AUstralian gun ban did not save lives...told you it didn't...

[2aguy]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


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hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

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At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

 

[theliq]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

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At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a Despot 3rd World Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..your comments are Mad.

 

[2aguy]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

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At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

 

[theliq]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

--------
At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

 

[2aguy]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

--------
At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

Here is a way to get to the posted story...

Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives - Courier Mail
www.couriermail.com.au/...port-arthur-gun-ban...saved-l...
The Courier‑Mail
2 days ago - The Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives. April 27 ... Not a single inquiry or inquest was ever held into the Port Arthur massacre, unlike the two ...

 

[JakeStarkey]

2aguy continues with the fallacy of the false premise, that gun restrictions laws will end all gun deaths.

No one ever said it would.

What 2aguy won't do is plot the incident rate in relationship to the population.

Plot the US against GB and Aus, and the incident rate of the US is monstrous in numbers and per capita, compared to the Aussies and the Brits.

 

[2aguy]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

--------
At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

This is the start....hope you like reading...

3/29/16 Australian gun crime problem, reason article...

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

 

[theliq]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

--------
At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

Here is a way to get to the posted story...

Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives - Courier Mail
www.couriermail.com.au/...port-arthur-gun-ban...saved-l...
The Courier‑Mail
2 days ago - The Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives. April 27 ... Not a single inquiry or inquest was ever held into the Port Arthur massacre, unlike the two ...

An Opinion not fact

 

[2aguy]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

--------
At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

And more....

Scary trend in Australian gun crime



MONDAY’S siege in Sydney that saw three people shot and three held hostage before the gunman turned the firearm on himself was a terrifying reminder of the Lindt cafe crisis just over a year ago.

It comes as another man was shot dead in Victoria at close range last night, three days after a man was killed in a suspected shooting at a Melbourne motel and four days after a man was shot dead at a property in Ipswich, Queensland, with police called just after 2am.

Last month, a man accused of a shooting in Canberra allegedly boasted to police that the victim would be dead if he had pulled the trigger, because he had significant experience with firearms, despite not having a licence.

There were 207 firearms deaths in Australia in 2013, a rate of 0.93 per 100,000 people, higher than in 19 other countries, including the UK, Bolivia and Zimbabwe.

While we often shake our heads in horror at America’s problems with gun crime, it’s clear we are far from immune from the deadly influence of firearms.

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In New South Wales, weapons offences have risen 8.7 per cent per year over the past five years, to 11,471 in the year to September 2015. The New Daily reported in November that incidents involving firearms rose 83 per cent in NSW from 2005-6 to 2014-5. Charges for possession and trafficking of guns in South Australia saw a 49 per cent rise over four years.



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Victoria is similarly affected, with a 52 per cent increase in firearms offences to 3645 between 2009-10 and 2014-15. In Tasmania, there was a 26 per cent increase in firearm-related offences between December 2012 and 2015.

Victoria police chief Steve Fontana this week expressed fears about the rapid increase in shootings in the past eight months. The state’s Crime Statistics Agency Chief Statistician Fiona Dowsley said in December: “Weapons and explosives offences and drug use and possession offences have again seen statistically significant increases this quarter.

 

[2aguy]

2aguy continues with the fallacy of the false premise, that gun restrictions laws will end all gun deaths.

No one ever said it would.

What 2aguy won't do is plot the incident rate in relationship to the population.

Plot the US against GB and Aus, and the incident rate of the US is monstrous in numbers and per capita, compared to the Aussies and the Brits.

Wow...when you confiscate guns...you are not supposed to have an increase in gun crime....but Australia is having an increase in gun crime...and I cite Australian news sources....

 

[2aguy]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

--------
At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

And some more reading.....

Part 2...guns in Australian suburbs..

Australia’s hidden gun problem: the worst suburbs for gun crime | The New Daily

Melbourne’s northern and western suburbs are hotspots for firearms offenders and Sydney’s west has its problems too, according to previously unpublished data.

The Melbourne municipality of Hume, which takes in the suburbs of Broadmeadows, Gladstone Park and Jacana, has more firearms offenders than any other location in Australia’s two biggest cities, according to new police statistics.

And police blame Middle Eastern gangs for the latest unwelcome accolade for the hardscrabble area.

 

[2aguy]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

--------
At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

You asked for links...here you go.....and not one source is from the NRA....imagine that.......

Part 1.....

Spike in handgun crimes reveals nation’s secret problem | The New Daily

Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country’s underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade.

Previously unseen police statistics show that the number of pistol-related offences doubled in Victoria and rose by 300 per cent in New South Wales. At least two other states also saw a massive jump in firearms-related offences during the same period.



An investigation by The New Daily unearthed previously unpublished data for firearms offences collected from police and crime statistics agencies in four states – Victoria, NSW, South Australia and Tasmania.

The statistics detail the types of firearms offences police have pursued in the courts in the past decade and show some concerning findings, including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period.



Taken together, the data suggests that despite our tough anti-gun laws, thousands of weapons are either being stolen or entering the country illegally.

Associate Professor Philip Alpers, one of Australia’s leading firearms researchers and a director of the Centre for Armed Violence Reduction at the University of Sydney, said the national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns.

“The ban on semi-automatics created demand by criminals for other types of guns,” he said, adding: “The criminal’s gun of choice today is the semi-automatic pistol.”

Our investigation found:

• NSW: in 2014-15, there were 3463 firearms charges, up 83 per cent on 2005-06

• Victoria: in 2014-15, there were 3645 firearms-related charges, up 85 per cent on 2005-06

• SA: in 2014, charges for possession and trafficking of guns are up 49 per cent on 2010-11

• Tasmania: in 2014, charges for unlawful gun possession were up 32 per cent on 2005-06

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Although The New Daily has not been able to obtain data for Queensland and WA, the NSW statistics strongly suggest that the 12 months to the end of June 2011 was a turning point in the policing of Australia’s black market for firearms and ammunition.

In that year the charge count soared by almost 30 per cent in NSW, partly driven by a 61 per cent surge in charges for unauthorised possession of handguns. In the following year, the Victorian charge count also soared on the back of a 76 per cent blowout in ammunition-related charges.

 

[2aguy]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


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hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

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At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

And more on drive by shootings in Australia.....you aren't supposed to have those in a country that confiscated guns....

Nocookies

DRIVE-by shootings in NSW jumped by 41 per cent in the two years to December last year, with about half the 100 attacks occurring in three key areas in Sydney's west, new crime statistics show.

The NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research (BOCSAR) has released its latest report showing an alarming increase in drive-by attacks.

It comes as Sydney was rocked by five overnight shootings on three homes and two tattoo parlours in Sydney's west.

According to BOCSAR, there were 100 drive-by shootings in the two years to December 2011, up from 71 in the previous period.

About half of the incidents in western Sydney were recorded in three particular regions; Canterbury-Bankstown, Central Western Sydney and the Fairfield-Liverpool areas.

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[JakeStarkey]

Only a silly opines, "when you confiscate guns...you are not supposed to have an increase in gun crime....." when the fact is the rate is negligible while the population increases.

Notice the scaredy cat won't plot the rates and incidents per capital of the US, GB, and Aus.

He would lose immediately.

 

[MaryL]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

--------
At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How do you count the lives this action saved? Loses you can count. Sorry, mate not buying this.

 

[2aguy]

2aguy continues with the fallacy of the false premise, that gun restrictions laws will end all gun deaths.

No one ever said it would.

What 2aguy won't do is plot the incident rate in relationship to the population.

Plot the US against GB and Aus, and the incident rate of the US is monstrous in numbers and per capita, compared to the Aussies and the Brits.

And you pretend not to realize that the driver of murder is the intent to commit murder.....European and Australian criminals, to this point in time, simply do not commit murder as often as American criminals do.......our violent killers shoot each other over insults on facebook.....but murder is coming to Europe and Australia...they are importing their killers.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yup, the "83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period." is the result of the busting the guns people criminally hide from the LEO and then get caught.

When is the death rate? What are the numbers? Gives us numbers over the last ten years versus the population increase.

Matey, your opinion on cultural tendency to violence in the three countries . . . are opinion.

You are on the run, mate, without the numbers.

 

[2aguy]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

--------
At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How do you count the lives this action saved? Loses you can count. Sorry, mate not buying this.

You could count the 8 shootings where 3 or more lives were lost...since Australians claim they haven't had any since the ban....seems like they have ...and I have listed them on numerous occasions....

The only thing that stopped the shootings in Australia from being mass shootings was the shooter didn't decide to shoot more people. Had they walked into a school, a mall or a theater...with their illegal gun....they could have been mass shooters. Not one extreme gun law in Australia stopped them.....they did however murder other people...just not in a mass shooting...they still had illegal guns.....so were able to commit a mass shooting if they wanted


Last year the two muslim extremists who murdered people.....the one in the coffee shop, and the teenager who murdered the police employee.....they could have walked into a mall....or the one guy could have simply murdered every Australian in the coffee shop......

And as you can see with my posts......gun crime is on the rise in Australia.....

 

[2aguy]

Yup, the "83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period." is the result of the busting the guns people criminally hide from the LEO and then get caught.

When is the death rate? What are the numbers? Gives us numbers over the last ten years versus the population increase.

Matey, your opinion on cultural tendency to violence in the three countries . . . are opinion.

You are on the run, mate, without the numbers.

Nope......it is clear the Australians, and Europeans criminals have access to guns......in Europe they prefer fully automatic weapons........with those guns...they do not commit murder....that is the only difference....in fact...Britain is 2 x as violent as the United States..they just have less gun murder.

 

[2aguy]

Only a silly opines, "when you confiscate guns...you are not supposed to have an increase in gun crime....." when the fact is the rate is negligible while the population increases.

Notice the scaredy cat won't plot the rates and incidents per capital of the US, GB, and Aus.

He would lose immediately.

Yeah.....I'm just quaking in my slippers.....

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" andreporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."