The founding fathers were liberals
You could say that.
Or if you had a reason to spin it the other way, like they lose, or you hate their descendants, you could say they werer old white men who didn't want to pay for their own defense, and slave owners, and only wanted representation for rich white men, and ect. ect. ect
It is the same when discussing the Confederates or the Confederate Battle Flag.
One can, if they have a reason, like hating their descendants, call them traitors and slavers.
Or if one has a reason. like being fellow citizens with their descendants call them rebels who fought bravely to defend their homes against overwhelming odds.
Both statements are true.
THe question is one of motivation.
YOu hate the Southern Whites. You wish to marginalize them for the simple act of having pride in their history.
I look at the SOuthern whites as fellow citizens who have every right to celebrate their history the same as everyone else.
The only question is why do you hate the SOuth.
Because they are racist?
That's nonsense.
Because they do not share your ideology and tend to stand against your agenda?
That has the ring of truth to it.
Are you ready to admit that you hate the SOuth?