As A Conservative Hypocrisy Bothers Me On Both Sides

[BULLDOG]

u r all over the map huh bulldog....this is what happens when your brain no longer belongs to u.

I suppose that if anyone would know that, it would be you.

 

[Mac1958]

Yeah, let us know when the left stages an insurrection, starts mailing bombs to people, etc...

The Left has done plenty, including fully assisting in the rise of Trumpism.

If someone else is worse, that doesn't make the Left innocent and not in desperate need of cleaning its own house.

Deflection is one of the many behaviors shared by both ends of the spectrum.

 

[candycorn]

The Left has done plenty, including fully assisting in the rise of Trumpism.

If someone else is worse, that doesn't make the Left innocent and not in desperate need of cleaning its own house.

Deflection is one of the many behaviors shared by both ends of the spectrum.

I've always wanted to ask you;

do you think the palpable racism, xenophobia, and latent bigotry of the average conservative contributed to the rise of "Obamaism"?

 

[Mac1958]

I've always wanted to ask you;

do you think the palpable racism, xenophobia, and latent bigotry of the average conservative contributed to the rise of "Obamaism"?

Sure. Definitely. Profoundly. Historically.

 

[candycorn]

Sure. Definitely. Profoundly. Historically.

Ahh, I see.

Can you draw a line for me on how the left is responsible for Puerto Rico being called a "floating island of garbage"? You said we're responsible for Trumpism and that is pretty much the quintessential statement that sums up Trumpism if there is one.

 

[Mac1958]

Ahh, I see.

Can you draw a line for me on how the left is responsible for Puerto Rico being called a "floating island of garbage"? You said we're responsible for Trumpism and that is pretty much the quintessential statement that sums up Trumpism if there is one.

Sure.

One of the many behaviors shared by both ends of the spectrum is that they can be counted on to over-correct, overreact, over-respond. Each end gets power and then ignores the other and goes too goddamn far. So we end up normalizing stupid statements like the one you reference.

I blame that on a political system that America just doesn't care enough about to fix.

There has never been a better example of this than the person in the Oval Office right now.

 

[candycorn]

Sure.

One of the many behaviors shared by both ends of the spectrum is that they can be counted on to over-correct, overreact, over-respond. Each end gets power and then ignores the other and goes too goddamn far. So we end up normalizing stupid statements like the one you reference.

I blame that on a political system that America just doesn't care enough about to fix.

There has never been a better example of this than the person in the Oval Office right now.

So you're actually saying that they would be less racist if we on the left were more racist and met them halfway? Like if the left didn't try to codify civil rights and establish affirmative action in 1965...MLK wouldn't have been shot in 68?

 

[Mac1958]

So you're actually saying that they would be less racist if we on the left were more racist and met them halfway? Like if the left didn't try to codify civil rights and establish affirmative action in 1965...MLK wouldn't have been shot in 68?

What I'm actually saying is that I thought the movement was great and effective until the Left decided to weaponize PC and Identity Politics. I've said this a thousand times. It went from passionate advocacy to authoritarian enforcement and it pissed white America (there's still quite a few of them running around) off. And now it's GLOBAL.

I don't really have to once again burn the time listing off the various ways this was done, do I?

That created a a building resentment and massive pushback response (I talked about that a thousand times here too), and here we are.

 

[candycorn]

What I'm actually saying is that I thought the movement was great and effective until the Left decided to weaponize PC and Identity Politics. I've said this a thousand times. It went from passionate advocacy to authoritarian enforcement and it pissed white America (there's still quite a few of them running around) off. And now it's GLOBAL.

I don't really have to once again burn the time listing off the various ways this was done, do I?

That created a a building resentment and massive pushback response (I talked about that a thousand times here too), and here we are.

Our Senate is something like 90% white and pretty evenly split between D's and R's. There seems to be a lot of white democrats who get elected. Somehow they avoided being filled with resentment.

I assume you're white.

Did it build up resentment within you?

 

[Mac1958]

Our Senate is something like 90% white and pretty evenly split between D's and R's. There seems to be a lot of white democrats who get elected. Somehow they avoided being filled with resentment.

I assume you're white.

Did it build up resentment within you?

Half white, half brown. I look "white".

Yes, I didn't like being called "racist" for saying I didn't like Obamacare. I didn't like being called an "Islamphobe" because I said that Islam needs a Reformation. I didn't like being called a "Homophobe" because I felt some of their public actions went too far. I didn't like being lectured to about "toxic masculinity" simply because I have a dick.

I didn't like seeing businesses destroyed because the owners didn't want to bake a cake. I didn't like seeing people losing their jobs or having their careers destroyed because they "offended" the wrong group. I didn't like seeing American college campuses -- the last ******* bastion of free speech and open ideas -- a place where certain voices were silenced.

I didn't like seeing kids attacked for wearing the wrong thing and committing the ultimate sin of "cultural appropriation". I didn't like seeing college kids walking around like open emotional wounds that needed "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings". I didn't like seeing flamboyant transsexuals engaging with kindergarten children whether the parent knew about it or not. I didn't like seeing children get medals just for ******* showing up. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

On and on and on. Examples popping up every day, over and over and over. Yeah, THAT is what builds resentment.

I know I just wasted a bunch of time there. I'm looking at the results.

 

[candycorn]

Half white, half brown. I look "white".

Yes, I didn't like being called "racist" for saying I didn't like Obamacare. I didn't like being called an "Islamphobe" because I said that Islam needs a Reformation. I didn't like being called a "Homophobe" because I felt some of their public actions went too far.

Did anyone call you those things in person? I'd be surprised if the answer was "yes".

I didn't like seeing businesses destroyed because the owners didn't want to bake a cake. I didn't like seeing people losing their jobs or having their careers destroyed because they "offended" the wrong group. I didn't like seeing American college campuses -- the last ******* bastion of free speech and open ideas -- a place where certain voices were silenced. I didn't like seeing kids attacked for wearing the wrong thing and committing the ultimate sin of "cultural appropriation". Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Some of that stuff I agree with TBH. What was always funny to me about the left was when they tried to silence someone, it actually gave the speaker a greater platform. Emmett Till may have something to say about that if you're worried about kids getting attacked.

On and on and on. Examples popping up every day, over and over and over. Yeah, that's what builds resentment.

I know I just wasted a bunch of time there. I'm looking at the results.

And given that the "examples" now include trans-sexuals on cans of beer THAT WAS NEVER SOLD, fictional pedophile rings in the basement of a pizza shop, Jade Helm which the Governor of Texas reacted to.... the footwear of M&M characters, and fictional cat eating...you are going to sit there and with a straight face say that the right wing wouldn't have invented something to be pissed off about just to stoke the fires of their base?

They practically invented a sport of being outraged so much so a restaurant can't change their logo.

 

[Mac1958]

Did anyone call you those things in person? I'd be surprised if the answer was "yes".

Some of that stuff I agree with TBH. What was always funny to me about the left was when they tried to silence someone, it actually gave the speaker a greater platform. Emmett Till may have something to say about that if you're worried about kids getting attacked.

And given that the "examples" now include trans-sexuals on cans of beer THAT WAS NEVER SOLD, fictional pedophile rings in the basement of a pizza shop, Jade Helm which the Governor of Texas reacted to.... the footwear of M&M characters, and fictional cat eating...you are going to sit there and with a straight face say that the right wing wouldn't have invented something to be pissed off about just to stoke the fires of their base?

They practically invented a sport of being outraged so much so a restaurant can't change their logo.

I told you in detail what created the resentment. That's the answer.

You don't have to agree. I have yet to find anyone to the left of center who does.

 

[Deadstick]

You know I just can't stop thinking about the fact that as much as I support Donald Trump as our president it completely bothers me that he wants Jimmy Kimmel to remain off the air. Yes it's true that Kimmel is insensitive and I don't agree with him whatsoever, but how can we as conservatives be upset for him mocking MAGA and trying to silence his right of freedom of speech while at exactly the same time be upset that Tucker Carlson was thrown off the air for using his free speech?



Democrats, I ask you this question but in reverse. How can you be outraged for Kimmel's removal but didn't have one ounce of outrage over Tucker Carlson's? What also bothers me an awful lot from my fellow Republicans is those who can condemn assassination and attempted assassination of Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump, but cannot condemn assassination and attempted assassination of Melissa Hortman and Paul Pelosi?



Granted I never heard of Hortman and I can't stand the Pelosis, but none of that's right either. There is a difference between taking out and trying to take people who are a physical dangerous threat to us and simply just taking out somebody because you disagree with them politically.



It's not right on either side and I know that this isn't all of you and this post might cause me to be in a lot of hot water with my fellow Republicans, but if you're a Republican and you're acting this way shame on you.



Shame on you because you're no better than the democrats who act like this. You know who you are as I'm not going to mention names and I don't know any specific ones. I'm just saying that it isn't a good look for our party when we're acting exactly the way the left does and that's why they mock us for it and in that case they have every right to.

Problem is some people are full of shit, they don't have a problem with political assassinations as long as the other side is the target, same with terrorism they are against it unless it is used against the other side, eg Syria, and many other Countries, as for Trump i am against most of what he stands for, but i still call out the Democrat led Russia Russia Russia hoax which started as soon as Clinton lost the election to Trump.

 

[22lcidw]

The Left has done plenty, including fully assisting in the rise of Trumpism.

If someone else is worse, that doesn't make the Left innocent and not in desperate need of cleaning its own house.

Deflection is one of the many behaviors shared by both ends of the spectrum.

Hypocrisy does exist on both sides. It is not 50/50 though. Hollywood productions alone are one of your greatest trains of propaganda. Hollywood produced the fraud Insurrection trials.

 

[Mac-7]

Yeah, let us know when the left stages an insurrection, starts mailing bombs to people, etc...

The left is staging an insurrection every day outside ICE facilities and wherever ICE goes to do its job

 

[Mac-7]

Mac1958 at least makes an effort to be non partisan

But he was never as outspoken against obama and the dems as he is anti Trump and MAGA

If jeb bush or mitt romney were president he could more comfortably sit on the fence

Or if kamala harris were prez mac1958 could respectfully disagree with one or two of her decisions while being careful to point out repubs are bad too

Mac1958 needs stalemate so that no matter what happens he was right and everyone else was wrong

But America was not built by fence jockeys on the sidelines

It needed men who could commit to a cause and make it work

 

[candycorn]

I told you in detail what created the resentment. That's the answer.

You don't have to agree. I have yet to find anyone to the left of center who does.

I understand that you're resentful....

My question to you was whether or not you honestly believe that the right wouldn't have played the "we're under attack" card to the extent they have if the left hadn't "pushed so hard" as you put it [paraphrasing there].

I think every example points to yes; they would be exactly where they are today if the left had done nothing at all. What they fear is DEI because they think having more people in the national conversation means that they will lose out.

 

[Mac1958]

I understand that you're resentful....

My question to you was whether or not you honestly believe that the right wouldn't have played the "we're under attack" card to the extent they have if the left hadn't "pushed so hard" as you put it [paraphrasing there].

I think every example points to yes; they would be exactly where they are today if the left had done nothing at all. What they fear is DEI because they think having more people in the national conversation means that they will lose out.

I'm seeing two things from the Right, one reasonable and one unreasonable. And by the way, this applies to several issues, not just this one.

First, I think their opposition to the long list of examples I provided is fully reasonable and warranted. As I've been screaming since I joined this board in 2011, the Left's tactics were going to be counter-productive in the long run. A bad idea.

But second, it's no secret that every single concern or problem that the Right has on any issue is going to be magnified and inflated by a factor of a hundred (a thousand?) by the voices it chooses to trust. That has translated to both mania and energy.

So, to answer your question, the Right is taking advantage of this "we're under attack" thing. The Left has failed to recognize that and adjust for it, and made itself an easy target with the PC/Identity Politics thing. It didn't read the fuckin' room. Then it piled on with Cancel Culture, which has now ironically been co-opted by MAGA.

 

[beagle9]

I agree, but it's also his freedom of speech. That was my point. We can't want it for our side and fight for it on our side and then try to take it away from the left as like it or not agree with it or not it's still his first amendment right.

So you are of the opinion that both sides are equally wrong when they engage in censorship of free speech, otherwise as if there is no difference in either sides positions or opinions, I mean other than their right to express those opinions using their right to freedom of speech under the first amendment ???

Yes they have a right to freedom of speech under the first, but what about the content of the speech ? To what degrees are the sides differing in their content or opinions, and how dangerous is that content when it is being spewed on an open mic to followers that gather by the millions to be fed that content ??

Do you think that we should remedy this by way of appointing a free speech federal regulatory commision that is voted in by the majority of citizens to represent the rights along with residing over a possible blacklisting of the wrongs found in free speech that they as a majority do agree upon need to be sensored ??

Can't yell fire in a crowded theater right ?

In this world of thinking, is it possible to have a bipartisan panel/jury that could regulate free speech appropriately, otherwise by having the violator show up in court regarding cases that violate the panels set boundaries given, and for which those set boundaries will next be used as a guide for the jury of his or her peers will judge such violations when egregious violations occur ???

What's the remedy for this dilemma today ??

By the egregiousness of content, should actions be called for or taken based upon an act or should it be taken once a pattern has been established that shows a definite intent to indoctrinate or brainwash citizen's in a way that makes those citizen's dangerous to a nation because they have been led into becoming domesticated terrorist with the intent of causing maximum harm to society by way of being indoctrinated or brainwashed freely without resistance from the good side of a society ?

Let all things be done decent and in order.

Where there is no order there is chaos and confusion only. A properly run country is a country that promotes order and disipline. We have since lost both.

 

[candycorn]

I'm seeing two things from the Right, one reasonable and one unreasonable. And by the way, this applies to several issues, not just this one.

First, I think their opposition to the long list of examples I provided is fully reasonable and warranted. As I've been screaming since I joined this board in 2011, the Left's tactics were going to be counter-productive in the long run. A bad idea.

But second, it's no secret that every single concern or problem that the Right has on any issue is going to be magnified and inflated by a factor of a hundred (a thousand?) by the voices it chooses to trust. That has translated to both mania and energy.

So, to answer your question, the Right is taking advantage of this "we're under attack" thing. The Left has failed to recognize that and adjust for it, and made itself an easy target with the PC/Identity Politics thing. It didn't read the fuckin' room. Then it piled on with Cancel Culture, which has now ironically been co-opted by MAGA.

So your solution is for the left to be just as disingenuous as the right; create a "mania". No thanks.

I hear what you're saying. Aaron Sorkin via Andrew Shepherd detailed it beautifully at the end of The American President. Not surprisingly, on the small screen he answered the unasked question at the end of the movie--on the West Wing. "Our job isn't to appeal to the lowest common denominator; our job is to raise it." Whether the electorate is in the mood to listen to a discussion about taxes and deficit reduction is probably a moot question; clearly they are not. They are more interested in mythical cat eating.