CDZ Basically, There Is No Such Thing As Judeo-Christian Values

[danielpalos]

What happened to the native Americans?

they are still with us
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So are refugees coming through our southern border.

 

[danielpalos]

What happened to the native Americans?

They are a link in the long chain of history that is the same in every continent and nation in the world.
They just happen to be one of the last major links, that they themselves are part of. Of larger groups, tribes, nations, ect. gobbling up and replacing those that came before.

It's a fact of human life. And of animal life too, by the way.

In other words, right wingers are just plain hypocrites; I get it, right winger.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Judaism and Islam share many tenets, so it would be more correct to separate things into "Judeo-Islamic vlaues" and "Christian values."

For example, Judaism and Islam both feature a single indivisible deity. Christianity does not.

Judaism and Islam both feature a very strict code to live by that covers all aspects of life. Christianity does not.

Judaism and Christianity share the same God. Allah is not the same god. He was the God worshipped by Muhammad's tribe

 

[occupied]

No human culture has any set of values that are not easily set aside for the sake of convenience.

How "convenient" has it been to battle the twin evils of slavery and abortion?
It's been a fight that has gone on for centuries and slavery still flourishes right under our noses
in many parts of the world.

Freedom and sanctity of human life are values that this country has always backed, in the majority.
Your comment is just cynical, easily disproved and the same people that bash religion and
laugh at it are the ones with little regard for human freedom and the sanctity of life.

Don't preach at me hypocrite. Everyone has blood on their hands in some way. If you had an actual sense of morality you would not be acting like you are somehow clean.

I actually am clean of the sins of slavery and the murder of the unborn. Not guilty. The question is why are you so touchy and sensitive on the subject?

I'm not touchy but I do pretty much despise the people who claim to be paragons of virtue. People who have an actual sense of morality and apply those rules to themselves are not so quick to cast the first stone. Every war, every execution, every genocide has been done under a facade of moral certainty. Only in hindsight have we ever tried to reckon with the slaughterhouse we live in.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

I'm not touchy but I do pretty much despise the people who claim to be paragons of virtue. People who have an actual sense of morality and apply those rules to themselves are not so quick to cast the first stone. Every war, every execution, every genocide has been done under a facade of moral certainty. Only in hindsight have we ever tried to reckon with the slaughterhouse we live in.

Your notion that I claim to be a paragon of virtue because I oppose slavery and abortion is quite a funny one
in a childish, self condemning sort of way.

I am VERY flawed and have more than my share of faults but approval of human slavery and killing of human beings in the womb are not among them. You must have your own reasons for feeling threatened by
my stance on two of societies' biggest and most long lasting failures of moral civilized behavior.
But that's for you to wrestle with.

 

[watchingfromafar]

So are refugees coming through our southern border.

STATUE OF LIBERTY
“Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free/The wretched refuse of your teeming shore/Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me/I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Do you know why we were given this statue?
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[watchingfromafar]

The term Judeo-Christian is used to group Christianity and Judaism together, either in reference to Christianity's derivation from Judaism, both religions' common use of the Bible, or due to perceived parallels or commonalities and shared values between the two religions.
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Judeo-Christian

The OP just does not understand the meaning of the term.
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[occupied]

I'm not touchy but I do pretty much despise the people who claim to be paragons of virtue. People who have an actual sense of morality and apply those rules to themselves are not so quick to cast the first stone. Every war, every execution, every genocide has been done under a facade of moral certainty. Only in hindsight have we ever tried to reckon with the slaughterhouse we live in.

Your notion that I claim to be a paragon of virtue because I oppose slavery and abortion is quite a funny one
in a childish, self condemning sort of way.

I am VERY flawed and have more than my share of faults but approval of human slavery and killing of human beings in the womb are not among them. You must have your own reasons for feeling threatened by
my stance on two of societies' biggest and most long lasting failures of moral civilized behavior.
But that's for you to wrestle with.

I have not actually said anything about the two bugs you have up your ass that don't seem to have anything to do with the topic at hand. You do seem to be the kind of person who could easily commit any atrocity in the name of the lord though. That's the big problem with Judeo-Christian values, they seem to be an exceptionally effective way to get poor people killing each other.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

In other words, right wingers are just plain hypocrites; I get it, right winger.

Not a hypocrite at all, fool! I wonder where you get your ideas from.

I am educated, unlike yourself, and accept as fact that we came into North America and displaced many native American people in a series of wars just as those native Americans who came over the Bering land bridge in an interglacial time period (approximately 12,000 to 13,000 years ago) from Eurasia and displaced the aboriginals in a similarly unfriendly way, undoubtedly.
One culture displaces another. It's a common pattern. Look up human history, fool.

That's the findings of scholars and scientists.

Clovis People Not First Americans, Study Shows

The Clovis people, known for their distinctive spearheads, were not the first humans to set foot in the Americas after all.

www.nationalgeographic.com

"Archaeological evidence of human occupation in South America also dates to the same time as the Clovis-culture materials. This suggests that people were living in the Americas before the Clovis people arrived. "

Clovis culture, i.e. our native Americans. The people that ran off the people that were here first.
Such as the Anasazi peoples
So I don't sit around wringing my hands over the ways of all of humanity from the dawn of time. It turns out you yourself are the ignorant and self righteous hypocrite you accuse others of being.
Native Americans live on their own sovereign land and receive government assistance. Do they have lots of
societal problems that we try to address? Yes.
Is it better than being slaughtered by one of the bigger more war like tribes that controlled N. America?
I would think so.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

I have not actually said anything about the two bugs you have up your ass that don't seem to have anything to do with the topic at hand. You do seem to be the kind of person who could easily commit any atrocity in the name of the lord though. That's the big problem with Judeo-Christian values, they seem to be an exceptionally effective way to get poor people killing each other.

Yeah. Actually YOU are the reason I mentioned my two "ass bugs" after you made an silly erroneous
comment about human behavior and how easily we accept evils, which is not true at all in any large meta-sense. Yes. Humans do horrible things sometimes.
And yes, when that happens society tries to correct and move on (think of the Holocaust, for example).

Ironically you are one of these hypocritical dopes who want to blame all the ills of the wold on religion
because you are too stupid and weak to take responsibility for yourself. I don't belong to any church,
by the way but I do admire committed Christians who go out of their way to help others.

They are not sheep who have abdicated their consciences because they pay off the government
once a year and let absolute imbeciles like Joe Biden act as a surrogate religious leader.
But that's something you will never understand.

 

[watchingfromafar]

On June 2, 1924, President Calvin Coolidge signed into law the Indian Citizenship Act, which marked the end of a long debate and struggle, at a federal level, over full birthright citizenship for American Indians.

The act read that “all noncitizen Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States be, and they are hereby, declared to be citizens of the United States: Provided that the granting of such citizenship shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of any Indian to tribal or other property.”

On this day, all Indians made United States citizens - National Constitution Center

In 1924 Congress enacts the Indian Citizenship Act

With Congress’ passage of the Indian Citizenship Act, the government of the United States confers citizenship on all Native Americans born within the territorial limits of the country.

Congress enacts the Indian Citizenship Act - HISTORY

 

[occupied]

I have not actually said anything about the two bugs you have up your ass that don't seem to have anything to do with the topic at hand. You do seem to be the kind of person who could easily commit any atrocity in the name of the lord though. That's the big problem with Judeo-Christian values, they seem to be an exceptionally effective way to get poor people killing each other.

Yeah. Actually YOU are the reason I mentioned my two "ass bugs" after you made an silly erroneous
comment about human behavior and how easily we accept evils, which is not true at all in any large meta-sense. Yes. Humans do horrible things sometimes.
And yes, when that happens society tries to correct and move on (think of the Holocaust, for example).

Ironically you are one of these hypocritical dopes who want to blame all the ills of the wold on religion
because you are too stupid and weak to take responsibility for yourself. I don't belong to any church,
by the way but I do admire committed Christians who go out of their way to help others.

They are not sheep who have abdicated their consciences because they pay off the government
once a year and let absolute imbeciles like Joe Biden act as a surrogate religious leader.
But that's something you will never understand.

Jesus said to examine your own sins before you point them out in others. That's something you will never understand.

 

[skews13]

[QUOTE="watchingfromafar, post: 27041070, member: 65411]
The term Judeo-Christian is used to group Christianity and Judaism together, either in reference to Christianity's derivation from Judaism, both religions' common use of the Bible, or due to perceived parallels or commonalities and shared values between the two religions.
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Judeo-Christian

The OP just does not understand the meaning of the term.
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[/QUOTE]

I thought the author spelled it out well. To a particular community of Christians, Jews are just a means to an end. Using your analogy, the Christian bible states that in the end, the Jews are killed once again.

To this group of Christians, their support of Israel is like the farmer fattening up the turkey for Thanksgiving.

I'm sure I can speak for many Jews, who do not share their "values", regarding their situation in Christians end times scripture.

 

[danielpalos]

So are refugees coming through our southern border.

STATUE OF LIBERTY
“Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free/The wretched refuse of your teeming shore/Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me/I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Do you know why we were given this statue?
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The French "passed the Torch of Liberty" to us?

 

[danielpalos]

In other words, right wingers are just plain hypocrites; I get it, right winger.

Not a hypocrite at all, fool! I wonder where you get your ideas from.

I am educated, unlike yourself, and accept as fact that we came into North America and displaced many native American people in a series of wars just as those native Americans who came over the Bering land bridge in an interglacial time period (approximately 12,000 to 13,000 years ago) from Eurasia and displaced the aboriginals in a similarly unfriendly way, undoubtedly.
One culture displaces another. It's a common pattern. Look up human history, fool.

That's the findings of scholars and scientists.

Clovis People Not First Americans, Study Shows

The Clovis people, known for their distinctive spearheads, were not the first humans to set foot in the Americas after all.

www.nationalgeographic.com

"Archaeological evidence of human occupation in South America also dates to the same time as the Clovis-culture materials. This suggests that people were living in the Americas before the Clovis people arrived. "

Clovis culture, i.e. our native Americans. The people that ran off the people that were here first.
Such as the Anasazi peoples
So I don't sit around wringing my hands over the ways of all of humanity from the dawn of time. It turns out you yourself are the ignorant and self righteous hypocrite you accuse others of being.
Native Americans live on their own sovereign land and receive government assistance. Do they have lots of
societal problems that we try to address? Yes.
Is it better than being slaughtered by one of the bigger more war like tribes that controlled N. America?
I would think so.

How about just plain hypocrisy? Refugees are coming in through our southern border.

 

[emilynghiem]

Judaism and Islam share many tenets, so it would be more correct to separate things into "Judeo-Islamic vlaues" and "Christian values."

For example, Judaism and Islam both feature a single indivisible deity. Christianity does not.

Judaism and Islam both feature a very strict code to live by that covers all aspects of life. Christianity does not.

Oh please!
Everyone divides things into three levels because people are
Mind, Body, Spirit.
Supergego, Ego, Id.
Individuals, forming Relationships, that connect us with greater society/collective humanity.

The Universalists teach "the trinity" as meaning Collective Truth, Justice and Peace.

Whether we are Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Buddhist, Nudist, Statist, Anarchist, Socialist Democrat or Capitalist Conservative, we recognize three authorities of Govt:
Judicial, Legislative, Executive
Or if you prefer to organize Govt
from the local rights of People to states and feds:
Local, State and Federal Govt.

There is always a "natural progression or relationship" between the
INDIVIDUAL or Physical/Empirical level of direct experience
And
COLLECTIVE levels, whether Collective society, Collective Truth/Knowledge, Humanity, Spirituality or Conscience.

Laws define the RELATIONSHIP between
INDIVIDUAL will and COLLECTIVE will.

This pattern is found in every Religion whether church or state laws, or personal philosophies as an alternative to any religion.
Because people experience life on three levels, from internal to external, from individual to relations with other people to relations with bigger institutions, nations and society.

All religions have their own language for the trinity structure!

 

[themirrorthief]

No human culture has any set of values that are not easily set aside for the sake of convenience.

How "convenient" has it been to battle the twin evils of slavery and abortion?
It's been a fight that has gone on for centuries and slavery still flourishes right under our noses
in many parts of the world.

Freedom and sanctity of human life are values that this country has always backed, in the majority.
Your comment is just cynical, easily disproved and the same people that bash religion and
laugh at it are the ones with little regard for human freedom and the sanctity of life.

What happened to the native Americans?

we are right here, what happened to you?

 

[themirrorthief]

No human culture has any set of values that are not easily set aside for the sake of convenience.

How "convenient" has it been to battle the twin evils of slavery and abortion?
It's been a fight that has gone on for centuries and slavery still flourishes right under our noses
in many parts of the world.

Freedom and sanctity of human life are values that this country has always backed, in the majority.
Your comment is just cynical, easily disproved and the same people that bash religion and
laugh at it are the ones with little regard for human freedom and the sanctity of life.

Don't preach at me hypocrite. Everyone has blood on their hands in some way. If you had an actual sense of morality you would not be acting like you are somehow clean.

I actually am clean of the sins of slavery and the murder of the unborn. Not guilty. The question is why are you so touchy and sensitive on the subject?

slavery is still very common in black nations

 

[danielpalos]

No human culture has any set of values that are not easily set aside for the sake of convenience.

How "convenient" has it been to battle the twin evils of slavery and abortion?
It's been a fight that has gone on for centuries and slavery still flourishes right under our noses
in many parts of the world.

Freedom and sanctity of human life are values that this country has always backed, in the majority.
Your comment is just cynical, easily disproved and the same people that bash religion and
laugh at it are the ones with little regard for human freedom and the sanctity of life.

What happened to the native Americans?

we are right here, what happened to you?

did you miss the memo? There are no honest injeun contingents on the right wing due to all of their bifurcation.

 

[danielpalos]

No human culture has any set of values that are not easily set aside for the sake of convenience.

How "convenient" has it been to battle the twin evils of slavery and abortion?
It's been a fight that has gone on for centuries and slavery still flourishes right under our noses
in many parts of the world.

Freedom and sanctity of human life are values that this country has always backed, in the majority.
Your comment is just cynical, easily disproved and the same people that bash religion and
laugh at it are the ones with little regard for human freedom and the sanctity of life.

Don't preach at me hypocrite. Everyone has blood on their hands in some way. If you had an actual sense of morality you would not be acting like you are somehow clean.

I actually am clean of the sins of slavery and the murder of the unborn. Not guilty. The question is why are you so touchy and sensitive on the subject?

slavery is still very common in black nations

Slavery should have never been an issue here.