Article V movement

[Zincwarrior]

Which one?

There hasn't been an Article V convention, ever.

The last Constitutional Convention. Tiny states that get more than they give to the Fed should be terrified of this idea.

 

[dblack]

The majority don't always know what is best.

Pretty much never, in my experience.

The Left has ....

Ok, nevermind. This left and right shit is what keeps people frightened and ignorant.

 

[martybegan]

The last Constitutional Convention. Tiny states that get more than they give to the Fed should be terrified of this idea.

Smaller population States have the same vote regardless of their size as large States.

The first and only Constitutional Convention voted by State for Ratification.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Smaller population States have the same vote regardless of their size as large States.

The first and only Constitutional Convention voted by State for Ratification.

Now they do. You call a convention and all bets are off.

 

[martybegan]

Now they do. You call a convention and all bets are off.

The convention would be based on the rules of the original one, and again, in any event, 3/4 of the States still have to approve any proposed amendment.

 

[JWBooth]

These people pay no attention to the document as is.
Making a new one will make all the difference.
The last convention was called to tweak the Articles of Confederation and the result is what we have now.
Pfffffffffffft

 

[Zincwarrior]

The convention would be based on the rules of the original one, and again, in any event, 3/4 of the States still have to approve any proposed amendment.

Yes, you would definitely want to think that. We had a confederation before The constitution, then they decided to have a Republic.

Who knows what would happen next.

 

[Votto]

Pretty much never, in my experience.


Ok, nevermind. This left and right shit is what keeps people frightened and ignorant.

To clarify, when I say the Left, I refer to people who insist on free everything because they think they have a constitutional right to it and have not a clue about economics.

 

[Votto]

These people pay no attention to the document as is.
Making a new one will make all the difference.
The last convention was called to tweak the Articles of Confederation and the result is what we have now.
Pfffffffffffft

Good point, but not worth the try?

It is the only civil and legal way to fix the system, otherwise, you are looking at a much darker and violent fate in the future for the country.

You kids need to learn to play chess like the Chinese do, or start learning Chinese.

Of course, the Left would kill their first born to have President Xi be their President instead of Trump.....................................that's not true, the Left would kill their first born just for a free latte at Starbucks.

 

[JWBooth]

Good point, but not worth the try?

It is the only civil and legal way to fix the system, otherwise, you are looking at a much darker and violent fate in the future for the country.

It is a delusion to believe that it an article V convention would yield positive results. Darker? Absolutely. The current generation cannot start a lawnmower or drive a standard transmission, which the guardians of liberty have regulated and mandated almost out of existence. Unless you deny them access to a phone data plan they arent do any more than just be petulant. We have just seen that the guy with an incredible mandate folded over the notion of cutting the government and excoriated the only guy that wanted it.

 

[1srelluc]

The convention would be based on the rules of the original one, and again, in any event, 3/4 of the States still have to approve any proposed amendment.

Sounds like an opinion based more on hope than fact.....It's not the current 250 year old system that is the problem....It's mostly special interests and the politicians they pay off that are the problem.

 

[JWBooth]

Sounds like an opinion based more on hope than fact.....It's not the current 250 year old system that is the problem....It's mostly special interests and the politicians they pay off that are the problem.

Emphasis Mine

The same folks that will control any future convention, just like last time. Back then it was New England merchants, Southern plantation owners and speculators in Western lands, nobody was in it for altruism.

 

[martybegan]

Sounds like an opinion based more on hope than fact.....It's not the current 250 year old system that is the problem....It's mostly special interests and the politicians they pay off that are the problem.

It's based on how the only other Constitutional Convention was operated.

 

[1srelluc]

Emphasis Mine

The same folks that will control any future convention.

Yep.

 

[JWBooth]

It's based on how the only other Constitutional Convention was operated.

 

[1srelluc]

It's based on how the only other Constitutional Convention was operated.

Here in Virginia neither side wants anything to do with an Article V Convention.

 

[martybegan]

Here in Virginia neither side wants anything to do with an Article V Convention.

Considering it still takes 3/4 of the States to pass an amendment, the left should be far more afraid than the right.

 

[1srelluc]

Considering it still takes 3/4 of the States to pass an amendment, the left should be far more afraid than the right.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[martybegan]

Keep telling yourself that.

It's how the amendment is written.

Sorry, but I would rather risk things via the convention process than keep down the slow downward path we are on now.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

ONLY conservatives care about fiscal sanity. As a result, I implore everyone to not divide conservatives to join other parties like Elon is suggesting because that will only get democrats elected. Then you are faced with continual fiscal insanity, if not worse, along side of the rest of their insanity on all other issues.

Are honestly saying that T-Rumps big ugly bill is fiscal sanity??