Average Americans voting against themselves.

[Toddsterpatriot]

No more so than the Democrat party.

No more so than the Democrat party.

Which party has actual plans and has been fighting against Republicans for higher wages and increased economy?

Dems want to grow the economy?
Then why do they add so many regulations that strangle economic activity?

Ah the vague but evil "regulations" I've heard Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell NOT mention once as majority leaders.

You're such a right wing nut

Ah the vague but evil "regulations"

Hey, lets raise capital requirements on banks some more, that'll boost lending, eh?

So you want banks to not have enough cash on hand in case of the next crash you say is inevidibly is coming?

If you force banks to hold too much capital, they'll reduce lending and never make a decent profit.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Really? Then why is Bill Gates a Nevada corporation?

It's not for your imagined 4% tax rate.

Microsoft is a Nevada corporation.

Why would that impact their federal tax rate? Spell it out and I'll be happy to show you your error.

Nevada IS special.

Then you should be able to show how it reduces Federal taxes owed.

It is true right to work and tax breaks have lured companies away but bye bye middle class.

This is where government needs to do some social engineering

It is true right to work and tax breaks have lured companies away

Nevada can give you Federal tax breaks?

Did you know blue States pay more federal $ and red states take more than they pay?

Maybe we should cut off the free lunch

Did you know blue States pay more federal $ and red states take more than they pay?

State don't pay Federal taxes. Derp!

Maybe we should cut off the free lunch

I'd cut Federal spending by 50%.

We know what you would do. You'd go back to bushanomics or WORSE.

Bush spent too much.....way too much.

 

[Windship]

Why would any American citizen vote Republican when their Party leaders want to:

• Privatize Social Security and give the money to Wall Street like they did workers pensions (401k),
• Repeal the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) to remove limits on private insurance profit (they tried 62 times although Obamacare largely uses their own proposed ideas to avoid single-payer Medicare),
• De-fund public education in favor of privatized schools (how has that worked out?),
• De-fund the Public Broadcasting System (PBS) to eliminate reliable factual news in favor of propaganda from corporate owned media (mostly accomplished),
• Break up worker unions so employees can't defend themselves against corporate abuse like bad working conditions, low pay, and factory closings (mostly accomplished - notice the increases in airline near misses and accidents since Reagan smashed the air traffic controllers union?),
• Override the sovereignty of national laws with international trade agreements so nations can be sued for lost corporate profits and factories can move to low wage countries among other outrages (NAFTA was a disaster and TPP is about to be - unfortunately the Clintons and Obama have cooperated on this),
• Eliminate New Deal anti-trust regulations to reduce or eliminate industrial competition and allow large corporations to merge into mega-corps with near monopoly power (these mega-mergers began with Reagan),
• And eliminate the power of USDA and FDA to regulate food and drug companies and let them police themselves (mostly accomplished - notice the increase in food scares lately, and the prescription drug commercials on radio and TV - particularly Viagra, Cialis, etc. all since Reagan).

I don't want to get too long here, so I will stop. Some would argue the Democrats are not innocent in these things; I would not disagree. But these policies are mostly Republican, or should I say corporate Republican.

I seriously don't believe the average Republican voter wants to do these things. It's corporate propaganda that convinces them to vote Republican. So swayed, they vote against their own best interests.

I am afraid this is a make it or break it election for America. The battle breaks down to a political war between powerful corporations and the rights of the people. Corporations already have near control of government (the dawn of fascism), and the two political party establishments, secured with corporate mass media and misinformation propaganda. Bernie Sanders is the exception. In simple terms, socialism is concern for the common citizen, and capitalism is concern for corporate power and profits. Elite power distorts government for the people, so the people need to control elite power in socialism as well as capitalism.

Noam Chomsky recently made these comments concerning the Republican Party:

...like convincing a blue collar worker that unions are bad...lmao, just unadulterated ignorance personified. A lot of what you say is true but as for as sanders being and exception?? bernie sanders sees nothing wrong with illegal immigration or H1B visa's. Hows that fit into your "exception".
You think you get it...ur gettin close but you are STILL stuck an the D or R thing. First thing...you have to jettison those party affiliations. Then youve begun to see.
Until then, your just another ignorant unreasonable stick figure.
Go to you tube and watch "Chris Hedges".

 

[OnePercenter]

Yes! Because your 40% tax on your fake trust is proof that the Republicans love you

That's 4%, and that's why folks like Bill Gates are Nevada corporations.

The Feds don't care what state your fake trust is in, you're paying a higher rate than an individual.

The Feds don't care what state your fake trust is in, you're paying a higher rate than an individual.

Really? Then why is Bill Gates a Nevada corporation?

Microsoft is a Nevada corporation.

Swift Trucking headquartered in Phoenix is a Nevada corporation.

Nevada IS special.

Really? Then why is Bill Gates a Nevada corporation?

It's not for your imagined 4% tax rate.

Microsoft is a Nevada corporation.

Why would that impact their federal tax rate? Spell it out and I'll be happy to show you your error.

Nevada IS special.

Then you should be able to show how it reduces Federal taxes owed.

For 2015, I paid 4% of my total income in federal tax.

Nevada has no IRS information sharing agreement. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

For 2015, I paid 4% of my total income in federal tax.

Based on your confusion between corporate revenue and corporate income, your claim makes me laugh.

What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

So Nevada doesn't reduce your Federal tax rate, you're committing fraud. Thanks for the admission.

Based on your confusion between corporate revenue and corporate income, your claim makes me laugh.

Again, revenue and income are IRS terms. Revenue is called differently than income because you have an added deductible benefit.

So Nevada doesn't reduce your Federal tax rate, you're committing fraud. Thanks for the admission.

Nevada doesn't disallow family trusts as corporations. The IRS only see's a corporation since no information is shared. Where's the fraud?

 

[Windship]

[/QUOTE]

Dear BIG YANK BAL 1976
Whatever side you are rooting for, you make them look just as bad
as some of the Trump voters who are just plain embarrassing.

Your approach either alienates supporters for your side
and/or sends MORE Trump voters into action getting their friends to answer
these kind of taunts and challenges.

Do you think your posts do anything to discourage Trump voters
or encourage Hillary voters?

Yuck. If you want to help Hillary then work on inviting support
from both parties, from Sanders and Conservative voters who
don't like Trump or his support base.
Unfortunately you make them look good in comparison is this what you want??[/QUOTE]

Ok, I agree but his words are true.
Congress is not going to do something that they've all been bought and payed for NOT to do.
Even if trump uses executive action to ok the project...listen up everyone...CONGRESS DOES NOT HAVE TO FUND IT!...That is fact.
It will never happen.
Tariffs??
Lol....never happen for the same reason. Do ppl think that after the 45 years it took, so far, for our government to **** the working people....do you
really think that all of a sudden, just because trump says so, everyone's gonna change their mind? Never gonna happen and if you think it will, you dont get it.
Stop thinking like a child.
Trump is a corportist. He will further the fascism growing rampid in the U.S. while his words sucker the ignorant....and maybe the just plain dumb... And (this is what astounds me)after we find out, lmao, AFTER the election, theres will STILL be millions of ppl that will STILL back his lying traitorous ass.

 

[Windship]

It pains me to say this, but YES! What it has become is a threat to America's leadership in the world. Cutting 40% of all r&d funding and half of all infrastructure funding will do just that. America will be much weaker! America will have a another and another massive recession or even a depression because of massive deregulations.

I seriously doubt the American people will allow them to get full power in NOv, but if they do America is finished as a respectable world power.

OMG!!
Does anybody know what going on here, the world.
Our Country is being systematically dismantled by or government for the sake of the world economy. Ok...look at those words and really ask yourself what they mean....World Economy" WORLD not U.S. economy but WORLD economy. How does that fit into sovereignty Arent we a sovereign nation??...
Rich and poor. Thats what they want. And they're getting it to as we bicker over dumb ******* shit like this:

Average Americans voting against themselves.

Yes, indeed. The only people who have VOLUNTARILY chosen Tyranny over freedom in order to get

social security a ponzi scheme
Obama Hellcare
government mandated and financed "education"
new deal anti trust legislation

They have definitely voted against themselves

Why arent you asking where the ******* money is coming from for those two wars for oil that have taken over 5,000 American lives and maimed 30,000 more and all we get is higher gas prices? Why dont you ask why reagan legalized over 5 million illegals or why we were lyed to about trade deals?
Ill just bet your a union hating blue collar worker, huh?

 

[Contumacious]

It pains me to say this, but YES! What it has become is a threat to America's leadership in the world. Cutting 40% of all r&d funding and half of all infrastructure funding will do just that. America will be much weaker! America will have a another and another massive recession or even a depression because of massive deregulations.

I seriously doubt the American people will allow them to get full power in NOv, but if they do America is finished as a respectable world power.

OMG!!
Does anybody know what going on here, the world.
Our Country is being systematically dismantled by or government for the sake of the world economy. Ok...look at theres words and really ask yourself what they mean....World Economy" WORLD not U.S. economy but WORLD economy. How does that fit into sovereignty Arent we a sovereign nation??...
Rich and poor. Thats what they want. And they're getting it to as we bicker over dumb ******* shit like this:

Average Americans voting against themselves.

Yes, indeed. The only people who have VOLUNTARILY chosen Tyranny over freedom in order to get

social security a ponzi scheme
Obama Hellcare
government mandated and financed "education"
new deal anti trust legislation

They have definitely voted against themselves

Why arent you asking where the ******* money is coming from for those two wars for oil that have taken over 5,000 American lives and maimed 30,000 more and all we get is higher gas prices? Why dont you ask why reagan legalized over 5 million illegals or why we were lyed to about trade deals?
Ill just bet your a union hating blue collar worker, huh?

The US economy is being dismantled by stupid ***** who seek to become electable.

Intervening/interfering in the economy in an effort to become electable.

 

[Windship]

Jesus fkn christ...what do you stipid ppl think they mean by "World Economy"? **** me!

 

[Windship]

Why arent you asking where the ******* money is coming from for those two wars for oil that have taken over 5,000 American lives and maimed 30,000 more and all we get is higher gas prices? Why dont you ask why reagan legalized over 5 million illegals or why we were lyed to about trade deals?
Ill just bet your a union hating blue collar worker, huh?
Why dont you ask yourself why prices go up and up and up and up while wages fall...in high tech too brother! Why dont you ask yourself what happens when that happens?
For cryin out loud! You dont even try!!
You get the government you deserve.

 

[Correll]

Why would any American citizen vote Republican when their Party leaders want to:

• Privatize Social Security and give the money to Wall Street like they did workers pensions (401k),
• ...]

I stopped reading here.

This is mis characterization of a plan put forth by a few on the Far Right. It has never been part of the National Platform.

AND such a plan would give the money to the actual citizens far more than the current one.

For example citizens could leave their retirement fund to their heirs.

 

[Windship]

Hopefully whatever emerges from this meltdown will give us two strong parties.

Assuming, of course, that the Democrats can keep THEIR shit together.

A third sure would be nice.

When are you going to educate yourself and stop hoping?

 

[Windship]

Both major Parties pose dangers where partisan beliefs are pushed above and beyond the Constitutional limits on govt.
instead of enforcing the laws to include protect and represent all ppl's beliefs interest and consent equally.

Constitutionalists are only "dangerous" to politicians who fail to enforce and respect the Constitution.
That goes for both Republicans and Democrats.

HERE, HERE!

 

[Windship]

Where does the low information left think the Social Security tax money goes now? Democrats used to steal every dime until LBJ made it legal and now FICA taxes go into the general fund to be spent by politicians like an unaccounted windfall. Of course people still get their checks every month and that's why we are in debt. Bush tried to let Americans invest a tiny portion of their Social Security taxes in the Stock Market but democrats screamed. They wanted every damned dime.

OMG!!
ANOTHER unbelievably ignorant, embarrassing statement!
Corporate, our gov and the rich want every dime.
We are in debt because we have jettisoned our manufacturing base while letting in 20 million+ illegal aliens driving down wages and benefits while increasing H1B visa's by 250,000 more per year. All this as prices for everything go higher and higher further pulling money out of ppl pockets.
Another one thinking like a child.

 

[Windship]

and how many ppl do you think would have a successful portfolio? You want to put ppl that dont know anything hardly about finance's in charge of they're own retirement? Sigh...and when they fail, where do their losses go? Never mind. You have no stomach for research and knowledge...the money that would be safely in a ret account for them, since they didnt know what they were doing, goes right into the stock market to go into some fat ass fat cats pocket. But they dont tell you that when they're slingin their crap and ppl like you eat it up with a spoon.
You get the government you deserve.

 

[Correll]

and how many ppl do you think would have a successful portfolio? You want to put ppl that dont know anything hardly about finance's in charge of they're own retirement? Sigh...and when they fail, where do their losses go? Never mind. You have no stomach for research and knowledge...the money that would be safely in a ret account for them, since they didnt know what they were doing, goes right into the stock market to go into some fat ass fat cats pocket.

1. That policy was never part of the national GOP platform

2. The vast majority would have a successful portfolio, in that they would get a better rate of return than SS.

3. There is no money sitting in a ret account for them, in SS. That is worse than a myth. What is in that box is a box of IOUs from the rest of the government, in our name.

 

[Windship]

The Republican party is ONLY dangerous to the middle class and poor, for us rich/wealthy folks it's a party!

Yes! Because your 40% tax on your fake trust is proof that the Republicans love you.

Yes! Because your 40% tax on your fake trust is proof that the Republicans love you

That's 4%, and that's why folks like Bill Gates are Nevada corporations.

Bill gates has spoken publicly that he want illegal immigration and Nevada leads the country in that arena...didnt even think of that...did ya?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why would any American citizen vote Republican when their Party leaders want to:

• Privatize Social Security and give the money to Wall Street like they did workers pensions (401k),
• Repeal the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) to remove limits on private insurance profit (they tried 62 times although Obamacare largely uses their own proposed ideas to avoid single-payer Medicare),
• De-fund public education in favor of privatized schools (how has that worked out?),
• De-fund the Public Broadcasting System (PBS) to eliminate reliable factual news in favor of propaganda from corporate owned media (mostly accomplished),
• Break up worker unions so employees can't defend themselves against corporate abuse like bad working conditions, low pay, and factory closings (mostly accomplished - notice the increases in airline near misses and accidents since Reagan smashed the air traffic controllers union?),
• Override the sovereignty of national laws with international trade agreements so nations can be sued for lost corporate profits and factories can move to low wage countries among other outrages (NAFTA was a disaster and TPP is about to be - unfortunately the Clintons and Obama have cooperated on this),
• Eliminate New Deal anti-trust regulations to reduce or eliminate industrial competition and allow large corporations to merge into mega-corps with near monopoly power (these mega-mergers began with Reagan),
• And eliminate the power of USDA and FDA to regulate food and drug companies and let them police themselves (mostly accomplished - notice the increase in food scares lately, and the prescription drug commercials on radio and TV - particularly Viagra, Cialis, etc. all since Reagan).

I don't want to get too long here, so I will stop. Some would argue the Democrats are not innocent in these things; I would not disagree. But these policies are mostly Republican, or should I say corporate Republican.

I seriously don't believe the average Republican voter wants to do these things. It's corporate propaganda that convinces them to vote Republican. So swayed, they vote against their own best interests.

I am afraid this is a make it or break it election for America. The battle breaks down to a political war between powerful corporations and the rights of the people. Corporations already have near control of government (the dawn of fascism), and the two political party establishments, secured with corporate mass media and misinformation propaganda. Bernie Sanders is the exception. In simple terms, socialism is concern for the common citizen, and capitalism is concern for corporate power and profits. Elite power distorts government for the people, so the people need to control elite power in socialism as well as capitalism.

Noam Chomsky recently made these comments concerning the Republican Party:

...like convincing a blue collar worker that unions are bad...lmao, just unadulterated ignorance personified. A lot of what you say is true but as for as sanders being and exception?? bernie sanders sees nothing wrong with illegal immigration or H1B visa's. Hows that fit into your "exception".
You think you get it...ur gettin close but you are STILL stuck an the D or R thing. First thing...you have to jettison those party affiliations. Then youve begun to see.
Until then, your just another ignorant unreasonable stick figure.
Go to you tube and watch "Chris Hedges".

..like convincing a blue collar worker that unions are bad...

Like the unions at Hostess, eh?

 

[DonaldFG]

Hillary is bought and paid for by the wallstreet.

Some of the stuff on your list is liberal bullshit. Some of the stuff is what liberals themselves vote for. All of it is dumb rhetoric.

And Trump is supported by white trash cocksuckers that believe all of his bullshit about that ******* border wall that's NEVER going to happen

You want cuntservative BULLSHIT, will all of you dumbfucks will still be supporting that fat blob of Orange shit, after he gets blown out in the elections???

HERE'S TO ALL OF YOU HILLARY HATERS


WERE GONNA BEAT YOUR ASS IN NOVEMBER, YOU MAGGOTS ARE TOAST

Hmm. We have six classifications for posts including two versions of funny. It seems we also need a class called "annoying".

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Feds don't care what state your fake trust is in, you're paying a higher rate than an individual.

The Feds don't care what state your fake trust is in, you're paying a higher rate than an individual.

Really? Then why is Bill Gates a Nevada corporation?

Microsoft is a Nevada corporation.

Swift Trucking headquartered in Phoenix is a Nevada corporation.

Nevada IS special.

Really? Then why is Bill Gates a Nevada corporation?

It's not for your imagined 4% tax rate.

Microsoft is a Nevada corporation.

Why would that impact their federal tax rate? Spell it out and I'll be happy to show you your error.

Nevada IS special.

Then you should be able to show how it reduces Federal taxes owed.

For 2015, I paid 4% of my total income in federal tax.

Nevada has no IRS information sharing agreement. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

For 2015, I paid 4% of my total income in federal tax.

Based on your confusion between corporate revenue and corporate income, your claim makes me laugh.

What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

So Nevada doesn't reduce your Federal tax rate, you're committing fraud. Thanks for the admission.

Based on your confusion between corporate revenue and corporate income, your claim makes me laugh.

Again, revenue and income are IRS terms. Revenue is called differently than income because you have an added deductible benefit.

So Nevada doesn't reduce your Federal tax rate, you're committing fraud. Thanks for the admission.

Nevada doesn't disallow family trusts as corporations. The IRS only see's a corporation since no information is shared. Where's the fraud?

The IRS only see's a corporation since no information is shared.

You're lying about your income to the IRS? Shame on you.

 

[Windship]

Yes it is. It is exactly what our gov wants. R+D.
A "Vast amount" will have a successful portfolio...as compared to 100% of them now...**** the rest of um right...
The corporations and the rich want every penny they can get out of us. They want us broke and willing to work for Pakistani wages...remember the new world economy?
No, no account with my money in it but its working and it would be a disaster to change it, wel...for ppl ON ss it would be but for everyone else its more profit. When are you going to stop this avocation for more and more corp profits as the rest of the country suffers. You got a hand in the cake?