Asian Americans are wealthier than white people...that would be impossible if America was racist

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Every single ethnicity had different founder effects (Genetic drift + Natural selection of a founding population)
From there the population usually grew, at different rates, and experienced sometimes bottleneck populations causing genetic drift, or other catastrophic events which could very well alter IQ... I.E Famine might cause for slower metabolisms, or War might kill the elite males more... That all obviously alters genes over time.

I don't know where so many people get this idea of some kind of equality by default.... Many Humans just seem to be stupid by default.

As for the differences between groups, yes we acknowledge that human beings adapt to their geography to some extent – but not enough to become different kinds of human beings.

Yeah, they really do.... The difference in within Africa is enormous between an Ethiopian, or a Pygmy, or Bushman.

Furthermore... Yes we aren't the same... That's why Anthropologist, and Forensics experts can tell race by skeletal remains.

 

[Paul Essien]

Every single ethnicity had different founder effects (Genetic drift + Natural selection of a founding population)
From there the population usually grew, at different rates, and experienced sometimes bottleneck populations causing genetic drift, or other catastrophic events which could very well alter IQ... I.E Famine might cause for slower metabolisms, or War might kill the elite males more... That all obviously alters genes over time.

I don't know where so many people get this idea of some kind of equality by default.... Many Humans just seem to be stupid by default.

You are saying that black IQ is lower because black people are naturally less intelligent

That's an exceptionally radical statement which needs exceptionally radical proof to back it up.

You are the one that is going against all know current scientific knowledge.

What evidence is there for Black equality?>

There is none.

- Scarr, and Weinberg Trans-racial adoption study showing lower IQ's for Blacks adopted into Middle Class Households.

The Minnesota Adoption Studies: Genetic Differences and Malleability on JSTOR

- Less genes for educational attainment found in Africans.

Genetics of racial differences in intelligence: updated

- Dolichocephalic skulls more prevalent in Africans linked to lower intelligence.

http://www.iosrjournals.org/iosr-jdms/papers/Vol15-Issue 5/Version-5/A1505050104.pdf'

- Smaller head size more prevalent in Africans linked to lower intelligence.

Big heads really are smarter

So you're saying that the human genome project is wrong and you are right ?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Every single ethnicity had different founder effects (Genetic drift + Natural selection of a founding population)
From there the population usually grew, at different rates, and experienced sometimes bottleneck populations causing genetic drift, or other catastrophic events which could very well alter IQ... I.E Famine might cause for slower metabolisms, or War might kill the elite males more... That all obviously alters genes over time.

I don't know where so many people get this idea of some kind of equality by default.... Many Humans just seem to be stupid by default.

You are saying that black IQ is lower because black people are naturally less intelligent

That's an exceptionally radical statement which needs exceptionally radical proof to back it up.

You are the one that is going against all know current scientific knowledge.

What evidence is there for Black equality?>

There is none.

- Scarr, and Weinberg Trans-racial adoption study showing lower IQ's for Blacks adopted into Middle Class Households.

The Minnesota Adoption Studies: Genetic Differences and Malleability on JSTOR

- Less genes for educational attainment found in Africans.

Genetics of racial differences in intelligence: updated

- Dolichocephalic skulls more prevalent in Africans linked to lower intelligence.

http://www.iosrjournals.org/iosr-jdms/papers/Vol15-Issue 5/Version-5/A1505050104.pdf'

- Smaller head size more prevalent in Africans linked to lower intelligence.

Big heads really are smarter

So you're saying that the human genome project is wrong and you are right ?

Never heard of Lewontin's Fallacy made against Lewontin?
or the fact that
Dawkins made also a criticism of Lewontin?

Human Genetic Diversity: Lewontin's Fallacy - Wikipedia

Lewontin's a Jew... If you didn't notice they have lots of reasons for being Liberal on race....

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

"Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins discusses genetic variation across human races in his book The Ancestor's Tale.[4] In the chapter The Grasshopper's Tale, he characterizes the genetic variation between races as a very small fraction of the total human genetic variation. He goes on to disagree with Lewontin's conclusions about taxonomy, writing, "However small the racial partition of the total variation may be, if such racial characteristics as there are highly correlate with other racial characteristics, they are by definition informative, and therefore of taxonomic significance."

 

[Paul Essien]

the only real privilege in America is American privilege. everyone is america has it. the privilege to make your own decisions and live the life you choose

Being white is not all peaches and cream, but white privilege does have its advantages:

• The police will not stop you for no good reason. Or shoot you unless you are clearly armed. They will even keep your neighbourhood safe.
• Car salesmen will charge you less.
• Employers will pay you more. Even more than a black person with more experience and education than you have. At work your ideas will be listened to more, you will trusted with more important things, you will be able to move up more easily and people are less likely to doubt that you can do something.
• If you are rushed to the hospital, doctors will try harder to save your life.
• Poor whites in general live longer than middle-class blacks.
• If you go to public school, the government will spend more on your education.
• You are more likely to be given the benefit of the doubt by strangers, especially if you are well-dressed.
• You do not have to think about the colour of your skin.
• You can live in any nice part of town you can afford.
• If you are a woman, society’s idea of beauty looks like you in terms of race.
• White History Month is the longest month – it never seems to end.
• Not just history but the news is told from the white point of view and reports on things that interest white readers. Like missing white women.

White privilege is something initiated by white people and maintained by the system. Society is constructed to favor whites and that obviously lacks balance.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

the only real privilege in America is American privilege. everyone is america has it. the privilege to make your own decisions and live the life you choose

Being white is not all peaches and cream, but white privilege does have its advantages:

• The police will not stop you for no good reason. Or shoot you unless you are clearly armed. They will even keep your neighbourhood safe.
• Car salesmen will charge you less.
• Employers will pay you more. Even more than a black person with more experience and education than you have. At work your ideas will be listened to more, you will trusted with more important things, you will be able to move up more easily and people are less likely to doubt that you can do something.
• If you are rushed to the hospital, doctors will try harder to save your life.
• Poor whites in general live longer than middle-class blacks.
• If you go to public school, the government will spend more on your education.
• You are more likely to be given the benefit of the doubt by strangers, especially if you are well-dressed.
• You do not have to think about the colour of your skin.
• You can live in any nice part of town you can afford.
• If you are a woman, society’s idea of beauty looks like you in terms of race.
• White History Month is the longest month – it never seems to end.
• Not just history but the news is told from the white point of view and reports on things that interest white readers. Like missing white women.

White privilege is something initiated by white people and maintained by the system. Society is constructed to favor whites and that obviously lacks balance.

I've been pulled over for just looking at a Cop car.... Try, and fail again....

How do you know poor Whites live longer than middle-class Blacks because of any kind of societal difference?
It's probably actually genetic, Blacks have much more high blood pressure, and diabetes risks.... Perhaps from what one might call "Thrifty Genes"

 

[Paul Essien]

"Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins discusses genetic variation across human races in his book The Ancestor's Tale.[4] In the chapter The Grasshopper's Tale, he characterizes the genetic variation between races as a very small fraction of the total human genetic variation. He goes on to disagree with Lewontin's conclusions about taxonomy, writing, "However small the racial partition of the total variation may be, if such racial characteristics as there are highly correlate with other racial characteristics, they are by definition informative, and therefore of taxonomic significance."

So you are saying there are species of mankind including sub species ?

 

[TNHarley]

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

"Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins discusses genetic variation across human races in his book The Ancestor's Tale.[4] In the chapter The Grasshopper's Tale, he characterizes the genetic variation between races as a very small fraction of the total human genetic variation. He goes on to disagree with Lewontin's conclusions about taxonomy, writing, "However small the racial partition of the total variation may be, if such racial characteristics as there are highly correlate with other racial characteristics, they are by definition informative, and therefore of taxonomic significance."

So you are saying there are species of mankind including sub species ?

I think that after a general 60,000 year split between the races, or more that yes we are borderline sub-species.

 

[Paul Essien]

I've been pulled over for just looking at a Cop car.... Try, and fail again....

Of course you can be pulled over by a cop as well as

1. Police harrassment/brutality
2. Assumptions of incompetence, regardless of how shiny your resume is
3. Decreased chances of garnering employment, higher education, or the most current health treatment, from the get go

All of the above things can happen to you (or any person), but they won’t happen to you backed by the institutional power of Whiteness.

Sure a Black (or white) cop can pull you over and harrass you but the law enforcement system (a White institution) is not designed to disproportionately assume your guilt because you are White.

It’s almost too obvious (and redundant) to type out that any [insert negative action] can happen to anybody.

The difference between it happening to someone who has White privilege and someone who doesn’t is that the issue of whether it happens solely because of skin color (on a systemic level) does not have to be taken into account by a White person.

 

[Paul Essien]

I think that after a general 60,000 year split between the races, or more that yes we are borderline sub-species.

DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair colour can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another.

It has never been a case of there not being differences between the way human beings look. The trouble is in the imprecise taxonomy. How do you define a “race” and might there not be other equally valid ways of dividing humans into taxonomical groupings ?

There are persistent and real genetic differences that cluster within so-called racial groups, and more so than many have heretofore believed.

Yet these differences still fall far short of indicating sub-speciation, which is the normal standard used by biologists to indicate different “races” or breeds of a larger species.

Many scientists worked hard on finding working definition of race as a biological fact. They all failed. They all failed not because genetic differences can’t be observed between various humans (after all, if there weren’t mDNA differences, we wouldn’t know much about human maternal ancestry).

They all failed because genetic differences do not support social races, races that divide people into (pardon my words) “black”, “white”, “yellow” and “red”.

The only living subspecies of the species Homo sapiens is Homo sapiens sapiens. That is current scientific knowledge. And it is very likely to remain the only one, unless Sasquatch or the Yeti decide to walk into a science lab for a DNA test one day.

There is a reason why blood transfusions and bone marrow transplants work. This is why a “black ” persons blood can save an white Irishman’s life with a transfusion and vice versa.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I think that after a general 60,000 year split between the races, or more that yes we are borderline sub-species.

DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair colour can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another.

It has never been a case of there not being differences between the way human beings look. The trouble is in the imprecise taxonomy. How do you define a “race” and might there not be other equally valid ways of dividing humans into taxonomical groupings ?

There are persistent and real genetic differences that cluster within so-called racial groups, and more so than many have heretofore believed.

Yet these differences still fall far short of indicating sub-speciation, which is the normal standard used by biologists to indicate different “races” or breeds of a larger species.

Many scientists worked hard on finding working definition of race as a biological fact. They all failed. They all failed not because genetic differences can’t be observed between various humans (after all, if there weren’t mDNA differences, we wouldn’t know much about human maternal ancestry).

They all failed because genetic differences do not support social races, races that divide people into (pardon my words) “black”, “white”, “yellow” and “red”.

The only living subspecies of the species Homo sapiens is Homo sapiens sapiens. That is current scientific knowledge. And it is very likely to remain the only one, unless Sasquatch or the Yeti decide to walk into a science lab for a DNA test one day.

There is a reason why blood transfusions and bone marrow transplants work. This is why a “black ” persons blood can save an white Irishman’s life with a transfusion and vice versa.

Well, if Dingoes can be a separate sub-species after splitting 6,000 years ago, why can't Negroids, Mongoloids, and Caucasoids who split for 60,000 years in general?

Even when you account for the earlier births of Dingoes, you still don't erase the fact that there isn't much of a difference in generational splits between a Dingo, and a Dog vs a White, and an Asian.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I've been pulled over for just looking at a Cop car.... Try, and fail again....

Of course you can be pulled over by a cop as well as

1. Police harrassment/brutality
2. Assumptions of incompetence, regardless of how shiny your resume is
3. Decreased chances of garnering employment, higher education, or the most current health treatment, from the get go

All of the above things can happen to you (or any person), but they won’t happen to you backed by the institutional power of Whiteness.

Sure a Black (or white) cop can pull you over and harrass you but the law enforcement system (a White institution) is not designed to disproportionately assume your guilt because you are White.

It’s almost too obvious (and redundant) to type out that any [insert negative action] can happen to anybody.

The difference between it happening to someone who has White privilege and someone who doesn’t is that the issue of whether it happens solely because of skin color (on a systemic level) does not have to be taken into account by a White person.

What is the institutional power of Whiteness, that you speak of?

Since Civil Rights it's existence is very questionable.....

 

[abu afak]

DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair colour can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another.

Laughable Ignorance or Lie.
Just send your blood into genetic services like 23andMe and they'll tell you what Percent of each Race you are.

Further, one doesn't even need skin or Hair color.
You can tell sub-Saharan/Asian/Euro ancestry from Skeletal or Muscular features alone.
Forensics experts and physical anthropologists use it every day in the course of their work.

There are persistent and real genetic differences that cluster within so-called racial groups, and more so than many have heretofore believed.

Yet these differences still fall far short of indicating sub-speciation, which is the normal standard used by biologists to indicate different “races” or breeds of a larger species.

That would be False.
You're just pulling crap from your derriere.
Many other Creatures with Races/subspecies have LESS morphological and Genetic distance than there are among human groups.

IOW,
You have no perspective on whether or not humans have enough distance.

Did you know our nearest relatives, Chimps and Gorillas, aren't just one race/subspecies either?
Do you object?
In fact:
Chimps have Two SPECIES each with a subspecies/Race.
Gorillas have Two SPECIES with 6 or 7 total subspecies/Races.
And our cousins never left Central West Africa, and were not subject to the hugely different environmental conditions humans were.

There is a reason why blood transfusions and bone marrow transplants work. This is why a “black ” persons blood can save an white Irishman’s life with a transfusion and vice versa.

There's a reason a Pygmy family can't hatch a Christie Brinkley or Ban Ki Moon: RACE/subspecies.
Even if a Pygmy was an albino, he would be easily discernible from the other two groups by the SETS of features that make up Race/subspecies.
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[abu afak]

Never heard of Lewontin's Fallacy made against Lewontin?
or the fact that
Dawkins made also a criticism of Lewontin?
Human Genetic Diversity: Lewontin's Fallacy - Wikipedia
Lewontin's a Jew... If you didn't notice they have lots of reasons for being Liberal on race....

Nice posting.
One so oft hears that there is "more diversity among groups than between them" (85/15).

But this is only true if looking at one genetic loci at a time.
With every additional one you look at, Race becomes more distinguishable.
Thus "Lewontin's Fallacy."
Dawkins commenting on the Utility of Race among humans. One of the justifications for it in taxonomy.

BTW, why do "Jews have reasons for being liberal on race".
On the contrary.
Ashkenazi Jews (the majority of Jews) have the highest average IQ's of any group, quite handily. (110-115)

And Jews have certainly been persecuted... for Millennia.
Many signs in the USA read "No Blacks Or Jews" until the 1960s
Yet Jews have the highest IQs and incomes after 2000+ years of persecution.
Kinda kills the Black scuse.

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[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Never heard of Lewontin's Fallacy made against Lewontin?
or the fact that
Dawkins made also a criticism of Lewontin?
Human Genetic Diversity: Lewontin's Fallacy - Wikipedia
Lewontin's a Jew... If you didn't notice they have lots of reasons for being Liberal on race....

Nice posting.
One so oft hears that there is "more diversity among groups than between them" (85/15).

But this is only true if looking at one genetic loci at a time.
With every additional one you look at, Race becomes more distinguishable.
Thus "Lewontin's Fallacy."
Dawkins commenting on the Utility of Race among humans. One of the justifications for it in taxonomy.

BTW, why do "Jews have reasons for being liberal on race".
On the contrary.
Ashkenazi Jews (the majority of Jews) have the highest average IQ's of any group, quite handily. (110-115)

And Jews have certainly been persecuted... for Millennia.
Many signs in the USA read "No Blacks Or Jews" until the 1960s
Yet Jews have the highest IQs and incomes after 2000+ years of persecution.
Kinda kills the Black scuse.

`

Ashkenazi Jews tend to like strength by numbers in multiculturalism, and anti-racism to avoid persecution...

The Ashkenazi Jewish IQ in Israel must be quite lower, considering Israel's IQ is 94 - 95.

 

[Asclepias]

It always makes me laugh when white people say there is no such thing as racism when its been proven time and time again they cant help but be racists.

 

[flacaltenn]

Second, people of any race who work full time, are married, and have high school diplomas tend not to be poor, meaning that poverty is a function of one’s choice not to do these things.

and because black married couples have a lower poverty rate than white single mothers, “life decisions” are what creates poverty.

the disproportionately black population in America’s prisons say nothing about racism, because black people simply commit more crimes, and if you don’t commit a crime, you’re not going to be arrested for it because the police are not going around arresting black people for the fun of it.

I always find it funny that people who argue that Asians are doing great are never Asians themselves

Why is that ?

Asians wealthier than whites ?

Not really

When you look at the facts

Median family income in 2014:

• $61,000 Asian American
• $52,500 white
• $38,000 Latino
• $35,300 black
• $33,240 Native American

Asian come on top in median family income but when you change it to personal income

You get:

• $24,000 whites
• $23,000
• $22,000
• $21,000
• $20,000 Asian American
• $19,000
• $18,000
• $17,000
• $16,000 blacks
• $15,000 Native Americans
• $14,000 Latinos

Asian Americans come out on top of whites in median family income only because Asian families have by and large more people working. So this was picked because it supports white ppls stereotype about Asians as successful, which in turn makes it seem like American society is not racist.

And let's break it down even more by nationality:

• $26,000 Japanese, Asian Indians
• $25,000
• $24,000 whites
• $23,000 Filipinos
• $22,000
• $21,000
• $20,000 Asian American, Chinese
• $19,000 Pacific Islanders
• $18,000
• $17,000
• $16,000 blacks, Koreans, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians
• $15,000 Native Americans
• $14,000 Latinos

Asian American covers too broader range.

Most who fled Indo-China after the Vietnam War and came to America with next to nothing are still at the bottom, making less than blacks on average. Even Korean Americans, despite their supposedly high IQs, have not clearly passed blacks, much less whites: they are the same as blacks in terms of median personal income ($16,300) and rate of home ownership

Where I got my data from

The distinction between median family income and personal income simply means that there are LESS dual working spouse households. It's a cultural thing. And despite your assertions, every indication is that UPWARD MOBILITY is much higher and faster among Asian immigrants than any long term American minority.

 

[flacaltenn]

Today's teenagers and twentysomethings cannot possibly comprehend how much racism existed before the 1960s.

So how do you explain the fact that even in the 1960's whites said there was no problem with racism ?

In 1963, a year before the Civil Rights Act was passed, two years before the Voting Rights Act, and five years before the Fair Housing Act, nearly two in three whites told Gallup pollsters that blacks were treated equally in their communities.

This, in the same year that Medgar Evers was shot down dead in his driveway in Jackson, Bull Connor plowed tanks through the black community and hosed down children in Birmingham

The same year that four young black girls were murdered at the 16th Street Baptist Church there

and George Wallace declared, “segregation today, segregation tomorrow and segregation ‘fahevah’”—a statement that was supported from whites all across the nation and not only in the south.

Even before that, in 1962, 85 percent of whites said that black children had just as good a chance to get a good education as white children. This, despite the fact that most school systems still had not moved towards meaningful integration, let alone equalizing of resources,

And this is at a time when images of racial injustice were beamed into their living rooms every night?
This was at a time at the height of one of the greatest freedom movements in history?

So what can be said of a people who can stare at those images deny that what they are seeing and hearing is real?

If at every point of American history, black folks have said “we have a problem,” and we have been right every time, while most whites have said all is well, and have been wrong, what would make you think that it was black folks who were suddenly misjudging the problem ? And that whites had at long last become keen observers of social reality?

Actually, the Gallup poll information you linked to doesn't go BACK to 1963.. The chart on page 7 only goes back to 1968.. Not gonna wade thru 20 pages to find your assertion about 1963, if the question you misinterpreted came from that chart.

 

[flacaltenn]

Going back 70 years to find evidence of "Racism" today.

So if you admit that there was racism back then in the 60's then how do explain the fact that most white people denied it back then ?

White people have always denied racism in every generation.

The question that was ASKED was not "Is there racism?" The question that was asked (starting in 1968, not 1963) was about the perception of EQUAL TREATMENT. Doesn't mean that folks who didn't know any better were "RACISTS".. Lots of white folks simply didn't have the experience or the ability to ANSWER such a question..