Arizona Senate Passes Bill Allowing Business Owners To Refuse Service To Gays

[kaz]

I could care less what is fair or not. Fair has nothing to do with but I do agree it is a state's issue but the Supreme Court has ruled how many times against states denying equal access under the law striking down anti gay marriage statutes?

Interestingly my addressing that point was embedded in your quote.

The 14th amendment says the law cannot be applied differently to different people. It isn't a formula, and it doesn't say if it tugs on your heartstrings or your sense of fairness the Supreme Court can go ahead and legislate.

Gays can marry exactly the same people straights can. No more, no less. Therefore, it passes constitutional muster. Fairness and heart strings need to be taken to the legislature. If straights could marry people of the same sex or gays could not enter man/woman government marriages then you'd have an argument. However, neither is the case, gays can marry exactly the same people straights can. And no one can provide an example of the 14th being applied to a formula. Well that isn't who they WANT to marry. Fair view, take it to the legislature where it belongs.

Wrong.
Laws against interracial marriage were propped up with your phony baloney "the laws for blacks being legal to marrying only blacks is the same as the law for whites marrying only whites" same people nonsense.
Last time I heard that bogus argument I fell off my dinosaur.

You really, seriously are an idiot. There is no logical connection between black and gay over this, and you can't stop sucking the balls of leftists that this is an argument over "gay" to grasp that.

Blacks literally could not marry the same people as whites. Gays literally can marry the same people as straights. Pull your head out of Obama's crotch and focus on my argument and stop arguing from what you want me to be saying.

That means it's a job for the legislature. "It's not the same" is a job for the courts, it is the same. "It's not fair" is a job for the legislature. I don't really care about gay marriage. If you weren't such a leftist apologist you would stop arguing from your bigotry and assumption of what other people think and grasp that.

By being willing to grant the courts the power to enforce "fair," in the end there is no difference between you and the liberals you claim to not be one of because in the end what we get is the same.

So stop arguing homophobia, moron and address what I said rather than the voices in your head.

 

[Camp]

Interestingly my addressing that point was embedded in your quote.

The 14th amendment says the law cannot be applied differently to different people. It isn't a formula, and it doesn't say if it tugs on your heartstrings or your sense of fairness the Supreme Court can go ahead and legislate.

Gays can marry exactly the same people straights can. No more, no less. Therefore, it passes constitutional muster. Fairness and heart strings need to be taken to the legislature. If straights could marry people of the same sex or gays could not enter man/woman government marriages then you'd have an argument. However, neither is the case, gays can marry exactly the same people straights can. And no one can provide an example of the 14th being applied to a formula. Well that isn't who they WANT to marry. Fair view, take it to the legislature where it belongs.

Wrong.
Laws against interracial marriage were propped up with your phony baloney "the laws for blacks being legal to marrying only blacks is the same as the law for whites marrying only whites" same people nonsense.
Last time I heard that bogus argument I fell off my dinosaur.

You really, seriously are an idiot. There is no logical connection between black and gay over this, and you can't stop sucking the balls of leftists that this is an argument over "gay" to grasp that.

Blacks literally could not marry the same people as whites. Gays literally can marry the same people as straights. Pull your head out of Obama's crotch and focus on my argument and stop arguing from what you want me to be saying.

That means it's a job for the legislature. "It's not the same" is a job for the courts, it is the same. "It's not fair" is a job for the legislature. I don't really care about gay marriage. If you weren't such a leftist apologist you would stop arguing from your bigotry and assumption of what other people think and grasp that.

By being willing to grant the courts the power to enforce "fair," in the end there is no difference between you and the liberals you claim to not be one of because in the end what we get is the same.

So stop arguing homophobia, moron and address what I said rather than the voices in your head.

In order to read your comments a person is forced to read obsene and foul terms and exspressions of sexual nature. That is easily understandable to be a violation of some peoples religion, yet you insist they partake in this activity while supporting the thesis that people should not be forced into participating in activities that do not adhere to their religious beliefs. It's not as confusing as it may sound. It's called hypocracy.

 

[Silhouette]

For all the heads in the sand fools here that are too stubborn to admit they were wrong:

Governor Brewer stated that "the bill could have unintended and negative consequences".
Uh, yeah, been saying that from the start SAME AS governor of Kansas said as the bills would ALLOW ambulance and other medical personnel to DENY service to gay folks.
WELL DUH
"Senate Bill 1062 has the potential to cause more problems than it purports to solve".
Of course it would. Anyone objective to what the bill SAYS knows that.
Good to see someone is not a stubborn fool with their head in the sand.

I watched her speech two or three times last night. As the second and third time rolled by I noticed that she seemed to be saying instead "this Bill I would've signed if they had more properly delineated an instance where a christian was aked to participate in enabling or promoting a gay wedding". If it was narrowed down to just that, I believe she would've signed it.

Actually, her words were wise and so was her veto because if she had signed it into law, the blind outrage and blind support for the cult of LGBT getting "married" might have tipped the scales on the SCOTUS case pending of Harvey Milk vs Utah.

As they say, "now is not the time". I got that as the bottom line in her decision to veto...along with her assurances to christians between the lines 'don't worry folks, this ain't over yet...'

 

[Howey]

It's time the silent MAJORITY get with the push back... BOYCOTT THE NFL.

BECAUSE OF ONE GAY FOOTBALL PLAYER, P*****? REALLY?????

MAN, THE HOMO'S MUST REALLY BE GETTING TO YOU GUYS!

 

[Moonglow]

The single most interesting thing about this thread is how all the people who claim they are tolerant are willing to lie about something just to prove how tolerant they are.

Liar!!

 

[Faun]

Interestingly my addressing that point was embedded in your quote.

The 14th amendment says the law cannot be applied differently to different people. It isn't a formula, and it doesn't say if it tugs on your heartstrings or your sense of fairness the Supreme Court can go ahead and legislate.

Gays can marry exactly the same people straights can. No more, no less. Therefore, it passes constitutional muster. Fairness and heart strings need to be taken to the legislature. If straights could marry people of the same sex or gays could not enter man/woman government marriages then you'd have an argument. However, neither is the case, gays can marry exactly the same people straights can. And no one can provide an example of the 14th being applied to a formula. Well that isn't who they WANT to marry. Fair view, take it to the legislature where it belongs.

Wrong.
Laws against interracial marriage were propped up with your phony baloney "the laws for blacks being legal to marrying only blacks is the same as the law for whites marrying only whites" same people nonsense.
Last time I heard that bogus argument I fell off my dinosaur.

You really, seriously are an idiot. There is no logical connection between black and gay over this, and you can't stop sucking the balls of leftists that this is an argument over "gay" to grasp that.

Blacks literally could not marry the same people as whites. Gays literally can marry the same people as straights. Pull your head out of Obama's crotch and focus on my argument and stop arguing from what you want me to be saying.

That means it's a job for the legislature. "It's not the same" is a job for the courts, it is the same. "It's not fair" is a job for the legislature. I don't really care about gay marriage. If you weren't such a leftist apologist you would stop arguing from your bigotry and assumption of what other people think and grasp that.

By being willing to grant the courts the power to enforce "fair," in the end there is no difference between you and the liberals you claim to not be one of because in the end what we get is the same.

So stop arguing homophobia, moron and address what I said rather than the voices in your head.

Gays can marry the same people as straight people? Straight people get to marry the person they fall in love with. I don't see where gay people get to do that?

 

[Howey]

I'm sure the NFL is going to miss the cost of P*****007's $4 bag of peanuts every Sunday.

 

[Moonglow]

It's time the silent MAJORITY get with the push back... BOYCOTT THE NFL.

BECAUSE OF ONE GAY FOOTBALL PLAYER, P*****? REALLY?????

MAN, THE HOMO'S MUST REALLY BE GETTING TO YOU GUYS!

They just can't get those thought's out of their mind they have repressed from their experimental stage during life's sexual awareness.

 

[paperview]

Wrong.
Laws against interracial marriage were propped up with your phony baloney "the laws for blacks being legal to marrying only blacks is the same as the law for whites marrying only whites" same people nonsense.
Last time I heard that bogus argument I fell off my dinosaur.

You really, seriously are an idiot. There is no logical connection between black and gay over this, and you can't stop sucking the balls of leftists that this is an argument over "gay" to grasp that.

Blacks literally could not marry the same people as whites. Gays literally can marry the same people as straights. Pull your head out of Obama's crotch and focus on my argument and stop arguing from what you want me to be saying.

That means it's a job for the legislature. "It's not the same" is a job for the courts, it is the same. "It's not fair" is a job for the legislature. I don't really care about gay marriage. If you weren't such a leftist apologist you would stop arguing from your bigotry and assumption of what other people think and grasp that.

By being willing to grant the courts the power to enforce "fair," in the end there is no difference between you and the liberals you claim to not be one of because in the end what we get is the same.

So stop arguing homophobia, moron and address what I said rather than the voices in your head.

Gays can marry the same people as straight people? Straight people get to marry the person they fall in love with. I don't see where gay people get to do that?

Whenever I see that idiotic statement, or some form of -- gays men can marry a woman, just like straight people can -- I think of this sign:

 

[Silhouette]

Gays can marry the same people as straight people? Straight people get to marry the person they fall in love with. I don't see where gay people get to do that?

Polygamists, minors, siblings and adult/adult children don't get to marry who they fall in love with either. They can do something else, but society tells them they cannot sully the word "marriage" with their peculiar behaviors. Society defines marriage, not the strange combinations that society doesn't approve of.

 

[Faun]

Gays can marry the same people as straight people? Straight people get to marry the person they fall in love with. I don't see where gay people get to do that?

Polygamists, minors, siblings and adult/adult children don't get to marry who they fall in love with either. They can do something else, but society tells them they cannot sully the word "marriage" with their peculiar behaviors. Society defines marriage, not the strange combinations that society doesn't approve of.

Anti-polygamy laws are not based on gender. Incest is illegal. So those examples are not the same as same-sex marriage.

Same-sex marriage is based on gender.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Optimizing profits means avoiding controversy. The NFL has no interest in being perceived as anti gay therefore they will relocate the Superbowl elsewhere.

The NFL no interest in being perceived as anti gay ? Why not ? Sounds like a perfectly reasonable thing to me.

There is nothing reasonable about bigotry like yours.

Finally, you and I agree on something.

 

[paperview]

Gays can marry the same people as straight people? Straight people get to marry the person they fall in love with. I don't see where gay people get to do that?

Polygamists, minors, siblings and adult/adult children don't get to marry who they fall in love with either. They can do something else, but society tells them they cannot sully the word "marriage" with their peculiar behaviors. Society defines marriage, not the strange combinations that society doesn't approve of.

Anti-polygamy laws are not based on gender. Incest is illegal. So those examples are not the same as same-sex marriage.

Same-sex marriage is based on gender.

Not to mention the idiot Sil doesn't seem to understand the concept of consenting adults.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I guess Arizona really wanted that superbowl?

The bill was poorly written and could not pass Title VII provisions.

 

[Silhouette]

Gays can marry the same people as straight people? Straight people get to marry the person they fall in love with. I don't see where gay people get to do that?

Polygamists, minors, siblings and adult/adult children don't get to marry who they fall in love with either. They can do something else, but society tells them they cannot sully the word "marriage" with their peculiar behaviors. Society defines marriage, not the strange combinations that society doesn't approve of.

Anti-polygamy laws are not based on gender. Incest is illegal. So those examples are not the same as same-sex marriage.

Same-sex marriage is based on gender.

Anti-polygamy laws are based on what then? "Ickyness"? Please do explain. Incest between two consenting adults is not illegal. And if it is illegal, why is that? "Ickyness"? Please do explain.

 

[Faun]

Polygamists, minors, siblings and adult/adult children don't get to marry who they fall in love with either. They can do something else, but society tells them they cannot sully the word "marriage" with their peculiar behaviors. Society defines marriage, not the strange combinations that society doesn't approve of.

Anti-polygamy laws are not based on gender. Incest is illegal. So those examples are not the same as same-sex marriage.

Same-sex marriage is based on gender.

Anti-polygamy laws are based on what then? "Ickyness"? Please do explain. Incest between two consenting adults is not illegal.

They're based on marriage being between more than 2 people. Gender has nothing to do with it. Whereas anti same-sex marriage discriminates based on gender.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Cancelling those plans to visit Arizona. Too bad. Maybe I'll go to Utah instead... depends of course.

This boycott thing and pressure can work both ways.

Yes, I know I'M feeling distressed and panicked because you're not coming here.

Oh, wait, I'm not. Feel free to consider yourself unwanted.

 

[kaz]

Wrong.
Laws against interracial marriage were propped up with your phony baloney "the laws for blacks being legal to marrying only blacks is the same as the law for whites marrying only whites" same people nonsense.
Last time I heard that bogus argument I fell off my dinosaur.

You really, seriously are an idiot. There is no logical connection between black and gay over this, and you can't stop sucking the balls of leftists that this is an argument over "gay" to grasp that.

Blacks literally could not marry the same people as whites. Gays literally can marry the same people as straights. Pull your head out of Obama's crotch and focus on my argument and stop arguing from what you want me to be saying.

That means it's a job for the legislature. "It's not the same" is a job for the courts, it is the same. "It's not fair" is a job for the legislature. I don't really care about gay marriage. If you weren't such a leftist apologist you would stop arguing from your bigotry and assumption of what other people think and grasp that.

By being willing to grant the courts the power to enforce "fair," in the end there is no difference between you and the liberals you claim to not be one of because in the end what we get is the same.

So stop arguing homophobia, moron and address what I said rather than the voices in your head.

In order to read your comments a person is forced to read obsene and foul terms and exspressions of sexual nature. That is easily understandable to be a violation of some peoples religion, yet you insist they partake in this activity while supporting the thesis that people should not be forced into participating in activities that do not adhere to their religious beliefs. It's not as confusing as it may sound. It's called hypocracy.

Right, when people keep telling me that if I want the courts to follow the law that I am a homophobe, that's hunky dory with you. If I insult them back, you consider that hypocrisy. You are silent on the former, and only speak up on the latter. The hypocrisy is yours. No one should force anyone to do business with anyone. When government does it, it's immoral.

And no one is forcing you to do anything. I addressed the post and it was on topic for the thread. If you don't know the rules, read them. If you don't like the rules, go somewhere else.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Wrong.
Laws against interracial marriage were propped up with your phony baloney "the laws for blacks being legal to marrying only blacks is the same as the law for whites marrying only whites" same people nonsense.
Last time I heard that bogus argument I fell off my dinosaur.

You really, seriously are an idiot. There is no logical connection between black and gay over this, and you can't stop sucking the balls of leftists that this is an argument over "gay" to grasp that.

Blacks literally could not marry the same people as whites. Gays literally can marry the same people as straights. Pull your head out of Obama's crotch and focus on my argument and stop arguing from what you want me to be saying.

That means it's a job for the legislature. "It's not the same" is a job for the courts, it is the same. "It's not fair" is a job for the legislature. I don't really care about gay marriage. If you weren't such a leftist apologist you would stop arguing from your bigotry and assumption of what other people think and grasp that.

By being willing to grant the courts the power to enforce "fair," in the end there is no difference between you and the liberals you claim to not be one of because in the end what we get is the same.

So stop arguing homophobia, moron and address what I said rather than the voices in your head.

In order to read your comments a person is forced to read obsene and foul terms and exspressions of sexual nature. That is easily understandable to be a violation of some peoples religion, yet you insist they partake in this activity while supporting the thesis that people should not be forced into participating in activities that do not adhere to their religious beliefs. It's not as confusing as it may sound. It's called hypocracy.

Oh, someone's holding a gun to your head, "forcing" you to read this, are they? You don't have the free choice to skip those posts, put him on ignore, or go find some message board where everyone talks nice so as not to offend your kindergarten sensibilities?

You wouldn't know "hypocracy [sic]" if it crawled up your pants leg and bit you on the left ass cheek.

 

[Uncensored2008]

They're based on marriage being between more than 2 people. Gender has nothing to do with it. Whereas anti same-sex marriage discriminates based on gender.

Who are you to tell other people who they can love?

....................

Actually, Islam supports polygamy - ergo the democratic party supports polygamy.

And SURPRISE...

{A federal judge's decision to strike down a key part of Utah's ban on polygamy over the weekend came as welcome news to Joe Darger.}

Judge Softens Utah's Anti-Polygamy Law To Mixed Reactions : NPR