No one can demonstrate another means by which one could prove they are of legal age to buy alcohol (or a gun, or whatever) without an ID.
I, however, have asked Voter ID proponents to provide just one case of actual voter fraud which could only have been prevented or stopped by an ID. They have never been able to do so.
Thus the idiocy of the "you need an ID to buy beer" argument.
That doesn't make any sense. How would you prove it if a person with no ID voted illegally but would have voted legally with one? It's common sense that no ID enables much more opportunity for fraud just like no lD requirement for alcohol would lead to more underage drinking.
Please provide just one case of actual voter fraud which could only have been prevented or stopped by an ID.
It's common sense that no ID enables much more opportunity for fraud just like no lD requirement for alcohol would lead to more underage drinking.
And so you have ZERO evidence to support Voter ID.
Just like I said. No one has ever been able to provide an actual case of voter fraud which could only have been prevented or stopped by Voter ID.
Thus the idiocy of the "you need an ID to buy beer" apples and oranges fallacy. It can be demonstrated that there is no other way to verify age than an ID. But you have failed to demonstrate there is no other way to prevent the types of voter fraud which occur.
you are setting up a false analogy.
Nope. The bozos with the "you need an ID to buy beer" are setting up the false analogy! Apples and oranges.
IF there is no other way to prove a person's age without ID , then likewise there is no other way to prove their identity without identity.
The fact that you here stating that you trust people to take their word when they say they are who they say they are but you don't trust them to tell you how old they really are seems mighty fishy to me and speaks of partisan stupidity.
I have a feeling you have never registered to vote and then voted.
I explained in very simple terms why your fantasy voter fraud does not match reality in an earlier post.
That's why I keep asking for ACTUAL voter fraud cases in which Voter ID,
and only Voter ID, could have stopped or prevented the fraud.
If you're going to require I.D. to do something less important by law, there is no excuse for not providing some kind of I.D. when voting, and no rationale can refute it.
The truth is elections are only as honest as the people that run it. If the Democrats pull the kind of crap they've been pulling during registration drives, registering Ben Dover, Mickey Mouse, and Bertha Butt along with the rest of her sisters, then of course a photo I.D. won't stop that. Want to stop that? Don't allow just anybody to register new voters. Don't let voters file for absentee ballots unless they have established residency for a set period and all previous addresses listed and checked by a nationwide database. Any irregularities would cause a rejection and the prospective voter subjected to a full background check similar to the one you need to buy a gun. That would stop most of this in it's tracks.
mud,
mickey mouse and donald duck never got registered by the State....the state caught the phony names in the vetting process for those registering to vote....
voter fraud in numbers, has occurred through absentee ballots, and voter id, will not stop that.....voter fraud also has been heavy over the years with dead people and absentee ballots, and that can be stopped through removing the dead people from the voter rolls.....voter fraud also occurs with the people living in 2 states, and registering to vote in both, pictured voter id does not stop that fraud either.....
not many will risk going to the polls and trying to vote in another person's place, with the risk of being caught red handed right there on the spot by the real registered voter, a neighbor in line behind them that knows they are not the person they are claiming to be or by the poll worker who knows them....they will use absentee ballots....
This effort to make only government issued photo ids in order to vote is purely to keep registered voters and citizens from voting...
.it's to squash the minority vote, and for NO OTHER REASON....