Article on Girls Gone Wild founder

[Abbey Normal]

One thing sems pretty clear from Joe's own quotes: his claims to love women ring hollow. Joe has no real respect for women, and his chosen "profession" does nothing but reinforce that. Helicopters, islands, and jets are not enough to fill the void he must feel inside from living such a debased life.

 

[Dan]

Dan, what do you think this is? I get that you don't agree with Joe's morals. I get it. I don't think he's a saint either. I just think he's smart. He's figured out a way to spend his life partying and having fun while making money on something that dumb sluts at bars are going to do anyway. He found a loophole in life.

Nowhere on this entire thread have I compared him to Picasso or Jesus or any other great human being and said that he is a better person that they are. Your insinuation is very insulting to my intelligence. Thanks though!

Um, I think this is a message board for the purpose of discussion. I suppose I should've just replied with "Okay!" and that be the end of it? My apologies for expecting intelligent discourse.

My main issue was with you using the word 'genius'. This guy is not a genius, and I think that insults all the true geniuses of the world, past and present. This guy is a spoiled frat boy who markets the absolute easiest product to market in the world, surrounds himself with ass-kissers who tell him what a genius he is, then actively rewrites his actions whenever he's called on them.

One thing sems pretty clear from Joe's own quotes: his claims to love women ring hollow. Joe has no real respect for women, and his chosen "profession" does nothing but reinforce that. Helicopters, islands, and jets are not enough to fill the void he must feel inside from living such a debased life.

This guy loves women as much as a McDonald's fry cook loves burgers. He sees them as a product that he can exploit for his own gain, nothing more.

Once again, I don't see you flying your own helicopter out to your own island. Who's the idiot?

Do you really not see what a retarded statement this is? Money does not equal greatness or happiness, and if you think it does, then I really do feel sorry for you.

 

[Hobbit]

More money does not equal better than. Had I invented reality TV, I'd be richer than I am now. However, I would also have to shoot myself in the head...multiple times.

 

[Said1]

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There is nothing genius about making money of exploitation. As I said Any idiot can do it. Most just arent heartless enough to.

Which is the point HC is missing. We all know those girls have very little self-respect or little understanding thereof. However only a true sleeze would exploit it. Even sluts deseve to be shown respect.

 

[Avatar4321]

Dan thanks for bringing this to our attentions. I think this is something that needs to be shared with others.

Does anyone honestly think the he is the lone pornography producer that does this? I definately dont. And I think we need more people to speak out against it.

Unfortunately there are too many people addicted to the crap. its an evil that is almost impossible to overcome but if good people dont stand up to it then we will be just as guilty as the producers.

 

[USViking]

Why are so many people sticking up for a bunch of drunks?

If we were talking about a Frat Boy animal house hiring a stripper
the editorializing public would be all over them, and the stripper
would be a "victim" even if none of the little drunks laid a hand on her.

I don't condemn either of them myself, either, and I wonder if all that
many condemn themselves after they sober up.

As long as they do not make a routine habit out of it a bit of wildness
here and there doesn't seem to me to do that much harm.

As for the GGW CEO, the possible violence aside there are a lot worse
people than him to focus attention on.

 

[Joz]

It's a sad, sad day when making a lot of money in a very dishonorable manner is equated with genius......................

 

[manu1959]

joe has all the signs of a classic wife beater ..... gets all amped up ... hurts women ... buys them gifts .... says he is sorry ..... then asks for a kiss...

dude is scum.....as is anyone that thinks he is a genius watches his shit or buys it....

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Um, I think this is a message board for the purpose of discussion. I suppose I should've just replied with "Okay!" and that be the end of it? My apologies for expecting intelligent discourse.

My main issue was with you using the word 'genius'. This guy is not a genius, and I think that insults all the true geniuses of the world, past and present. This guy is a spoiled frat boy who markets the absolute easiest product to market in the world, surrounds himself with ass-kissers who tell him what a genius he is, then actively rewrites his actions whenever he's called on them.



This guy loves women as much as a McDonald's fry cook loves burgers. He sees them as a product that he can exploit for his own gain, nothing more.



Do you really not see what a retarded statement this is? Money does not equal greatness or happiness, and if you think it does, then I really do feel sorry for you.

Hey, look, back-handed insults and self-righteous moral posturing aren't going to convince me of anything or make me "see the light" from your point of view.

I haven't once excused the immorality or sleaze-ball-i-ness of Joe's business in any of the postings I've made on this thread. What I have said over and over again and the point that keeps getting smeared-over with ya'll's self-agrandizing moralizations is that Joe is richer than a Junebug in molasses and he did it by taking advantage of something easy that nobody else had done up to that point. Who'd have ever thought you could make a bazillion dollars getting girls to flash their tits--something that, up until Joe made money off of it, was and still is free. That's where the word "genius" comes in. Genius doesn't discriminate on what kind of person you are. Being a genius or having a stroke of genius isn't dependent upon your being a "good" and saintly person. It has to do with having an edge that other people don't have. It may be true that anyone can market and sell smut. But are you doing it? Am I? No. And I'm willing to bet that none of us are multimillionaires.

Oh, by the way, very clever on catching me in my "I don't see you flying a helicopter" because we're on the Internet thing. Very clever. Still doesn't change the fact that you don't own a helicopter and an island.

 

[-Cp]

Once again, I don't see you flying your own helicopter out to your own island. Who's the idiot?

Ya know, this is the 2nd time you've made a reference equating someone having a "private jet or helicopter" - that somehow makes them a "genius"...

Last I checked, Einstein didnt' have a private jet and I can guarantee he had more smarts in his little toe-nail than this twit did..

If someone goes out tomorrow and wins the Powerball and gets several hundered million does that make them somehow a "Genius" or incredibly lucky?

Do you see how obsurd your thought-process is? There is no direct connection between those who are rich and those who are smart...

I'd argue that this guy lands on the lucky side - just like the powerball winners.. He was out at Mardigras some day with a camera and started taping girls being idiots.... some schmuck prolly said "hey dude, I'll pay ya for a copy of that tape when you're done" and "bindo" - he was in business... wow... he must be a Harvard Graduate right?

GOOD LORD DUDE (or chick, or whatever you are) - check into reality here...

 

[5stringJeff]

I'm not saying he's not a good businessman. I'm saying he's a sleazy dirtball of a good businessman.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

I'm not saying he's not a good businessman. I'm saying he's a sleazy dirtball of a good businessman.

Me too.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Ya know, this is the 2nd time you've made a reference equating someone having a "private jet or helicopter" - that somehow makes them a "genius"...

Last I checked, Einstein didnt' have a private jet and I can guarantee he had more smarts in his little toe-nail than this twit did..

If someone goes out tomorrow and wins the Powerball and gets several hundered million does that make them somehow a "Genius" or incredibly lucky?

Do you see how obsurd your thought-process is? There is no direct connection between those who are rich and those who are smart...

I'd argue that this guy lands on the lucky side - just like the powerball winners.. He was out at Mardigras some day with a camera and started taping girls being idiots.... some schmuck prolly said "hey dude, I'll pay ya for a copy of that tape when you're done" and "bindo" - he was in business... wow... he must be a Harvard Graduate right?

GOOD LORD DUDE (or chick, or whatever you are) - check into reality here...

I never equated having wealth with being a genius. Ever. You're twisted mind somehow convinced itself that I did. If you'll actually read my posts instead of seeing my avatar and instantly writing me off, then maybe you'll see that I used his having a jet and an island as a proof of his riches. His riches are the result of his stroke of business genius. I think we'd all agree that having more wealth is something we'd all like to have. It only follows that we all see wealth as a good thing. Joe found an easy way to mega wealth--hence he had a stroke of genius. A stroke of genius doesn't mean that he is the same as Einstein. It means he stumbled onto an idea that made him rich or brought him some other good. Any schmuck can have a stroke of genius just like any schmuck can have a stroke of luck.

I'm going to stop short of calling you an idiot, but c'mon man. I don't really have spell-out every single little thing do I?

 

[Abbey Normal]

HC, making money off the bodies of women is the oldest profession. Nothing related to that can really be called genius.

 

[manu1959]

I never equated having wealth with being a genius. Ever. You're twisted mind somehow convinced itself that I did. If you'll actually read my posts instead of seeing my avatar and instantly writing me off, then maybe you'll see that I used his having a jet and an island as a proof of his riches. His riches are the result of his stroke of business genius. I think we'd all agree that having more wealth is something we'd all like to have. It only follows that we all see wealth as a good thing. Joe found an easy way to mega wealth--hence he had a stroke of genius. A stroke of genius doesn't mean that he is the same as Einstein. It means he stumbled onto an idea that made him rich or brought him some other good. Any schmuck can have a stroke of genius just like any schmuck can have a stroke of luck.

I'm going to stop short of calling you an idiot, but c'mon man. I don't really have spell-out every single little thing do I?

so being a successful drug dealer rates right up there for you as well.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

HC, making money off the bodies of women is the oldest profession. Nothing related to that can really be called genius.

I agree with you that what Joe does is the same as pornography and in the same class as prostitution. Figuratively, the girls on his videos are prostitutes. Where I diverge is calling what he does exactly the same as prostitution. Nobody had ever done "real world" videos like his. He saw that there is a market for taped spring break titty flashin' and he took advantage of it--Something no one else has ever done. And comparing him to a drug dealer is unfair. What Joe does is legal, unlike what Pablo Escobar did. Of course he's still a sleaze, but obviously (atleast to me) he's a smart sleaze because he's a gazillionaire. And he's not the same as a guy who won the lottery. He has built a business and an industry where there wasn't one before him.

Manu, you need to recognize shades of gray rather than just black and white.

Also, the way he advertises his videos is new. You don't see commercials for "Debbie does Dallas" coming on Comedy Central late at night. That's why he's richer than a regular pornographer. Also, do you think his huge "Girls gone wild" parties are just an excuse for him to get drunk and feel-up college girls? Ok, they're not just for that purpose. He's exposing his brand and his image. It's all pretty clever. IMO

 

[Dan]

Hey, look, back-handed insults and self-righteous moral posturing aren't going to convince me of anything or make me "see the light" from your point of view.

No, but it's more fun that way. PS, I'm not tryng to be self-righteous, one might say that your trying to push your own obsession with money down everyone else's throats and then convincing us all that we're wrong could be seen as self-righteous, but whatev.

I haven't once excused the immorality or sleaze-ball-i-ness of Joe's business in any of the postings I've made on this thread.

"This guy is a genius" sounds a lot like you praising him to me.

Genius doesn't discriminate on what kind of person you are. Being a genius or having a stroke of genius isn't dependent upon your being a "good" and saintly person.

OK, here's another example: there is a fetish now called "stomping" which is videos of nude women crushing small animals with high heels. Would you consider the first person who made one of these films a genius?

I get the impression that you think I'm a hardcore right-wing moralist, which is not the case at all. I don't really have the energy to try and fight what the guy does, and frankly I don't really care that much. My main points are: this guy is a total douche and/or mysogynist & narcissist who should not be praised and damn well shouldn't be validated with words like "genius".

And, my other point is that money does not equal genius. Believe me, you're not alone in thinking it does, but I feel more and more sorry for where humanity is headed every time I hear a statement like yours.

Oh, by the way, very clever on catching me in my "I don't see you flying a helicopter" because we're on the Internet thing. Very clever. Still doesn't change the fact that you don't own a helicopter and an island.

Yeah, that wasn't me. What was that you were saying about sweeping generalizations? Very clever, indeed.

 

[Dan]

I never equated having wealth with being a genius. Ever. You're twisted mind somehow convinced itself that I did.

Your first post in the thread....

Even if he is a royal jerk, nobody can deny that he's a genius. The guy has made millions upon millions getting girls to show him their tits.

Then....

I don't see you flying your own helicopter to your own private island. However morally-deficient you may find him to be, you can't deny that he had a stroke of genius.

and

This guy's swimming in money all because he took advantage of something that seems obvious. That's genius.

and, of course....

I just think he's smart. He's figured out a way to spend his life partying and having fun while making money on something that dumb sluts at bars are going to do anyway.

It only follows that we all see wealth as a good thing.

Um, could you leave me out of that, please? I've known plenty of rich people and plenty of poor people and believe me, there are good and bad in both. Wealth does not make you or Joe Francis or any of us a good person, and it does not equal a good thing.

For a liberal, you really seem to go head over heels for some money!

 

[Abbey Normal]

I agree with you that what Joe does is the same as pornography and in the same class as prostitution. Figuratively, the girls on his videos are prostitutes. Where I diverge is calling what he does exactly the same as prostitution. Nobody had ever done "real world" videos like his. He saw that there is a market for taped spring break titty flashin' and he took advantage of it--Something no one else has ever done. And comparing him to a drug dealer is unfair. What Joe does is legal, unlike what Pablo Escobar did. Of course he's still a sleaze, but obviously (atleast to me) he's a smart sleaze because he's a gazillionaire. And he's not the same as a guy who won the lottery. He has built a business and an industry where there wasn't one before him.

No, no, the girls aren't technically prostitutes, as I dont' think they are paid and they are not having sex. Where prostitution comes in as a rightful analogy, is that Joey boy is making money off their flesh for sexual purposes. Like a pimp. See?

 

[Hagbard Celine]

No, no, the girls aren't technically prostitutes, as I dont' think they are paid and they are not having sex. Where prostitution comes in as a rightful analogy, is that Joey boy is making money off their flesh for sexual purposes. Like a pimp. See?

They are technically prositutes because they whore themselves out for payment. Their payment is a trucker cap and a pair of panties that says "Girls Gone Wild." Anybody who sells themself out is a prostitute. I know of a lot of politicians who fall into this category.