Baruch Dayan Emmet: Naftali Frenkel, Gil'ad Sha'er, Eyal Yifrach- UPDATES

[fanger]

it should never have happened, if the Palestinians were civilized they would never have contemplated such an action. Just goes to show they are worse than animals, and like all rabid animals they should be put down

They haven't had an uprising in the West Bank for a while, are you interested in finding those responsible, or just an attack on anyone not of your Tribe?

Look, Fangless - it's incredibly tacky of you to mock others' grief. When you make claims about Palestinians mixed in with such filth, it dirties all decent Palestinian people. If you actually did care about them, you wouldn't insert yourself with the kind of gloating and board-nannying which you've displayed on this thread.

I suggest you only find it tacky when it pertains to Israeli jews, Palestinian grief does not enter into your mind, ever

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

The only ones responsible for murder are the murderers. Once you start holding people collectively responsible you are doing exactly what has been driving the back and forth fighting between Israel and Palestininians.

And then, innocent people get punished and killed for things they had nothing to do with, like those three boys.

What collective punishment? Israel knows who and what to target. They have found tunnels between houses even in the West Bank arab villages. Israel has gained a lot of intelligence the last couple of weeks. No innocents will be harmed in the course of the next operation.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

They haven't had an uprising in the West Bank for a while, are you interested in finding those responsible, or just an attack on anyone not of your Tribe?

Israel has had the murderers in custody for the last couple of days. Two men.

Any information on them?

In all seriousness - I find it hard to believe Hamas, as an organization would be behind it because it would seem an incredibly stupid thing to do - they would have to know the repercussions, it's impossible to see a gain for them.

Take a look at this 'Kidnapping Handbooks' May Have Guided Abduction - Defense/Security - News - Arutz Sheva

If it walks like a duck ............ etc

 

[Coyote]

The only ones responsible for murder are the murderers. Once you start holding people collectively responsible you are doing exactly what has been driving the back and forth fighting between Israel and Palestininians.

And then, innocent people get punished and killed for things they had nothing to do with, like those three boys.

What collective punishment? Israel knows who and what to target. They have found tunnels between houses even in the West Bank arab villages. Israel has gained a lot of intelligence the last couple of weeks. No innocents will be harmed in the course of the next operation.

My comment was in direct reference to the post I was responding to - not on what Israel is or is not going to do or on "collective punishment" but on the statement that the Palestinians are "collectively responsible".

 

[MHunterB]

It needs to be investigated and established whether the murderers were acting on their own, or whether this was part of some 'official' operation by HAMAS or some other group of thugs.

I would HOPE that Abbas would remove HAMAS from his government if they are the group responsible: the Palestinian people cannot afford to have such saboteurs of peace as part of their "leadership".

I don't know about the rest of you - but I'm composing a letter to our President (US) and that schmuck Kerry: a US citizen was just murdered, apparently because he was a Jew, and I do not think we should in any way support any organization or state which does not explicitly condemn such murder unequivocally.

 

[Coyote]

Israel has had the murderers in custody for the last couple of days. Two men.

Any information on them?

In all seriousness - I find it hard to believe Hamas, as an organization would be behind it because it would seem an incredibly stupid thing to do - they would have to know the repercussions, it's impossible to see a gain for them.

Take a look at this 'Kidnapping Handbooks' May Have Guided Abduction - Defense/Security - News - Arutz Sheva

If it walks like a duck ............ etc

There is all kind of stuff out in the internet and books - how to make bombs etc etc etc. I remember the Anarchist's Cookbook and that was what...50 years ago? The thing is - people can freely get these things. That doesn't mean that the writers of them are responsible for how they are used. If Hamas orchestrated this - then they'd be responsible. But if it was independently done then the responsibility lies solely with the murders and anyone who aided them. I just don't think Hamas is that stupid.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

The only ones responsible for murder are the murderers. Once you start holding people collectively responsible you are doing exactly what has been driving the back and forth fighting between Israel and Palestininians.

And then, innocent people get punished and killed for things they had nothing to do with, like those three boys.

What collective punishment? Israel knows who and what to target. They have found tunnels between houses even in the West Bank arab villages. Israel has gained a lot of intelligence the last couple of weeks. No innocents will be harmed in the course of the next operation.

My comment was in direct reference to the post I was responding to - not on what Israel is or is not going to do or on "collective punishment" but on the statement that the Palestinians are "collectively responsible".

And is it surprising why people have that opinion?

Remember the streets named after martyrs, the tv programs for kids telling them Jews are apes and pigs, the UN schools not exactly teaching peace in the WB and Gaza, etc.

 

[proudveteran06]

It's official: Bodies of the three teens were found in Hebron, 5 O'clock Israel time, by 3 Yeshiva boys.

The bodies were found in a well, in Halhul village, near Hebron. The families are informed.

- IDF forces are on the hunt to locate the kidnappers, raids on houses in Hebron.

- Palestinian Hamas in Gaza fear for the consqeuences of the kidnapping and killing of the boys.

- Jews in Hebron and Yitzhar call for price tag and revenge.

- All discussions, meetings, and gathering in Israeli Knesset put to hold till further notice.

Infuriating.

May the perps rot in Hell for all eternity.

I am so sick of this shit happening.

I DO believe in the Death Penalty . Don't know yet how those boys died but I am capable of inflicting the same pain letting them know they will never see Daylight again.

 

[Coyote]

It needs to be investigated and established whether the murderers were acting on their own, or whether this was part of some 'official' operation by HAMAS or some other group of thugs.

I would HOPE that Abbas would remove HAMAS from his government if they are the group responsible: the Palestinian people cannot afford to have such saboteurs of peace as part of their "leadership".

I don't know about the rest of you - but I'm composing a letter to our President (US) and that schmuck Kerry: a US citizen was just murdered, apparently because he was a Jew, and I do not think we should in any way support any organization or state which does not explicitly condemn such murder unequivocally.

Agree.

 

[Coyote]

What collective punishment? Israel knows who and what to target. They have found tunnels between houses even in the West Bank arab villages. Israel has gained a lot of intelligence the last couple of weeks. No innocents will be harmed in the course of the next operation.

My comment was in direct reference to the post I was responding to - not on what Israel is or is not going to do or on "collective punishment" but on the statement that the Palestinians are "collectively responsible".

And is it surprising why people have that opinion?

Remember the streets named after martyrs, the tv programs for kids telling them Jews are apes and pigs, the UN schools not exactly teaching peace in the WB and Gaza, etc.

It occurs on both sides of the fight Carolyn - Israel has streets and buildings and squares named after former terrorists. Israeli children can be taught to hate, though at least the Government is taking steps to address that and deeply questioning if that is the kind of society they want for their state...there is little of that with the Palestinians. Though, they don't have a state either.

It might not be surprising that they have that opinion - but does that make it right? An eye for an eye until everyone is blind?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Any information on them?

In all seriousness - I find it hard to believe Hamas, as an organization would be behind it because it would seem an incredibly stupid thing to do - they would have to know the repercussions, it's impossible to see a gain for them.

Take a look at this 'Kidnapping Handbooks' May Have Guided Abduction - Defense/Security - News - Arutz Sheva

If it walks like a duck ............ etc

There is all kind of stuff out in the internet and books - how to make bombs etc etc etc. I remember the Anarchist's Cookbook and that was what...50 years ago? The thing is - people can freely get these things. That doesn't mean that the writers of them are responsible for how they are used. If Hamas orchestrated this - then they'd be responsible. But if it was independently done then the responsibility lies solely with the murders and anyone who aided them. I just don't think Hamas is that stupid.

I do. I think they were kidnapped for bargaining , perhaps prisoner swaps, but things went wrong and they were probably murdered very soon after kidnapping, perhaps even the next day, before even talks of ransoms.

The two people charged with their murders were missing for several days right on the same day of the abduction.

 

[MHunterB]

I also agree that it's basically irresponsible to start talking about 'the Palestinians' being responsible: YES, I think the ones who made such gloating references to the kidnappings and celebrated them are disgusting individuals and YES I believe that such behavior feeds bigotry and hate.

But that doesn't quite rise to the level of 'criminal' behavior which it's justifiable to punish, no.

I'd compare it to the revolting behavior of Americans (of no particular ethnicity) who stop to take pictures of a person just hit by a car, or recording an assault on a woman and her toddler by another woman. It's revolting - but it's not directly criminal so what law could be being violated?

Did you know that there are Americans who will speed on the highway TAILGATING an ambulance with sirens going, just to see if they can get a glimpse of what's going on inside?

 

[Lipush]

I listen to this song, and thought to share. It's suiting to this night. Listen to the end

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

I listen to this song, and thought to share. It's suiting to this night. Listen to the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgYBqwBm8dU

Oh I love that one. I put it on the music thread a few months ago. It is beautiful, thanks for posting it Lipush.

 

[Lipush]

The house of one of the kidnappers was demolished (blown up) by Israeli forces.

 

[Indeependent]

I hope that whatever tehillim were said by God knows how many people serve for the boys as a reward in Olam Haba.
For all the macho talk I can express in terms of destroying the Mall in Gaza, I could never picture myself possessing the brutality to actually murder someone in cold blood just because they're members of another religion.

 

[Lipush]

Our boys are in heaven and there the killers will never reach

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

I didn't cry until I watched and listened to that song you posted just before, Lipush. It really is poignant.

 

[irosie91]

The only ones responsible for murder are the murderers. Once you start holding people collectively responsible you are doing exactly what has been driving the back and forth fighting between Israel and Palestininians.

And then, innocent people get punished and killed for things they had nothing to do with, like those three boys.

What collective punishment? Israel knows who and what to target. They have found tunnels between houses even in the West Bank arab villages. Israel has gained a lot of intelligence the last couple of weeks. No innocents will be harmed in the course of the next operation.

My comment was in direct reference to the post I was responding to - not on what Israel is or is not going to do or on "collective punishment" but on the statement that the Palestinians are "collectively responsible".

not ALL the "Palestinians" are responsible-----only those who support Hamas or
allow their children to attend schools that worship sluts like wafa idris There must be some
Palestinians are who are not depraved-----they are not responsible just as not all of their colleagues
in Germany joined the Nazi party. Those Palestinians who do not support the stink and filth of jihadism and the stink of caliphate and shariah------should have the opportunity to escape
responsibility for the filth of those who do support hamas and shariah filth and jihad filth

 

[Lipush]

Rabin square- tonight: