Audio proves who shot down plane

[JimH52]

Alleged phone call: 'We have just shot down a plane' - CNN.com

It was some of Putin's thugs.

 

[B. Kidd]

The Kiev Government put this out there........so it must be true.

 

[Peach]

Alleged phone call: 'We have just shot down a plane' - CNN.com

It was some of Putin's thugs.

Austrailia has so concluded, in just over 24 hours:

'Russian-Backed Rebels' Appear To Be Behind Malaysia Plane Crash, Australian PM Says

Add the US & UK.

 

[dilloduck]

On purpose or accidentally ?

 

[B. Kidd]

Also, Ukraines Security Service has the air traffic control recordings with the jet. Why haven't they released those?

See JimH, truth IS the first casualty of war.......even proxy wars!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...ed-air-traffic-control-recordings-malaysian-j

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yeah

Wow

That was tough to figure out

Why did Obama give Putin the go-ahead

 

[Peach]

On purpose or accidentally ?

The rocket launch was on purpose of course, whether the target was mistaken is unknown.

 

[Peach]

Also, Ukraines Security Service has the air traffic control recordings with the jet. Why haven't they released those?

See JimH, truth IS the first casualty of war.......even proxy wars!

Ukraine's Security Service Has Confiscated Air Traffic Control Recordings With Malaysian Jet | Zero Hedge

Says one source, others say they wound up in Mother Russia, oddly enough.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I usually just go to eBay to buy Surface to Air missiles...it was the Russians...wow...takes a genius to figure that out

 

[dilloduck]

On purpose or accidentally ?

The rocket launch was on purpose of course, whether the target was mistaken is unknown.

I can't see any motive for the separatists to target a Malaysian civilian aircraft, do you ?

 

[Ava]

Alleged phone call: 'We have just shot down a plane' - CNN.com

It was some of Putin's thugs.

And the mangled bodies of 298 human-beings lay decaying in a stretch of land miles long, in a war zone, as their families and friends grieve an unimaginable reality, which will now and forever, determine their own destinies, as they try to grasp the images of their loved ones, dead and alone and unattended. May they all rest in peace. My heart breaks for them.

 

[Peach]

On purpose or accidentally ?

The rocket launch was on purpose of course, whether the target was mistaken is unknown.

I can't see any motive for the separatists to target a Malaysian civilian aircraft, do you ?

No, and all the other the recently downed aircraft were not passenger flights.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We know Putin wouldn't make a move like that without alerting Obama in advance, so the question is "Why did Obama give Putin the go ahead?"

 

[theHawk]

Of course it was Putin and his thugs behind this.

They know Obama won't do a damned thing to retaliate. He's "flexible" now, remember?

But hey, don't worry libs. Barry "Nobel Peace Prize" Hussein has everything under control. War in Israel, war in the Ukraine....and of course his personal culture war on America. Everything is going according to the plan.

 

[wavingrl]

The Malaysia Airlines crash is the end of Russia?s fairy tale - The Washington Post

<From the beginning, the Russian government did not send regular soldiers to Ukraine. Instead, it sent Russian mercenaries and security service operatives such as Igor Strelkov &#8212; the commander in chief in Donetsk and a Russian secret police colonel who fought in both Chechen wars &#8212; and Vladimir Antyufeyev, the Donetsk &#8220;deputy prime minister&#8221; who led the Latvian KGB&#8217;s attempt to overthrow the independent Latvian government in 1991.


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With the help of local thugs, these Russian security men besieged police stations, government offices and other symbols of political authority to delegitimize the Ukrainian state. In this task, they were assisted by the Russian government and by Russia&#8217;s state-controlled mass media, both of which still constantly denigrate Ukraine and its &#8220;Nazi&#8221; government. Just in the past week, Russian reporting on Ukraine reached a new pitch of hysteria, with fake stories about the supposed crucifixion of a child and an extraordinary documentary comparing the Ukrainian army&#8217;s defense of its own country with the Rwandan genocide.

Into this ambiguous and unstable situation, the Russians cynically funneled a stream of heavy weapons: machine guns and artillery and, eventually, tanks, armed personnel carriers and anti-aircraft missiles. In recent days, the separatist forces were openly using man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS) and boasting of having taken down large Ukrainian transport planes, clearly with Russian specialist assistance. Indeed, Strelkov on Thursday afternoon reportedly boasted online of having taken down another military plane before realizing that the plane in question was MH17. The blog post was removed. In late June, several different Russian media sources published photographs of Buk anti-aircraft missiles that they said had been captured by the separatists &#8212; though they were probably outright gifts from Russia. These posts have also been removed.>

Moving on---UN--probably 'not an act of war'--Sanctions for Putin--who will try to weasel out of this--but alas, one way or another he will be held accountable.

--US policy concerning Ukraine--region--should have been changed 20 years ago. Now needs to change. Not clear about the finer points. Not clear either what was being said about Reagan in the middle of this--maybe he developed the existing policies. Anyway--no time to think about what Reagan would have done.

And as far as I am concerned --now is not a particularly good time to criticize the current POTUS---but that is me. Not possible to fight against the entire world--some things are working as well as they can.

Putin--no matter what anyone 'says' to him---he doesn't care. Just doesn't. So--more misery for those who have no control over their lives. Hope Snowden is doing some thinking. Not where I would want to be at this moment.

 

[edthecynic]

We know Putin wouldn't make a move like that without alerting Obama in advance, so the question is "Why did Obama give Putin the go ahead?"

There is no way Sara Putin alerted Obama of anything. Sara Putin knows Obama would have told her to go f**k a moose. Sara Putin hates Obama almost as much as she hates America.

 

[Spoonman]

Alleged phone call: 'We have just shot down a plane' - CNN.com

It was some of Putin's thugs.

What will Obama do?

 

[JimH52]

Also, Ukraines Security Service has the air traffic control recordings with the jet. Why haven't they released those?

See JimH, truth IS the first casualty of war.......even proxy wars!

Ukraine's Security Service Has Confiscated Air Traffic Control Recordings With Malaysian Jet | Zero Hedge

Right and the Russian government has an elaborate on-line misinformation network. How is the weather in Moscow?

 

[JimH52]

We know Putin wouldn't make a move like that without alerting Obama in advance, so the question is "Why did Obama give Putin the go ahead?"

Are you off your Meds again?

 

[Peach]

We know Putin wouldn't make a move like that without alerting Obama in advance, so the question is "Why did Obama give Putin the go ahead?"

Are you off your Meds again?

So it appears. The world is not reacting in a positive manner to this slaughter:

Jet downing a 'game-changer' in Russia's relationships - CNN.com

The Russian rebels control this area, are hindering investigation, and recovery of remains, PUTIN'S BOYS:

The crash site is massive -- an international observer called it "one of the biggest -- or the biggest -- crime scenes in the world right now."
Concern is growing that the site has not been sealed off as it should have been and that vital evidence is being tampered with. Meanwhile, armed rebels have greeted international observers with hostility.