CDZ Barack Obama...Greatest President of Modern times

[oldsoul]

In Obama's last day as President, it is clear that he is the greatest modern President (post war)


If anyone disagrees....you must name a President with more accomplishments

Go

Arguing this point with you is a fools errand. You would never concede the point even if you where proven wrong. BTW a defacto government take-over of 1/6 of the economy is not something ANY President should be proud of. That should be something that is only done in a time of actual crisis, and time limited, if done at all. Also, government meddling in the private sector to, essentially, choose winners and losers is a COMMUNIST tactic. Go ahead prove ME wrong.

You lose once you start.....Defacto government takeover

Yes, de facto government take-over. How else would you explain all the mandates, price controls, etc.? Not to mention the "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." lie, the whole, "we have to pass it to see what's in it." B.S., everyone will have insurance crap, etc., etc.

 

[rightwinger]

In Obama's last day as President, it is clear that he is the greatest modern President (post war)


If anyone disagrees....you must name a President with more accomplishments

Go

Arguing this point with you is a fools errand. You would never concede the point even if you where proven wrong. BTW a defacto government take-over of 1/6 of the economy is not something ANY President should be proud of. That should be something that is only done in a time of actual crisis, and time limited, if done at all. Also, government meddling in the private sector to, essentially, choose winners and losers is a COMMUNIST tactic. Go ahead prove ME wrong.

You lose once you start.....Defacto government takeover

Yes, de facto government take-over. How else would you explain all the mandates, price controls, etc.? Not to mention the "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." lie, the whole, "we have to pass it to see what's in it." B.S., everyone will have insurance crap, etc., etc.

Lets see...

Are the hospitals run by the government? Are Doctors assigned by the government? Are live or die decisions about individual health procedures made by the government?

Doesn't look like anything close to a government takeover of the healthcare industry no matter how often the conservatives lie about it

 

[oldsoul]

In Obama's last day as President, it is clear that he is the greatest modern President (post war)


If anyone disagrees....you must name a President with more accomplishments

Go

Arguing this point with you is a fools errand. You would never concede the point even if you where proven wrong. BTW a defacto government take-over of 1/6 of the economy is not something ANY President should be proud of. That should be something that is only done in a time of actual crisis, and time limited, if done at all. Also, government meddling in the private sector to, essentially, choose winners and losers is a COMMUNIST tactic. Go ahead prove ME wrong.

You lose once you start.....Defacto government takeover

Yes, de facto government take-over. How else would you explain all the mandates, price controls, etc.? Not to mention the "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." lie, the whole, "we have to pass it to see what's in it." B.S., everyone will have insurance crap, etc., etc.

Lets see...

Are the hospitals run by the government? Are Doctors assigned by the government? Are live or die decisions about individual health procedures made by the government?

Doesn't look like anything close to a government takeover of the healthcare industry no matter how often the conservatives lie about it

Can I, legally, cancel my insurance and become self insured? No. Never before in American history have the American people been mandated, by the Federal Government, to purchase a good or service. It does not matter if you want to or not, you are REQUIRED by law to purchase insurance that covers things you will NEVER need. Men must pay for coverage for a hysterectomy, women must pay for coverage of testicular cancer. How does this make sense?
More to your "point", can a hospital run their business the in the way that makes the most sense for them and their patients? Only if the Feds agree. Can you go to any doctor you wish? Only if your insurer says so, or you pay out-of-pocket.(no real change there) Does Medicare/Medicaid deny claims for potentially life-saving procedures? Yes. Are Medicare and Medicaid run by the government? Yes.
Face it, while the old system was not perfect, it was not nearly as flawed as the ACA. Especially in the areas of personal freedom, liberty, and consumer CHOICE.

 

[oldsoul]

I fully expect Obama to get a monument on the National Mall

What has he done that even compares to that which Lincoln and Washington did? While Washington was our General in the Revolution as well as the first President, and Lincoln presided over the preservation of our union in her darkest hour, Obama has presided over a nation that has become more divided than eight years ago. To say Obama is even in the same ball park as these two is to insult their legacy and the memory of those who fought and died for them and us.

 

[rightwinger]

I fully expect Obama to get a monument on the National Mall

What has he done that even compares to that which Lincoln and Washington did? While Washington was our General in the Revolution as well as the first President, and Lincoln presided over the preservation of our union in her darkest hour, Obama has presided over a nation that has become more divided than eight years ago. To say Obama is even in the same ball park as these two is to insult their legacy and the memory of those who fought and died for them and us.

Lincoln
Washington
FDR
MLK
Obama


I can live with that

 

[rightwinger]

In Obama's last day as President, it is clear that he is the greatest modern President (post war)


If anyone disagrees....you must name a President with more accomplishments

Go

Arguing this point with you is a fools errand. You would never concede the point even if you where proven wrong. BTW a defacto government take-over of 1/6 of the economy is not something ANY President should be proud of. That should be something that is only done in a time of actual crisis, and time limited, if done at all. Also, government meddling in the private sector to, essentially, choose winners and losers is a COMMUNIST tactic. Go ahead prove ME wrong.

You lose once you start.....Defacto government takeover

Yes, de facto government take-over. How else would you explain all the mandates, price controls, etc.? Not to mention the "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." lie, the whole, "we have to pass it to see what's in it." B.S., everyone will have insurance crap, etc., etc.

Lets see...

Are the hospitals run by the government? Are Doctors assigned by the government? Are live or die decisions about individual health procedures made by the government?

Doesn't look like anything close to a government takeover of the healthcare industry no matter how often the conservatives lie about it

Can I, legally, cancel my insurance and become self insured? No. Never before in American history have the American people been mandated, by the Federal Government, to purchase a good or service. It does not matter if you want to or not, you are REQUIRED by law to purchase insurance that covers things you will NEVER need. Men must pay for coverage for a hysterectomy, women must pay for coverage of testicular cancer. How does this make sense?
More to your "point", can a hospital run their business the in the way that makes the most sense for them and their patients? Only if the Feds agree. Can you go to any doctor you wish? Only if your insurer says so, or you pay out-of-pocket.(no real change there) Does Medicare/Medicaid deny claims for potentially life-saving procedures? Yes. Are Medicare and Medicaid run by the government? Yes.
Face it, while the old system was not perfect, it was not nearly as flawed as the ACA. Especially in the areas of personal freedom, liberty, and consumer CHOICE.

You are required to have insurance

YOU get to pick the plans and coverages......That is not a government takeover

 

[oldsoul]

I fully expect Obama to get a monument on the National Mall

What has he done that even compares to that which Lincoln and Washington did? While Washington was our General in the Revolution as well as the first President, and Lincoln presided over the preservation of our union in her darkest hour, Obama has presided over a nation that has become more divided than eight years ago. To say Obama is even in the same ball park as these two is to insult their legacy and the memory of those who fought and died for them and us.

Lincoln
Washington
FDR
MLK
Obama


I can live with that

Ok...
Lincoln- President during Civil War ("won"), credited with ending slavery "arguably it was congress).
Washington- First U.S. President, General during Revolution, contributed more to how the day to day business of the government is administered than any other President.
FDR- Credited with ending the Great Depression (arguable that it was WWII), President during WWII.
MLK- Instrumental in effecting social change in race relations, essentially forced the Federal Government to act to stop "Jim Crow".
Obama- Enacted law taking a huge step towards socialised medicine. ??????
Doesn't seem like a very fair comparison. I mean really, didn't Wilson and Teddy do at least as much for the progressive agenda as Obama? Why exclude them? Reagan is credited with ending the Cold War, why exclude him? There are others, but I think I have shown my point....

 

[oldsoul]

Arguing this point with you is a fools errand. You would never concede the point even if you where proven wrong. BTW a defacto government take-over of 1/6 of the economy is not something ANY President should be proud of. That should be something that is only done in a time of actual crisis, and time limited, if done at all. Also, government meddling in the private sector to, essentially, choose winners and losers is a COMMUNIST tactic. Go ahead prove ME wrong.

You lose once you start.....Defacto government takeover

Yes, de facto government take-over. How else would you explain all the mandates, price controls, etc.? Not to mention the "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." lie, the whole, "we have to pass it to see what's in it." B.S., everyone will have insurance crap, etc., etc.

Lets see...

Are the hospitals run by the government? Are Doctors assigned by the government? Are live or die decisions about individual health procedures made by the government?

Doesn't look like anything close to a government takeover of the healthcare industry no matter how often the conservatives lie about it

Can I, legally, cancel my insurance and become self insured? No. Never before in American history have the American people been mandated, by the Federal Government, to purchase a good or service. It does not matter if you want to or not, you are REQUIRED by law to purchase insurance that covers things you will NEVER need. Men must pay for coverage for a hysterectomy, women must pay for coverage of testicular cancer. How does this make sense?
More to your "point", can a hospital run their business the in the way that makes the most sense for them and their patients? Only if the Feds agree. Can you go to any doctor you wish? Only if your insurer says so, or you pay out-of-pocket.(no real change there) Does Medicare/Medicaid deny claims for potentially life-saving procedures? Yes. Are Medicare and Medicaid run by the government? Yes.
Face it, while the old system was not perfect, it was not nearly as flawed as the ACA. Especially in the areas of personal freedom, liberty, and consumer CHOICE.

You are required to have insurance

YOU get to pick the plans and coverages......That is not a government takeover

Ok, so would you be in favor of a law that requires one to purchase a firearm of your choosing (you get to pick the type, make, and model, heck you can even buy it used)? If not, why? It's for the common good, we need to be able to defend ourselves in case of an invasion by a foreign power. The time to act is now, before the threat is imminent.

 

[oldsoul]

Arguing this point with you is a fools errand. You would never concede the point even if you where proven wrong. BTW a defacto government take-over of 1/6 of the economy is not something ANY President should be proud of. That should be something that is only done in a time of actual crisis, and time limited, if done at all. Also, government meddling in the private sector to, essentially, choose winners and losers is a COMMUNIST tactic. Go ahead prove ME wrong.

You lose once you start.....Defacto government takeover

Yes, de facto government take-over. How else would you explain all the mandates, price controls, etc.? Not to mention the "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." lie, the whole, "we have to pass it to see what's in it." B.S., everyone will have insurance crap, etc., etc.

Lets see...

Are the hospitals run by the government? Are Doctors assigned by the government? Are live or die decisions about individual health procedures made by the government?

Doesn't look like anything close to a government takeover of the healthcare industry no matter how often the conservatives lie about it

Can I, legally, cancel my insurance and become self insured? No. Never before in American history have the American people been mandated, by the Federal Government, to purchase a good or service. It does not matter if you want to or not, you are REQUIRED by law to purchase insurance that covers things you will NEVER need. Men must pay for coverage for a hysterectomy, women must pay for coverage of testicular cancer. How does this make sense?
More to your "point", can a hospital run their business the in the way that makes the most sense for them and their patients? Only if the Feds agree. Can you go to any doctor you wish? Only if your insurer says so, or you pay out-of-pocket.(no real change there) Does Medicare/Medicaid deny claims for potentially life-saving procedures? Yes. Are Medicare and Medicaid run by the government? Yes.
Face it, while the old system was not perfect, it was not nearly as flawed as the ACA. Especially in the areas of personal freedom, liberty, and consumer CHOICE.

You are required to have insurance

YOU get to pick the plans and coverages......That is not a government takeover

I do not get to pick the plan and coverage I want. I get to pick from what "big brother" says is "good for me". Gee, where have we seen this before?

 

[rightwinger]

I fully expect Obama to get a monument on the National Mall

What has he done that even compares to that which Lincoln and Washington did? While Washington was our General in the Revolution as well as the first President, and Lincoln presided over the preservation of our union in her darkest hour, Obama has presided over a nation that has become more divided than eight years ago. To say Obama is even in the same ball park as these two is to insult their legacy and the memory of those who fought and died for them and us.

Lincoln
Washington
FDR
MLK
Obama


I can live with that

Ok...
Lincoln- President during Civil War ("won"), credited with ending slavery "arguably it was congress).
Washington- First U.S. President, General during Revolution, contributed more to how the day to day business of the government is administered than any other President.
FDR- Credited with ending the Great Depression (arguable that it was WWII), President during WWII.
MLK- Instrumental in effecting social change in race relations, essentially forced the Federal Government to act to stop "Jim Crow".
Obama- Enacted law taking a huge step towards socialised medicine. ??????
Doesn't seem like a very fair comparison. I mean really, didn't Wilson and Teddy do at least as much for the progressive agenda as Obama? Why exclude them? Reagan is credited with ending the Cold War, why exclude him? There are others, but I think I have shown my point....

Obama is the greatest modern President....well deserving of a national monument

 

[rightwinger]

You lose once you start.....Defacto government takeover

Yes, de facto government take-over. How else would you explain all the mandates, price controls, etc.? Not to mention the "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." lie, the whole, "we have to pass it to see what's in it." B.S., everyone will have insurance crap, etc., etc.

Lets see...

Are the hospitals run by the government? Are Doctors assigned by the government? Are live or die decisions about individual health procedures made by the government?

Doesn't look like anything close to a government takeover of the healthcare industry no matter how often the conservatives lie about it

Can I, legally, cancel my insurance and become self insured? No. Never before in American history have the American people been mandated, by the Federal Government, to purchase a good or service. It does not matter if you want to or not, you are REQUIRED by law to purchase insurance that covers things you will NEVER need. Men must pay for coverage for a hysterectomy, women must pay for coverage of testicular cancer. How does this make sense?
More to your "point", can a hospital run their business the in the way that makes the most sense for them and their patients? Only if the Feds agree. Can you go to any doctor you wish? Only if your insurer says so, or you pay out-of-pocket.(no real change there) Does Medicare/Medicaid deny claims for potentially life-saving procedures? Yes. Are Medicare and Medicaid run by the government? Yes.
Face it, while the old system was not perfect, it was not nearly as flawed as the ACA. Especially in the areas of personal freedom, liberty, and consumer CHOICE.

You are required to have insurance

YOU get to pick the plans and coverages......That is not a government takeover

I do not get to pick the plan and coverage I want. I get to pick from what "big brother" says is "good for me". Gee, where have we seen this before?

No....you are required to have insurance

You get to pick any plan you want either from the private market or Obamacare Health Exchanges

 

[oldsoul]

Yes, de facto government take-over. How else would you explain all the mandates, price controls, etc.? Not to mention the "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." lie, the whole, "we have to pass it to see what's in it." B.S., everyone will have insurance crap, etc., etc.

Lets see...

Are the hospitals run by the government? Are Doctors assigned by the government? Are live or die decisions about individual health procedures made by the government?

Doesn't look like anything close to a government takeover of the healthcare industry no matter how often the conservatives lie about it

Can I, legally, cancel my insurance and become self insured? No. Never before in American history have the American people been mandated, by the Federal Government, to purchase a good or service. It does not matter if you want to or not, you are REQUIRED by law to purchase insurance that covers things you will NEVER need. Men must pay for coverage for a hysterectomy, women must pay for coverage of testicular cancer. How does this make sense?
More to your "point", can a hospital run their business the in the way that makes the most sense for them and their patients? Only if the Feds agree. Can you go to any doctor you wish? Only if your insurer says so, or you pay out-of-pocket.(no real change there) Does Medicare/Medicaid deny claims for potentially life-saving procedures? Yes. Are Medicare and Medicaid run by the government? Yes.
Face it, while the old system was not perfect, it was not nearly as flawed as the ACA. Especially in the areas of personal freedom, liberty, and consumer CHOICE.

You are required to have insurance

YOU get to pick the plans and coverages......That is not a government takeover

I do not get to pick the plan and coverage I want. I get to pick from what "big brother" says is "good for me". Gee, where have we seen this before?

No....you are required to have insurance

You get to pick any plan you want either from the private market or Obamacare Health Exchanges

Something that I am not disputing. Jeez, you really just don't get it do you? The government says I have to buy something, then tells me what that something must be as a minimum. How is that remotely close to allowing freedom, liberty, and personal choice? Things that are fundamental to this countries founding. Oh, wait, there it is. This country is fundamentally flawed, and only liberals, and progressives are smart enough to fix it. Am I close?
So, how about that firearm mandate? You in?

 

[mamooth]

How about we rename everything with "Reagan" on it to "Obama" now?

Seems right, given how Reagan was such a failure, and Obama such a success.

"Obama National Airport". Has a nice ring to it.

 

[Synthaholic]

Not to mention the "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." lie

That wasn't a lie. Sorry.

 

[Synthaholic]

I do not get to pick the plan and coverage I want. I get to pick from what "big brother" says is "good for me". Gee, where have we seen this before?

Only if "big brother" is the insurance companies.

 

[Synthaholic]

So, how about that firearm mandate? You in?

Everyone doesn't need a firearm. Everyone needs health care.

 

[Bush92]

Harry S. Truman. Kept communism out of Western Europe with Marshall Plan. Stood up to Stalin with Berlin Airlift and establishment of Truman Doctrine by again thwarting Stalin in Greece. Turned Korean War into a U.N. Action. Followed closely by George HW Bush. Handled the end of Cold War and collapse of Soviet Union deftly. Did not gloat at the fall of Berlin Wall and the Soviet Union. Had to deal with the shocking coup that happend to Gorbachev when he went missing for 3 days and no one knew who had control of Soviet nuclear arsenal. Invaded Panama and upheld the Roosevelt Corollary and Monroe Doctrine. Only lost to Clinton because of Perot.

 

[Bush92]

Obama legacy: racial division by his words and actions. Ruined US military (we have transgender people in military...really?). Paid ransom to terrorist for Bergdahl, released Manning and the Gitmo terrorist. Negotiated a deal that allows Iran to get a nuclear weapons program. Put in place a bloated disaster of a federal program the ACA. Pushed partisan politics to a new level. Could not call "Fundementalist Islamic Terror" what it was. Had the worst AG in history with Holder who lied and squirmed and spied on AP and members of Senate. Allowed millions of law breakers into this country by basically erasing our border with Mexico. Complete failure as POTUS.

 

[2aguy]

To this post...the only real reaction....

 

[2aguy]

Harry S. Truman. Kept communism out of Western Europe with Marshall Plan. Stood up to Stalin with Berlin Airlift and establishment of Truman Doctrine by again thwarting Stalin in Greece. Turned Korean War into a U.N. Action. Followed closely by George HW Bush. Handled the end of Cold War and collapse of Soviet Union deftly. Did not gloat at the fall of Berlin Wall and the Soviet Union. Had to deal with the shocking coup that happend to Gorbachev when he went missing for 3 days and no one knew who had control of Soviet nuclear arsenal. Invaded Panama and upheld the Roosevelt Corollary and Monroe Doctrine. Only lost to Clinton because of Perot.

The thing that did him in was his No New Taxes pledge which he broke...because Republicans actually hold their politicians to their word...and he paid for breaking that pledge....