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[rightwinger]

What a simplistic worldview. Can you explain why you are arguing that Democrats were the real liberals, while other people in this thread argue that those same Democrats were the real conservatives? Are you talking about different Democrats?

You are taking a North/South political position and converting it to a Democrat/Republican political position

Southern Republicans opposed integration and Civil Rights. You could not get elected dog catcher in the South if you supported Civil Rights

You're full of it. There weren't enough Southern Republicans at the time of slavery to elect a dog catcher. There certainly weren't enough to compile any statistics that anybody could post. But keep posting that nonsense anyway. There are people ignorant enough to believe it and thank you, maybe even pos rep you for it. You might as well be a hero to somebody. And it was NOT the Southern Republicans who were opposing integration and civil rights. Sure you can find somebody among any group to hold up as an example, but without those Southern Republicans supporting it, integration and civil rights would not have happened when it did.

As a matter of fact, the record shows that since 1933 Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes. Republicans and Civil Rights

Nonsense

Civil Rights was a North/South issue and yes there were Republicans in the South, but the South at that time was primarily Democrat. However, Northern Democrats were major proponents of Civil Rights legislation. There were Southern Republicans who ran against Southern Democrats.....guess what their position on Civil Rights was?

 

[L.K.Eder]

You are a far more patient woman than I am.

Yeah, Fox is a saint. I tend to be a bit more "gruff."

Well thanks to you both, but I am not as patient as I might sometimes appear. And I'm sure as hell no saint. Capable of anger, snarkiness, impulse to retaliate, feet of clay like any other person.

But I really really do like to keep things real and honest. And I appreciate and admire those who can focus on and debate an issue instead of just flaming somebody with whom they disagree or whom they dislike.

And I have a hard time being patient with those who deliberately mischaracterize and misrepresent other people because they can't attack them any other way.

i also like to keep things real and honest.

but unfortunately, all those dishonest posters disagree with my views.

 

[Stephanie]

It's the business of government to insure all people have rights.

That's the very foundation of what government does.

Protect and defend our rights.

ah, so abortion and marriage is now a right..

Privacy is a right.

Catch up.

really?

 

[rightwinger]

What a simplistic worldview. Can you explain why you are arguing that Democrats were the real liberals, while other people in this thread argue that those same Democrats were the real conservatives? Are you talking about different Democrats?

You are taking a North/South political position and converting it to a Democrat/Republican political position

Southern Republicans opposed integration and Civil Rights. You could not get elected dog catcher in the South if you supported Civil Rights

Actually, you are the one doing it, I am simply asking why two people who both believe that Democrats are the people who support civil rights say Democrats were the true liberals and the true conservatives. It seems a bit farfetched that they could be both at the same time.

Another common misperception on this board. The idea that Republicans were always all Conservative and Democrats were always all liberal. Up until 20 years ago you had Liberal Republicans and Conservative Democrats

 

[Foxfyre]

You are taking a North/South political position and converting it to a Democrat/Republican political position

Southern Republicans opposed integration and Civil Rights. You could not get elected dog catcher in the South if you supported Civil Rights

You're full of it. There weren't enough Southern Republicans at the time of slavery to elect a dog catcher. There certainly weren't enough to compile any statistics that anybody could post. But keep posting that nonsense anyway. There are people ignorant enough to believe it and thank you, maybe even pos rep you for it. You might as well be a hero to somebody. And it was NOT the Southern Republicans who were opposing integration and civil rights. Sure you can find somebody among any group to hold up as an example, but without those Southern Republicans supporting it, integration and civil rights would not have happened when it did.

As a matter of fact, the record shows that since 1933 Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes. Republicans and Civil Rights

Nonsense

Civil Rights was a North/South issue and yes there were Republicans in the South, but the South at that time was primarily Democrat. However, Northern Democrats were major proponents of Civil Rights legislation. There were Southern Republicans who ran against Southern Democrats.....guess what their position on Civil Rights was?

As I said, rave on. Some numbnuts will applaud you for your prejudice no matter how wrong you are.

 

[Sallow]

ah, so abortion and marriage is now a right..

Privacy is a right.

Catch up.

really?

Yep.

Despite the fact you conservatives are trying to tear that down.

 

[Sallow]

You're full of it. There weren't enough Southern Republicans at the time of slavery to elect a dog catcher. There certainly weren't enough to compile any statistics that anybody could post. But keep posting that nonsense anyway. There are people ignorant enough to believe it and thank you, maybe even pos rep you for it. You might as well be a hero to somebody. And it was NOT the Southern Republicans who were opposing integration and civil rights. Sure you can find somebody among any group to hold up as an example, but without those Southern Republicans supporting it, integration and civil rights would not have happened when it did.

As a matter of fact, the record shows that since 1933 Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes. Republicans and Civil Rights

Nonsense

Civil Rights was a North/South issue and yes there were Republicans in the South, but the South at that time was primarily Democrat. However, Northern Democrats were major proponents of Civil Rights legislation. There were Southern Republicans who ran against Southern Democrats.....guess what their position on Civil Rights was?

As I said, rave on. Some numbnuts will applaud you for your prejudice no matter how wrong you are.

Wrong about what?

Bottom line is conservatives have and had always supported slavery. Liberals may have initially supported it in this country but changed their minds.

 

[Stephanie]

Privacy is a right.

Catch up.

really?

Yep.

Despite the fact you conservatives are trying to tear that down.

LOL, the big lies

 

[Stephanie]

Nonsense

Civil Rights was a North/South issue and yes there were Republicans in the South, but the South at that time was primarily Democrat. However, Northern Democrats were major proponents of Civil Rights legislation. There were Southern Republicans who ran against Southern Democrats.....guess what their position on Civil Rights was?

As I said, rave on. Some numbnuts will applaud you for your prejudice no matter how wrong you are.

Wrong about what?

Bottom line is conservatives have and had always supported slavery. Liberals may have initially supported it in this country but changed their minds.

holy cow, ALL liberals are just all gosh darn saints.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You're full of it. There weren't enough Southern Republicans at the time of slavery to elect a dog catcher. There certainly weren't enough to compile any statistics that anybody could post. But keep posting that nonsense anyway. There are people ignorant enough to believe it and thank you, maybe even pos rep you for it. You might as well be a hero to somebody. And it was NOT the Southern Republicans who were opposing integration and civil rights. Sure you can find somebody among any group to hold up as an example, but without those Southern Republicans supporting it, integration and civil rights would not have happened when it did.

As a matter of fact, the record shows that since 1933 Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes. Republicans and Civil Rights

Nonsense

Civil Rights was a North/South issue and yes there were Republicans in the South, but the South at that time was primarily Democrat. However, Northern Democrats were major proponents of Civil Rights legislation. There were Southern Republicans who ran against Southern Democrats.....guess what their position on Civil Rights was?

As I said, rave on. Some numbnuts will applaud you for your prejudice no matter how wrong you are.

Every Southern Republican voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

 

[Foxfyre]

Privacy is a right.

Catch up.

really?

Yep.

Despite the fact you conservatives are trying to tear that down.

So you're saying that I don't have to allow the Fire Dept or Health Dept inspect my place of business? I have a right to privacy about that?

I don't have to submit to TSA security at the airport? That REALLY violates my privacy you know.

I don't have to open my briefcase for inspection at the courthouse any more? It lets those people see into private areas.

I don't have to prove my identity when I vote any more? I can be incognito?

And the school isn't allowed to question bruises on my neighbor's kid anymore? It's a private matter isn't it?

Abortion certainly is a matter of privacy in the first trimester. If we go by the strict language of Roe v Wade, however, the state has an interest in the welfare of the fetus by the second trimester and an intense interest in the welfare of the fetus by the third trimester when viability has been established. And the state's interest in the fetus would be dismissed by those who insist that the fetus is not a human being and should be disposable at the whims of the mother for any reason. And others should provide funding, medical facilities, and surgical removal on demand to protect her privacy?

You don't see a disconnect in that somewhere?

 

[NYcarbineer]

What a simplistic worldview. Can you explain why you are arguing that Democrats were the real liberals, while other people in this thread argue that those same Democrats were the real conservatives? Are you talking about different Democrats?

You are taking a North/South political position and converting it to a Democrat/Republican political position

Southern Republicans opposed integration and Civil Rights. You could not get elected dog catcher in the South if you supported Civil Rights

You're full of it. There weren't enough Southern Republicans at the time of slavery to elect a dog catcher. There certainly weren't enough to compile any statistics that anybody could post. But keep posting that nonsense anyway. There are people ignorant enough to believe it and thank you, maybe even pos rep you for it. You might as well be a hero to somebody. And it was NOT the Southern Republicans who were opposing integration and civil rights. Sure you can find somebody among any group to hold up as an example, but without those Southern Republicans supporting it, integration and civil rights would not have happened when it did.

As a matter of fact, the record shows that since 1933 Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes. Republicans and Civil Rights

You do realize that Southern Democrats were generally CONSERVATIVES, right?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Let's get down to brass tacks.

Conservatives supported slavery at the time..Liberals did not.

You're always the liar Shallow, always the liar.

Lincoln was the Republican, no matter how badly you want to rewrite history to serve your sleazy and shameful party.

 

[Foxfyre]

You are taking a North/South political position and converting it to a Democrat/Republican political position

Southern Republicans opposed integration and Civil Rights. You could not get elected dog catcher in the South if you supported Civil Rights

You're full of it. There weren't enough Southern Republicans at the time of slavery to elect a dog catcher. There certainly weren't enough to compile any statistics that anybody could post. But keep posting that nonsense anyway. There are people ignorant enough to believe it and thank you, maybe even pos rep you for it. You might as well be a hero to somebody. And it was NOT the Southern Republicans who were opposing integration and civil rights. Sure you can find somebody among any group to hold up as an example, but without those Southern Republicans supporting it, integration and civil rights would not have happened when it did.

As a matter of fact, the record shows that since 1933 Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes. Republicans and Civil Rights

You do realize that Southern Democrats were generally CONSERVATIVES, right?

You do realize that whether or not they called themselves conservatives had absolutely nothing to do with the statistics I posted?

 

[L.K.Eder]

i don't think foxfyre realizes much.

she is too preoccupied with her self-righteousness.

 

[Trajan]

Did the pledge mention kids under slavery or not? You make it sound like Lefties are the ones who brought up slavery.....

let me ask you a question, do you reallllly give a shit about this or are you just bored?

Let me ask again and see if I get an answer....Did the pledge mention kids under slavery or not?

I addressed that oh , now, must be 7-8 pages ago, last night at around ...530 pm post marked here, twice....

 

[elvis]

Nonsense

Civil Rights was a North/South issue and yes there were Republicans in the South, but the South at that time was primarily Democrat. However, Northern Democrats were major proponents of Civil Rights legislation. There were Southern Republicans who ran against Southern Democrats.....guess what their position on Civil Rights was?

As I said, rave on. Some numbnuts will applaud you for your prejudice no matter how wrong you are.

Every Southern Republican voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

all ten of them.

southern democrats: 87/94 voted against it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You're full of it. There weren't enough Southern Republicans at the time of slavery to elect a dog catcher. There certainly weren't enough to compile any statistics that anybody could post. But keep posting that nonsense anyway. There are people ignorant enough to believe it and thank you, maybe even pos rep you for it. You might as well be a hero to somebody. And it was NOT the Southern Republicans who were opposing integration and civil rights. Sure you can find somebody among any group to hold up as an example, but without those Southern Republicans supporting it, integration and civil rights would not have happened when it did.

As a matter of fact, the record shows that since 1933 Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes. Republicans and Civil Rights

You do realize that Southern Democrats were generally CONSERVATIVES, right?

You do realize that whether or not they called themselves conservatives had absolutely nothing to do with the statistics I posted?

They WERE conservatives, not 'called themselves conservatives'. They called themselves Democrats.

You need to read:

New Deal coalition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fifth Party System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Conservative coalition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Uncensored2008]

Privacy is a right.

Catch up.

Really?

So you fascists will be lining up and demanding the 1040 form be declared unconstitutional, given how distinctly it infringes on the privacy of all Americans? (save a tiny elite who are excused from taxation.)

(To the leftist proto-brain, privacy == abortion and has no other possible meaning!)

 

[Zona]

WTF do you mean, who cares?

How is any of this the business of the government?

They are not trying to Legislate this stuff. And don't pretend they are..
How is you think ABORTION and Homosexual marriage is the business of the Government?

It's the business of government to insure all people have rights.

That's the very foundation of what government does.

Protect and defend our rights.

Stephanie...come on. Really?