Assholes making trouble in Oregon

[peach174]

Megan Kelly on Fox is interviewing Aman Bundy on air.....and she is calling him a lawless criminal and taking him to task.

So....yeah....we are calling them criminals. Because they are exactly that.

She just called him out on the groups indication of being willing to be violent.

So...yeah...CC has no point once again.

Megan Kelly? Was she bleeding again?

He dropped the part where Bundy said he does not want violence, but would fight back if they fired first.
These are American Citizens who want the Feds to control themselves under the Constitution and stop abusing the people.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Again, it's not about grazing rights. You guys don't have a whole brain between you.

per se it is not. The fact is public lands can be leased for grazing, they cannot be used by anyone for anything without permission. That includes burning them, fencing them, grazing on them or armed personnel moving in and pretending they have rights they do not have.

 

[Dot Com]

why isn't allie providing any links for her zany statements?

Firemen had to vacate their positions because some profit-driven tinhorn set illegal fires.

The mysterious fires that led to the Bundy clan’s Oregon standoff

“Congress sought to ensure that anyone who maliciously damages United States’ property by fire will serve at least 5 years in prison,” acting U.S. attorney Billy Williams said in a statement in October. “These sentences are intended to be long enough to deter those like the Hammonds who disregard the law and place fire fighters and others in jeopardy.”

The trouble with the Hammonds and fire began in 2001. That year, the government showed, Steven Hammond went hunting, killing deer on land under control of the Bureau of Land Management. What to do to erase evidence of this game violation? Break out the matches.

“Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out ‘Strike Anywhere’ matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to ‘light up the whole country on fire,'” a Justice Department account of the trial read. “One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson.”

 

[bodecea]

why isn't allie providing any links for her zany statements?

Firemen had to vacate their positions because some profit-driven tinhorn set illegal fires.

The mysterious fires that led to the Bundy clan’s Oregon standoff

“Congress sought to ensure that anyone who maliciously damages United States’ property by fire will serve at least 5 years in prison,” acting U.S. attorney Billy Williams said in a statement in October. “These sentences are intended to be long enough to deter those like the Hammonds who disregard the law and place fire fighters and others in jeopardy.”

The trouble with the Hammonds and fire began in 2001. That year, the government showed, Steven Hammond went hunting, killing deer on land under control of the Bureau of Land Management. What to do to erase evidence of this game violation? Break out the matches.

“Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out ‘Strike Anywhere’ matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to ‘light up the whole country on fire,'” a Justice Department account of the trial read. “One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson.”

Apparently, that kind of arson is okay to Allie.

 

[Dot Com]

This is Oregon, not Nevada. If the Feds were to back down, the locals will not. And things might get rather messy. These are outsiders, causing big trouble, and threatening people with guns. It was time for them to leave before they got there.

They haven't threatened anybody lol and the people of burns despise the Fed's, with good cause. They support these people and are praying for them. Or is a progressive city dwelling douche who, like most progressives, wants the government to steal land and keep the locals away from it so people like him can come and occasionally camp or ride bikes through. He's a dumbass that has no authority to speak for the people of Harney county. He's just a milquetoast dumbass.

nobody is stealing land. dumbass.

Yes they are.
They are doing it in N. Texas right now just so that BLM can manage the red river.
BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch
They did it to all the other ranchers in Nevada just so they could have more turtle habitat.
They are now doing it to the Hammords hoping that the old man could die in prison in 4 years.
Western Ranchers have had enough of the BLM thugs.

pretty sure most of those claims are bunk, but i know for sure that the hammonds troubles have nothing to do with anyone grabbing their land

NO they are not bunk.
I know quite a few ranchers here in S.Arizona who have had to fight the BLM thugs.
My Husband used to work for a ranch in the early 1980's. BLM tried to take his ranch. He was a rich land owner and a Doctor, so he took them to court and won. Most don't have the money to do this.

Here is the history of how BLM got all of the other ranchers out around the Hammonds ranch.
Almost the same story with all of the ranchers who lived around the Bundy's ranch.
Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...

In 1964 the Hammonds’ purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres, stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told: “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”; 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentionally diverted the water bypassing the vast meadow lands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers who once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede; now the once thriving privately owned Silvies plains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

This is just one story out of thousands of BLM and the Justice system of abuse.

For 40 years the Feds have abused their power in order to get more land for what they want and the people have had enough of it.

conservativetreehouse.com? You trying to emulate PoliChic & her overt partisan sourcing?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Assholes making trouble in Oregon

Ooops, thought this thread was about the Black Lives Bowel Movement......carry on loons

 

[bodecea]

Fence them in and cut off power and water. And sit back and enjoy.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

What You Need To Know About The Oregon Militia Standoff

 

[paulitician]

They should just claim they're Illegals. Those folks can do anything they want these days. Hussein has given em an unlimited free pass. Just claim you're a poor abused Illegal, then get your freebies and a White House invite.

Oh shut up, you ******* idiot. This is about an illegal armed occupation of Federal lands, not President Obama.

If they were Illegals, African Americans, or Muslims, Hussein would have already intervened and given em all a big ole hug. But they white, so he ain't giva a shit.

 

[basquebromance]

 

[Dot Com]

^ rw meme boi is back. Stop w/ the posting of purty picktures son. We already got two rw'ers handling that

As to the OP, they can have a 1000 fire sticks (pun intended) but when they run out of food, its game on

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Federal authorities are planning to cut off the power of the wildlife refuge in Oregon that has been taken over by militia, exposing the armed occupiers to sub-zero temperatures in an effort to flush them out.

Authorities plan to cut off power to militia at occupied Oregon refuge

 

[peach174]

They haven't threatened anybody lol and the people of burns despise the Fed's, with good cause. They support these people and are praying for them. Or is a progressive city dwelling douche who, like most progressives, wants the government to steal land and keep the locals away from it so people like him can come and occasionally camp or ride bikes through. He's a dumbass that has no authority to speak for the people of Harney county. He's just a milquetoast dumbass.

nobody is stealing land. dumbass.

Yes they are.
They are doing it in N. Texas right now just so that BLM can manage the red river.
BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch
They did it to all the other ranchers in Nevada just so they could have more turtle habitat.
They are now doing it to the Hammords hoping that the old man could die in prison in 4 years.
Western Ranchers have had enough of the BLM thugs.

pretty sure most of those claims are bunk, but i know for sure that the hammonds troubles have nothing to do with anyone grabbing their land

NO they are not bunk.
I know quite a few ranchers here in S.Arizona who have had to fight the BLM thugs.
My Husband used to work for a ranch in the early 1980's. BLM tried to take his ranch. He was a rich land owner and a Doctor, so he took them to court and won. Most don't have the money to do this.

Here is the history of how BLM got all of the other ranchers out around the Hammonds ranch.
Almost the same story with all of the ranchers who lived around the Bundy's ranch.
Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...

In 1964 the Hammonds’ purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres, stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told: “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”; 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentionally diverted the water bypassing the vast meadow lands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers who once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede; now the once thriving privately owned Silvies plains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

This is just one story out of thousands of BLM and the Justice system of abuse.

For 40 years the Feds have abused their power in order to get more land for what they want and the people have had enough of it.

conservativetreehouse.com? You trying to emulate PoliChic & her overt partisan sourcing?

Complain about the link but just ignore the rest of what was said.

 

[basquebromance]

 

[basquebromance]

 

[ogibillm]

<snip> A jury of their peers convicted the Hammond's of setting those fires. They would not have done so without very convincing evidence.<snip>

Not quite true. Harney county and therefore the state of Oregon did not file charges, therefore the Feds did and used a terrorist law from 1996, making them just not arsonists, but terrorists.

Or is a proven liar. Oregon and their peers gave them a token sentence. A crazy Obama appointee came in later and appealed the sentence and added to it. The appointee quit for mental health reasons after stalking, and taking a hit out on, another attorney.

they were convicted of a crime that carried a MANDATORY MINIMUM sentence.

why do you support judicial activism?

The judge ruled that the mandatory minimum in this case was unconstitutional

no, he didn't

based on a lack of intent and zero property damage. The judicial activism was on the part of the ninth. It's what they're notorious for.

judicial activism is following the Congressionally set mandatory minimum sentence?

amazing that the 9th circuit is an activist court in your mind for following the law but the judge that ignored the law is not.

just goes to show you're batshit insane

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

"Meal Team 6" holed up in Oregon has asked supporters to send them this month's edition of "Big 'Uns"...a case of Mountain Dew and some Pork rinds and pronto..............

 

[Dot Com]

"Meal Team 6" holed up in Oregon has asked supporters to send them this month's edition of "Big 'Uns"...a case of Mountain Dew and some Pork rinds and pronto..............

They won't last long on pasta and beans lol. No veggies, no TP, etc...

 

[ogibillm]

This is Oregon, not Nevada. If the Feds were to back down, the locals will not. And things might get rather messy. These are outsiders, causing big trouble, and threatening people with guns. It was time for them to leave before they got there.

They haven't threatened anybody lol and the people of burns despise the Fed's, with good cause. They support these people and are praying for them. Or is a progressive city dwelling douche who, like most progressives, wants the government to steal land and keep the locals away from it so people like him can come and occasionally camp or ride bikes through. He's a dumbass that has no authority to speak for the people of Harney county. He's just a milquetoast dumbass.

nobody is stealing land. dumbass.

Yes they are.
They are doing it in N. Texas right now just so that BLM can manage the red river.
BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch
They did it to all the other ranchers in Nevada just so they could have more turtle habitat.
They are now doing it to the Hammords hoping that the old man could die in prison in 4 years.
Western Ranchers have had enough of the BLM thugs.

pretty sure most of those claims are bunk, but i know for sure that the hammonds troubles have nothing to do with anyone grabbing their land

NO they are not bunk.
I know quite a few ranchers here in S.Arizona who have had to fight the BLM thugs.
My Husband used to work for a ranch in the early 1980's. BLM tried to take his ranch. He was a rich land owner and a Doctor, so he took them to court and won. Most don't have the money to do this.

Here is the history of how BLM got all of the other ranchers out around the Hammonds ranch.
Almost the same story with all of the ranchers who lived around the Bundy's ranch.
Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...

In 1964 the Hammonds’ purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres, stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told: “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”; 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentionally diverted the water bypassing the vast meadow lands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers who once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede; now the once thriving privately owned Silvies plains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

This is just one story out of thousands of BLM and the Justice system of abuse.

For 40 years the Feds have abused their power in order to get more land for what they want and the people have had enough of it.

Let's assume everything you wrote is true (that's a huge assumption) what does any of that have to do with the arson committed by the hammonds?

 

[basquebromance]

Another lawless, unconstitutional overreach. The 2nd Amendment is an individual right. Mr. President, how about enforcing the laws we have?