As a stock market trader - One good thing about Trump being elected president

[San Souci]

The world sees Trump as very competent. To call a builder incompetent has to mean you are better at building hotels, golf courses and 500 businesses. As far as competence, he has it by ship loads.

Those who are critical of people who earn big money are incapable of earning it themselves.

 

[marvin martian]

i have been a stock market trader for 47 years. Mind you, I am talking about trading and not about investing (buy and hold) in the market.

The big traders (among them hedge funds) are traders and 70% of that trading is done through Computers and Algorithms that are strongly based on chart support and resistance levels that when reached, automatically buying (at support) and selling (at resistance) occurs.

Nonetheless, one of the big keys needed in this scenario is volatility, given that with high volatility these support and resistance levels are seen often, making "trading" very profitable.

How is this a factor in 2025? The election of Trump as the president for the next 4 years is going to bring high volatility as his approach to governing is on the extreme and that causes strong movement in a direction; By the same token, the extreme measures bring big moves when the benefits are seen but also bring big moves in the opposite direction when the consequences are seen. Adding to all of this is the fact that Trump has proven to be incompetent and that will bring the extremes to be seen a lot more often.

From that perspective and as a trader that I am (I go long and I go short), I do expect 2025 (and perhaps for the next 4 years) to be highly profitable.

Here are 2 videos to celebrate the plus of this election

You're not a stock trader, and never have been (and never will be).

 

[sparky]

I am on this every day for 12 hours a day, so you showing me this is useless.

seems it's useful to you Lucky....~S~

 

[Robert W]

"Actually Barack Obama proves my point. For a man of his age, by the Trump standards he is very poor. Has not accomplished nearly as much."

You WERE orating here. You provided no data, statistics and facts.

Do you believe that Obama is richer than Trump? Do you know how rich Obama is? Trump owns many hotels. Biden owns 2 mansions and maybe still owns one in DC.
IF you don't know that, I doubt what you call facts will persuade you.

 

[Luckyone]

Do you believe that Obama is richer than Trump? Do you know how rich Obama is? Trump owns many hotels. Biden owns 2 mansions and maybe still owns one in DC.
IF you don't know that, I doubt what you call facts will persuade you.

You mean to tell me that success is measured only in money terms?

Obama is much richer than Trump in every way except money-wise. He is a better person, a better president, more loved, more respected, better communicator, more believable, etc.

and by the way, do you actually believe that Trump has accomplished much moneywise?

I think not

Despite all of the buzz about Trump’s business acumen and wealth – particularly recently during his run for office — it is more than likely that he would have been a much wealthier man had he simply put that inherited sum into a mutual fund of S&P 500 stocks instead, then basically gone on a 40-year vacation. If Trump put the $40 million he inherited from his father in 1974 into index fund-equivalents (the first index mutual fund didn’t exist until 1976), instead of building skyscrapers and taking a chance on casinos, his wealth would have amounted to $3 billion – and without all the drama. If he put his total estimated $200 million wealth in 1982 into a hypothetical S&P 500 index fund, then simply rested on his laurels for 33 years, Trump’s fortune would have amassed to $8 billion today. Now let’s look at what would have happened if Trump had built upon the index-based strategy by simply further diversifying into index funds that track US small companies as well and also blend in International and Emerging Markets indexes; thus creating a more traditional globally diversified portfolio. By taking that one simple next step, his $40 million in 1974 would have amounted to over $10 billion by the end of 2014. Again, if he put his 1982 total of $200 million into a globally diversified portfolio, his fortune would have amassed over $14 billion today. While these figures are hypothetical and are not based on an actual portfolio of specific funds, this is still a compelling lesson in the power of global diversification.

 

[sparky]

You mean to tell me that success is measured only in money terms?

Isn't your own back pocket the reason you're applauding him Lucky?

~S~

 

[Luckyone]

seems it's useful to you Lucky....~S~

It is just that I did not need you to show it to me.

Isn't your own back pocket the reason you're applauding him Lucky?

~S~

Where on this reality could you even think that I am applauding him or that my pocketbook is important to me?

You really are lost. Your mind is not working well

 

[egp320i]

one can hope when he gets into office the market goes up because right now it's red practically every day

 

[crossbody]

You make a comment like this but you fail to back up with links to data, statistics and fact.

From every research I have done, the world DOES NOT see Trump as competent. This information is from 2020 but there is nothing that Trump has done during the past 4 years that would change anyone's mind:

How people around the world see the U.S. and Donald Trump in 10 charts​

Confidence in U.S. President Donald Trump is low, though not as low as it was shortly after he took office in 2017.

As has been the case in past surveys by the Center, Trump inspires much less confidence globally than his predecessor, Barack Obama, and he receives more negative marks than other current world leaders, such as Germany’s Angela Merkel. In addition, Trump’s foreign policies are deeply unpopular. Support for Trump and these policies abroad disproportionately comes from people on the ideological right and those who favor right-wing populist parties in Europe.

The world as in the top leaders like Trump over Biden. They do not like a Trump-Musk combination.

Neither does the federal government as they staged that Trump-Musk togetherness (hotel-Tesla) bombing as a sign of how low they will to go affect it. They are cool with Trump-Vance. It could be that Musk lacks the humble and humility of Warren Buffet. Elon Musk's bullying arrogance is ugly and annoying.

 

[The Duke]

You mean to tell me that success is measured only in money terms?

Obama is much richer than Trump in every way except money-wise. He is a better person, a better president, more loved, more respected, better communicator, more believable, etc.

and by the way, do you actually believe that Trump has accomplished much moneywise?

I think not

Despite all of the buzz about Trump’s business acumen and wealth – particularly recently during his run for office — it is more than likely that he would have been a much wealthier man had he simply put that inherited sum into a mutual fund of S&P 500 stocks instead, then basically gone on a 40-year vacation. If Trump put the $40 million he inherited from his father in 1974 into index fund-equivalents (the first index mutual fund didn’t exist until 1976), instead of building skyscrapers and taking a chance on casinos, his wealth would have amounted to $3 billion – and without all the drama. If he put his total estimated $200 million wealth in 1982 into a hypothetical S&P 500 index fund, then simply rested on his laurels for 33 years, Trump’s fortune would have amassed to $8 billion today. Now let’s look at what would have happened if Trump had built upon the index-based strategy by simply further diversifying into index funds that track US small companies as well and also blend in International and Emerging Markets indexes; thus creating a more traditional globally diversified portfolio. By taking that one simple next step, his $40 million in 1974 would have amounted to over $10 billion by the end of 2014. Again, if he put his 1982 total of $200 million into a globally diversified portfolio, his fortune would have amassed over $14 billion today. While these figures are hypothetical and are not based on an actual portfolio of specific funds, this is still a compelling lesson in the power of global diversification.

Yeah, you got your character count in with that copypasta truckload of hot garbage.
Obama is a traitor who has purposely done things to harm any and all Americans and needs to face punishment for his misdeeds.

 

[Luckyone]

The world as in the top leaders like Trump over Biden. They do not like a Trump-Musk combination.

Neither does the federal government as they staged that Trump-Musk togetherness (hotel-Tesla) bombing as a sign of how low they will to go affect it. They are cool with Trump-Vance. It could be that Musk lacks the humble and humility of Warren Buffet. Elon Musk's bullying arrogance is ugly and annoying.

You are talking for others?

 

[crossbody]

You are talking for others?

you placed a question mark on a statement

 

[Luckyone]

you placed a question mark on a statement

Yeah, you seem to be making a statement about what others think. How do you know what they think?

 

[crossbody]

Yeah, you seem to be making a statement about what others think. How do you know what they think?

Why are you so worried about who I speak for?

 

[Luckyone]

Why are you so worried about who I speak for?

I was just asking how you could STATE what other people were thinking without knowing them and interviewing them personally!

 

[crossbody]

I was just asking how you could STATE what other people were thinking without knowing them and interviewing them personally!

I can state it because I'm the boss!

recognized that.

 

[Luckyone]

I can state it because I'm the boss!

recognized that.

Oh sorry, Boss. I did not mean to compare you with Trump. The truth slipped out of me without thinking of the consequences that saying it (the truth) would bring.

 

[crossbody]

Oh sorry, Boss. I did not mean to compare you with Trump. The truth slipped out of me without thinking of the consequences that saying it (the truth) would bring.

Apology accepted, you may exit stage left at this time. I'll continue to state what I believe others are thinking

 

[Cellblock2429]

i have been a stock market trader for 47 years. Mind you, I am talking about trading and not about investing (buy and hold) in the market.

The big traders (among them hedge funds) are traders and 70% of that trading is done through Computers and Algorithms that are strongly based on chart support and resistance levels that when reached, automatically buying (at support) and selling (at resistance) occurs.

Nonetheless, one of the big keys needed in this scenario is volatility, given that with high volatility these support and resistance levels are seen often, making "trading" very profitable.

How is this a factor in 2025? The election of Trump as the president for the next 4 years is going to bring high volatility as his approach to governing is on the extreme and that causes strong movement in a direction; By the same token, the extreme measures bring big moves when the benefits are seen but also bring big moves in the opposite direction when the consequences are seen. Adding to all of this is the fact that Trump has proven to be incompetent and that will bring the extremes to be seen a lot more often.

From that perspective and as a trader that I am (I go long and I go short), I do expect 2025 (and perhaps for the next 4 years) to be highly profitable.

Here are 2 videos to celebrate the plus of this election

/—-/ I do agree on volatility. Trump is moving so fast, the media and Wall Street can’t keep up.
I own safe haven like Walmart, and option trade on AI.

 

[DBA]

You mean to tell me that success is measured only in money terms?

Obama is much richer than Trump in every way except money-wise. He is a better person, a better president, more loved, more respected, better communicator, more believable, etc.

and by the way, do you actually believe that Trump has accomplished much moneywise?

I think not

Despite all of the buzz about Trump’s business acumen and wealth – particularly recently during his run for office — it is more than likely that he would have been a much wealthier man had he simply put that inherited sum into a mutual fund of S&P 500 stocks instead, then basically gone on a 40-year vacation. If Trump put the $40 million he inherited from his father in 1974 into index fund-equivalents (the first index mutual fund didn’t exist until 1976), instead of building skyscrapers and taking a chance on casinos, his wealth would have amounted to $3 billion – and without all the drama. If he put his total estimated $200 million wealth in 1982 into a hypothetical S&P 500 index fund, then simply rested on his laurels for 33 years, Trump’s fortune would have amassed to $8 billion today. Now let’s look at what would have happened if Trump had built upon the index-based strategy by simply further diversifying into index funds that track US small companies as well and also blend in International and Emerging Markets indexes; thus creating a more traditional globally diversified portfolio. By taking that one simple next step, his $40 million in 1974 would have amounted to over $10 billion by the end of 2014. Again, if he put his 1982 total of $200 million into a globally diversified portfolio, his fortune would have amassed over $14 billion today. While these figures are hypothetical and are not based on an actual portfolio of specific funds, this is still a compelling lesson in the power of global diversification.

The same could be said for many businessman. How many have made all the right moves in the market since ~1975? Trump’s net worth is currently around 7 billion. How savvy would he have had to be to just put his money in an index fund and wait as opposed to buying and building things to amass that wealth? One could say he would have just gotten lucky with the funds. It takes a lot more work, navigating the ups and downs of the business world, to go from 40 million to 7 billion than to simply take your Edward Jones advisor’s advice and stick the money in an index fund. I bought Palantir over a year ago. I am very happy with the results, but that doesn’t make me a genius. It also doesn’t mean I would necessarily be capable of running a multi-billion dollar business empire with properties all over the world. It just means I made one informed decision that worked out well for me.