. The company's stock just hit a 52-week high, fuelled by rumours that the company may follow Waze as Israel's next big takeover target - this time by either Pepsi or Coke.
...The continued success of SodaStream - not by some subjective analysis but by the cold, hard sales figures that financial advisers depend on - is the most compelling evidence that BDS remains the fringe movement that it always was and an abject failure.

In light of this very obvious failure, there stands a chance that BDS organizers may rethink their focus on SodaStream as counterproductive to the illusion of growing success they are trying to create (much as Brisbane's BDSers appears to have removed a boutique shoe store that stocked an Israeli product from its "BDS Walking Tour" itinerary this time around after experiencing a backlash of overwhelmingly negative publicity that surrounded its bullying tactics on its last tour.)

BDS is a cowardly and duplicitous intimidation campaign that lies constantly about its so-called "victories" (often taking credit for things entirely unrelated to the boycott)...
Yet it also lies equally about its goals. While it claims to want to use the boycott to pressure Israel to improve its treatment of Palestinians and its promoters often obfuscate whether the movement supports a two-state or one-state outcome for Israelis and Palestinians, in private most of its prominent supporters freely admit the aim is to delegitimize Israel in order to undermine its very right to exist.

This goal behind BDS was most recently driven home by Palestinian Red Crescent official and activist Mona El Farra in a lecture before Palestinian supporters in Perth on June 4.

BDS' push for a one (Arab) state to replace Israel was on display at the fourth annual BDS conference in Bethlehem last weekend, when leader Omar Barghouti demanded, among other things, a Palestinian "right of return" to pre-1967 Israel as a precondition for "peace", espousing the extreme Palestinian position which asserts that Israel should be forced to demographically undo its Jewish majority and become, in essence, a Palestinian state.

While BDS activists like to present themselves to the media as "peace activists", this is also meaningless doublespeak, as Barghouti also made clear that his movement rejects negotiations with Israel, even if Israel renewed a freeze on construction in its West Bank settlements and agrees to withdraw completely to its pre-1967 boundaries. He makes it abundantly clear that he sees delegitimisation of Israel through BDS as an end in itself, not a means to change Israel's policies.

Said Barghouti:
The only way to ensure the Palestinians secured all their rights is through the non-violent "resistance" of a full boycott of Israel.

BDS is also a campaign that has often crossed the line between anti-Israel and anti-Jewish activity.

Last year, BDS activists in Melbourne planned a protest in front of a prominent synagogue. The organisers were eventually shamed into cancelling the protest.
More recently, BDS activists have harassed Jews attending synagogue in Boulder, Colorado as AIJAC's Daniel Meyerowitz-Katz has blogged.

These are hardly exceptional examples. As an incident with an Australian BDS Facebook page illustrated last month, while all BDS supporters are not antisemites, its fair to say that nearly all antisemites are BDS supporters.

Given the preponderance of evidence that BDS harms, and not helps the chances for peace by weakening moderates, BDS activists have found the need to resort to deception in their attempt to market their ideology to the mainstream.

It hasn't been easy for them. BDS activists crave validation that their methods are working in order to build morale and recruit more supporters. When the evidence says otherwise, they naturally seek to create an illusion of success. It's impossible for them to make the case that their campaign has made even the slightest dent in SodaStream. For this reason, it stands to reason that sooner or later, they will be compelled to shift their focus and prey upon far poorer performing companies - or more likely, bully more small businesses - in order to maintain this deception.

The Bowel Discharge Movement has actually helped rally many people towards Israel, and support has been unprecedented. Let us hope the BDSholes keep it up!

 

[HistoryBefore67]

I have this vision of Sherri reading this, running to her kitchen, and throwing her SodaStream in the trash (having previously overlooked its connection to Israel).

 

[Roudy]

I have this vision of Sherri reading this, running to her kitchen, and throwing her SodaStream in the trash (having previously overlooked its connection to Israel).

She's actually in the kitchen right now, trying to figure out the pressure cooker they just bought.

 

[HistoryBefore67]

When doing a search, I found a Q&A site in which someone asked where they could find a list of Israeli products for them to boycott.

Here are some of the awesome answers:

Firstly, unplug your computer. Good. Now switch off your interactive digital television set. Well done. And now throw away your mobile phone. Excellent.

You see, these machines are not only the engine of the globalized, capitalist world but they also depend on technologies that have been produced by Israeli academics in the Zionist entity.

Stop playing with your detached mouse, and concentrate. I'm afraid you may not use the British Library because it has been computerized by Ex Libris, a Zionist company that was spawned by the odious Hebrew University of Jerusalem. And if, God forbid, you develop problems of the small intestine, you may not pop the Zionist-invented 'video capsule', which passes naturally through your body as it monitors this delicate piece of your anatomy...

Start with your computer, it surly has a intel processor, if not made in Israel it's still an Israeli invention, when you bought it Israel made money, same with you cell phone anytime you use it Israel makes money, so is your Office it's an Israeli invention, so are all SanDisk products Israel makes tons of money selling them, so are many medicines Israel makes money off many, if your father or mother or anyone you know need to have heart surgery in order to prop open an artery, tell them not to, stents are an Israeli invention.
God, there are so many.
Good luck to you, don't forget to turn off your anti-virus programs, most are patented in Israel.

To answer you, its an excellent idea, more for the rest of us to enjoy....stay at home and do nothing, because most of todays technology was invented by Israel.Israelis have invented much of the technology used today such as instant messaging (ICQ), firewall security software, Intel wireless computer chips, numerous medicines, and miniature video camera capsules to examine internal organs. Other Israeli inventions: the cell phone (invented by Motorola, with it’s largest R&D center being in Israel), most of the Windows NT operating system, voice mail technology, and VOIP technology.
Also pray that you dont get sick, because many medicines and cures are developed in Israel.

If you want to boycott Israel:

1) Unplug your computer
2) Do not use cell phones
3) Do not use hydroponics
4) Do not use solar panels for energy
5) Do not use desalinated or decontaminated water
6) Do not use cardiac stents
7) Do not use digital cameras
8) Do not use search-engines or any devices using microchips

 

[toastman]

Epic answers

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Excellent opening post.

Add to that the fantastic work Israel is doing in the field of inventions in science, medicine, engineering, etc., etc., and also Israel's work worldwide in helping in times of natural disasters and aiding third world countries.

Many of Israel's outstanding achievements can be seen on this excellent channel. What do Israel's neighboring countries do to help mankind? Zilch!

ISRAEL21cdotcom - YouTube

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[HistoryBefore67]

We can add to the list every movie starring Natalie Portman, who was also made in Israel.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

We can add to the list every movie starring Natalie Portman, who was also made in Israel.

Uh oh, I can foresee some pictures of "cool Israeli chicks" coming up.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Embarrassment as Anti-Israel Claims Debunked
"BDS" campaigners widely trumpeted their latest "success" - only for it to be revealed as false.

​

By Ari Soffer
First Publish: 8/6/2013, 10:44 AM


Pro-Israel activists have derided the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) anti-Israel movement, after a widely-trumpeted "success" in their campaign to isolate Israel was revealed to have been fabricated.

In the last few years, anti-Israel activists have embarked on a campaign to isolate the State of Israel politically and economically, calling for international boycotts and sanctions against the Jewish state.

Having failed to convince major investors to divest, and in the face of a continuously-strengthening Israeli economy, the movement has largely focused its efforts on small, symbolic battles against Israeli companies which manufacture products such as snacks and beauty products.

But it seems that even that tactic isn't quite working.

Last week, Electronic Intifada, a blog aligned with the BDS movement, announced its latest "victory," claiming that Delta Air Lines had decided to stop serving a snack produced in the Barkan Industrial Zone, due to its location in Samaria.

Electronic Intifada claimed that the decision was made after a complaint was lodged by a member of the far-left "Coalition of Women for Peace," publishing what it said was the text of an email in which the airline said that it would be dropping the product. The blog's editor, Ali Abunima, claimed that "Delta Air Lines lawyers ruled that Israeli settlement-made snacks should not be served."

Veteran Israeli activist Avi Mayer, however, was unconvinced, and promptly discovered that claims of a boycott were completely false.

In a letter to Mayer (which he promptly published on his Facebook page), the airline explained that the snack in question - a vanilla halva bar - had indeed been removed, but only as a result of "a normal catering cycle and review," in which the in-flight menu regularly changes.

But there was more. Not only were reports of a boycott unfounded, but Delta's representative explained that more than 1,000 Israeli-made items are "sourced by our local caterer," adding: "the snack (fruit) that replaced the bar is grown locally in Israel. Delta makes a practice of sourcing local goods for catering in most international markets we serve."

Speaking to Arutz Sheva, Mayer said he saw the revelation as proof that the BDS movement "has reached the point of desperation," pointing to a number of similarly fabricated claims of BDS "success."

"Their efforts continue to rack up one devastating failure after another, and so they find themselves scraping the bottom of the barrel and, when necessary, simply making stuff up. This has happened time and time again," he said, noting that "it seems to be happening with increasing frequency."

"When singer Lenny Kravitz cancelled a trip to Israel last year, BDS activists hailed it as a victory. It didn't really matter to them that Kravitz has said clearly that he was cancelling for totally unrelated reasons, was personally disappointed, and would visit Israel in the near future.

"When Sylvester Stallone, Claude Van Damme, and Bruce Willis cancelled a planned appearance in Israel last year, BDS advocates rejoiced. But the actors' cancellation was due to the death of Stallone's son, Sage, and had nothing at all to do with BDS - in fact, Stallone and Willis had both signed a statement of support for Israel several years earlier, along with Danny De Vito, Serena Williams, Nicole Kidman, Michael Douglas, and dozens of other celebrities.

"Also last year, Irish writer Gerard Donovan made a point of slapping down suggestions that his cancellation of a visit to Israel had anything to do with BDS. Explaining that he was recovering from cancer, Donovan said he wouldn't be 'bullied or cajoled' into caving to the BDS'ers' demands. 'If I had been well, I would have gone to Jerusalem,' he said. 'Nobody tells me where I can or cannot read my work.'"

In a scathing summary of the BDS movement as a whole, he added:

"The BDS Movement's tactics are clear: bully, threaten, and - if all else fails - just plain lie. The hallmarks of a failed movement."


Embarrassment as Anti-Israel Claims Debunked - Global Agenda - News - Israel National News

 

[sealadaigh]

Embarrassment as Anti-Israel Claims Debunked
"BDS" campaigners widely trumpeted their latest "success" - only for it to be revealed as false.

​

By Ari Soffer
First Publish: 8/6/2013, 10:44 AM


Pro-Israel activists have derided the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) anti-Israel movement, after a widely-trumpeted "success" in their campaign to isolate Israel was revealed to have been fabricated.

In the last few years, anti-Israel activists have embarked on a campaign to isolate the State of Israel politically and economically, calling for international boycotts and sanctions against the Jewish state.

Having failed to convince major investors to divest, and in the face of a continuously-strengthening Israeli economy, the movement has largely focused its efforts on small, symbolic battles against Israeli companies which manufacture products such as snacks and beauty products.

But it seems that even that tactic isn't quite working.

Last week, Electronic Intifada, a blog aligned with the BDS movement, announced its latest "victory," claiming that Delta Air Lines had decided to stop serving a snack produced in the Barkan Industrial Zone, due to its location in Samaria.

Electronic Intifada claimed that the decision was made after a complaint was lodged by a member of the far-left "Coalition of Women for Peace," publishing what it said was the text of an email in which the airline said that it would be dropping the product. The blog's editor, Ali Abunima, claimed that "Delta Air Lines lawyers ruled that Israeli settlement-made snacks should not be served."

Veteran Israeli activist Avi Mayer, however, was unconvinced, and promptly discovered that claims of a boycott were completely false.

In a letter to Mayer (which he promptly published on his Facebook page), the airline explained that the snack in question - a vanilla halva bar - had indeed been removed, but only as a result of "a normal catering cycle and review," in which the in-flight menu regularly changes.

But there was more. Not only were reports of a boycott unfounded, but Delta's representative explained that more than 1,000 Israeli-made items are "sourced by our local caterer," adding: "the snack (fruit) that replaced the bar is grown locally in Israel. Delta makes a practice of sourcing local goods for catering in most international markets we serve."

Speaking to Arutz Sheva, Mayer said he saw the revelation as proof that the BDS movement "has reached the point of desperation," pointing to a number of similarly fabricated claims of BDS "success."

"Their efforts continue to rack up one devastating failure after another, and so they find themselves scraping the bottom of the barrel and, when necessary, simply making stuff up. This has happened time and time again," he said, noting that "it seems to be happening with increasing frequency."

"When singer Lenny Kravitz cancelled a trip to Israel last year, BDS activists hailed it as a victory. It didn't really matter to them that Kravitz has said clearly that he was cancelling for totally unrelated reasons, was personally disappointed, and would visit Israel in the near future.

"When Sylvester Stallone, Claude Van Damme, and Bruce Willis cancelled a planned appearance in Israel last year, BDS advocates rejoiced. But the actors' cancellation was due to the death of Stallone's son, Sage, and had nothing at all to do with BDS - in fact, Stallone and Willis had both signed a statement of support for Israel several years earlier, along with Danny De Vito, Serena Williams, Nicole Kidman, Michael Douglas, and dozens of other celebrities.

"Also last year, Irish writer Gerard Donovan made a point of slapping down suggestions that his cancellation of a visit to Israel had anything to do with BDS. Explaining that he was recovering from cancer, Donovan said he wouldn't be 'bullied or cajoled' into caving to the BDS'ers' demands. 'If I had been well, I would have gone to Jerusalem,' he said. 'Nobody tells me where I can or cannot read my work.'"

In a scathing summary of the BDS movement as a whole, he added:

"The BDS Movement's tactics are clear: bully, threaten, and - if all else fails - just plain lie. The hallmarks of a failed movement."


Embarrassment as Anti-Israel Claims Debunked - Global Agenda - News - Israel National News

what i don't get is if BDS is such an abject failure, why are israelis, jews, and zionists wringing their hands in a panic about it and giving it so much airplay. i mean, you guys are giving them so much publicity, far more than they garner on their own.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Embarrassment as Anti-Israel Claims Debunked
"BDS" campaigners widely trumpeted their latest "success" - only for it to be revealed as false.

​

By Ari Soffer
First Publish: 8/6/2013, 10:44 AM


Pro-Israel activists have derided the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) anti-Israel movement, after a widely-trumpeted "success" in their campaign to isolate Israel was revealed to have been fabricated.

In the last few years, anti-Israel activists have embarked on a campaign to isolate the State of Israel politically and economically, calling for international boycotts and sanctions against the Jewish state.

Having failed to convince major investors to divest, and in the face of a continuously-strengthening Israeli economy, the movement has largely focused its efforts on small, symbolic battles against Israeli companies which manufacture products such as snacks and beauty products.

But it seems that even that tactic isn't quite working.

Last week, Electronic Intifada, a blog aligned with the BDS movement, announced its latest "victory," claiming that Delta Air Lines had decided to stop serving a snack produced in the Barkan Industrial Zone, due to its location in Samaria.

Electronic Intifada claimed that the decision was made after a complaint was lodged by a member of the far-left "Coalition of Women for Peace," publishing what it said was the text of an email in which the airline said that it would be dropping the product. The blog's editor, Ali Abunima, claimed that "Delta Air Lines lawyers ruled that Israeli settlement-made snacks should not be served."

Veteran Israeli activist Avi Mayer, however, was unconvinced, and promptly discovered that claims of a boycott were completely false.

In a letter to Mayer (which he promptly published on his Facebook page), the airline explained that the snack in question - a vanilla halva bar - had indeed been removed, but only as a result of "a normal catering cycle and review," in which the in-flight menu regularly changes.

But there was more. Not only were reports of a boycott unfounded, but Delta's representative explained that more than 1,000 Israeli-made items are "sourced by our local caterer," adding: "the snack (fruit) that replaced the bar is grown locally in Israel. Delta makes a practice of sourcing local goods for catering in most international markets we serve."

Speaking to Arutz Sheva, Mayer said he saw the revelation as proof that the BDS movement "has reached the point of desperation," pointing to a number of similarly fabricated claims of BDS "success."

"Their efforts continue to rack up one devastating failure after another, and so they find themselves scraping the bottom of the barrel and, when necessary, simply making stuff up. This has happened time and time again," he said, noting that "it seems to be happening with increasing frequency."

"When singer Lenny Kravitz cancelled a trip to Israel last year, BDS activists hailed it as a victory. It didn't really matter to them that Kravitz has said clearly that he was cancelling for totally unrelated reasons, was personally disappointed, and would visit Israel in the near future.

"When Sylvester Stallone, Claude Van Damme, and Bruce Willis cancelled a planned appearance in Israel last year, BDS advocates rejoiced. But the actors' cancellation was due to the death of Stallone's son, Sage, and had nothing at all to do with BDS - in fact, Stallone and Willis had both signed a statement of support for Israel several years earlier, along with Danny De Vito, Serena Williams, Nicole Kidman, Michael Douglas, and dozens of other celebrities.

"Also last year, Irish writer Gerard Donovan made a point of slapping down suggestions that his cancellation of a visit to Israel had anything to do with BDS. Explaining that he was recovering from cancer, Donovan said he wouldn't be 'bullied or cajoled' into caving to the BDS'ers' demands. 'If I had been well, I would have gone to Jerusalem,' he said. 'Nobody tells me where I can or cannot read my work.'"

In a scathing summary of the BDS movement as a whole, he added:

"The BDS Movement's tactics are clear: bully, threaten, and - if all else fails - just plain lie. The hallmarks of a failed movement."


Embarrassment as Anti-Israel Claims Debunked - Global Agenda - News - Israel National News

what i don't get is if BDS is such an abject failure, why are israelis, jews, and zionists wringing their hands in a panic about it and giving it so much airplay. i mean, you guys are giving them so much publicity, far more than they garner on their own.

So less and less people and organizations call off the boycott, that is the reason.

 

[MHunterB]

"what i don't get is if BDS is such an abject failure, why are israelis, jews, and zionists wringing their hands in a panic about it and giving it so much airplay. i mean, you guys are giving them so much publicity, far more than they garner on their own. "

What you don't get is that the comments above were not made by people 'in a panic': they are simply calmly confronting bigotry and setting the record straight.

I think that you've badly mischaracterized the responses above. Opposing the lies with facts and truth is not responding 'in a panic': truth is a potent disinfectant.

One might be tempted, though, to conclude that the absence of attempts to 'defend' the BDS bigotry and stupidity are an admission that even 'Palestinian supporters' know it's an abject failure and don't want to be seen posting near it.

Indeed, one might perhaps understand the quote above to indicate that it's the BDS supporters who are 'in a panic' ......

 

[sealadaigh]

Embarrassment as Anti-Israel Claims Debunked
"BDS" campaigners widely trumpeted their latest "success" - only for it to be revealed as false.

​

By Ari Soffer
First Publish: 8/6/2013, 10:44 AM


Pro-Israel activists have derided the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) anti-Israel movement, after a widely-trumpeted "success" in their campaign to isolate Israel was revealed to have been fabricated.

In the last few years, anti-Israel activists have embarked on a campaign to isolate the State of Israel politically and economically, calling for international boycotts and sanctions against the Jewish state.

Having failed to convince major investors to divest, and in the face of a continuously-strengthening Israeli economy, the movement has largely focused its efforts on small, symbolic battles against Israeli companies which manufacture products such as snacks and beauty products.

But it seems that even that tactic isn't quite working.

Last week, Electronic Intifada, a blog aligned with the BDS movement, announced its latest "victory," claiming that Delta Air Lines had decided to stop serving a snack produced in the Barkan Industrial Zone, due to its location in Samaria.

Electronic Intifada claimed that the decision was made after a complaint was lodged by a member of the far-left "Coalition of Women for Peace," publishing what it said was the text of an email in which the airline said that it would be dropping the product. The blog's editor, Ali Abunima, claimed that "Delta Air Lines lawyers ruled that Israeli settlement-made snacks should not be served."

Veteran Israeli activist Avi Mayer, however, was unconvinced, and promptly discovered that claims of a boycott were completely false.

In a letter to Mayer (which he promptly published on his Facebook page), the airline explained that the snack in question - a vanilla halva bar - had indeed been removed, but only as a result of "a normal catering cycle and review," in which the in-flight menu regularly changes.

But there was more. Not only were reports of a boycott unfounded, but Delta's representative explained that more than 1,000 Israeli-made items are "sourced by our local caterer," adding: "the snack (fruit) that replaced the bar is grown locally in Israel. Delta makes a practice of sourcing local goods for catering in most international markets we serve."

Speaking to Arutz Sheva, Mayer said he saw the revelation as proof that the BDS movement "has reached the point of desperation," pointing to a number of similarly fabricated claims of BDS "success."

"Their efforts continue to rack up one devastating failure after another, and so they find themselves scraping the bottom of the barrel and, when necessary, simply making stuff up. This has happened time and time again," he said, noting that "it seems to be happening with increasing frequency."

"When singer Lenny Kravitz cancelled a trip to Israel last year, BDS activists hailed it as a victory. It didn't really matter to them that Kravitz has said clearly that he was cancelling for totally unrelated reasons, was personally disappointed, and would visit Israel in the near future.

"When Sylvester Stallone, Claude Van Damme, and Bruce Willis cancelled a planned appearance in Israel last year, BDS advocates rejoiced. But the actors' cancellation was due to the death of Stallone's son, Sage, and had nothing at all to do with BDS - in fact, Stallone and Willis had both signed a statement of support for Israel several years earlier, along with Danny De Vito, Serena Williams, Nicole Kidman, Michael Douglas, and dozens of other celebrities.

"Also last year, Irish writer Gerard Donovan made a point of slapping down suggestions that his cancellation of a visit to Israel had anything to do with BDS. Explaining that he was recovering from cancer, Donovan said he wouldn't be 'bullied or cajoled' into caving to the BDS'ers' demands. 'If I had been well, I would have gone to Jerusalem,' he said. 'Nobody tells me where I can or cannot read my work.'"

In a scathing summary of the BDS movement as a whole, he added:

"The BDS Movement's tactics are clear: bully, threaten, and - if all else fails - just plain lie. The hallmarks of a failed movement."


Embarrassment as Anti-Israel Claims Debunked - Global Agenda - News - Israel National News

what i don't get is if BDS is such an abject failure, why are israelis, jews, and zionists wringing their hands in a panic about it and giving it so much airplay. i mean, you guys are giving them so much publicity, far more than they garner on their own.

So less and less people and organizations call off the boycott, that is the reason.

i think you mean "continue" or "join" or something like that.

people do not join boycotts lightly in my opinion and i think all the objections to it really play into their hands.

doesn't bother me. i totally support the boycott. the only reason actually why i am telling you this is i believe you (pl) have some incessant need to be "right" which overides the wisdom needed to be effective. by all means, continue to tell people it isn't working. i mind not one single bit.

the boycott of south arica was also a dismal failure and then, almost overnight, it became a resounding success.

 

[sealadaigh]

"what i don't get is if BDS is such an abject failure, why are israelis, jews, and zionists wringing their hands in a panic about it and giving it so much airplay. i mean, you guys are giving them so much publicity, far more than they garner on their own. "

What you don't get is that the comments above were not made by people 'in a panic': they are simply calmly confronting bigotry and setting the record straight.

I think that you've badly mischaracterized the responses above. Opposing the lies with facts and truth is not responding 'in a panic': truth is a potent disinfectant.

One might be tempted, though, to conclude that the absence of attempts to 'defend' the BDS bigotry and stupidity are an admission that even 'Palestinian supporters' know it's an abject failure and don't want to be seen posting near it.

Indeed, one might perhaps understand the quote above to indicate that it's the BDS supporters who are 'in a panic' ......

by all means, continue.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

what i don't get is if BDS is such an abject failure, why are israelis, jews, and zionists wringing their hands in a panic about it and giving it so much airplay. i mean, you guys are giving them so much publicity, far more than they garner on their own.

So less and less people and organizations call off the boycott, that is the reason.

i think you mean "continue" or "join" or something like that.

people do not join boycotts lightly in my opinion and i think all the objections to it really play into their hands.

doesn't bother me. i totally support the boycott. the only reason actually why i am telling you this is i believe you (pl) have some incessant need to be "right" which overides the wisdom needed to be effective. by all means, continue to tell people it isn't working. i mind not one single bit.

the boycott of south arica was also a dismal failure and then, almost overnight, it became a resounding success.

No, I mean the boycott is failing. Whereas though most people were against South African apartheid, most aren't against Israel's legitimacy in Judea and Samaria, and thanks to the wealth of information on the internet people can see both sides and of course side with the right side, that is Israel.

 

[MHunterB]

"doesn't bother me. i totally support the boycott. the only reason actually why i am telling you this is i believe you (pl) have some incessant need to be "right" which overides the wisdom needed to be effective. by all means, continue to tell people it isn't working. i mind not one single bit."

It's good for all to see that an avowed BDS supporter doesn't balk at the BDS crew falsifying 'results' or fabricating 'successes' - or even seeking to interfere with fellow citizens' practice of religion and thereby violating their civil rights. All in the cause of 'truth and justice'........

Yes, by all means DO continue to tell everyone that supporters of BDS are so dedicated, that the lies and the interference with Constitutional rights of fellow citizens are less important to BDS supporters than championing the cause of a foreign country.

It's certainly looking like BDS *is* the reality which the self-styled 'America Firsters' try to claim for AIPAC.

 

[sealadaigh]

"doesn't bother me. i totally support the boycott. the only reason actually why i am telling you this is i believe you (pl) have some incessant need to be "right" which overides the wisdom needed to be effective. by all means, continue to tell people it isn't working. i mind not one single bit."

It's good for all to see that an avowed BDS supporter doesn't balk at the BDS crew falsifying 'results' or fabricating 'successes' - or even seeking to interfere with fellow citizens' practice of religion and thereby violating their civil rights. All in the cause of 'truth and justice'........

Yes, by all means DO continue to tell everyone that supporters of BDS are so dedicated, that the lies and the interference with Constitutional rights of fellow citizens are less important to BDS supporters than championing the cause of a foreign country.

It's certainly looking like BDS *is* the reality which the self-styled 'America Firsters' try to claim for AIPAC.

i have seen no evidence that BDS has done these things that you claim. perhaps you will provide, from an as neutral and an as source as possible, instances where BDS is violating anyone's constitutional rights. i certainly condemn that and will discontiue my support for them. i assume they have been charged, tried, and convicted of such a crime. it certainly wouldn't be like you to present an opinion as a fact.

while i do support BDS i think it needs to be noted that i did say i totally support the boycott, whicch occurs on many different levels, BDS being one of them.

if we must pick nits, i revise my statement to "i totally support all legal actions of all those participating in the boycott of the state of israel, the jewish state. i see very little need to provide such qualifiers as most posts in this forum will become unnecessarily cumbersome. as for myself, i will let similar statements about support for israel, the IDF, zionism and etc. pass without making spurious acccusations accusing those posters of supporting trifiling matters.

as to the the "america firster" comment, i am not quite sure what you mean. i love this country but part of my loyalty to it means exercising my right to criticise it's policies and practices. i have really said very little about AIPAC other than i do think they should register as an agent of a foreign government, particulaarly as many AIPAC supporters and members have dual citisenship. i certainly, though, believe in the right to organise.

thank you for your attentiveness to my posts.

 

[MHunterB]

Embarrassment as Anti-Israel Claims Debunked - Global Agenda - News - Israel National News

Not my problem if you don't like the source : you've seen the info twice already. I'm sure you can check online and find other information about the incidents detailed in the article. Or, you could contact the people quoted directly......

You can choose to disbelieve INN, just because they are an Israeli news outlet. I don't think that's at all reasonable.